Mini 1636: Mafialand Mayhem! - [Game Over]

[curiouskarmadog]

vote ollie

clearly lurking.

[curiouskarmadog]

I don't know a cheetah or tiger?

Hint: it is not a monkey

lynch all lairs.

unvot...


un..

vot...

you are just lucky my vote button is broken.

[curiouskarmadog]

Aeronaut

,

Luca

,

Katie

,

Aneninen

&

MonkeyMan

: What do you guys think and feel regarding 46?

I'd like to lean on you guys and have your input, including anyone else here who wants to work together as a team.

how do you define fluff?

[curiouskarmadog]

vote ollie

clearly lurking.

slowly turning into a real vote.

[curiouskarmadog]

vote ollie

clearly lurking.

slowly turning into a real vote.

he has posted 4 times today, 10 times yesterday, he has confirmed is role here, but is not posting here.

hurry up Ollie...I want to see that "I forgot about this game post".

[curiouskarmadog]

That said, I don't think all fluffiness should be outlawed. Some fluff is alright, so long as it stays within reason.

what is an acceptable fluff to content ratio

on

Day 1

in the first 5 pages ?

which is more damning (in your opinion) in those first 5 pages, posting fluff or confirming but not posting in the game (but posting elsewhere on site)?

[curiouskarmadog]

Hm. If you confirm, but not post in the game you confirmed, but have been posting elsewhere on site... I feel that's a bit more suspicious than fluffing in the first few pages.

what are your thoughts on my vote on ollie?

also I didnt answer your "help me get to know you" question post. your thoughts on that?


I think Lapsa might be town, seems too ballsy/coy to be a scum (this being said, if I get some time tomorrow, might read some of lapsa's games). thoughts on that?

- - -

Lapsa you could save me some time though, you play so nonchalantly as scum?

[curiouskarmadog]

Is everyone here yet?

how closely would you say you are reading the game?

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Lapsa you could save me some time though, you play so nonchalantly as scum?

I got thousand faces and they all look same

okay, so I will meta then.

[curiouskarmadog]

Is everyone here yet?

how closely would you say you are reading the game?

I'm reading the game, but I haven't checklisted the playerlist against the posts. I figured someone else would already have done it, making that a waste of my time.

so you have seen my posts then right?

[curiouskarmadog]

This is my third game, so no idea what my strengths are.

I am neither of those, nor are they indicative of scum. Please explain how any of his reasoning makes sense.

wait what? so was this a lie? can you answer his question now?

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Is everyone here yet?

how closely would you say you are reading the game?

I'm reading the game, but I haven't checklisted the playerlist against the posts. I figured someone else would already have done it, making that a waste of my time.[/quote]

so you have seen my posts then right?[/quote]

yes?

if you have seen my posts, where is my vote and why?

to be clear, this is coming from this post.

Is everyone here yet?

[curiouskarmadog]

fixed

so you have seen my posts then right?

yes?

if you have seen my posts, where is my vote and why?

to be clear, this is coming from this post.

Is everyone here yet?

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also....

Being defensive and emotional is indicative of scum,

is utter fucking bullshit.

I play emotional..I play hot. I am telling you I do this now...most likely I am going to get fucking super pissed in the game and get angry and emotional (thus my title) am I scum?

MM, are you telling me you have never seen town get emotional or defensive?

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@ ckd- you're still on your randomvote for ollie. You might be pushing him for not posting,

but I dont like the push

and I dont see how it's relevant.

soooo...if you know where/why my vote is, why are you asking if everyone is here?

at this point in the game, why dont you like my vote/push?

you clearly been around for awhile so I am trying to figure out if you really believe bolded.

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also....

Being defensive and emotional is indicative of scum,

is utter fucking bullshit.

I play emotional..I play hot. I am telling you I do this now...most likely I am going to get fucking super pissed in the game and get angry and emotional (thus my title) am I scum?

MM, are you telling me you have never seen town get emotional or defensive?

I said it is indicative, I didn't say it is a 100% indicator. More often than not, scum get emotional and defensive when wagoned more than town do.

have you ever seen scum support a vote based on "X is emotional and defensive"...(for your reference, I love to meta).

[curiouskarmadog]

better question...or question 2.

as scum, have you ever based a vote on "X is emotional and defensive"

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unvote, vote Monkey Man.

still pushing the defensive=scum thing...and taking actions out of context.

she/he (which is it?) has been answering questions and addressing posts about her. If she had ignored one, would she then be guilty of ignoring a posts? Something doesnt feel genuine here.

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douche dog, be so kind and dig up some games of this star8 creature

would appreciate some help

how about you do it captain coy, I will double check you for accuracy. got a couple other things I would like to look up, that is a bit more pressing me thinks.

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That said, I don't think all fluffiness should be outlawed. Some fluff is alright, so long as it stays within reason.

what is an acceptable fluff to content ratio

on

Day 1

in the first 5 pages ?

which is more damning (in your opinion) in those first 5 pages, posting fluff or confirming but not posting in the game (but posting elsewhere on site)?

This seems like
"How much bullshit can I post without anyone suspecting me?"

so I am trying to figure out if you REALLY think that is what I am doing in this quote, were just skimming as you read, trying to be funny, or if you scum trying to paint a picture by taking a quote out of context? I know in catch up posts, people tend to not really read thoroughly, but I am curious.

please address this...for I will have follow up questions.

[curiouskarmadog]

capt. coy, I assume you are talking about post 190? once aero answers, then I will explain.

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also

mod, have you prodded ollie?

[curiouskarmadog]

no... the button

(lost)

[curiouskarmadog]

Ollie has not posted in the game at all (the others have), but is posting all over the site.

that being said, at this point if Ollie was scum lurking and waiting to see where wagons were going before committing to anything, I think he would have posted here by now especially after me calling him out for lurking.

[curiouskarmadog]

going to be gone until monday (work/family mini vaca) will catch up on mon.

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also for those who are curious as to why I have issues with lurkers (who are posting else where) check out the last game I was in...it is current, so cant say more than that. might shed some light.

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back sort of, working today, will try to get to this today.

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I am really swamped, would like to post more than a sentence today, but it is doubtful....also, want to spend time with family....soooo...I will get to this when I get some free time.

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okay will update this by tonight, or I will ask for a replacement.

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Okay I got about 20-30 minutes to attempt to catch up.

First of all, for whoever asked (or commented on it) I was asking Wake about fluff, because at the time I thought the conversation about fluff on Day 1 was silly. I was curious what he deemed scummier, a post with fluff or someone who isn’t posting in here, but is elsewhere on site. Fluff on day one is nothing. It is the majority of posts in the first 10 pages. But what Ollie was doing WAS scummy in my book.

Which leads me to the next question somebody asked (not going back all the way to find who). Do I want to lynch lurkers….short answer…yes. Long answer, no? Meaning, Ollie wasn’t just a lurker. He wasn’t posting at all here AND he was very active in other games. I find that day 1 scum DO that. They will lurk and let a shitty wagon build on someone and jump in just a little and not commit to very much so they cant be ISOed later….I recently nailed scum for doing the EXACT SAME THING. Now. It is moot. Ollie was replaced…so my suspicion might not be valid. But also my vote isn’t on him now.

Okay reading at about page 10..if there is anything before that needs to be commented on. Please repost. I don’t have time to be as thorough as I would like to be.

KatieB is being super defensive right now, which seems scummy to me,

What the fuck?!

BEING DEFENSIVE/EMOTIONAL = SCUMMY IS BULLSHIT….BULLLLLLSHIT. I get defensive all the time…as town….AND as scum. I hate hate hate, when person X is being asked a ton of questions and when the post to answer those questions, people (usually scum) point the figure and say…you are being defensive. No…no they are not.

If Katie did ANYTHING scummy, it was disappearing when the heat dropped on her.


EDIT: (back to lurking, I went back to see if Katie was posting else where in this alt or her other…she/he is not..that being said, I would have found THAT scummy too)

It's very simple. Scum are more self aware in general than town.
Town, as you say, try to collaborate and collectively find scum.
Scum get defensive easily, use poor arguments, and get upset over little things(emotional).
So I don't see how I wasn't clear.

quote EXACTLY where Katie was being defensive. also the first two paragraphs of this post could be deemed defensive...am I scummy?

Evidently I have poor people and logic skills.

now who is being emotional?

That being said, what scum hunting have you done today?

also for those who are curious as to why I have issues with lurkers (who are posting else where) check out the last game I was in...it is current, so cant say more than that. might shed some light.

This comes across a little self-conscious...it's pretty obvious why lurkers are bad, so I don't see why he feels the need to justify this view. Pushes on someone who hasn't posted at all, even if they have posted elsewhere, are pretty pointless though.

did you check my last game out to see if I was lying? to see if my pov checks out? why or why not?

I'm not certain who is more scummy between Lapsa and Katie so I'll refrain from voting at the moment.

why?

Hey guys, haven't forgotten. Just really busty at the moment.

quit bragging.


Caught up on the most part…still good with my vote.

Hey Wake, why aren’t you voting someone?

[curiouskarmadog]

Those two statements are both assumptive and incorrect. It would be scummy of me to start a new wagon if there is a better wagon to be on, which there is. I have repeatedly stated my reasoning, which is sound.

can you please address my 404 post.

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I like

Monkey's

fluency of thought.
Will unvote for now.

vote: MonkeyMan576

????!!
Just why, Lapsa, why?!?
Keep producing shytty posts and shytty context for your votes and you're get lynched because of them. Possible scum or possible useless townie, that's my read on you right now.

(Reading the latest posts thoroughly and answering them will happen later; need to go to work right now.)

wait arent you voting Monkeyman too? if Monkeyman flips town, this post gets scum points.

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It isn't L-1 cos lll voted KatieB.

I am curious...why correct him?

if everyone was under the impression we were at -1, it might have provided some insight. So what purpose was this post?

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It isn't L-1 cos lll voted KatieB.

I am curious...why correct him?

if everyone was under the impression we were at -1, it might have provided some insight. So what purpose was this post?

1) Why would you assume that everyone else would have missed llll's vote?
2) What insight could we have got if I didn't mention it?
3) Why are you asking such stupid f*cking questions?

did you answer the question? what was the purpose of the post?

[curiouskarmadog]

if X thought MM was at -1, and hammered (out of no where) thinking it was indeed the hammer....that would have said a lot.

now quit being a dick, and answer the fucking question.

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Maybe because they are scum buddies, and Luca knows that Illl voting me is good way to get a town lynched.

who is they?

and why the fuck are YOU avoiding my questions...answer now please.

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karma, how do you feel about voting lapsa with me
either as a policy lynch for him to start making content
or because you suspect him for not making contetn

which he showed at game start he was able to do

how do

you

feel about "X is being defensive/emotional is clearly scummy" attack/vote?

[curiouskarmadog]

or because you suspect him for not making contetn

which he showed at game start he was able to do

also what?

[curiouskarmadog]

Okay I got about 20-30 minutes to attempt to catch up.

First of all, for whoever asked (or commented on it) I was asking Wake about fluff, because at the time I thought the conversation about fluff on Day 1 was silly. I was curious what he deemed scummier, a post with fluff or someone who isn’t posting in here, but is elsewhere on site. Fluff on day one is nothing. It is the majority of posts in the first 10 pages. But what Ollie was doing WAS scummy in my book.

Which leads me to the next question somebody asked (not going back all the way to find who). Do I want to lynch lurkers….short answer…yes. Long answer, no? Meaning, Ollie wasn’t just a lurker. He wasn’t posting at all here AND he was very active in other games. I find that day 1 scum DO that. They will lurk and let a shitty wagon build on someone and jump in just a little and not commit to very much so they cant be ISOed later….I recently nailed scum for doing the EXACT SAME THING. Now. It is moot. Ollie was replaced…so my suspicion might not be valid. But also my vote isn’t on him now.

Okay reading at about page 10..if there is anything before that needs to be commented on. Please repost. I don’t have time to be as thorough as I would like to be.

KatieB is being super defensive right now, which seems scummy to me,

What the fuck?!

BEING DEFENSIVE/EMOTIONAL = SCUMMY IS BULLSHIT….BULLLLLLSHIT. I get defensive all the time…as town….AND as scum. I hate hate hate, when person X is being asked a ton of questions and when the post to answer those questions, people (usually scum) point the figure and say…you are being defensive. No…no they are not.

If Katie did ANYTHING scummy, it was disappearing when the heat dropped on her.


EDIT: (back to lurking, I went back to see if Katie was posting else where in this alt or her other…she/he is not..that being said, I would have found THAT scummy too)

It's very simple. Scum are more self aware in general than town.
Town, as you say, try to collaborate and collectively find scum.
Scum get defensive easily, use poor arguments, and get upset over little things(emotional).
So I don't see how I wasn't clear.

quote EXACTLY where Katie was being defensive. also the first two paragraphs of this post could be deemed defensive...am I scummy?

Evidently I have poor people and logic skills.

now who is being emotional?

That being said, what scum hunting have you done today?

also for those who are curious as to why I have issues with lurkers (who are posting else where) check out the last game I was in...it is current, so cant say more than that. might shed some light.

This comes across a little self-conscious...it's pretty obvious why lurkers are bad, so I don't see why he feels the need to justify this view. Pushes on someone who hasn't posted at all, even if they have posted elsewhere, are pretty pointless though.

did you check my last game out to see if I was lying? to see if my pov checks out? why or why not?

I'm not certain who is more scummy between Lapsa and Katie so I'll refrain from voting at the moment.

why?

Hey guys, haven't forgotten. Just really busty at the moment.

quit bragging.


Caught up on the most part…still good with my vote.

Hey Wake, why aren’t you voting someone?

Those two statements are both assumptive and incorrect. It would be scummy of me to start a new wagon if there is a better wagon to be on, which there is. I have repeatedly stated my reasoning, which is sound.

can you please address my 404 post.

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The purpose was to point out that it wasn't L-1, obviously.

okay we can take it slow if you need to. What was the purpose of pointing it out?

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Why would scum:

a) Do that one day 1, thus incriminating themselves in the process
b) Hammer without checking the vote count first?

At what point would it have been acceptable to point out it isn't actually L-1?

who knows? but you didnt give anybody a chance to do so. but a quick hammer was not the only thing that could have been gleaned from people thinking it was -1.

never? let the mod post the vote count.

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if X thought MM was at -1, and hammered (out of no where) thinking it was indeed the hammer....that would have said a lot.

now quit being a dick, and answer the fucking question.

In case Luca's second attempt at explaining things to you didn't work, let me try as well. Assuming everyone is as dumb at counting as you are does not actually make it so. Dispelling confusion is helpful and helps the town. Deliberately lying and sowing confusion only helps the scum. Why in the world would you lie and try to have an accidental lynch?

If I had a second vote, I'd throw it at you.

Really now? there is a big fucking difference in letting people believe something AND lying. explain to me exactly how I was trying to have an accidental lynch? if MM was at -2, where was the accidental lynch? If others thought MM was at -1, it would be interesting to see what people did. and hey asshole, i never said anyone was at -1 did I?

So explain to me the scum motivation behind letting people think someone is at -1? What EXACTLY did I do that was scummy, other than ask Luca why he said something?

I am calling bullshit on the suspicion.

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wait arent you voting Monkeyman too? if Monkeyman flips town, this post gets scum points.

Elaborate, please. Why would I get "scum points"? Why not Lapsa?

you are attacking him for his vote

I like

Monkey's

fluency of thought.
Will unvote for now.

vote: MonkeyMan576

????!!
Just why, Lapsa, why?!?
Keep producing shytty posts and shytty context for your votes and you're get lynched because of them. Possible scum or possible useless townie, that's my read on you right now.

(Reading the latest posts thoroughly and answering them will happen later; need to go to work right now.)

wait arent you voting Monkeyman too? if Monkeyman flips town, this post gets scum points.

He is voting someone that you supposedly think is scum...why attack him on his vote? what was the motivation behind it. IF MM is scum, was his vote bad?

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RE: Lapsa/Katie, if two people are equally scummy, it makes more sense to wait than to vote right away and have to change your vote later.

RE: Katie being defensive and emotional, pretty much every post she has made. She is far too self aware to be town, in my opinion.

RE Scumhunting, I think I've pretty much nailed down Lapsa and Katie as scum, I'm not sure what more scumhunting I need to do in day 1.

give me an example post (dont say every post) where you think Katie is being defensive (and clearly scummy).

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avoiding a prod, weekends are rough for me to post.

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got a minute.


bottom line.

droog do you think being defensive/emotional is scummy?

I do that all the time. I will do it this game, because I play hot...am I scummy for doing so?

I asked Monkey to provide a particular post where he deemed that katie was being defensive/emotional (scummy) which made him vote her (had to ask twice). He said all of her posts, i asked him for one in particular and he has again not provided one.

Do you think these actions from Monkey are from someone who is town and really believes his case?

[curiouskarmadog]

give me a 3 point case for anyone who is scummier.

but most likely this close to deadline I am not coming off my vote.

[curiouskarmadog]

above post was for droog.

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That would be f-cking illegal being with two alts in the same game.

yes, but game is in progress. so Riddleton can't do shit about that. gonna sort it out postgame

if this is true then the below doesnt make any sense.

i like douchedog, wake, katie, aneninen, maybe domino

so let me get this straight. are you saying (in 674), you are being anti-town/scummy so that you get lynched...so that when you flip town, we lynch MM?

because wasnt MM very close to being lynched before you did this?

are you town?

are you really playing two alts in the game?

[curiouskarmadog]

jesus, i am just confused now.

[curiouskarmadog]

jesus, i am just confused now.

I never said I was confused, more misrepping

I never said you were confused. I am.

[curiouskarmadog]

vii.

Faking a violation will give you the same penalty as actually committing it.

Mod I need to you to address this is some manner. I dont think he is really playing two alts. But if he is, we need to address this in the game.

That would be f-cking illegal being with two alts in the same game.

yes, but game is in progress. so Riddleton can't do shit about that. gonna sort it out postgame

[1] if this is true then the below doesnt make any sense.

i like douchedog, wake, katie, aneninen, maybe domino

[2] so let me get this straight. are you saying (in 674), you are being anti-town/scummy so that you get lynched...so that when you flip town, we lynch MM?

[3] because wasnt MM very close to being lynched before you did this?

[4] are you town?

[5] are you really playing two alts in the game?

1. true
2. no
3. no. that wagon wasn't going anywhere. and he pushed mine not because there was pressure on him, but because there wasn't and he felt safe enough
4. true
5.

yes

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if Lapsa flips scum, the game either needs to be reset (unless Katie is scum too) or he is lying and trying to bring down Katie too....or there is something going on that I dont know about...like a Post Restriction...or....this is a normal game right?

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Checking in, going to reread....however, I cant imagine my vote is going to change.

also a royal fuck you to Lapsa, I will avoid games with you in the future to be sure.

[curiouskarmadog]

wake youre pushing this a little too hard
instead of compalining that youre scumread for not posting content
why not post some content

i know you're busy but
surely you can read enough to form one scumread and vote on it
((that isnt realetd to you being scumread))

this.


speaking of posting content, I am hoping to get to this game (reread) this weekend.

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okay rereading, nothing is changing my view of MM. MM (or katie maybe) would have been the lynch yesterday if lap hadnt pulled his fuck baggery.

looking at Luca, who knows why he was killed.

it looks like before flipping to Lapsa he was pushing/voting Katie. he also called some of my questions shitty. he did do ISOs on evilpacman and Anen and indicated in both (evilpacman = strong scum vibes and Anen = case could be made against him) he also said he was going to look into anen's meta.

want to check a couple things (meta) and reread one more time exactly how the lynch went down yesterday (though I imagine it will be fruitless).

vote MonkeyMan

this is a fine place to put my vote while I do this.

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WTH? why is it every time a wagon builds on MM, another wagon pops up for little reason and speeds forward with little regard? Why do I have a feeling that IIII is going to flip town?

I can go with this. That switch was pretty supsicious.

Vote: Illl

but this fucking switch isnt? and if it was so suspicious why didnt you vote him when the day started?


no I am not buying this bullshit.

[curiouskarmadog]

sweet christ...

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I wanted to lynch Monkeyman, but yea, nobody would get on the wagon. Gotta do something more productive for now. Also, why do you assume |||| is getting lynchrd just because there's four voted on him?

if you want MM lynched, why did you flip your vote?

[curiouskarmadog]

Is monkey your only scumread?

no, i have some other scum vibes (not as strong as reads), but I have been in so many fucking games where scum push a crap lynch based on someone being "emotional/defensive". Maybe I have just have mafia scars. but 4 times out of 5, this is a scum doing it. So I am sticking to this. AND NOW, that once again something starts to develop on him (yeah I know it was only 2 votes, droog) something else comes along so fast and he is again forgotten.

Why does no one else see this? Also, what about Monkey's vote on IIII, why is that not scummy?

fuck

maybe I am tunneling on MM, but I think he is a scum bag.

[curiouskarmadog]

Pretty suspicious to be replacing out when there is pressure on you.

OMG.....

[curiouskarmadog]

All i know is that I've seen a lot of players resplace out when they are scum.

provide to me that last game that you saw this happen in this way.

[curiouskarmadog]

if we lynch ANYONE ELSE in the game today, going to lose my shit.

is that emotional?

am I scummy for that?

Just the past 2 pages ALONE is enough to make a case on MM

[curiouskarmadog]

All i know is that I've seen a lot of players resplace out when they are scum.

provide to me that last game that you saw this happen in this way.

DONT IGNORE

[curiouskarmadog]

WTH? why is it every time a wagon builds on MM, another wagon pops up for little reason and speeds forward with little regard? Why do I have a feeling that IIII is going to flip town?

I can go with this. That switch was pretty supsicious.

Vote: Illl

but this fucking switch isnt? and if it was so suspicious why didnt you vote him when the day started?


no I am not buying this bullshit.

DONT IGNORE

[curiouskarmadog]

Yes, but

who are your other scumreads?

I didnt like pacman's "I think anyone who questions the kill is suspicious" post. (actually I really didnt like it) It is deterring for kill speculation...or almost bullying. I didnt really care that much about the kill UNTIl he said that. It is like saying, dont think about who killed this guy or you will get my wraith. Pacman could be scum...Luca could have been killed because he was a threat to pacman. This is all WIFOM though. I have seen a lot of people who dont like kill speculation. So it is just a vibe and not a read.

I also didnt like Katie's lie early in the game. She/he was deliberately trying to mask her playstyle and meta. It seemed scummy to lie. BUT. she could be trying out an alt, and didnt want to be meta-ed. I have tried out an alt before and acted in a different way. the difference, I didnt lie when asked about my experience. So it is just a vibe and not a read.

[curiouskarmadog]

Yet you don't have a case on anyone else, that alone is suspicious.

how so?

also why are you ignoring my direct questions?

[curiouskarmadog]

I think I'm the second scumread of CKD... ^_^

why is that?

[curiouskarmadog]

i doubt you missed them twice.

WTH? why is it every time a wagon builds on MM, another wagon pops up for little reason and speeds forward with little regard? Why do I have a feeling that IIII is going to flip town?

I can go with this. That switch was pretty supsicious.

Vote: Illl

but this fucking switch isnt? and if it was so suspicious why didnt you vote him when the day started?


no I am not buying this bullshit.

DONT IGNORE

[curiouskarmadog]

All i know is that I've seen a lot of players resplace out when they are scum.

provide to me that last game that you saw this happen in this way.

DONT IGNORE

[curiouskarmadog]

what the fuck
when did monkey
become the leading wagon

does anyone have a case

you know, you looked pretty townish in this game until this post.

have you not read the thread? just go back on the last 2 pages alone.

[curiouskarmadog]

all i see is
people pointing at things he does
and saying
'so scummy'

which is better or worse than..

which is basically what i said
or meant
and this isn't an argument worth havgin

genda has a good 1111 point i will sheep for now
VOTE: 1|Il

[curiouskarmadog]

gone for the weekend.

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I still don't see what I've done that's not townish. There are several people that are more scummy than me.

I think he is asking you this, scumbag.

why would he be asking you what people in other games say you are scummy?

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I love how you continually find ways to avoid questions.

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hey droog, can you comment on my post 797/798

do you really not see a case for MM being scum?

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@karma
Those two just point be back
To earlier parts of the thread

I have no clue what this means.

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going to put forth my full case on Monkey (it should be obvious, but will put it all in one post) on Sunday or Monday....

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I got 0 time tonight to post anything, my wife is leaving town for a week and ...well, blah blah blah. ..life shit.

i will post my MM case when I can.

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okay getting some time tonight, will update.

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Going to catch up. I think I only need to go back to page 34..if I have missed anything, please point it out.

what the fuck
when did monkey
become the leading wagon

does anyone have a case

you know, you looked pretty townish in this game until this post.

have you not read the thread? just go back on the last 2 pages alone.

my problem with droog, is that he clearly is ignoring MM's scumminess. You asked "does anyone have a case"...my question for you was have you read the game? Have you actually read MM and find him (or his actions) town?

all i see is
people pointing at things he does
and saying
'so scummy'

which is better or worse than..

which is basically what i said
or meant
and this isn't an argument worth havgin

genda has a good 1111 point i will sheep for now
VOTE: 1|Il

here you say, all I see are people pointing at things and saying scummy....what are you doing in this quote? how is that ANY better?

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Okay read the last couple pages, there is really nothing worth noting. I mean nothing.

So here is why I think that MM has got to be scum.

1.) Day 1, His “scum is defensive/emotional” . This is a load of shit. This is a tactic scum uses to explain bad votes.

2.) He is jumping on ANY wagon that gets going, for no reason. Think I am wrong? Just check out his voting…and WHEN he votes.

3.) HE HAS DONE NO SCUM HUNTING. NONE. Why?

4.) He said Wake was scum because he left the game (couldn’t handle the pressure?). I asked him (3 times) to provide a game where he developed this theory. He gave a newbie game (that he was in) from 2012. Really? This is the game you have based this bullshit theory? He has been around since 2008. If MM was really trying to find scum, why didn’t he meta Wake to see if this was a common problem with his other current games? (Hint: it is a common problem). No, instead he just throws that crap out there to see if it will get started. MM, why didn’t you see if Wake was having problems in other threads?

5.) he voted IIII today (the wagon that countered his own) ONLY when the wagon started gaining steam, stating his wagon switch yesterday was scummy. Really? If it was so scummy why didn’t you vote him when the day started, versus now? I have asked him why he didn’t vote him at the start of the day 3 fucking times, he has seemed to “miss” the question every time. Why?

This guy is so scummy it hurts.

If you guys don’t hang him today and I get offed tonight…PLEASE MAKE HIM ANSWER TO THIS CASE.


here is the case droog, thoughts? Am I wrong, why?

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CKD, are you still only willing to lynch monkey?

And monkey, you seem to be spending most of your time focusing on CKD, but your vote is still parked on IIII. IIII also didnt show up in the list of players that you consider to be scummier then you in #838. Why is your vote still on IIII, when he seems to not be your top scumread?

No...I would be willingly to lynch others, BUT it has got to be a really good case. and if you had to guess, why do you think his vote is on IIII, if a new wagon started on...well, anyone, he would find some way to join it and give you a one sentence reason why.

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I get that I might be tunneling. I do tend to do that. Convince myself I have caught scum and see scum in every post. (see last game, Day 1). But I feel that I have nailed scum here...soooo, I dont know.

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EDIT

4.) He said Wake was scum because he left the game (couldn’t handle the pressure?). I asked him (3 times) to provide a game where he developed this theory. He gave a newbie game (that he

NOT

was in) from 2012. Really? This is the game you have based this bullshit theory? He has been around since 2008. If MM was really trying to find scum, why didn’t he meta Wake to see if this was a common problem with his other current games? (Hint: it is a common problem). No, instead he just throws that crap out there to see if it will get started. MM, why didn’t you see if Wake was having problems in other threads?

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What's wrong with the Illl wagon?

you are on it?

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What's wrong with the Illl wagon?

ALSO WAY TO FUCKING IGNORE MY CASE YOU.

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So basically part of your case is trashing my vote on Illl, but you admit that Illl is probably scum.

also add lying, where did I say IIII is probably scum? where? I think he is probably town.

also if your next post doesnt answer this question I have not going to remove my vote from you all game.

4.) He said Wake was scum because he left the game (couldn’t handle the pressure?). I asked him (3 times) to provide a game where he developed this theory. He gave a newbie game (that he was in) from 2012. Really? This is the game you have based this bullshit theory? He has been around since 2008. If MM was really trying to find scum, why didn’t he meta Wake to see if this was a common problem with his other current games? (Hint: it is a common problem). No, instead he just throws that crap out there to see if it will get started. MM, why didn’t you see if Wake was having problems in other threads?

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have=am

sorry not proofreading....getting pissed...and...OMG emotional.

clearly my must be scum.

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fuck

my=I

okay, I am done tonight.

now I remember why I left the game for 2 years.

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not going to move my vote from you all game.

dont like it, lynch me.


SOMEONE ELSE ASK HIM WHY HE CANT ANSWER THE QUESTION.

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Given that, I'd like to set Genda on fire. He's been on both the big wagons today and his justifications for both are utter shit. He's just looking for a lynch other people will vote for.

VOTE: Gendberry

I'm still townreading pacman, im doubting my townread on CKD from yesterday.

Did I miss anything important?

Have you read the game today or did you skim?

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Hint: if you say you have thoroughly read today, you have just got yourself a spot on my scum list and a ton of followup questions.

if you say you have skimmed, I am going to be asking you why the fuck are you voting if you havent read and if you know there is a deadline approaching.

either way, please break down my case on MM, what do you not like exactly? What part of Gen's involvement in the IIII "wagon" was scummy?

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I'll claim too. I don't want the town wasting time on my lynch. Vanilla townie.

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Day 1?

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Okay MM, were you scum?

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No good case on monkey
Until about right before his lynch

That's my only defense
I have no time until Friday
So that's that

I dont understand why you felt like there was a good case until the end? yes, towards the end I put all of my reasons of suspicions in one post, but the fact is, it was ALREADY IN THE THREAD. you just had to read it. if felt like you were deliberately ignoring MM....AND after I posted my case.

1.) Day 1, His “scum is defensive/emotional” . This is a load of shit. This is a tactic scum uses to explain bad votes.



3.) HE HAS DONE NO SCUM HUNTING. NONE. Why?

4.) He said Wake was scum because he left the game (couldn’t handle the pressure?). I asked him (3 times) to provide a game where he developed this theory. He gave a newbie game (that he was in) from 2012. Really? This is the game you have based this bullshit theory? He has been around since 2008. If MM was really trying to find scum, why didn’t he meta Wake to see if this was a common problem with his other current games? (Hint: it is a common problem). No, instead he just throws that crap out there to see if it will get started. MM, why didn’t you see if Wake was having problems in other threads?

5.) he voted IIII today (the wagon that countered his own) ONLY when the wagon started gaining steam, stating his wagon switch yesterday was scummy. Really? If it was so scummy why didn’t you vote him when the day started, versus now? I have asked him why he didn’t vote him at the start of the day 3 fucking times, he has seemed to “miss” the question every time. Why?

This guy is so scummy it hurts.

If you guys don’t hang him today and I get offed tonight…PLEASE MAKE HIM ANSWER TO THIS CASE.


here is the case droog, thoughts? Am I wrong, why?

thank you for finally maing one
no one all game could point me to anything good


1) i agree
this was why i scumread monkey at first
but stupid thoughts arent scummy

2) give me time to look at this
that sounds scummy for sure
but isnt he always picking wagons because theyre not him?

3) i think this is just poor plaf

4) was a load of bullshit

5) is a good point let me think on it

you said it was good, but you never voted him...sooo

I remember thinking after the flip....droog and Katie are scum..

that being said, I just doubt you would have defended a buddy like that...even in the face of that wagon...it would have been...stupid? It is all WIFOM though.

I am going to reread now I know (for sure) MM's alignment. will post after.

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also, time permitting, going to meta droog.

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VOTE: Aeronaut

thoughts?

Have not completely my reread of yesterday, but I am leaning voting you.


thoughts?

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completed

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FYI, just a heads up, I am getting ready to go on a TDY (for a month) for work. This sucks because I hate being away from home/family that long, but you really dont care about that part. This weekend I am will be doing family stuff, so I will not be posting at all this weekend. I will be taking a laptop with me, so updating this shouldnt be a problem. that being said, I probably will not be posting anything here until Tuesday-ish?

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here-ish, in hotel work is a bitch..only skimmed last 2 pages, will post thoughts tomorrow (if I have time).

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i am caught up. (insert how much i fucking hate my job right now comment here). Because of my computer/setup situation, here in the hotel, it is a fucking bitch for me to quote a bunch of things in the same post, so if i post/quote something for the next month, it will be one at a time. so yay for you, know long ass posts with a bunch of quotes.

I agree in the sentiment that pacman looks town.

Now lets get to who is scummy. Katie. first the lie at the beginning of Day 1. I originally thought that MM's vote on her made her look town. MM vote was shitty and just looked like an excuse to vote her. But the more I look at it, the more is DOES look like an excuse to vote her. I think he was bussing his partner and needed some bullshit reason to do so. Katie's reaction to this vote was also strange. If someone voted me because I was "defensive" I would have lost my shit. No one believes that.

Katie also tried to discredit me yesterday for know reason. I cant help up think this was due to me pushing MM. Her play today is also bad.

I am not sure where she is (vote wise) right now. but I have absolutely no issue hammering her if needed.


also droogs looked incredibly scummy. I am not one to give much credence to people leaving looking scummy, but his departure after yesterday's play DOES look suspicious given MM flip, if I get time (doubtful) I will see if he left other games as well. Can anyone check this for me? You will be my pal.

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rereading, curious as to when Gen voted who when.

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checking in, should be getting a moment to answer questions friday/sat. I have skimmed the last 2 pages, but also want to read Gen's beginning of the day posts..

on an unrelated note, i hate this fucking hotel's wifi.

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got my prod got sometime, will update

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since I have gone on my TDY, this game isnt really my priority (sorry). I have reread (mostly).

here are my thoughts

evilpacman18, he is scummy has hell, BUT I am 95% sure he is town. Dont ask me why, I am not going to tell you, if you got a problem with that lynch me. And no, I am not soft claiming anything.

Aronis, droog was scummy and did absolutely nothing town. Aronis has done nothing that looks any better.

Reticent, I have got absolutely no read on him, leaning town, but no clue.

Wake88, same as Reticent, but leaning scum, again no clue.

Aeronaut, I had him as town, but some of his questions seem.....off?

llll, probably scum, Gen had a point about him abandoning the MM wagon.


couple of questions before I vote.

I'm asking you specifically. If you were to pick one buddy, out of those three, who would it be? Who there is my buddy?

What is the point of this question? you if (really) think IIII is scum, what is the point of this question?

IIII/aero, both of you asked each other what the scum team was and both of you ignored each other questions? This kind of looks like theater. Both you answer the question. I noted when I asked MM questions earlier in the game he fucking ignored questions too.

Wake/or replacement, who is scum...and why? your slot has done NOTHING. it is now time to do something.

Ret, you have a gun to your head...you have to pick someone as scum, who is it?

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@Curiouskarmadog
Let me get this straight. When Aeronaut asked me to narrow down my three suspects for Aeronaut's partner, your response is

What is the point of this question? you if (really) think IIII is scum, what is the point of this question?"

Then literally in the next paragraph, you want me to answer this question despite you also thinking that

llll, probably scum

You just criticized Aeronaut asking me this question, and in your next breath, you want me to answer the same exact question. What.

is that what I am doing?

a.) you are completely ignoring my point
b.) I am not voting you (yet)
c.) there is a lot of blah blah blah, but not a lot of answering the question.

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One of Aronis, Curiouskarmadog, Reticent.

so then, since I asked you a question I am now scum?

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avoiding a prod (post). should update from page 51 in the next 24 hours(ish)

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I can actually help prove that. I'm a town neighborizer. I'll let people in my neighborhood claim if they want to but I will say there's only two others because I tried to recruit Gendaberry last night. I think it wouldn't hurt to not be able to recruit one more person so why don't we lynch Aeronaut today because he's very likely to be scum by PoE if we believe each others' claims, and then you JK me and I'll see if the person I pick gets put in the hood or not.

thus my softclaim about you...why are you claiming right now? I said what I did today (and how I said it) because I thought I might direct a kill towards me and leave you around. Also you would be able to have a crumb to point too.

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okay so piss is replacing Ret and freak was replacing wake, but decided to leave? jesus, this game is getting hard to follow.

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why are people still voting pacman? what am I missing. I confirm I am in the hood. Has anyone ever seen scum with this role? I think I have only every seen something like this once and it was town.

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vote Aronis

i dont like his pacman push today. I seriously doubt pacman's role is a scum role.

it looks like everyone who is dead has suspected pacman. I feel like this is a set up. This is why I also think that piss is probably town. he is in the hood with us and could/can verify pacman's role. I feel like whoever killed Gen to set up pacman, probably didnt know about pacman's role.

for whoever is still voting pacman after his claim, show me a game where a role like this belonged to scum.

also droog was super scummy yesterday

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I dont believe the claim...or at least I dont believe the alignment.

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also this weekend I am out from friday to sunday. my wife/child are coming to visit me and I dont want to look at a computer all weekend. god I hate working from home so much.

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i dont believe aronis claim...or at least his alignment. furthermore, has he agreed to you plan pacman?

also, he is posting in other games but is awful quiet here.

titus have you read the game fully?

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also has anyone ever seen a game where the town has a 2 shot role and a 1 shot role together. Something doesnt seem right. I just dont believe it..

also why did Aronis claim again?

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my vote stays

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If we think Gendaberry cleared llll, then I want to lynch Aeronaut at this point.

VOTE: Aeronaut

L-1

wait what???

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VOTE: Pacman

what the fuck is going on?

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if Aronis flips scum, I am thinking that IIII will be his partner.

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i am here, going to get caught up now.

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FOS: Pisskip

llll, what do you think my mindset was day one and two, when I pushed monkey for most of both days?

piss is not scum..or at least i doubt he is.

he knew about Pac a day/night after I did..I doubt piss/or that slot would have left pacman alive. also aronis claim was fucking horrible. if you are reading this game in a dead thread, if we lose it is partially your fucking fault. one of the problems I had with your claim was that you claimed a fucking one shot role. it didnt make any sense that the RB was a one shot and the cop a 2, all the while a neigbhorizor was a around.

we can discuss this end game if you want, but there was no reason to claim a one shot role, when you had two. this wasnt the only reason I voted to lynch you, but it was a contributing factor.

two of either titus, IIII, or Aero are scum.

I am leaning IIII and titus...

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[quote="In post 1502, llll"}
I'm not saying Curiouskarmadog isn't scum. I think either he or Reticent-slot/Pisskop is your partner. What I'm saying is, relative to Curiouskarmadog, and relative to every single other player, Aeronaut, you're scummier by far.

[/quote]

why would Piss/reticent leave pacman alive? sure he was scummy as shit, but at the end of the day if a wagon DID build on him, he could claim and Ret/piss(and I) could confirm. he was an asset (sort of) to us. scum would not have let him live long.

explain to me how piss is scum.



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TItus, can you please provide to me a game, where you also a role like a neighborizor in scum hands..thanks.

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vote: Aeronaut

He's got that scum agro, attacking the players over the play.

jesus, as soon as I say something nice about you....

unvote please.

explain to me how this is a better vote than titus?

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jesus

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IIII and titus are scum, consider this my vote/FOS on them

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Curiouskarmadog, thanks for outing yourself as Aeronaut's partner.

I figured pisskop may be scum playing for towncred, but that would mean you are town, but your posts are not town. So there's no trickery - pisskop is town and you are scum.

which posts are "not town"? quote them..bullshit. name one town thing you have done this game.

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forget this...

vote titus.

you better kill me tonight.

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so IIII is either scum with titus or he is town.

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forget this...

vote titus.

you better kill me tonight.

IIII, i see you completely ignored this.

also in your "look back" you seemed to miss this.

speaking of the dead....this from our cop.

VOTE: IIII

I'm not sure how he was able to go from Monkey being scummy as fuck and pushing hard for his lynch to completely ignoring him and hopping on the Lapsa wagon within 40 minutes. If Monkey was that scummy, why randomly switch wagons for pretty much no reason and stop talking about Monkey completly? The wagons were around the same size at the time too, so it's not like it was the only way to prevent a NL. The only reason given was Lapsa's anti-town posts but that doesn't even make much sense to me considering that IIII was encouraging Lapsa half the time.

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wait what?

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oh fuck, IIII...who was your partner?

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thanks, but it was hardly a good win for us.

Lapsa and all of the replacements and lurkers. ugh

I also usually post so much more...I wasnt bullshitting about this TDY...it sucks and I have no time for anything. I wouldnt have joined the game if I knew I had to leave home.

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also, those crumbs might have come in handy... I thought Gen might have some kind of PR (coming out of no where with a IIII vote D2)....but once he came off the vote, I wasnt sure.

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thanks N

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salt
wound

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thanks guys, it is a shame my partner kind of ruined it. I usually post more. waaay more. If it wasnt for the work trip, I imagine you guys would have pegged me for scum sooner before later.

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unlocking again - llll has been banned

I guess being banned doesnt stop people from sending emails...apparently IIII didnt like my comment.

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unlocking again - llll has been banned

I guess being banned doesnt stop people from sending

emails

messages...apparently IIII didnt like my comment.

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I didnt reply to mine and will avoid games with him in the future.

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Are they PMs? There's an exclamation mark next to the quote button you can press to report them.

ahhh, I deleted it.

good to know for future I guess.