CI1656: Hearthstone Mafia (GAME OVER)

[the freekazoid]

/confirm

[the freekazoid]

Hey Grib

Hydra here, so why did you pick one over the other?

[the freekazoid]

unvote

I changed my mind, been a while since i played with ika, hopefully he's improved since.

vote: freekzoid

Why no vote?

Not always big on rvs.

@Sonic: I disagree with you already.

[the freekazoid]

Only 2 town reads so far. That's pretty disappointing.

Ika: what's going on with you and that entrance. Pretty bland.

[the freekazoid]

Only 2 town reads so far. That's pretty disappointing.

Ika: what's going on with you and that entrance. Pretty bland.

who are the town reads, and why?

Killjester and grib.

Why do you want to know.

Klaz add to town spot.

Sonic: why you trolling grib here?

[the freekazoid]

Grib what are your feelings on the people wagoning you?

Don't like Klaz's reasoning at all in 98.

VOTE: Klazam

[the freekazoid]

I'd like to know from mastis why they think klaz is scum.
I'm conferring with brantz about his read since it's different then mine.

[the freekazoid]

While you're at it why do you think Klazam is town?

I like klaz attacks, he goes for it and I think the back and forth vote is a town tell. Most of all I agreed with his comment towards dragon.

[the freekazoid]

Okay I spoke with brantz and since he agreed with the ping on dragon.

Vote: dragon

Ika: we are way past rqs. Do something that makes me like you.
Vote dragon or even mantis

[the freekazoid]

And my dragon scum read has moved to him being a VI.

Next.

Vote: Mantis

[the freekazoid]

Im also considering prawn right now.

[the freekazoid]

Im also considering prawn right now.

What's your feel of prawn so far?

This is the other head, but prawns play here is very similar to my only other experience with him in Persona 3 Mafia, and he was scum there. He lurked around throwing votes at people whenever he thought he probably wouldn't get called out for it and added close to zero content there as well (I'm not personally a huge fan of meta, and know that one game does not make meta, but I am comfortable with where our vote is right now).

[the freekazoid]

Welp I'm scum read Dan now. Could mean he's town since I town read him whenever he's been scum so far.

Dan: how can you make such a large post that says so little?

I told brantz I had a null read reck and Jason.
Bother by ABR's absence in the game a bit and stool find mantis scummy. Prawn post was a good post but I don't write him as town based I one post.

[the freekazoid]

Dan: how can you make such a large post that says so little?

It's not THAT large. don't let the quotes fool you. That said, what in particular irks you?

I thought the things you pointed out as scummy was a big whooping yawn fest. It wasn't really scummy in my view and it just seemed like you cherry picked some quotes you could respond to without making a lot of analysis.

Only 2 town reads so far. That's pretty disappointing.

Ika: what's going on with you and that entrance. Pretty bland.

who are the town reads, and why?

Killjester and grib.

Why do you want to know.

Klaz add to town spot.

Sonic: why you trolling grib here?

i wanted to know, because for some strange reason you felt like not stating them?

People have town reads all the time. Why did you need to know the reason for them?

I'm totally fine with killing Mantisdreamz today.

I endorse this product and/or service.

Jasson is probably scum too.
And yes I know Abr is on V/LA but it wasn't like he said a lot when he was around. Just someone to watch in my view.

I've never know reck to get pissy about players being vague. Sometimes I feel he is the master of vague.

[the freekazoid]

Reck: Master of vague ladies and germ.

This is farside out.

1) played with you as both alignments where you were vague many a time
2) you don't explain what you like or agreed with about Dan's post.

Therefore your reason's are vague.

Stop fake raging.

[the freekazoid]

@Reck: Oh right because you were so clear. Wait, no you weren't. You vaguely said you agree with things he said. What things do you agree with? Since you hate being vague so much.

@Mantis:Having trouble coming up with town reads on your own? That is the only reason I can think of that you would need explicit reasons for why my other head posted town reads without them.

[the freekazoid]

Jasson is probably scum too.

Can you elaborate on this?

He's posting just fine on ms without issue
plus he is just sitting back there without saying much of anything. I mean reck is talking about vague post but jason post was on the cusps of vague just now.

Here we have the first quote. It doesn't say why he doesn't like dragon's response to the votes on his.

Grib and Klaz seem town, KJ and Reck seem leaning town.

The rest are pretty meh other then Dragonspawn who seems scummy.

VOTE: Dragonspawn

Don't like the vote or the failure to respond to this

Not particularly liking the way reck and jester jumped on the grid wagon with little explanation. Gut tells me one of the two is scum.

So let's start with

VOTE: k. Jester

I could have gone for either but a jester is like a clown and I'm not a big fan of clowns. They tend to not be funny and homicidal. At least if batman hasn't lead me astray.

this post is strange.

starting off seriously, then degenerating in a rvs reason.

am i supposed to take your vote seriously or?

And how about KJ and reck's other posts. which makes you lean more scum?

When he can easily post responses to other's posts.

Vote Count 1.2

Grib (3) - killerjester, xRECKONERx, ActionDan
Mantisdreamz (2) - the freekazoid, Sonic Heroes
Klazam (2) - Mantisdreamz, prawneater
killerjester (1) - dragonspawn
dragonspawn (1) - Grib
Not Voting (4) - Albert B. Rampage, Klazam, JasonWazza, ika

I was voting DragonSpawn at this point mod.

Reck/Dan/Jason/Mantis/prawneater: I lean town on some of you, lean scum on the others, but all of you are disgracefully contentless.

Work's been doing me in so yeah contentless is how i've been, should let up hopefully.

Honestly i glossed and most of this stuff is shit, and DS is still being pretty shit so yeah my vote stays.

finally this most recent is I'm not really reading he glossed over and all he says is that DS post is shit.

Yeah that isn't scummy to have shitty post by the way nor does it say why he thinks those shit post make DS scum.

It's worthless crap post on a player that is being active elsewhere.

[the freekazoid]

I've seen Dan play town countless time and after the last time he basically played like shit and lurked the whole way and said he was going to try to provide more content as town so he's not a hindrance last time, so that post plays along with what I expect of him, plus a lot of his thoughts in that post were things I agree w/ so it's more likely that he's coming from the same mindset as me (IE TOWN)

For clarification: what was the point of bringing up his lurky/bad play that is, so far, pretty different compared to this game?

Because he made it a SPECIFIC point at the end of last game to pick up his play after he was a crucial factor in town's loss.

As I said you didn't say what you agreed with about dan. That is vague.
It's not rocket science.


ftw I think dan maybe town but for weird reason's.

[the freekazoid]

@Reck: Oh right because you were so clear. Wait, no you weren't. You vaguely said you agree with things he said. What things do you agree with? Since you hate being vague so much.

he's scumreading Grib & Dragon

Can you explain why Grib is a scum read?
I explained to brants why he was a town read and DS just reads as a VI right now to me.

I would switch to Jason in a heartbeat for scum.
As for mantis her reads and reaction just feel off and desperate. Not in the I'm hunting scum and feel people are attacking me desperate but just desperate.

[the freekazoid]

so ...we're just gonna ignore the fact that you said i had no reason and then I pointed out the exact sequence of events that shows my reason?

well actually, you did seem to make more of a deal of it than necessary. grib didn't *actually* say 'oh, heh it's just bs' .. he said that you should be an easy read cause he's played with you, is familiar with you. and you got all uppity upon that statement, for who knows why.

maybe i have to reread it.. but that was the gist of what i got.

anyway, look at freek's declaration about killerjester being one of his two town reads after a mere 2 posts!! a confirmation and rvs vote!

freek, i am not having trouble coming up with town reads. ? i stated my town reads loud and clear. whoever it was posting, and stating that they had town reads, should have posted WHO they were...otherwise, expect someone to ask that of you.

naked votes are not scummy.
He was fearless in his votes in my view. I see that from town more then scum.

You haven't explained your scum reads other then to call people scum that called you scum as far as I see.

[the freekazoid]

Also just to be blunt and as nice as i can be.
I don't care about town reads unless I'm scum reading the person.
I care about scum reads with reason.

Get to it.

[the freekazoid]

Um.

What's VI?

village idiot

Hi Ika.

Are you going to play this game or should I push to get you lynched too?

[the freekazoid]

FYI my vote isn't moving from mantis, especially as she just ignore things said to her and just continues to read desperate.

Jason, explain your town view on the slot please.

[the freekazoid]

I'm phone posting so I'm going to explain what I saw and in the spoiler are the quotes from mantis in regards to my analysts.

First you have mantis talking about the wagon on grib and the votes she doesn't like.
She then ignores those people who bother her and basically scum reads those that call her scum.
The reason for the reads are weak and even when explained, she plays to the crowd about why a player is scummy instead of interacting with the player.
Basically it is just cherry picking a minor point to scum read someone, while ignoring the game as a whole.

Spoiler:

also do not like reckoner's or killerjester's vote on grib in posts 51 & 52

so ...we're just gonna ignore the fact that you said i had no reason and then I pointed out the exact sequence of events that shows my reason?

well actually, you did seem to make more of a deal of it than necessary. grib didn't *actually* say 'oh, heh it's just bs' .. he said that you should be an easy read cause he's played with you, is familiar with you. and you got all uppity upon that statement, for who knows why.

maybe i have to reread it.. but that was the gist of what i got.

anyway, look at freek's declaration about killerjester being one of his two town reads after a mere 2 posts!! a confirmation and rvs vote!

freek, i am not having trouble coming up with town reads. ? i stated my town reads loud and clear. whoever it was posting, and stating that they had town reads, should have posted WHO they were...otherwise, expect someone to ask that of you.

@ Mantis

Why are you scumreading freek?

because - did you see what i said?? he claimed killerjester was a town read of his in post #33. in the meantime, killerjester had posted THIS before that post:

/confirming that mages are overpowered garbage

VOTE: Klazam

...pure unadulterated bs!


UNVOTE: sonic
VOTE: freekazoid

[the freekazoid]

hmm. I'm here, but i can't decide who i think is scum.

I don't like this post at all.

What are you doing to try to find scum reads?

[the freekazoid]

so who else thinks sonic heros might be scum right now?

nope


Jason: I reevaluated dragon and I see a lot of questions and I have to say on review my vi thoughts went down, but I don't see mantis as town and what you told me doesn't really add up to a hill of beans.
I also have moved reck into my scum pile because some of his words do not match his actions so far this game.

[the freekazoid]

Long story with reasons why reck is starting to read scummy.

I'm phone posting so everything will be said here and the quotes I'm referencing are in spoilers.

First his vote on dragon based on what he quoted makes no sense.
His tantrum about vagueness and when I confront him on how he is being vague he goes all shitty over the dispute for no reason.
He says Jason should die too but doesn't back it up with a vote.
The reason he finds grib scum is one minor point that hasn't moved beyond the same point repeatedly while other things have been said.
He's wondered about mantis way of doing things and this conversation seems as pointless as a 3rd tit in me.

Spoiler:

VOTE: reck

huh now where's that quote... ah yes

Not particularly liking the way reck and jester jumped on the grid wagon with little explanation. Gut tells me one of the two is scum.

LOL

VOTE: dragonspawn

Reck: Master of vague ladies and germ.

This is farside out.

1) played with you as both alignments where you were vague many a time
2) you don't explain what you like or agreed with about Dan's post.

Therefore your reason's are vague.

Stop fake raging.

I just explained why I think Dan's town.

PLEASE FARSIDE, SHOW ME THIS VAGUENESS YOU CLAIM TO HAVE SUUUUUUUCH GREAT META KNOWLEDGE ABOUT.

i'm all fucking ears

As I said you didn't say what you agreed with about dan. That is vague.

holy shit shut the fuck up with your nitpicking

the amount of content and explanation i put into that single paragraph dwarfs 90% of the bullshit in this game

if you have such a stick up your vag about vagueness in some crusade to make me less vague how about focus it on the rest of the playerlist, tia

yeh Jason can die too imo

[the freekazoid]

mostly it's because time after time i find myself clashing heads with your stupid, inane, barely legible tirades against me in every game we're in together and im just fed the fuck up with you

Then stop asking me questions.
You want be to stop being vague, then you get shitty when I'm not.
Take one or the other and stop bitching.

i'm still pleased with the vote on freezanoid. i think reck does not seem scummy, rather, jaded...which is not scummy.

abr needs to post and set things straight (if he is town) (i hope he is)

Well I looked into mantis play style so I'm not moving my vote at all.
Especially since one head had issue with recks vote not too long ago but I'm sure it okay your vague with reasons there.

[the freekazoid]

farside needs to explain which vote of killerjester's she found fearless, and why.

Skimmed the thread, scum is probably freekazoid/Grib/Sonic. Sonic for scumplaining, and the Jason vote is blech. Voting Jason for crappy meta but paying no attention to that one guy doing the same thing re: Reck? Yeah, Sonic is scum.
Grib is scum for fishing for town cred with his comment about 4 scum. There's no way we'd think he was scum after he botched the number of scum in a mini that badly, right? If he was scum, he'd know exactly how many scum there are... right?!

freekazoid is obvscum and should be lynched immediately.
This:

@Mantis:Having trouble coming up with town reads on your own? That is the only reason I can think of that you would need explicit reasons for why my other head posted town reads without them.

And this:

I don't care about town reads unless I'm scum reading the person.

Are

completely

contradictory. farside is trying to eat her cake both ways. Her Reck case is similarly trash. Nitpicking on Reck being vague for not stating exactly what he meant, when apparently it's a sin for Mantis to ask BRantz what his two unnamed, VAGUE townreads were, is total shit! It is completely ridiculous that she does not have a wagon on her right now, every post that farside makes is completely infested with hypocrisy, it's disgusting.

You may have missed the memo based on the fact I post more.
But this is a hydra account.
Brantz posted one view and I posted the other.
Also since all you do is snip at one thing repeatedly without progressing reads further beyond one issue that is not scummy and you haven't explained what makes it scummy, my vote stands.

Oh look scum mantis bringing up the same issue over and over because she's desperate.
People can lynch this at anytime.
Or I will link meta and make Jason explain that town read better on you.
Let me know which people prefer

[the freekazoid]

Oh and I explained in the very first sentence of the post what was fearless and why.

so ...we're just gonna ignore the fact that you said i had no reason and then I pointed out the exact sequence of events that shows my reason?

well actually, you did seem to make more of a deal of it than necessary. grib didn't *actually* say 'oh, heh it's just bs' .. he said that you should be an easy read cause he's played with you, is familiar with you. and you got all uppity upon that statement, for who knows why.

maybe i have to reread it.. but that was the gist of what i got.

anyway, look at freek's declaration about killerjester being one of his two town reads after a mere 2 posts!! a confirmation and rvs vote!

freek, i am not having trouble coming up with town reads. ? i stated my town reads loud and clear. whoever it was posting, and stating that they had town reads, should have posted WHO they were...otherwise, expect someone to ask that of you.

naked votes are not scummy.
He was fearless in his votes in my view. I see that from town more then scum.

You haven't explained your scum reads other then to call people scum that called you scum as far as I see.

Sonic: be a doll and vote scum mantis please. Don't make me meta link people this game.

[the freekazoid]

Oh look scum mantis bringing up the same issue over and over because she's desperate.
People can lynch this at anytime.
Or I will link meta and make Jason explain that town read better on you.
Let me know which people prefer

I know that you would just looooove if we dropped that point against you, but that isn't going to happen no matter how many times you try to paint us as scummy for bringing up points against you.
So you say that you think his naked vote was fearless? The one against Grib?

Tell you what when you actually respond to my questions I will respond to your questions.
You have yet to explain why it is scummy to have a town read on anyone at all.
Sooooo fake right now about dropping it. I said moving on beyond one fucking reason.

Is that all you've got? It's not my fault I play on a site that likes a more challenging scumteam.

You've been on mafiascum for over a year. I've also checked your game history. You've never been in a mini game on mafiascum where there have been four scum on a team together. You should seriously know better than to think that 4 scum is the norm here. I think you did it for town cred.

You may have missed the memo based on the fact I post more.
But this is a hydra account.
Brantz posted one view and I posted the other.
Also since all you do is snip at one thing repeatedly without progressing reads further beyond one issue that is not scummy and you haven't explained what makes it scummy, my vote stands.

I don't believe you. You posted the first thing, then Mantis responded, then you posted the second thing attached to a response to her. If you're going to claim that you're answering for each other, be my guest, it only makes you scummier (hydras who answer for each other are not being genuine, because they don't actually know exactly what the other head was thinking, so their answer is made up).
And I haven't sniped at just one thing this game, I also said that your case on Reck was bullshit, which you neglected to mention, probably because it's true. For you to say that I've only got one point against you and attack me for that one point is a strawman.

We both were on at the same time. I didn't know you could do it but how do you expect 2 people on at the same time under the same account to confer about each others point and respond.
Also hello mr. vague. Why is anything you are painting scummy.

All you have is words. like scummy

ooooo look I can do that do.

everything this player is posting is scummy I'm not explaining why.


Lets do facts instead of fiction. Because you know I will look.
Do you as a hydra confer about every single thing you post in thread.

Yes or no.
Don't dodge

[the freekazoid]

1) I explained why I was town reading the spot so you acting like I did not is untrue.
2) I was in a game as a hydra and town in the large Harry potter mafia where yes my hydra partner awnser questions directed at me from time to time.
3) you are still using vague words instead of saying why it's scumny.
There is nothing in your post that says what advantage/reason anything is scummy that your claiming. All you repeated is x is scummy.
Where have you seen scum town read players based on what u said I did.
Where have you seen hydra's respond for each other and be scummy because I'll be happy to show you town hydra that does it and say it nulk fucking shit.
4) and final my scum read on reck is not about him being vague, it is his bitching about things, which I saw him do as scum in a game we were in. And based on his conversation. Thanks for proving you did not read my case though

[the freekazoid]

FTR this was the game reck through shitty post towards me as scum.

[the freekazoid]

Is that all you've got? It's not my fault I play on a site that likes a more challenging scumteam.

You've been on mafiascum for over a year. I've also checked your game history. You've never been in a mini game on mafiascum where there have been four scum on a team together. You should seriously know better than to think that 4 scum is the norm here. I think you did it for town cred.

You may have missed the memo based on the fact I post more.
But this is a hydra account.
Brantz posted one view and I posted the other.
Also since all you do is snip at one thing repeatedly without progressing reads further beyond one issue that is not scummy and you haven't explained what makes it scummy, my vote stands.

I don't believe you. You posted the first thing, then Mantis responded, then you posted the second thing attached to a response to her. If you're going to claim that you're answering for each other, be my guest, it only makes you scummier (hydras who answer for each other are not being genuine, because they don't actually know exactly what the other head was thinking, so their answer is made up).
And I haven't sniped at just one thing this game, I also said that your case on Reck was bullshit, which you neglected to mention, probably because it's true. For you to say that I've only got one point against you and attack me for that one point is a strawman.

Also if someone actually read the two post and full and read the part in bold

farside needs to explain which vote of killerjester's she found fearless, and why.

Skimmed the thread, scum is probably freekazoid/Grib/Sonic. Sonic for scumplaining, and the Jason vote is blech. Voting Jason for crappy meta but paying no attention to that one guy doing the same thing re: Reck? Yeah, Sonic is scum.
Grib is scum for fishing for town cred with his comment about 4 scum. There's no way we'd think he was scum after he botched the number of scum in a mini that badly, right? If he was scum, he'd know exactly how many scum there are... right?!

freekazoid is obvscum and should be lynched immediately.
This:

@Mantis:Having trouble coming up with town reads on your own? That is the only reason I can think of that you would need explicit reasons for why

my other head

posted town reads without them.

And this:

I don't care about town reads unless I'm scum reading the person.

Are

completely

contradictory. farside is trying to eat her cake both ways. Her Reck case is similarly trash. Nitpicking on Reck being vague for not stating exactly what he meant, when apparently it's a sin for Mantis to ask BRantz what his two unnamed, VAGUE townreads were, is total shit! It is completely ridiculous that she does not have a wagon on her right now, every post that farside makes is completely infested with hypocrisy, it's disgusting.

you would see who was responding to what pretty fucking easily.

[the freekazoid]

This:

@Mantis:Having trouble coming up with town reads on your own? That is the only reason I can think of that you would need explicit reasons for why my other head posted town reads without them.

And this:

I don't care about town reads unless I'm scum reading the person.

Are

completely

contradictory. farside is trying to eat her cake both ways. Her Reck case is similarly trash. Nitpicking on Reck being vague for not stating exactly what he meant, when apparently it's a sin for Mantis to ask BRantz what his two unnamed, VAGUE townreads were, is total shit! It is completely ridiculous that she does not have a wagon on her right now, every post that farside makes is completely infested with hypocrisy, it's disgusting.

So first of all, far isn't lying I did post the first one, and she posted the second. We both have pushed reck for his vagueness while yelling about how being vague is scummy. I don't like at all that you are resisting the attempts to progress the discussion past your initial points Krystal.

@killerjester: I am sorry for your loss.

[the freekazoid]

Crystal is at L2 already. And I may be stupid burn in notbreallynseeing a strong case on him. Can anyone scum up their case for him?

1) made up case
2) acting like the hydra was giving 2 seperate awnsers under the same thought when one sentence clearly says my other head in there
3) meta of mantis reveals amore carefree player if you want links let's me know
4) everything is scummy without explain why it's scummy.

Tell me what seems tow about the player.

[the freekazoid]

Town not tow.
Bleck

[the freekazoid]

Yes I did. You just ignored it twice now because it's the only thing you do this game.
Gee I wonder why I find it scummy that you keep going over and over the same point and ignore my response in full.
:rolleyes:

As for make, sure I can I can vote Jason again till he links the game he's half remembering and calling mantis town over.

[the freekazoid]

Oh and for those playing at home this is a newbgame that I see mantis and Jason played together.
Now class please review said game and point to any similarities in playstyle you see and let me know, because I see none.

[the freekazoid]

I'd also accept votes on Jason as scum for not being her to explain his reads of mantis and most likely if I had money he's probably still posting elsewhere just fine still.

Should I check to see bald?

[the freekazoid]

Well he he was online
But not posting.
That's kind of bizarre.

[the freekazoid]

i'll have to finish posting later, after work. i have to admit, i feel slightly bummed that a few people have made mention of me replacing in as a hydra.. i didn't think it would be that big of a deal.

sonic was the first to complain though, and he really very well could be scum.

the only thing i really have is that i like ika, jason, dragonspawn and klazam.

i did like grib, but nik thinks he's a bit scummy, so i'm taking that into account. that and i thought klazam made a good point on him in post 390.


...sorry if i was being rude in post 404


ABR - :I

The hypocrisy is strong with this one.
Makes a big deal on something small, but complains about others doing the same.

Fasinating.
Yawn.

[the freekazoid]

just quickly before i leave...

i am actually starting to get the feeling that you

may

be town... if wisdom was in this game, he'd shit on me for saying this --> but the amount that you're posting.. and quickness to speak.

i dunno. who else is scum to you besides jason and us?

Reck.
You know, the case you called shitty and I explained later how I see his game play similar to another game.
That case, still holds true there.

[the freekazoid]

ok why didnt the mod tell us your hydra names until today? There's a lot of shifty things going on in this game.

This is the second most worst discussion that reads pointless I've seen while on ms
Congrats on being my newest scum read.

Bald: I found your scum reasoning on us to be making a mountain out of a molehill. Every time I asked a question about why it was scummy you just bypassed the question and kept on the same tirade repeatedly.
What did you think of Jason's meta read on you based on the past newbie game? If you agree, what similarities do you see from it?

[the freekazoid]

Vote: recknor

Fake reads, fake drama, this is scum reck.

Also would vote abr and Jason.

Abr knows me pretty well about town and scum games. His scum read with no reasoning is not that typical from him.
Also all I see from dragon is more questions that go no where and just leads to more mindless questions.

[the freekazoid]

Vote: recknor

Does scumreck angry post as much as town reck?

I've only experienced raging reck as scum.

Like even now he's just getting pissy at a vote here.
While he blantantly ignores others.
He first gets pissy at those being vague but it is only certain players he argues with.
Did he question Abe? Nope.
Does he care about Jason's vagueness? Nope.
He's just trying to pick fights and not scum hunt at all. There is no town motive if he is selective in who can be vague and who can't and that is why he is fake.
Which I've called him before and was correct.

[the freekazoid]

Also if you read his most current post all he did was focus on a small sample of post but says nothing about the argument between myself and bald. This whole vague drama crap he throws only applies to certain people and that is why I use fake drama when I refer to his ranting.
If he cared that much he'd still everyone and if you read recks other games he gives two fucks about vague.

[the freekazoid]

freek, how come brantz isn't really posting?

Idk.
I said something in our qt and he didn't respond there. I sent him a pm and just noticed he hasn't been on ms since around the 24th. I'm going to give him till Tuesday. F he doesn't come around I'm just going to do the game under farside instead of hydra.

The recent game I played with reck was smalltown mini theme game where reck was town. I recall one other game reck was town in a large game but he had to replace out do to RL issues.

Why is prawn scum?

[the freekazoid]

freek, how come brantz isn't really posting?

Sorry I've been busier than expected. Will try hard to be more involved now that things have calmed down some.

@ABR: Are you going to play this game at all? You have not actually participated at all, unless you count being weirded out about not knowing who was in a hydra.

@Reck: Do you and farside just not get along? Every time she has said anything that even involves you you've flipped out about it.

@Prawn: What are your scum reads?

@Dragon: What about reck's recent posts is changing your mind?

@Klaz: How are your reads developing? What are your scum reads?

@Mod: ActionDan and JasonWazza haven't posted in over a week, can we get prods on them?

[the freekazoid]

farside always makes half-assed, frustratingly worded cases against me and it just pisses me off. It's hard for me to even know if she's being genuine or not.

I'm sorry I can't hear you over the freek is scum for stupid fucking reason mantra.

Anyone can just look at the link I provided in this game and see it is not "always" I can even post the game reck was scum I read him as town.

In short this is reck just discrediting anything I say without defending the case or explaining his scum read.

[the freekazoid]

holy shit I just got so fucking angry and exasperated reading your posts

SHUT THE FUCK UP

Okay so talk to me Reck, how can we work past whatever is there with you and farside? Do you want me to be the only hydra head to interact with you?

Hi AP, looking forward to your thoughts. You as well Dan.

@ABR: Why ika?

[the freekazoid]

hmm. I'm here, but i can't decide who i think is scum.

I don't like this post at all.

What are you doing to try to find scum reads?

I'm really starting to see why Reck wants this dead. I can tell that at some level, there must be a playstyle difference between me and FS (I assume most of these posts are FS), butttttt I reallllly don't like some of these darts shes chucking at people. To a degree it really feels like shes taking a shotgun and spraying stuff around to see what sticks. The comment about JasonWazza being on site but not posting really came off in a "Hey who wants to vote this, you totally know you think its scummy!!!!" way since she didn't take a direct stance on it herself. I actually kind of liked Klazam's post here since I think it shows a lack of slef-screening that scum would be more likely to employ and its clear hes not bulshitting anything. FS's response is to basically point out that he isn't being proactive without saying it and to draw attention to a post whose wording may look scummy objectively without addressing that.

Does it change your opinion of this to know its the other head (me, BRantz) who posted it? I got jumped all over in a game recently for making a joke about being "confused" early on, and this looked like a similar thing to me so I asked a question about it. I didn't push it any further because Klazam gave a decent answer to my question, at the very least it was honest, and that goes a long way in my book.

[the freekazoid]

In regards to AP's comment about my search on jason I searched his post because he stated the following.

Vote Count 1.2

Grib (3) - killerjester, xRECKONERx, ActionDan
Mantisdreamz (2) - the freekazoid, Sonic Heroes
Klazam (2) - Mantisdreamz, prawneater
killerjester (1) - dragonspawn
dragonspawn (1) - Grib
Not Voting (4) - Albert B. Rampage, Klazam, JasonWazza, ika

I was voting DragonSpawn at this point mod.

Reck/Dan/Jason/Mantis/prawneater: I lean town on some of you, lean scum on the others, but all of you are disgracefully contentless.

Work's been doing me in so yeah contentless is how i've been, should let up hopefully.

Honestly i glossed and most of this stuff is shit, and DS is still being pretty shit so yeah my vote stays.

I posted a fact that jason wasn't that busy.
As for noting it was weird he was online but not posting it always strikes me as scummy but I argued in a game with a player whom did the same thing and was town so I just find it weird because I wondered if he was coming online and not posting on purpose or if he just came online and got busy but then he never said anything here so it just seems weird.

[the freekazoid]

Kj or grib: when you get around can you give me your current read on dragon because I swear all I see is questions that lead nowhere and nothing really added to the game. I talked a bit with brantz but he hasn't responded.

[the freekazoid]

Ill be around in 5 hours. Reck did you lose faith in me :'((.

To answer AP. I'd place reck a notch lower than klazam on the town to scum sliding scale, without bias. The tirade against freek is the heart of the read. Reads righteously as it should.

Tell you what I will ask you to explain yourself better and when you do I'll tell you to stfu and you can explain how fucking righteous I am about.

vote: Abr

Would also vote dragon or AP.
I'm just putting reck on ignore for the rest of the game.

[the freekazoid]

This game is so friggin boring, town is all over the place, no consensus, no pressure, we're all just waiting for something to happen but nothing will so time goes by and we're waiting for the deadline scramble.

Mr. Humbug scum how about rather then gut and complaining you explain who is scum with an actual reason behind or be lynched.

[the freekazoid]

Not that it was asked of me but I think grib is town.
I told brantz I was feeling better about kb. Initially when the hydra changed methods in how they were scum hunting I wondered if they did so because I brought up how different their method was to the game jason referred to and I didn't recall them making any response about Jason's meta read.
As the game progressed I started liking kb's thought process.

I'm not sure about praen, I recall a couple of post that read town.
My issue with Abr, even when he gets lazy, his reads tend to have a sense about them and he talks about people's posting slightly.
Here he just called kb scum and myself, while we are arguing and none of that makes sense from what was going on.
It's more then lazy. It's senseless.

[the freekazoid]

KB, I don't care about associative tells on D1. Ever. Plus I've seen scum do just about fucking everything to each other so I'd never rule things out entirely off of anything like that.

And I certainly have no sympathy for your view point that you can't be scum with prawn or freekazoid, come on. That you've used that as a point against 2 people now is absurd.

Yeah because you've sern pages and pages of scum fighting with each other.

I believe that only if you linked it happening on day 1.
Till then your reads are a stretch.
And your case against the hydra is simply omgus. acting like calling someone as a liar is a scumtell......I just have no words to describe how faulty your case was. I can't imagine the huge gags of reading and I agreed with praen when he said you basically called players scum then used made up reasons that no one with half a brain would really call scummy.

That is as nicely as I can put it. And I think town you would have better reasons to scum read people....or should I meta that and find out?

[the freekazoid]

I agree with Kj.

Vote: dragon

I mean seriously the guy has asked people there thought process then just jumps on the praen wagon offering nothing in return.

Also Kj you can forget trying to say anything to AP he's scum pushing at me and when I gave him a rebuttle, ignores it and hope others will all why saying the same thing over and over again.

[the freekazoid]

The rebuttle to AP's case that was ignored.

In regards to AP's comment about my search on jason I searched his post because he stated the following.

Vote Count 1.2

Grib (3) - killerjester, xRECKONERx, ActionDan
Mantisdreamz (2) - the freekazoid, Sonic Heroes
Klazam (2) - Mantisdreamz, prawneater
killerjester (1) - dragonspawn
dragonspawn (1) - Grib
Not Voting (4) - Albert B. Rampage, Klazam, JasonWazza, ika

I was voting DragonSpawn at this point mod.

Reck/Dan/Jason/Mantis/prawneater: I lean town on some of you, lean scum on the others, but all of you are disgracefully contentless.

Work's been doing me in so yeah contentless is how i've been, should let up hopefully.

Honestly i glossed and most of this stuff is shit, and DS is still being pretty shit so yeah my vote stays.

I posted a fact that jason wasn't that busy.
As for noting it was weird he was online but not posting it always strikes me as scummy but I argued in a game with a player whom did the same thing and was town so I just find it weird because I wondered if he was coming online and not posting on purpose or if he just came online and got busy but then he never said anything here so it just seems weird.

Way to ignore the counter point that actual stated why the case was bad.

[the freekazoid]

If you want an example of you looking for something just to make a case I will refer to this here

You basically quoted one post and bitched about my attack on jason.
That's it in a vacuum of multiple things said in the game.

But sure I'll check to see if you have issues when players search for lurkers who claim they are too busy to post.

[the freekazoid]

That isn't even a counterpoint.

You lofted that observation out there in hopes that someone would find it scummy.

The fact that you now claim it doesn't mean anything ...doesn't meant anything.

How the duck is that not a counter point?
There was a convo that happened.
Maybe you chose to ignore it but jason flarking said he was too busy, I looked to see it was untrue.
I asked kb about jason because Jason meta defense was crap. Look at the link I provided and tell me how I'm wrong.
So I suspect Jason and kb from the start.

[the freekazoid]

I'm now going to link a post from AP

here

I use think link to show AP when he was town calling out a player online and stating they were scum.
So I'm more curious then ever why my call out is scummy.

[the freekazoid]

Yes. I explicitly thought Jargonaut was scum. So I called him out on it.

Your call out of Jason was non-committal. If you had actually called him scummy for it I wouldnt be giving a shit, because some people (yourself evidently) DO use lurking as a scumtell. Or do you? Since you've now backtracked into saying that is was just interesting and not necessarily scummy.

Its pretty bizarro land that you are actually digging through all my games to try and find an incident where I commented on someone's activity. A+ for effort, scumbag.

I did call jason scummy for posting elsewhere and lying about it.

We both know there is a difference between active posting and logging on and not posting....,or do I need to quote you from another game where someone asked you if you thought it was odd a player was online but not posting?

[the freekazoid]

VOTE: dragonspawn

I hear bullshit

You need to come back and explain your reads.

Also AP, why are you okay with ABR's lack of explaining things and what did you think of kb's meta of abr?

[the freekazoid]

What is the name you were given?

I'm sure someone in here can tell me if character means anything

[the freekazoid]

I don't think kb is scum.
Would rather lynch AP or Abr.

[the freekazoid]

I maybe crazy but I think sonic vote bothers me the most.

[the freekazoid]

Fucking 6 hour left I need someone here on Easter Sunday to pow wow with.....

Prawn: why is kb scum in your view?

[the freekazoid]

I have issues voting for players I town read.
This game has been so much of a crap feast with some bad cases and lots of lurking.

Sigh

[the freekazoid]

Don't expecte to follow that

[the freekazoid]

Like throw me a bone or something goddamn. Who's actually here right now? List the people you'd be cool with lynching today. We still have some time to make this work.

Klazam, AP, or KB for me

Vote: ap

[the freekazoid]

@freek

Mantis's 241 was bullshit. KB's 339 was bullshit.

Her scumreads are pretty much just the people who voted her because her early posts sucked.

Prawn: they moved passed those reads. I mean currently she's voting you but what kb said after our argument rings true to me.
I think Jason's meta read in her was crap. There is no comparison and I think it was buddying.
AP's scum read is just about how One quote and that is it. He's harping on the same shot repeatedly.
That my friend is a scum tell

[the freekazoid]

Well this is where I stand.
Would lynch: AP, Abr, reck or sonic.

[the freekazoid]

I'll take a look at ABR but I'm pretty sure he was giving me townvibes the last time I tried to read him. What scummy things has he done?

Called 2 players scum for no reason and ABR knows both my town and scum game. Him calling me scum is highly questionable.
His bitching about the game state while offering nothing in return.....what makes him town read?

[the freekazoid]

That's because it is your only fucking point you made and that said shit fucking all with my rebuttle.
When I call you out on it you pick one fucking quote out of many to fucking comment about and then say nothing to be again when I rebuff you.

It fucking happened more then once this game day.
Your shitty fucking case. I rebut.
You push scum read with responding back.
I point out issues about it.
You mock me.
I rebut.
You ignore.
Wash, rinse, repeat

[the freekazoid]

That's because it is your only fucking point you made and that said shit fucking all with my rebuttle.
When I call you out on it you pick one fucking quote out of many to fucking comment about and then say nothing to be again when I rebuff you.

It fucking happened more then once this game day.
Your shitty fucking case. I rebut.
You push scum read

without

responding back.
I point out issues about it.
You mock me.
I rebut.
You ignore.
Wash, rinse, repeat

Fixed

[the freekazoid]

So rather than consolidating behind the existing wagon of prawn, there is a mad rush to start up a new wagon with less than six hours.

why is that? I'll tell you.

because prawn is scum. Do you think the scum would be hesitating to close on that lynch otherwise?

we caught one of the scum if we can just close the noose around his neck.

[the freekazoid]

That's because it is your only fucking point you made and that said shit fucking all with my rebuttle.
When I call you out on it you pick one fucking quote out of many to fucking comment about and then say nothing to be again when I rebuff you.

It fucking happened more then once this game day.
Your shitty fucking case. I rebut.
You push scum read

without

responding back.
I point out issues about it.
You mock me.
I rebut.
You ignore.
Wash, rinse, repeat

Fixed

As I said here we go again.
Rebuttle from me.
AP ignores.

[the freekazoid]

As I said here we go again.
Rebuttle from me.
AP ignores.

oh my god.

I'm not going to talk to someone who constantly misreps and strawmans my content.

Especially not with like 2 hours left before the Day ends.

Arguing with scum is not on the docket.

Sorry posting from hydra, back and forth, I forgot which account was logged in.

[the freekazoid]

i'm a confirmable role, heads up.

Don't particularly mind being lynched so I can being never playing a game with farside again though.

This isn't even a freeking claim.

As for your gripe about me.
I'll tell you what I tell everyone else.
This is mafia
Player make cases.
People are supposed to engage one another.
If your going to sit there saying you have this great case and keep belittle my case I have something not hard to tell you.
No one thought your case was compelling.

No one.

That is fact.

So please don't theow shit at me because I find you scummy.
I find your case scummy and so far all your counter point is you just disagree.

Klaz: explain that town read based on a non claim.

[the freekazoid]

Rn its prawn as #1, and grib second

Then one of the lurkers/shitposters

I accept this proposal.

VOTE: prawneater

I'll take my scum reads I've got. Thanks.

[the freekazoid]

Meh I'm just bothered by dragon because I saw the mod asking for a replacement today and wonder what the flark was up with that.

[the freekazoid]

Meh I'm just bothered by dragon because I saw the mod asking for a replacement today and wonder what the flark was up with that.

A replacement for dragon?

Yeah I saw it in the replacement queue today.

[the freekazoid]

If prawn is town I want AP's fucking claim on a platter whether I'm dead or alive day 2



Also Abr needs a serious kick or he's scum.

Also someone kick the sonic hydra.

Ebwop and ika the hammer enters.

[the freekazoid]

No one.

That is fact.

So please don't theow shit at me because I find you scummy.
I find your case scummy and so far all your counter point is you just disagree.

Klaz: explain that town read based on a non claim.

There is nothing for us to talk about.

Im not the one posting videos attacking your character that are irrelevant to the game.

I find your case/posts scummy and you haven't said anything relevant tht may change my mind.

Lets spare everybody more horseshit unless you actually want my opinion on something.

You've basically say there and ignored everything I said this game.
So if I have to post a vid to get you to respond to me instead on constantly ignoring me I'll do it.

But sure being vague suits you this game.
Keep it up.

[the freekazoid]

Grib: I hope I'm wrong about prawn.

[the freekazoid]

I maybe crazy but I think sonic vote bothers me the most.

ya i'm thinking him to be scum. i might have just got too paranoid of AP. but being that i think prawn is the scum for sure.. AP's "finnne, i'll vote prawn" post, looked questionable. but, i think i'd like to move sonic into the scum slot instead of AP. i still think grib is scum too.

Seriously ABR scum. If I could bet i would bet on him being scum this game.

[the freekazoid]

have you guys noticed that grib has been focused on ika way too much?

No.

But if so why is that scummy? I tend to poke at people I can read well.

[the freekazoid]

I'm a bit thrown off by ABR flip.
Brantz and I spoke during night and he said AP was a town read for him.
So I'm going to reread a few things and see what I can figure out.

[the freekazoid]

Well I told brantz he can deal with the more volatile personalities in the game since I tend to get pissy.

As for my brief review. The vote on praen I dislike the most is klaz. It's a pretty weak vote with reasoning.
Still don't like sonic either. Ms is usually a little more active then this. I know anti has been busy.

sonic hero

I can get a better case together in the AM.

[the freekazoid]

there also appears to be a weird role in play, that allows 2 people to be neighbours for a day

That's cool.

Depending who got neighborized I suggesting questioning the person.

[the freekazoid]

I had grib in my town pile day 1.

Right now I have sonic and klaz scum while I'm trying to figure out a few things.
I still have a scum read on dragon.
Just a lot of pointless questions.
I'm just thinking of letting that one work it's self out for now.

I like kb, Dan, Kj for town currently.
I like AP's entrance and thoughts for day 2 and I'm starting to revise my read on reck. I'm just going to but him as null because I have trust issues with him.

I sort of feel ika if he's not into the game should replace out.

[the freekazoid]

ika - don't be mad

give me one good reason why i shouldnt....

Who could possibly be mad after looking at this. SO ADORABLE!

I am okay with the AP claim. I can see no reason scum would try to gambit like that with a vig giver already revealed, and I had a town read on him at the end of yesterday anyway.

ika your rage feels super fake considering i have no fucking clue where it's coming from

I agree with this. ika if you need to take some time away from the game due to other things I get it, but I've never seen you seething with no pressure on you before.

Farside and I are pretty much on the same page reads wise, but I am nervous about Dan, talking to her about her town read there. I'm good with a Sonic Heroes vote.

VOTE: Sonic Heroes

[the freekazoid]

nope! This slot is obvtown. Only scum would push here

There is nothing obvious town about your slot.

AP: when I look at VCA I look at the lynched slot.
If you recall in the mini game that just ended, lost room, I was talking with wis and gm saying there was at least one scum one the wagon, which was klaz in that game.

I typically look at who voted, why the player voted for them and who was pushing what.
It was also why in that game ooba read scummy because his reason for switching was so awful.


As for my readsi told brantz I still lean more on sonic/klaz.
He thinks Dan is scummy. I'm leaning on dragon as scum because of all the pointless questions that go no where.

[the freekazoid]

There is nothing obvious town about your slot.

yes there is. only scum would push me. easy push easy lynch. free kill.

if all the town agree to not lynch me then the scum will not have free kill

i think that i am obviously town and all of the town should be able to see this. there is 0 scum motivation to my play.

i think the scum will play better than me. so that they can lynch me. because scum is fun.

Sonic I've only seen your town games.
I've sat there and defended you when you do dumb fucking shit.
This game you've been riding so fucking far low I barely recall you being around.

So who is scum and why. Don't give the scum pushing garbage because that's bs and you know it.

[the freekazoid]

Ya. Sometimes I have sympathy for people saying they ate obvtown. But given the lack of effort or anything from both of them, that is horseshit.

That said..

Let us see if this works

VOTE: Reckoner

If you are looking for me to sheep, you are pulling at my heart and not at my head with that vote.

I've seen town and scum say the obvious town crap thing before, till MS or Anti tells me something that gets me to believe they are town I'm scum reading the duo.

[the freekazoid]

I'm more reading Reck scum for day 1 and null for day 2.
His day 1 reminded me of him as scum in a game I referenced already.
His day 2 seems more casual, but I found his sudden follow of SH pretty weird seeing he said this about the spot day 1:

yea D1 sucks :\ sry

also another game started at the same time and im just like... life, plz stop

KJ's whole AHA I AM LE GENIUS XD post is gross

anti asking me to sheep him is giving me tingly vibes. also doesn't help anti keeps being scum in games against me

and uhhhh idk what's up with mantis can someone tldr

ika: I wouldn't mind a link to the game you are referring to.

[the freekazoid]

Hey AP why are you voting me though

probably because he is scum with sonic, and is being greedy and wanting another town lynch, before sonic inevitably goes down

Is this nik?


If you want to know why the wagon is stagnant you:
1) have grib asking a rediculous question
2) dragon hemming and hawing about nothing special
3) Dan voting for the Bp and no one else is interested in that
4) ap pushing people for a reck read
5) flailing sh that thinks calling themselves obvious town while doing no fucking scum hunting will make people think they are stupid instead of scum.

Let me know if I missed anything as to why the wagon is stalling.

[the freekazoid]

Reading through KJ's iso makes me think he probably wasn't buddies with Dragon? He was calling for dragons lynch through most of his posts.

[the freekazoid]

We got the neighborize inn with X today.

[the freekazoid]

I too reread the ISO from Kj.
He mentions almost everyone in the game.
I noted he said he had a scum read on klaz but no mention of why.
I think that he stayed out of saying anything notable about reck or ika makes me think one is scum.
I also think Kj was saying exactly what he thought so I disagree with brantz and still think dragon maybe scum.

[the freekazoid]

Yah dragon your game play has been soooo town I must be wrong. (Sarcasm in case you missed it) your claim is not alignment indictive.

[the freekazoid]

I'm going with my heart this time.

Vote: reck

[the freekazoid]

Am I the only one who thinks freek is being really quiet right now?

Quiet how? Everyone in the game was kind of waiting on Tere, and everyone's posting lagged because of it this weekend. I like Tere's entrance.

@Reck, I still feel you are mildly town (other head), but would like to know your reads? The longer you keep ignoring people asking for them the more I question you. I am going to let Far's vote for our slot sit for the time being.

[the freekazoid]

You think I'm town, but you're willing to let your slot's vote sit on me because....?

So you're actually voting for a town read. WHat the shit?

Its responses like this to a legitimate request that make me okay with the vote.

[the freekazoid]

Fine, but what is so hard for you about giving your reads on people?

[the freekazoid]

You have been asked by multiple people (not just us) for them at this point.

[the freekazoid]

@KB: Not much at the moment, its pretty quiet there.

[the freekazoid]

I'm kind of glossing over things these past few days.
The one thing I hate about hydra is logging in and out of accounts, don't ask me why.
I'll have a full thought process either tomorrow or Thursday.

The one thing I noted is basically the scum read on our spot is based solely on my town read of Kj and everything else we posted means nothing.
Fasinating.

Last I checked dragon was complaining about scum reading him but directed only against us. I told brantz the fact others are doing the same and he literally ignores them comes off as scummy because it reads as fake disgust then.
In still happy with my reck vote.
His scum reads are what exactly?
Anyone?
I also questioned tere's glad between us and kb, last I check kb wasn't a scum read so that post reads as trying to push one lynch over the other, again based on a town read and meta....I try not to laugh at the meta reference as I replaced in the game which of course will read differently because when I'm involved and people push me I react.
Maybe if tere had more then one game reference I'd say ok let's talk. I don't recall tere being a meta person so I'll research into that later too.

[the freekazoid]

Whatever you say scummy butt.

[the freekazoid]

Let me get this straight, you do absolutely nothing different day one then i just did ika and you have the audacity to get upset when I call you guys out on doing nothing? Seriously?

I asked if anyone noticed freek hasn't said anything and its ignored. They, on cue, come in and post a few fluff posts and its like I never asked anything.

I was on kj for a majority of day one, you guys ignore it and lo and behold he is scum. Shocking I know.

you guys rush lynch sonic when it was fairly obvious from the lack of any opposition beside myself that he was going to flip town.

its freakin obvious tere is town from the substance she posted and yet despite doing some great posts we spend the last several pages distracting from that and people still wanting to lynch her.

tell me, after the last few days of pitiful lynched, why are we still letting Krystal control the discussion?

moreover, why the heck is any townie acting like I was scummy to claim when I did when I was the main wagon and we were three hours before a lynch? A question iced multiple times and been ignored.

why the heck is anyone town reading action Dan at this point? He has provided absolutely nothing to this point, parked his vote on a claimed pr, and said about two things today with no substance. I can understand null reading him or not thinking he is scum but his actions sure as heck aren't town

do you guys seriously think kj was the only scum vote on sonic yesterday? If you don't why not pay more attention to the wagon?

seriously lets get this town together and start actually putting some pressure on some good targets.

That's because your wrong. We've posted once a day at least since this game day started.
Have I been that active as I was day 1 and 2, no. Was I doing something this past weekend and been busy these last few days yes.
I'm sorry I had a life.
While all you've done is vote Kj day 1 because....
I'm sorry I missed that big scum tell while you sit doing nothing but bitching or asking pointless questions.


*bitch side off*

We are in the inn with Dan.
All he said was he'd post more when the mafia team thing was done.

In the meantime I'm going to bed.

*i will not be snarky*
*i will not be snarky*
*i will not be snarky*
*i will not be snarky*

Maybe.

[the freekazoid]

Tere is not town,if I have to do meta research tonight to see if this behavior is normal tonight I will be pissed.

[the freekazoid]

Tere is not town,if I have to do meta research tonight to see if this behavior is normal tonight I will be pissed.

convince me why, cus i can link you to her scum game here and a town game here

When has town Tere asked anyone to Gladiate or have a defeatist behavior or mock player.

I'll tell you for fact in my new just now research I looked Tere and Gladiate and this is the first time she wanted players to only those 2.
Now why is this scummy you might ask.
Because players tend to behave a certain way or at least at some point think having 2 players up for lynch only when trying to "figure them out" would have done it in the past.
As I said the Tere I played was more about breaking stategy and figuring players out.
This
This is just crap posting.

[the freekazoid]

Tere is not town,if I have to do meta research tonight to see if this behavior is normal tonight I will be pissed.

Is that Farside? The answer's important.

Snarky one is always farside (aka me)

[the freekazoid]

I'm just going to grumble and keep my vote on reck.
If he's town, I'm giving up and telling brantz I have no fucking clue any more

[the freekazoid]

@Tere: I think calling it lurking is a gross overstatement. It would also help you to know that I try very hard not to be "snarky" in forum mafia because I tend to go full asshole when I do (ika is the only person who has seen me do it, at least if he was still reading that newbie game when I did), and I don't really like playing like that. Sometimes that leads to people feeling like my posting is calculated, and I get that. But now that I don't want to just yell about everything that was going on earlier. Lets chat next time we are both around. (Also in case it wasn't obvious this is the BRantz head)

[the freekazoid]

Kb: you asked me about who was scum with reck. I still have my doubts about Tere.
Dragon is still there as a nagging beast of uselessness.

[the freekazoid]

Farside ^

[the freekazoid]

*shakes head* Well I am really glad Tere came in and self destructed the game...

[the freekazoid]

mac/reck scum team with outside shot of dragon

I am thinking the same.

What is with thinking reck is scum, seeing a wagon on him but no vote.

[the freekazoid]

Dragon: why did you not call out Tere for calling you scumny too?

Right now as I understand you point it's day 1 interaction and is calling you scum.
That is all you've said day 3.

As for posting, no one is posting much.
Mac, reck, us, you so please take your mute points that can be associated with others or get out of the tunnel it would be maybe something I wouldn't call scummy about you.

I can't tell if it you tunnel or just pushing the same shitty point repeatedly as scum honestly.

Reck wtf has reck done that's town? No scum reads to really push. Argued about shitty useless crap day 1.
Pushing, analysising, thinking of some sort....no.

[the freekazoid]

Okay....
I may misread but it seems you called only me and Mac scum for scum reading you.

Also since you feel like being up a weak case.
I'll address yours.

VOTE: freek

I don't like his reasoning for the sonic vote and his townreading of kj. Figure its a place to start.

Basically your reasoning says nothing at all about what you dislike or why.

The only thing you said during the whole thing about sonic was this

The lack of opposition on Sonics wagon bothers me.

Which is again you saying next to nothing.

So when I see some saying there is a weak case and I see its you I want to call you a hypocrite first, vote you second for still doing nothing.

[the freekazoid]

@dragon: You never said anything about the sonic wagon except what I quoted.

Why would I agree with you when I'm town?


You also thought reck was scum at one point and klaz so?
Why not vote for reck? What has he done day 3 to look for scum?
You want my blood? Vote him, if he's town then lynch me, he's scum I'm dead anyways.

[the freekazoid]

All that said Mac isn't saying too much in the neighborhood inn.
He asked about AP.
I asked him why he voted dragon vs reck.

[the freekazoid]

UNVOTE: whoever i'm voting VOTE: krystal bald

seems overly town to a forced level when reading backwards. Haven't read all yet though.

Wtf

I'm waiting for Mac to come back.

[the freekazoid]

Looking through Mac posting record I wouldnt be shocked if he flipped scum,.

Vote: Mac

Changed my mind about waiting.

[the freekazoid]

Looking through Mac posting record I wouldnt be shocked if he flipped scum,.

Vote: Mac

Changed my mind about waiting.

This feels weird.

Mac attacks your primary vote (me) and then you vote Mac.

You think he's bussing?

He didn't vote you and is pushing more I. Dragon so....


@mac: I just saw before you v/la you were being active around ms and I felt like you were avoiding this game.

Unvote
Vote: reck

I'm back to scum reading that Tere spit with rmm take over.

[the freekazoid]

I kinda blanked out on this game for the last few days. Will catch up this evening when I get home from my brother's birthday dinner.

-BRantz

[the freekazoid]

Looking through Mac posting record I wouldnt be shocked if he flipped scum,.

Vote: Mac

Changed my mind about waiting.

This feels weird.

Mac attacks your primary vote (me) and then you vote Mac.

You think he's bussing?

He didn't vote you and is pushing more I. Dragon so....


@mac: I just saw before you v/la you were being active around ms and I felt like you were avoiding this game.

Unvote
Vote: reck

I'm back to scum reading that Tere spit with rmm take over.

wth? I can't even follow this

Sorry.

That should say.
Mac was pushing on dragon more then you.

[the freekazoid]

I had a crazy tilmfoil hat theory at one point.

I had a scum read on Tere and rmm has made no better an impression them Tere did.

I think this needs to be pushed.

Vote: rmm

[the freekazoid]

Why is that a crazy tinfoil hat theory?

Part of my crazy theory involves ika.

[the freekazoid]

Sigh

No one likes my theories and it's just something I started to formulate and then tossed out because reck has been a scum read on day 1.

The thought started with the Tere/ika interaction. I found it very odd. Ika was the one Tere reached out to but when grib tried the same he got rebuffed by ika.
There's play was emotional for no reason and it was the only time ika bothered to post at all. Plus I've come to realize that ika hasn't been hammer happy this game. His lack of comments this game and meta is so off of what I've seen from ika I started thinking the 2 were scum together.

[the freekazoid]

Sorry that took a bit longer than planned. Caught up now. I am very okay with our vote on RMM. He has added literal no content to the game since replacing in.

@ika, talk to me about why this isn't the same as your lurking in other games we've been in together where you were scum (specific reference is Uncouth). I am starting to get the same vibe, tell me why this is different.

[the freekazoid]

Mac at least tried to build a case against DS. RMM has said nothing at all. I think he is certainly more egregious here, but I'm not sold on Mac not being scum. Just agree with farside's vote.

[the freekazoid]

How long do we have until deadline?

[the freekazoid]

Alright, I am okay with Mac as well. Not a huge fan of his sheeping us here.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Mac

L-1. Its all yours Reck.

[the freekazoid]

Freek why did you put him at L1 with no warning knowing reck was going to hammer?

Krystal why did you change your vote?

Freek calling this guy scummy as shit.

First bitching about wanting to lynch Mac, now bitching that he's been lynched

Grumble

[the freekazoid]

We got a second scum good.

Bussing your buddy at the end freek?

VOTE: freek

lol, this is the worst vote I've ever seen.

[the freekazoid]

After your freakout about "OMG I can't believe you guys lynched Mac, how could you possibly do this?!" You read as fake as fake can be Dragon.

But Farside doesn't seem to think you are scum. So I won't vote you for now. Consider my vote to be on you pending talking to her.

[the freekazoid]

I'm going to save us all a little bit of time here and claim.

We are Savannah Highmane, Town Tracker.

N1 we tracked ABR.

N2 we tracked Grib, he visited you that night KB.

N3 we tracked RMM, and he went nowhere.

Mislynch us if you must, but you are acting extremely foolish here.

[the freekazoid]

This head (BRantz) really thinks its dragonspawn given his freakout about the lynch at the end of yesterday, and follow up today of trying to spin it on us. I am waiting to hear from farside on whether she agrees, or has other ideas.

[the freekazoid]

ebwop: Because she said at the end of yesterday she didn't think it could be Dragonspawn based on his interactions with the two flipped scum.

[the freekazoid]

I am willing to admit I have possible confirmation bias about dragonspawn's actions today, which is why I want her opinion first (before voting).

[the freekazoid]

unvote

Any crumbs anywhere?

No.
I don't do crumbs.

Brantz and I disagree about you.
I don't see a scum motive to push your lynch the way Mac/Dan did yesterday.
I didn't like your response because when you have been pushing me or Mac all day it seemed like you were setting up our mislynch with you knowing Mac was going to flip.

Just for full disclosure.
Abr went no where
Grib went to check Krystal
Rmm went no where.

I told brantz Krystal's vote was pretty scummy on us.

[the freekazoid]

So this is where I stand.
AP confirm not scum by shooting Kj
Rmm confirm town because he went no where last night
I think based on pushes dragon is town, brantz disagree's.

So it's either reck or Krystal ball as scum.

Here is what I'm thinking.
Scum want me dead at this point and with confirm town rmm would be killed once I flip town.
At the very least let me track either reck or kb and if we are lucky I'll either be dead or get results

[the freekazoid]

I don't think AP is a SK. If he was well I want to leave that comment unopened.
Maybe mass claim time?

[the freekazoid]

Oh I told brantz I still think reck is scum.

[the freekazoid]

Freek, why did you check out rmm last night?

I thought Tere was scummy. The behavoir from her was not what I had ever seen.
Brantz wanted to follow you.

[the freekazoid]

Well it looks like to me that KB is making up stories to push our lynch.

vote: KB

Also I would fine now with our lynch now that KB has confirmed himself as scum

[the freekazoid]

You know because KB can't win now as scum once we flip town.

The hydra will be out of excuses on who to lynch and why after today.

Just saying.

[the freekazoid]

Well it looks like to me that KB is making up stories to push our lynch.

vote: KB

Also I would fine now with our lynch now that KB has confirmed himself as scum

OK then go ahead and self-vote please.

I don't do that as town.

X

But go ahead and convince others why voting us over you makes sense giving the claim

[the freekazoid]

now you have somewhere to fake put your vote!

Yes because I said after the claim it was between you and reck.

My vote looks totally fake.

[the freekazoid]

Ok so we have 6 players alive.

AP: Fire elemental, 1-shot Vig
Freek: Savannah Highmane, Tracker
Dragonspawn: Shieldbot, 1-shot? BP
Rational: ???, VT? <- visited nobody on night 3
Reck: Neighborizor based on POE
KB: VT (saw grib visit them)
Did I miss KB's claim at some point? Also I got neighborized last night along with Reck. So one of Reck/KB is pretty clearly a nehighborizer.

Fixed and this will help if we are lynched today.

[the freekazoid]

I'm not sure how you got ika as town confirmed though.

The main point is that the Grib kill was a fantastic shot and I don't think that scum would have killed him if they did not have an investigative result on him.
I also believe that the ika kill was very strange, since he claimed both VT and that he didn't give a shit about the game, and he wasn't confirmed town. The only way that kill makes sense is if the scum is coming from the perspective that ika is 100% confirmed town.
Those two reasons are why I think that freek tracked Grib to ika night one.

Again making up shit to save yourself.

The town would want to keep those who can confirm others alive and not try to keep lynching them.

So basically you have to kill RMM or AP because both are confirmed and get it between you, reck and DP.

Where will you go after that KB?
Where?

All you have is stories and theories to push a tracker lynch, that is why you look like scum.

[the freekazoid]

So you think he is a scum tracker?

We please.

Not he. I'm a girl and since I'm here and online and feeling spirited I will correct you on that.

[the freekazoid]

Just to make more of a point.

I was telling brantz that KB was a bit more of a scum read because we tracked grib to them.
Plus with KJ's flipping scum their freek out over us calling the spot town reads as someone with inside info that know's the players alignment isn't town and is trying to use that knowledge to link us together for the future.

But yeah just keep that in mind too.

[the freekazoid]

Spoiler: Setup spec done in memory of ika

Green is town vanilla, orange is town power role, red is mafia. Italics is confirmed power, bold is dead.

Player	Role	Flavour	Actions
xRECKONERx	?	?	?
Krystal Bald	Townie	Millhouse Manastorm	-
dragonspawn	1-shot Bulletproof	Shielded Minibot	-
the freekazoid	Tracker	Savannah Highmane	Tracked ABR nowhere night one, tracked Grib to KB night two, tracked RM nowhere night three
AngryPidgeon	1-shot Vigilante	Fire Elemental	Manablocked night one, shot killerjester night two
RationalMadman	Townie	?	Confirmed town
prawneater	Vigilante Giver	Dark Iron Dwarf	Lynched day one
Albert B. Rampage	Townie	Shieldmaiden	Killed night one
Sonic Heroes	Townie	Micro Machine	Lynched day two
Grib	Cop	Nerubian Egg	Killed night two
killerjester	Roleblocker	Loatheb	Manablocked AngryPidgeon night one, killed night two
Mac	Goon	Gadgetzan Auctioneer	Lynched day three
ika	Townie	Big Game Hunter	Killed night three

Unclaimed: Neighborized SH And RM night zero, neighborized RM and KB night one, neighborized freekazoid and Mac night two, neighborized AP and Reck night three

I'll save my setup spec for later, after Reck & RM claim.

1) please link where you saw night 0 claim neighborize duo
2) how did you know reck and AP were neighborizorized before the claim by reck?

@dragon: I wasn't saying that. I was trying to saw that when I tracked grib to kb I was thinking kb was scum.

[the freekazoid]

I'm waiting for rmm to confirm what kb stated.

[the freekazoid]

Dragon what happens if RMM shows up and tells you we are lying, then you lynch us and we flip exactly as we stated? I am more in agreement with farside that you aren't scum given the last little bit, but if you can't see how hard KB is flailing right now I can't help you.

Also, I am of the opinion that there is no way Reck is scum at this point. I don't think Farside and I will ever agree on that though.

@AP: We were invited to the Inn as well. I was sort of assuming that it was random who went to the Inn each day personally.

[the freekazoid]

AP: how is it that you never pushed the idea of dragon as scum before this with your role and the vig giver known since day freeking 1?
Also why is kb speculating garbage even possibly town in your view?
Finally and most important.
How is it you claim one shot vig, say you used it night 1 and was blocked and still can shot night 2?
1 shot was used night 1 if your claim is fact

[the freekazoid]

Dragon: please ask the mod if you would be told if you were shot during the night

[the freekazoid]

mod: I'm dissolving the freek hydra

Cancel this request.

[the freekazoid]

it's very irritating.

there is no reason to not hammer DS

1)it's not lynch or lose,
2)since there is no neigbourizer claim, DS is very probably that role. esp since he is the only one who HAS NOT been neighbourized.
3)he claimed bulletproof, would be a great thing to claim as scum, with a 1 shot vig, and a vig giver this game.

^3 great reasons to hammer


i do not understand in the slightest why freek would not have hammered. rather then inconveniencing the mod and now the replacement.

I think your scum
I think your lying
If jingle catches up and says no one told you jack fucking shit about night 0 your caught scum I don't have to argue with.

Nothing your saying matters other then you know dragon is town and don't want to be lynched.

aP is probably sk

[the freekazoid]

Yeah that was farside. I agree with her at this point that KB is almost certainly scum. I don't know why she thinks you are an SK though AP, though if KB gets lynched and is scum, and the game is still going then I think she has to be right.

[the freekazoid]

Ok, KB appears to be in Inn #2 which I only just got access to. Fascinatingly, Klaz appears to have not mentioned that Anti was in the first PT. (Inn #1) I'm not sure why.

As an aside, like 60% of the first PT was wondering why it's called an inn, which I can explain. OP for hearthstone, (Which I've run despite not playing the game) is run by Innkeepers and is called meeting at an inn or something along those lines. I... Don't think that's gonna matter, but given that my flavor is a card I'm gonna guess that the inn thing is a setup mechanic and not a player.

Ctrl F of N0 on the PT with KB in it gives one instance of Night Zero which is in a chart that says klaz + SH got neighborized in the cell after it in a chart labeled unexplained actions.

I don't know what that has to do with anything.

Looking at this last couple of pages, I kinda want to lynch farside, for 1628, but I have no idea if that's a sane want.

Just in case:

UNVOTE:

Now is there any legitimate reason to suspect an SK? Cause I don't really see SK and Vig inventor in the same setup as reasonable. Nvm, just realized doublekill on N2.

What's the case on KB or dragon (lynx, please)?

KB, is there a specific post in the PT you've referenced? If you give me a post number, I can paraphrase if you'd like. My first instinct looking at your PT posts is town, given you seemed to be scumhunting from the word Go, at least in there.

Jingle: did klaz say he was in the inn at all to kb.
The reason this is important is kb claimed she knew about klaz being targetted was he told her.
Also no one is claiming to have neighborized anyone.

As for my post, this game has been dragging ass.
My theory about the sk is more so AP wanting to lynch dragon when he's had very little to say about dragon as scum.