Micro 449: One Night Ultimate Werewolf (Game Over!)

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RQS:
So. Who all played before?
I've played with the Tanner and Drunk added in.

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What is the point of this exactly sns?

The point of my question?
Knowledge.

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And what purpose does this knowledge servw?

Tsk tsk. Knowledge is a powerful thing in this game.

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sns stop dodging. How is knowing if we've played the card game going to affect your reads?

If I told you that, then it wouldn't affect my reads since you could just counter it.
Anyways, RVS is over move on.

I'm a PR but will only claim after the Robber fully claims.

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Massclaim would be the optimal strategy.

This.

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But now it's a matter of who claims when.

This game is imo more or less a crap shoot.

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vonflare may as well just start a popcorn, that also locks our actual PRs in to result

I prefer this.

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Seer

popcorn

ika

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Could be a trap. Shhh.

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Waiting for IKA to claim

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I will use this for a guide as the game progresses.

Werewolf:
Werewolf:
Minion:
Hunter:
Seer: snscompt1(suck it)
Troublemaker:
Robber:
Villager:
Villager:
Villager:

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And thats a bad thing? Pfft. lame.

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Sounds like CoD when playing Search and Destroy.

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Action Dan hasnt claimed yet.

NM, do you mean that you started as the Seer? Or were you stating that you are NOW the Seer?

And why asking him to look in the middle?

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Okey dokey.
As soon as Dan claims, I will reveal what I know about the night.

Not Mafia can claim first or second, it doesnt make a difference to me.

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I looked at the center two cards. A and B to be precise. Three people have claimed impossible roles.

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I could say more and out these people, but Im not sure what switcharoos happened during the night and want to see what others have to say.

If town lied to get a werewolf cornered, I dont want to out them and then us vote them only to lose.

So id like the trouble maker to claim.

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Interesting. I was going to call you the Minion. Assuming its in the game. You keep beating me to the punch. Props.

I was going to suggest this because unlike your claim, mine can be proven later.

I thought you claimed Seer to get caught. We have a huge fight. People eventually side with me and then you die. All a smokescreen. but now you suggest nearly the same case against me, Im not so sure. unlike me, you ARE a ballsy player.

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Oh and since its kinda obvious, I saw a villager and hunter as Dan said. A and B respectively.

So far Ive concluded that:

No hunter. Obv.
At least 1 Villager is lying.
There are at least 2 enemy players in this game.
At least 1 of the enemy players is a werewolf.

pedit. Actually, I would like to know who Dan swapped with before the troublemaker.

Pedit2. proven by Dan unclaiming as Hunter. also, throwing salt at me doesnt work.

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Also, unless Vett was just "ballsy" I believe he is proven town no matter what.

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And? If youve got a point please do tell. Otherwise Im ignoring you since all youll add is rubbish. Btw, if you look at Action Dans hypo statements, he said he wouldve swapped with you. I now believe you to be the Robber and Dan to be the Minion.

Might want to rethink helping the werewolves.

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*shrug* I hope you play to your win condition then. I have a feeling you will lose either way.

A) Lock himself into what? Being a minion? Because thats how being a Robber works?

B) Sided with me because he knew that I caught him lying. Now whether he is still town has yet to be decided.

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WIFOM.

Though I agree. Thanks for pointing that out. So youre still a baddy until trouble maker claims. after action dan of course.

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I know for sure NM was bad, but not sure on his role. Its quite possible hes a werewolf and simply trying to act like a minion. If thats the case then there is only one werewolf in the game most likely.

Anyways, I was told exactly which card was which. A was the Villager and B was Hunter.

Just need the troublemaker to claim.

Pedit. Well wow. Okay. this sucks. Ish.

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Im glad he didnt lol.

Alright. So, Vettrock is town(unless scum is gutsy and claimed TM). One of the Dan is back to normal, so hes town. Ika is town still Dan? Assuming so.

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Werewolf:
Werewolf:
Minion:
Hunter: Card B
Seer: snscompt1(looked at AB)
Troublemaker:vettrock
Robber:ActionDan (second claim)
Villager:fuzzy
Villager:ika
Villager:vonflare
Villager:Card A

So unless we have new information I think we should vote fuzzy. I doubt that NM would have had Vonflare claim first if he was a Werewolf. Could be to throw us off, but wifom.

Going to vote fuzzy

Vote: Nightfall

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Damn it man. I can never read you.

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Right. But what happens IF they were to get caught and proven not to be the real Seer? We lynch them. Werewolf I dont' think would take this route. Minion on the other hand would be able to divert attention away from the real Werewolf and be a sacrifice.

Now, assuming you're town as I think you're going to argue that way, who is scum? One of the three Villagers has to be scum. If not you, then whom?

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To prevent the confusion that Im assuming youre town.

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Right. But what happens IF they were to get caught and proven not to be the real Seer? We lynch them. Werewolf I dont' think would take this route. Minion on the other hand would be able to divert attention away from the real Werewolf and be a sacrifice.

Now, assuming you're town as I think you're going to argue that way, who is scum? One of the three Villagers has to be scum. If not you, then whom?

How would it be possible for them to get caught though? Like, is that possible?

And what makes it guaranteed that one of the villagers is scum? How can you guarantee that it's not one of the seers? or anyone else for that matter? Because the only reasons I've seen so far involve a shit ton of wifom and guessing.

as for who scum is, I'd personally look in the seer claims; but that's just me.

You did read the thread right? I know you havent played before but jeez. All of this has been explained.

Can everyone agree to just lynch him?

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Im sorry. Sort of. That was rude. Im tired.

Yes, its possible to get caught when lying. Obviously. If the Seer claims two roles from the center that two townies have, obviously more people will believe the two rather than one. Especially if the seer has a counterclaim.

One of the Seers is scum. Obviously. There can be at most 1. Both Seers have claimed to seen a Villager in the middle. since there are three villager claims and only three villagers in the game max, one is lying or both seers are scum. The later is not true for many reasons.Should be clear.

As for the wifom. Thats what half this game is. No joke. The blind switching is screwy. Some games its actually impossible to logically figure out who is scum.

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Vote Fuzzy and we win.

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lol. Someone else try explaining. He doesnt get this game. Or hes scum. I think hes scum.

I like how he's super defensive. Hes trying to get us to lynch one of the claimed Seers. Odds are, the claimed Seer(Not Mafia) is a minion. If we kill the minion, we lose.

Both Seers claimed to see a Villager in the middle. Ergo, only 2 Villagers exist in the game. Three people claimed Villager.

Not Mafia is scum. Period. 100% from my pov. Given that and actiondans claim, how ika is a villager, that leaves fuzzy and vonflare as the remaining possible scum.

Given Not Mafia is scum, he started off the popcorn by letting Vonflare go first.
Regardless if he is the minion or werewolf, having your partner claim first is bad. its easier to be caught and you can get counterclaimed easier.
its very possible Im wrong and vonflare is scum. This is where the game is hard to figure out. Complete wifom.

so since NM picked Vonflare to go first, odds are he isnt the partner. Therefore fuzzy is left.

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Totally fine with lynching Fuzzy. NM is just playing it cool.

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HURT: Fuzzybutternut

Random Hurting Stage go!

Huh. Not sure what to make of this. Weird.

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Doesn't seem like NM though. But ah well. That's where we get into WIFOM and such. Either we vote Fuzzy and win or we vote Fuzzy and lose. *shrug*

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wifom. Thats how one night ultimate werewolf works at this stage.

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EVERYONE VOTE N_M

AT LEAST A 50/50 SHOT

Fuzzy is more like ~25%

Mind explaining this and how you arrived at these numbers?

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*sigh* I wanted him to explain for a reason.

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Basically Im either voting Fuzzy. The end.

NM-50/50 shot. Yes. He is scum, however very inclined to believe he is a minion.
Vonflare- Possible candidate but NM had him roleclaim first. Weird seeing how claiming later would be more beneficial.
Fuzzy-NM did a rvs vote on him first post. Couldve been trying to signal that he was a minion since werewolves dont know who the minion is.

Since one of the villagers HAS to be scum, and it doesnt seem to be Vonflare otherwise he would be fine with us lynching Fuzzy, it must be Fuzzy.

So we have 2 scum. Both might be werewolves. Doubtful.
Lets assume the worst and we have a Minion and Werewolf.
Both are a 50/50 shot. If there is only one Werewolf in the game, they get to look at a card in the middle. NM got card B wrong however, his card C prediction would be correct. This leans towards NM being a werewolf.

Everything else, and I mean literally all the Wifom and various reasons, points to Fuzzy being the werewolf.
if NM is the werewolf, then he wouldnt know who the minion is. But his random vote on fuzzy discourages this idea.


Vote fuzzy. We have a 50/50 shot at winning. Vote NM we have a 50/50 shot at winning.

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Fuzzy and Vonflare, would you please vote Nightfall. No more discussion is really going to happen. So we could drag it out til the end of the week but let's not.

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Do what you want. I'm not. Nor is anyone else as far as I can tell. So go for it.

pedit: yup.

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It's vote Fuzzy.

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why is fuzzy better than N_M?

there are limited potions:

NM is warewolf, FUZ is warewolf

NM is warewolf, FUZ is minion

NM is minion, FUZ is warewolf

NM is warewolf, FUZ is town

NM is minion, FUZ is town

NM is obviously the better option, becuase NM is confscum, fuzzy is probscum.

Ahem. One villager is scum. It is not ika, as action dan confirmed this. Therefore it is either you or fuzzy. So if youre arguing that Fuzzy could be town, then youre scum. Just give it a mull over.

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At what point did I become confscum?

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Fuzzy hasnt' logged in since Tuesday and discussion is done, so see you guys next week.

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Hey Titus, welcome! NM is scum. However there is at least one more baddie. Im under the assumption there are only two as that would make the most sense. The only possible scum besides you is Vonflare. Is there any reason why you think NM is the werewolf compared to Vonflare?

Ive already made arguments as to why I think your slot is scum compared to Vonflare.

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Sold. Titus, please vote nightfall.

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It was a joke lol.

How would the werewolf know he had a minion?

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Eh, why did he have no choice?

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And couldnt just claim Villager? Early in mass claim would make me more willing NOT to claim a role in case of CC and proven scum. If proven scum, he gets voted. Ergo the werewolf woupdnt want to do this, but rather the minion.

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Its what I do best.

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That entire argument is wifom if we were to have it. A lot of this game is wifom. Either we win or we dont.

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Then by all means, please proceed.

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On mobile. Will respond tomorrow.

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Amen.

Back now and will read.

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Ok, so I started to quote everything and respond, but then I realized that I'm wasting my time. I'm voting Titus.

There is an off chance that NM is actually the werewolf, in which case well played.

And there is an even further off chance that Vonflare and NM are the scum team. This is what my gut is telling me. However, all other logic points to Titus scum.

See you guys at the deadline.

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lol

i want to vote NM

ive been saying it all game

its titus and NM
or actiondan and NM

either way, its NM

(sns is town by play)

I can prove AD is town if you'd like. But yes, NM is scum. I simply disagree that he's the werewolf. If NM is the werewolf, why did he vote his buddy in his first post?

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Scenario 1:
AD swaps with Ika(scum). AD is now scum, Ika is town.
Vettrock switches the two back. AD is now town, Ika is now scum.
Ergo, AD is now on town side and fighting for a town wincon. But he claims that Ika is town. Therefore this scenario is impossible.

Scenario 2:
AD swaps with Ika(town). AD is now town. Ika is town.
Vettrock switches the two back. AD is now town. Ika is town.
This is totally plausible.

Scenario 3:
AD swaps with SOMEONE(scum). AD is now scum. Someone is now town(they don't know).
Vettrock switches AD and Ika. AD is now town(1/6 chance he's still scum). He would come forth and say who is scum since he most likely isn't anymore. He didn't. End of story. Ika, AD, Vettrock are all town. 4 left. Me, Titus, NM, and Vonflare. I'm town. NM is scum. That leaves Titus and Vonfare as the remaining possible partners.

So going off pure Wifom, Vonflare is town and Titus is scum.

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Voting Nightfall isn't gamethrowing. You have no control over what everyone does for voting. You could say that since you voted nightfall, we would second guess ourselves and vote NM or someone.

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Everyone knows Titus is minion at this point so can we end this please

lol. the fake slip

Or a fake fake slip

Who knows with this guy.

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I think shes claiming scum because she forgot she claimed VT.

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Well gun to head, who is/are his partner/partners titus?

NM and Vettock

Right. And you said these two were scum.

There are only 2 Villagers in this setup. We have 3 villager claims. See where I'm going?

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Well gun to head, who is/are his partner/partners titus?

NM and Vettock

Right. And you said these two were scum.

There are only 2 Villagers in this setup. We have 3 villager claims. See where I'm going?

Well yeah one of the villagers had to have rolled scum. I don't know which originally but my point is AD stole that one so moot point as to which one was originally scum.

So you're saying we have 3 scum?

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Wanna do riddles? I only know a few.
Three men walk into a hotel late at night.
They tell the manager they want to rent a room.
The manager replies saying that the room will cost $30.
Each man pays $10 and go up to their room.
The manager then realizes that he made a mistake! The room only was supposed to cost $25.
So the manager gives the bellhop(a bellhop at a hotel that has rooms for $30? wow) $5 and tells him to slit it between the three men.
On his way up to the room, the bell hop realizes he cant split the $5 evenly.
So he gives each man $1 and keeps the remaining $2 for himself.

So each man paid $9 since they got $1 back. And the bellhop kept $2 for himself. 9x3 is $27 +$2=$29. What happened to the extra dollar?

Works better when spoken.

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Am I dead?

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Three men are taken captive by a wizard. The wizard offers them one chance to live before he will execute them.
He takes the three men to a staircase and has one stand at the bottom, one in the middle and one at the top. All are facing the same direction, down the stairs.
The wizard then says:
"In my hands I have 2 red hats and 2 blue hats. I will randomly put a hat on each of you. In order for you to live, one of you must tell me the color of your hat. If you're right, I will let you all go. If not, I will kill you. No guessing, I will be able to tell. You may not turn around, cheat, take off your hat, or communicate with anyone in any way."
The men agree and close their eyes. The wizard puts a hat on each of them and says "You have 5 seconds to tell me your color hat"
5...
4...
3...
2...
And then the man in the middle shouts out his hat color and the wizard lets them go. How did he know?

Pedit: White. Lives at the North pole.

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Explain thus:

MILL1ION

Uh. 1 in a million?

A man moves in to a new town and there are 2 dentists, one has perfect teeth and the other has horrible teeth. He decides to go to the one with horrible teeth, why?

Because the one with good teeth went to the dentist with bad teeth.

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All y'all ninjas.

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https://xkcd.com/blue_eyes.html

I never got this one, until I had someone explain it to me. Kudos if you figure it out. I approached it wrong.

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1. Take out the entire drawer. #winning

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Psst. Vett. It's 3.
White white white
white white black
white black white
white black black
black white white
black black white
black white black
black black black

All have a pair.
Or do what I did and take them all out at once.

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Also, I'm out of riddles. I don't know too many.

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If the scum team happens to be Vonflare and NM and we are wrong, I would really like to know your thought process post game.

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Got the first two but the rest are tricky. Hm.

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Woot. Wifom wins.

I like the game, but there is a lot of guesswork involved.
It should be a one week limit. After all, the game irl only lasts around 10 minutes max.

Otherwise definitely run it again.