The Resistance: Mission 1 (Leader beastcharizard)

[Mitillos]

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I believe the confusion arose from your bullets in post #1.

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Hello all.

I will most likely vote to accept any team, for the first phase.

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Don't put Blackberry on any missions.

Put the most vocal three on the first mission imo

Contradiction. BBmolla is mafia, and needs to be lynched.

Damn, ninja'd.

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I did mean that Blackberry had been vocal. It was a joke.

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@Wisdom: Eh, Blackberry managed to appear 100% town whilst being scum before. Of course, that was because a townie had lied, screwing everything up. Yes, I'm still somewhat bitter about the "Plotting the Caper" game.

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@Blackberry: It's one of the transference fallacies. It assumes that the specific implies the general.

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@beast: Again, that was a joke (like Wisdom just said). I'm actually perfectly happy with Molla going on the mission, and actually have a slight townread on him.

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So many actuallies.

Also, even if people perceived one of Molla and Berry as being scum, you wouldn't want to put both of them on a mission. If it fails, and people are divided on which of the two is scum, then it will be hard to send either on a mission again, which is bad, unless both are scum. So, you wanting to go with them just makes you look scummy instead, in the sense that you want to hide yourself amongst two people you claim are being suspected by others.

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Thoughts so far:

Aronis appears to be too non-committal. Could go either way here.

Mostly null on BBMolla. The fact that he knew the number of scum bothered me at first, but then I realised that this is probably just knowledge of the game itself. Other than that, nothing caught my interest so far.

I already gave some thoughts on beast earlier, and so have a few others. I think he might be scum.

BPC looks good, nothing bothering me there. He's engaging people and giving reads on them. I think I'd like to see him on the mission.

Blackberry is making me paranoid. I know he is perfectly capable of appearing to be town as scum, and making a valid analysis of a given situation, and that's what he's doing right now. On the other hand, he appears to be town, and his analysis on things (e.g. beast, probabilities) was valid. This is very aggravating.

Titus hasn't really said much, and is looking like a lurker. On the other hand, the things she has said look alright, so I'll call her null-town.

Wisdom is another one that makes me paranoid, for two reasons. 1) He is townreading me, and I don't much care for a Wisdom who isn't 100% suspicious of everyone all the time, since that's how he usually is. 2) I have never scumread Wisdom, and that always worries me, because it probably means he's really good at looking town, at least to me. On the other hand, I have not yet seen Wisdom actually have a scum role, as far as I can remember, in the games we played or I read. He needs to be sorted out post-haste, just like BlackBerry.

If we want the first mission to be a success, I would currently recommend a team from {me, BPC, Titus, one of {Aronis, Molla}}. If we want to just use it for information and don't care about the outcome, I suppose any team would be fine.

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@Molla: You may have been transparent, but nothing you had said particularly swayed me into reading you one way or the other, except briefly. It's like Vetinari's thing about his motives being completely transparent, in Discworld: Does it mean that you can see right through them, or that you can't see them? Anyway, you're not particularly transparent. I only see an explanation for your early beast read. Why did you change your mind about him and are townreading him now? Why are Aronis and Titus scum? Why are Blackberry and I town? Is your third scum choice (one of BPC/Wisdom) due to PoE, or what?

@Titus: Yes, you are currently looking like a lurker to me. You haven't said much yet, and the stuff you said was mostly about very general things (e.g. activity not being alignment-indicative and scumhunting until Saturday), rather than about the players in this specific game. Valid things to say, mind you, which is why I think you look more like lurking town, than lurking scum. It doesn't mean you will continue to look like a lurker. It could be due to the fact that it's still early in the game. As for where you are at, I only see your Aronis and beast reads, and I'd like to see your reasoning behind them, as well as others you might have.

p-edit: ALL OF THE EBWOPS

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@Molla: Scum could pretend to not know how many scum there are, even if the number had been posted by the mod, let alone in this case. Besides, he claimed that we didn't know how many scum there were, so presumably this is the same as claiming he carefully looked at what Thur said. But then, why would he say that 1 scum is "unlikely but possible"? It was actually impossible, because mission 4 requires 2 fails, something that Thur did say. If there's only one scum, that phase is meaningless.

Anyway, we already talked about this, because Blackberry asked: That is a transference fallacy; just because you (claim that you) wouldn't do that, doesn't mean others wouldn't. Nor that they'd feel like a douche by doing it. In no way does it make beast town.

What about your other reads?

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@Aronis: Some explanations for your reads would be welcome (plus some more reads). I can only see a bit about your BBMolla read. Why is BPC town? Also, you're kinda hedging on beast. It's unclear whether you think he's town or scum. Which is it, and why?

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@Molla: Are you saying you will also reject beast's team? Otherwise, why would you ask to move to the next leader? And if so, what happened to your beast townread? Also, you still haven't answered some of my other questions:

Why are Aronis and Titus scum? Why are Blackberry and I town? Is your third scum choice (one of BPC/Wisdom) due to PoE, or what?

@Aronis: OK, so you won't give other reads, but at least explain the BPC and molla ones. "BPC feels pretty town" is not an explanation as to why you are townreading him, just a statement of the fact that you are doing so. Also, what do you think about beast's suggested team in post 130?

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@Berry: Why would that make Molla town? Why would Titus/Aronis/BPC contain exactly one scum? I'm not following this at all.

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Why does he want only one scum? I understand why he would want one in there, but why would he mind there being two?

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Actually, yeah, I did think that scum had at least had pre-game communication, if not full communication.

If that's not true, then I can understand your reasoning.

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Alright, so Blackberry's analysis makes sense (unless beast didn't think things through, or he is town).

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@Titus: Faking what?

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I did not jump to beast-town. I said that Berry's analysis is correct, except if beast didn't realise that he should be trying to get only one scum on a mission, or if he's town. I don't think he's town, but I'm not going to discount it as a possibility.

And I still don't get what you mean by "beast faking that". Please restate your question more clearly.

Also, now that I think about it, it's entirely possible that beast is scum, did think of the stuff Berry said, and went the WIFOM route, because people were attacking him.

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Who's she?

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Oh, well.

Agents were Titus, Wisdom, and I.

Damn, Blackberry. Even with the wrong assumption, you were close.