Corpse Party Mafia [WRONG END]

White Narcissus · Post Post #7 (isolation #0) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:15 am

VOTE: thor and loki

policy, too dangerous if scum

White Narcissus · Post Post #8 (isolation #1) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:16 am

White Narcissus · Post Post #9 (isolation #2) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:17 am

also mala is right, this blue on black is tiring

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #11 (isolation #3) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:19 am

shit, you're right. well now i voted so its pointless to unvote

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #17 (isolation #4) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:44 am

Hi all, I like Zymf's thoughts so far wrt random voting, slightly leaning town there. Dunno why Zelink decided to expand on it like that when the thought was already clear from the get go with Zymf's post, i had forgotten about taking too long to lynch tho. Hopefully more people start posting soon so I can start interacting with them.

Zelink so far seems like the type to overexplain things... why did you need to put so much explanation on a random pseudovote?

~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #48 (isolation #5) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 11:38 am

Higurashi had similar mechanics and pie was scum in that game, i think it's possible to use that game as a guide on what scum may have in store this game.
Not liking Zelink at all, while we're all here setup speculating no one has even started scumhunting at all, and Zelink decided to dodge the question i asked.
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #51 (isolation #6) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 11:45 am

Actually i just realized in the description of the mechanic it says that they can raise the darkening of

one or more

people.
Why did you guys even need to bring that up?
Also you've guys spent 2 pages already discussing deadlines and pseudovotes rather than actually scumhunting, save a couple, why? (Mostly directed at Zelink and Taly)
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #53 (isolation #7) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 11:51 am

In post 52, ZeL1nK2 wrote:And if you're not getting reads from what's been said already, you're not doing it right.

Then tell me, what reads do YOU have, since you have done nothing in this game that remotely resembles scumhunting.
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #55 (isolation #8) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 11:56 am

Why is Taly town?

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #59 (isolation #9) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:05 pm

My issue isnt it whether it's a point worth discussing or not, my issue is when that's all that people are doing, like you could say "Oh yes I agree, BTW, why did you, or why that, why this, bla bla bla" you know ACTUAL scumhunting.
While I agree you're not the only one doing so, I'd expect you to have done something other than... keeping setup spec and counting pseudovotes, did you get anything from your pseudo vote on Loki and thor? You never followed up on anything with them, yet you somehow ended up "not townreading" them as opposed to everyone else?
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #61 (isolation #10) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:06 pm

It's the way Taly did it. He repeated lots of stuff already said or pretty obvious, like he wanted to share the town spotlight with the rest of the "cool guys". And then he mentioned stuff that nobody had paid attention to, like the fact scum can affect more than one people, or that they don't have a nightkill. This kind of stuff are more likely to stay in the mind of scum than town.

I'm townreading everyone that has posted other than Taly right now. Sakura is wary of you as well, but I don't think you are ill-intended.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #62 (isolation #11) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:06 pm

^that was to ZeL obv

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #64 (isolation #12) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:09 pm

your posts dont strike me as scum-nacho

you

are

nacho, right?

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #65 (isolation #13) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:12 pm

In post 63, Thor and Loki wrote:It's too early to have a town read on us, I'd assume. It's not like I've really done anything particularly exciting as of late.

Neither has anyone else, and you dont see the issue with this?
And still the only townread i have is the Zymf or whatever person, tho Wis doesn't seem to see the issues i see with Zelink.
We both dislike Taly.
Do you have any reads?
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #66 (isolation #14) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:15 pm

Me and wis compromise on this for the time being

Pseudovote: Taly

~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #67 (isolation #15) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:16 pm

also UNVOTE: because the vc will look silly

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #72 (isolation #16) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:22 pm

nacho why are you also townreading Taly?

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #76 (isolation #17) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:24 pm

In post 69, Witness Protection wrote:But where is there to scum hunt (at the time of this post?), some casual conversation's a great place to start getting base line reads. Then we go from there. But I do want me some scum!

Now here's some other person i want dead just for being silly.
Like I can't even believe someone would say "Oh well we have nothing to scumhunt on, so we can't scumhunt, la la la~"

I'm not even gonna bother telling you "how to start scumhunting" you should do that on your own
~Sakura

PEdit:
Re-Gaiden: Do you think if he really thought that he wouldn't have just gone and made a normal vote instead of pseudovoting?

White Narcissus · Post Post #81 (isolation #18) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:34 pm

I like your point re:gaiden - I agree that he would probably vote despite everyone shouting not to vote. Not doing it and settling down to pseudovote could mean he's being careful.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #95 (isolation #19) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:59 pm

Our reads were given in 61 and 65. I'm not liking your overreaction to some minor suspicion on you.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #96 (isolation #20) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:59 pm

In post 94, notscience wrote:VOTE: Taly

Taly is our lynch today.

did you miss the fact we are not fucking voting but using pseudovotes?

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #98 (isolation #21) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:01 pm

@Taly: So you have a town read on someone you're questioning for having noncomittal posts?
Re-Bringing up how scum could affect us: So basically stating what the mod had mentioned in how the mechanic works is bringing something new?
And yet again, what in ANYTHING of those posts that you had made was there any scumhunting at all?

@notty: So you disagree with pseudovoting?
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #101 (isolation #22) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:03 pm

In post 97, Taly wrote:
In post 95, White Narcissus wrote:Our reads were given in 61 and 65. I'm not liking your overreaction to some minor suspicion on you.

~Wis

Overreaction? I was responding to the assumptions you made about me. Explaining and showing my side.

No, your tone is super defensive and shows you are worrying about getting suspicion on you, though minor. Your points are weak, there is no denying you repeated or stated obvious things no matter how much you sugarcoat your posts.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #102 (isolation #23) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:03 pm

In addition the 1v1 with Zel is me, but Wisdom disagrees with me about him, hence our pseudovote went to you since we both agreed on you, i thought that'd be obvious considering we're both signing our posts
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #103 (isolation #24) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:04 pm

In post 99, notscience wrote:I'm not moving my vote until Taly dies so I don't care about pseudo voting.

this is ns going for towncred by doing what we said we thought gaiden would do

or im wifoming myself, nacho?

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #107 (isolation #25) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:07 pm

because nacho brought up the point about gaiden not voting when he would likely vote as town

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #110 (isolation #26) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:11 pm

its ok, you'll learn to think like the pros with experience

~Wis

pedit: he was joking about that though, while he was not about the gaiden thing

White Narcissus · Post Post #114 (isolation #27) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:13 pm

In post 106, notscience wrote:That being said nacho did get to hydra with me recently and I think he made some spiel about learning how I play better so by all means go ahead but his tells don't really apply 24 hours into a game

I rather trust my way of reading you and confide with Wis and tell him about it, than trust someone i don't know their alignment of...
~Sakura
PEdit: Yeah and he said that before you even posted.
PEdit2: Those were at notty.

White Narcissus · Post Post #116 (isolation #28) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:14 pm

In post 112, Taly wrote:You seem very confident for a townie so early in the game.

trololol

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #118 (isolation #29) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:15 pm

In post 117, notscience wrote:WHOA WIS

STOP THAT CONFIDENCE

I MIGHT HAVE TO VOTE YOU

I lol'd
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #119 (isolation #30) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:16 pm

In post 112, Taly wrote:Also, I'm looking around at posts, I'm busy quite a bit right now - so I'll get back with some ISO researching and show what I've found out.

you're so eager to appear useful... you really must be town

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #121 (isolation #31) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:18 pm

i am voting him

stop being an ass and play with pseudovotes

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #123 (isolation #32) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:19 pm

In post 119, White Narcissus wrote:
In post 112, Taly wrote:Also, I'm looking around at posts, I'm busy quite a bit right now - so I'll get back with some ISO researching and show what I've found out.

you're so eager to appear useful... you really must be town

~Wis

Reminds me of a certain Zelink... which is what i was already pointing out to you earlier
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #124 (isolation #33) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:19 pm

In post 120, notscience wrote:give in to the dark side

scum confirmed

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #130 (isolation #34) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:25 pm

In post 127, notscience wrote:HIT ME WITH YOUR BEST SHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT

He's not going to, because i'm telling him not to.
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #135 (isolation #35) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:28 pm

It's not because of the darkening, rather because i disagree with him about you being scum
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #139 (isolation #36) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:31 pm

In post 137, notscience wrote:
In post 135, White Narcissus wrote:It's not because of the darkening, rather because i disagree with him about you being scum
~Sakura

Told you she's been spot on at reading me /shrug

im not actually scumreading you

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #144 (isolation #37) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:33 pm

In post 138, Thor and Loki wrote:
In post 103, White Narcissus wrote:
In post 99, notscience wrote:I'm not moving my vote until Taly dies so I don't care about pseudo voting.

this is ns going for towncred by doing what we said we thought gaiden would do

or im wifoming myself, nacho?

~Wis

I think you're probably wifoming yourself: that expectation for Gaiden was for Gaiden only, just looks like notscience trying to policy lynch Seiko for some strange reason...?

eeh. ns is also the kind of guy who would go "fuck pseudovotes, ill just vote". You know, like he did. So I thought that since we brought up that Gaiden-town would vote, he could have voted to do the "town" thing

Whatevs, he kinda looks town now anyway

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #147 (isolation #38) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:35 pm

So notty, what do you think of Zelink, and Nachodra
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #149 (isolation #39) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:36 pm

In post 146, Thor and Loki wrote:
In post 143, ZeL1nK2 wrote:I trust that notscience knows what he's doing. He seems like a strong player.

You'll get a better sense of people once you've played a few more games.

hes prolly an alt though

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #152 (isolation #40) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:37 pm

In post 148, Thor and Loki wrote:So... You're voting Taly for Seiko claim, or...?

He probs is, and it wouldn't surprise me if it was the case
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #154 (isolation #41) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:39 pm

lol @ Taly's reactionary Vote.
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #158 (isolation #42) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:40 pm

In post 151, Taly wrote:VOTE: notscience

Now we're both equal.

...

So the fact he voted you gives you the right to disregard the town strategy and vote?

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #160 (isolation #43) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:41 pm

Apparently you were right Wis, his "I'm going to ISO people" never happened
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #161 (isolation #44) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:42 pm

In post 159, notscience wrote:wis

he is scum

why are you questioning scum

why are you not purging scum with fire

shut up and stop tunneling

tunneling bad

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #167 (isolation #45) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:45 pm

In post 157, Taly wrote:Sigh, you will see that you will lynch Seiko first at this rate. Even though you guys have yet to take me seriously.

I'm busy right now, and since this is a fast pacing game, don't expect something elaborate from me until tomorrow

This also strikes me as odd, considering there's people townreading him, that was quite a bit of an overreaction over notty's vote and our pseudovote.
Also why would he not have something elaborate due to a fast paced game? Shouldn't that be the opposite?
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #171 (isolation #46) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:47 pm

In post 166, Thor and Loki wrote:
In post 158, White Narcissus wrote:
In post 151, Taly wrote:VOTE: notscience

Now we're both equal.

...

So the fact he voted you gives you the right to disregard the town strategy and vote?

~Wis

Keep in mind notscience did say he was immune to darkness, which means votes on him are fine.

doesnt change how terrible Taly's vote is

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #172 (isolation #47) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:48 pm

In post 164, Taly wrote:No, he went ahead and ignored the psuedovote idea that most is abiding by. So I was happy to oblige him and meet him there with a legitimate vote of my own.

So basically what I said. He ignored the pseudovote idea, so you think it gives you the right to ignore it too.

So if you both are town, two votes that help scum. This is fine with you?

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #181 (isolation #48) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:00 pm

so basically you want to pass the idea that Taly got caught up in emotion rather than being scum. Is it just because it's us pushing him that you are defending him?

~Wis

pedit: @Zel1nk

White Narcissus · Post Post #185 (isolation #49) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:21 pm

In post 182, ZeL1nK2 wrote:But the simpler explanation is town player not thinking.

Or scum player overreacting.
Or scum player not thinking.
Considering i've seen my fair share of scum moves, those are likely as well, not all scum think through everything they do. Why does everyone seem to think that everything scum does is a premeditated move from some sort of backwater agenda?

That kinda logic can apply to both alignments, so why did you decide to apply it to a town possibility?
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #188 (isolation #50) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:28 pm

In post 186, Mikazuki wrote:Don't agree that Taly is overreacting, could be biased because of my own playstyle but annoyance/defensiveness at accusations you think are silly are not a scumtell to me.

Annoyance =/= "HOLY SHIT IM GOING TO BE LYNCHED TODAY" from a single vote and pseudovote, specially with people like Zelink hard defending him.
Like... really.
Also why is most of your read on us wishy washy?

In post 186, Mikazuki wrote:Notscience: Uh... I have no idea what to make of this guy. Can barely understand some of his posts. His behavior gives me a gut feeling of town, but I'm going to go with null for now.

He's town
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #190 (isolation #51) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:32 pm

@Mika: I'm surprised you decide to comment on Zymf's single post but not on anything other people that have been actively posting like Zelink or Nachodra have done, while you also seem to have been reading far enough to describe everything we've done and get a slight town read on us (In a sort of wishy washy manner).
~Sakura
PEdit: I'd expect you to be more hard commited to stuff, but then again the only time i've seen you is in your scum game...

White Narcissus · Post Post #193 (isolation #52) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:34 pm

In post 189, Mikazuki wrote:Didn't realise I needed to have definite reads this early on, oops.

Where did i say you needed to have definite reads? Your read on us is like "Oh hey this is bad, but then, it's not" "Oh hey I disagree with this, but then it makes sense" and then in the end after all those null wishy washy stances you go "Oh based on a little bit of meta i have they're slight town".
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #194 (isolation #53) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:36 pm

In post 192, ZeL1nK2 wrote:I don't think your assessment of "overreacting" was correct, either. Whatever tone you read in the wall he wrote back on page four was entirely different to how I read it...

I am not talking about the wall, tho i didn't like the wall either, i'm talking about #157
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #200 (isolation #54) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:42 pm

In post 197, ZeL1nK2 wrote:
In post 194, White Narcissus wrote:
In post 192, ZeL1nK2 wrote:I don't think your assessment of "overreacting" was correct, either. Whatever tone you read in the wall he wrote back on page four was entirely different to how I read it...

I am not talking about the wall, tho i didn't like the wall either, i'm talking about #157
~Sakura

Yes, but I'm pretty sure Mikazuki was referring to this when she talked about the "overreaction" so it doesn't matter what you were talking about.

And now we will never know, because Mika will say she was referring to that post now regardless.
"I'm pretty sure" doesn't cut it.
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #202 (isolation #55) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:44 pm

I would really appreciate if people would let me scumhunt instead of interfering with it... TIA
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #204 (isolation #56) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:46 pm

In post 203, ZeL1nK2 wrote:"I'm pretty sure" was a euphemism for "you'd have to be blind to think otherwise".

I rather be thought of blind than let scum hide.
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #209 (isolation #57) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:58 pm

not liking mika. Her reads look more like summaries of what happened rather than analysis and are generally too wishy-washy. Slight scum on Taly when she doesn't even agree with the accusation on him feels opportunistic too.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #214 (isolation #58) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:02 pm

You're also being awfully defensive.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #216 (isolation #59) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:04 pm

also not really a different basis than me, I also disliked his vote and talked about it. So you basically stated disagreement with my first accusation on him and sheeped the second. Wishy-washy.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #218 (isolation #60) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:05 pm

In post 217, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 215, Thor and Loki wrote:Mikazuki's opening seems fine.

What
What
What

WHAT

Seriously WHAT.
What's fine about that opening

Me

White Narcissus · Post Post #222 (isolation #61) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:07 pm

In post 217, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 215, Thor and Loki wrote:Mikazuki's opening seems fine.

What
What
What

WHAT

Seriously WHAT.
What's fine about that opening

just nacho disagreeing with all my reads because its fun

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #225 (isolation #62) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:12 pm

Also not liking how the first defense Mika comes in is "I'm doing bad because real life/lack of time". If you were town you'd at least try to do something productive with whatever little time you have instead of complain about it and come with half assed stances.
~Sakura
PEdt: Cbot i've already mentioned my stance on notty a gazillion times.

White Narcissus · Post Post #230 (isolation #63) » Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:22 pm

In post 188, White Narcissus wrote:
In post 186, Mikazuki wrote:Notscience: Uh... I have no idea what to make of this guy. Can barely understand some of his posts. His behavior gives me a gut feeling of town, but I'm going to go with null for now.

He's town
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #255 (isolation #64) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:10 am

In post 251, Taly wrote:Also, if you think everyone else is rendering your ability to scum hunt,

oi. There's a reason we sign our posts. How about you stop attributing things Sakura says to me?

The rest of your post was nonsensical. You start by trying to advice me in how to play and end up accusing me of finding excuses to tunnel? Make up your mind.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #260 (isolation #65) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:38 am

In post 256, Taly wrote:Well, I wanted to see why people found you and/or Mika to be suspicious, since I didn't pick up anything major for concern.

The only ones who expressed suspicion on Mika was us, and we explained why. So what is the point of asking again?

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #263 (isolation #66) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:01 am

In post 251, Taly wrote:Who are your scum reads? You haven't given a direct read on me, Zel, notscience, or WN? I'm curious, what are your reads on us?

In post 186, Mikazuki wrote:White: <Snip> Slight town lean.

In post 195, Mikazuki wrote:Taly: <Snip> Slight scum lean.

In post 195, Mikazuki wrote:Zelink: <Snip> Slight town lean.

Unless you say these aren't "direct reads" in which case what makes them different from:

In post 205, Mikazuki wrote:Thor and Loki: <Snip> very tentative slight town lean.

Which is even less direct/less commital.
~Sakura
PEd: reading WP's post.

White Narcissus · Post Post #264 (isolation #67) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:05 am

In post 262, Witness Protection wrote:pedit Now I think you're making things up. Care to explain some of those?

Did this come towards his "notscience is town" post?
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #268 (isolation #68) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:06 am

In post 265, Witness Protection wrote:Yes

Have you really been reading the thread?
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #269 (isolation #69) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:07 am

Oh nevermind, for some reason i didnt see WP's "still catching up" post in post review, i take that back
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #270 (isolation #70) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:11 am

In post 262, Witness Protection wrote:If you go back to where I said that, there was you jumping on a few peeps, a lot of setup speculation, a lot of small talk, AND four people YELLING at me to GO PLAY RISK! They were the bigger threat. I was more scared of them than you.

I really hate when people use "I have been having real life issues so i can't do anything" instead of just... saying nothing, like i know people have a life and what not, so i don't see the need for people to need to bring them up as excuses, it always looks to me like it's scum that for some reason decided that they need to justify their actions of some sort. And it's not like neither Mika or WP were prod dodging...
Does anyone else have any opinion on that?
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #274 (isolation #71) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:18 am

Zelink the point about Gaiden is not that simple. It's meta related. He's the kind of person who would go "fuck the rules" and vote anyway, that's why we find the fact he didn't potentially suspicious.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #276 (isolation #72) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:20 am

In post 272, Witness Protection wrote:I know people hate meta..., but, I do it all the time. I'll keep it to a minimum. Pinky promise.

Meta is a major part of the game. You shouldn't be apologizing for using it.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #277 (isolation #73) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:22 am

In post 275, ZeL1nK2 wrote:I don't believe that. Gaiden seems like a charming person. Why would he perform coitus with the rules?

You don't know him, we do. How he "seems" in a

mafia game

is irrelevant.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #279 (isolation #74) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:41 am

I changed my mind when I thought about the point nacho presented, and said so. It's not a clear scumread though, I want to see more from him.

Sakura can read him better than me, and she says he's still null.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #283 (isolation #75) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:48 am

His post didn't strike me as scummy, and I didn't enter in that wifom thinking that nacho did at first

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #292 (isolation #76) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:02 am

In post 290, Shadowcat wrote:I've caught up with the overnight posts and I think the biggest thing that sticks out to me is this:

In post 257, Zymf wrote:... Shinozaki Sachiko and her team ...

The Mod confirmed that Shinozaki Sachiko was in the game but didn't say whether she was groupscum, third party, or even town (although flavour-wise I think that's probably unlikely). So Zymf taking it for granted that she is groupscum, and also their leader, tells me he might be scum.

~ H

nah i made the same speculation. Shinozaki Sachiko increases the darkness therefore it makes sense she is scum.

Do you have any other reads? This felt very weak and doesn't give me a nice impression of you

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #293 (isolation #77) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:06 am

In post 291, Witness Protection wrote:255 I will refer to you as one slot, WN.

That's fair, but you don't get to talk to me and whine about things Sakura said as if I said them. Different emotions, different reads, different reasons for posting. Otherwise we can just stop signing - we are signing for this very reason, so you can tell who is who and follow our thought processes.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #297 (isolation #78) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:38 am

In post 294, ZeL1nK2 wrote:I don't think, as an assumption, the idea that Sachiko is part of a group-scum team is farfetched. I do, however, somewhat agree with ShadowCat, in that it didn't look like an assumption so much as a statement of fact. That, and the entire post felt a little awkward because of how unnecessary it was.

I don't think it necessarily makes Zymf scum, but it did not give me super fun happy slide feelings about him.

Do you really see scum referring to their scumteam as "Sachiko and her team" though? I don't.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #299 (isolation #79) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 8:30 am

He didnt say anything about her being the leader or anything. I guess you take it that way because he said "Sachiko and her team" as if she owns the team, but it's put that way just because Sachiko is the only known member, not because she's the leader.

Talk to me about the zel and nacho reads? I think they're both pretty town.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #303 (isolation #80) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 9:39 am

That was my precise thought. A town Sachiko would instantly put herself up for lynch because negative utility, so it would be pointless to even have as a role in the game.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #304 (isolation #81) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:10 am

Well im going to mention a few things that came up while talking with Wis, for starters Flavor-wise Sachiko makes more sense as scum and actually groupscum, i'm not sure whether Zymf has flavor knowledge or not, but what Wis said about that person coming and claiming if Sachiko was town is true.
Mod meta from Saki mafia, where pie used actual antagonists for scum with fake claims, makes me think actual antagonists on the game will be scum here as well with fake claims.
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #305 (isolation #82) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:12 am

yeah and when you think that one of the scum is Sachiko, who obviously can't truthfully claim, it's practically a given they have fakeclaims

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #309 (isolation #83) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:28 am

In post 306, notscience wrote:the asshole buff guy

Nah, if he exists, i think he'd be more likely TP/SK. The others do look possible tho.
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #311 (isolation #84) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:30 am

In post 308, notscience wrote:The scum role pms are probably Naho with an ayumi fakeclaim, sachiko with a ghost kid fakeclaim, and the teacher with a satoshi/tamaki fakeclaim

Uhh... i really doubt pie would use characters like

The surviving 5

, for fake claims, everyone else do seems fair game tho.
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #313 (isolation #85) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:33 am

I think that it's more likely they were RNG'd like he did on Saki (or at least he said he did)
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #314 (isolation #86) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:35 am

Oh i can see what you mean, basically that would confirm several people as town just by flavor, ok i get it now, so yeah it's possible
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #320 (isolation #87) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:43 pm

In post 318, ZeL1nK2 wrote:
In post 297, White Narcissus wrote:Do you really see scum referring to their scumteam as "Sachiko and her team" though?

It makes no more or less sense than town referring to group-scum like that.

I don't think that's true. A townie is likely to surmise sachiko is scum and call the scumteam that to bring the attention to it. Scum would have no reason to call their team that.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #322 (isolation #88) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:06 pm

when you see an action that either comes from town or comes from scum who did it because he thought town would, occams says it just came from town.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #324 (isolation #89) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:18 pm

whatever. Zymf is town

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #331 (isolation #90) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:52 pm

You can't meta off one game. People are not machines, they play differently from game to game.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #334 (isolation #91) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:01 pm

What did you find scummy about him?

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #338 (isolation #92) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:26 pm

In post 337, Witness Protection wrote:To me, it seems scum would want to speedlynch and would want to help facilitate that.

Are you aware there is a darkening mechanic?

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #341 (isolation #93) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:36 pm

Then you do comprehend that we should lynch as soon as possible?

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #346 (isolation #94) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:46 pm

I guess I have to be more direct because you don't appear to be understanding.

You accuse someone for wanting to lynch quickly when we HAVE TO lynch quickly.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #352 (isolation #95) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:51 pm

I don't mind zzzx, lufan is a good pvote though

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #354 (isolation #96) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:54 pm

petal dance: lufan

White Narcissus · Post Post #357 (isolation #97) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:57 pm

In post 355, Witness Protection wrote:I forgot Lufan was even in Town.

All he's done is two fluff posts and one nonsensical wishy-washy read on ns

Wanna pvote him instead?

~Wis

pedit: nvm

White Narcissus · Post Post #362 (isolation #98) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:11 pm

I don't see why you think that would come from town, mind explaining?

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #364 (isolation #99) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:23 pm

@Zelink what are your current reads and reasons?
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #366 (isolation #100) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:30 pm

I'm sorry but im not having that.
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #369 (isolation #101) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:39 pm

yes

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #371 (isolation #102) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:52 pm

Pseudosheep me on lufan instead

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #376 (isolation #103) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:55 pm

Oi Zel, are you the same person who whined about people not scumhunting a couple posts ago, or did you switch users in the meantime?

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #378 (isolation #104) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:57 pm

White Narcissus · Post Post #380 (isolation #105) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:58 pm

no that means you should sheep me because I'm likely voting sachiko

White Narcissus · Post Post #382 (isolation #106) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:04 pm

I feel like scum will want to protect sachiko kinda like a king in aitp, and zel feels like he's doing just that

White Narcissus · Post Post #383 (isolation #107) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:05 pm

ritp* rather

White Narcissus · Post Post #384 (isolation #108) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:06 pm

Like, his defense is nonsensical and I can't fathom why anyone ever would see lufan as town

White Narcissus · Post Post #386 (isolation #109) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:09 pm

nah, I'm voting lufan because he's scummy himself. I'm just telling you this wagon is extra fun because he's also likely sachiko

regardless you should join

White Narcissus · Post Post #388 (isolation #110) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:10 pm

fine, then pressure the lurker into not lurking?

White Narcissus · Post Post #392 (isolation #111) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:12 pm

dat discredit

White Narcissus · Post Post #394 (isolation #112) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:13 pm

hey guys let's try to make Wisdom's case look like shit by calling it buzzwords or they'll lynch sachiko

White Narcissus · Post Post #395 (isolation #113) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:25 pm

In post 317, ZeL1nK2 wrote:Woe is me! There's so much flavour speculation on this page and no scum hunting! Why is there no scum hunting!?!? My sensitive eyes cannot take this lack of scum hunting!

hey guys let's whine about how there's no scumhunting and then proceed to fluff around and refuse to give reads

White Narcissus · Post Post #398 (isolation #114) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:34 pm

Shadowcat don't have many posts actually

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #401 (isolation #115) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:42 pm

Because they're not Mala

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #405 (isolation #116) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:47 pm

It's Mala. He can read her. He wants to see her post.

Duuuuh.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #408 (isolation #117) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:54 pm

nah but seriously lufan is scum. I have a super secret reason other than his 3 posts that I believe that that I will maybe tell you about after he's lynched

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #458 (isolation #118) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:20 am

Mika, WP, you are both town, stahp it. Zel isn't.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #459 (isolation #119) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:21 am

In post 426, ZeL1nK2 wrote:Ｄｏ　ｙｏｕ　ｈａｖｅ　ａｎｙ　ｏｔｈｅｒ　ｒｅａｄｓ，　Ｚｙｍｆ？

oi, you can't ask this when you refuse to give your own reads

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #463 (isolation #120) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:30 am

technically yes, but it only shows you're a hypocrite

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #466 (isolation #121) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:48 am

In post 465, Wisdom wrote:So you're asking something and don't want an answer for it?

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #475 (isolation #122) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:08 am

if you were town you'd have answered with your reads, you obviously have something to hide, and I obviously asked because your reads all seem fake to me.
On another note, wisdom gave me town meta of Mika, I haven't read it yet but I'm going to trust him on his read until i read it then discuss it with him.
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #479 (isolation #123) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:25 am

to those reading micro 454 - compare Flames's 78 in that game to Zelink's 360 + 361 here

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #481 (isolation #124) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:36 am

true, but lufan is scum in this case

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #483 (isolation #125) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:14 am

catch up guide:

1. lufan is scum
2. Zel1nk is scum
3. Ankamius, notscience, White Narcissus, Zymf, Mikazuki, Witness Protection are town
4. Pick the third scum out of the remaining

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #486 (isolation #126) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:57 am

vote lufan and I'll consider it

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #495 (isolation #127) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:50 am

So Zelink are you going to enlighten us with your amazing reads that are so good that you had to keep them hidden now? I'm expecting at least a very well-thought town case and scum case for each at this point.
...
Actually not even that makes sense, i can't really fathom any reason why you'd keep them hidden for.
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #499 (isolation #128) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:54 am

In post 498, Thor and Loki wrote:Actually, I would rather Zelink not reveal reads quite yet.

Why not?
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #502 (isolation #129) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 8:39 am

Why?

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #504 (isolation #130) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 8:48 am

Newsflash, scum can also be active and veteran and good analysts. This is poor reasoning.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #506 (isolation #131) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:12 am

It must be tough rolling scum in your first game :/

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #508 (isolation #132) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:22 am

cool help me bus

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #510 (isolation #133) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:25 am

lufan since you're here give me a read on everyone else too

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #514 (isolation #134) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:41 am

indeed, but you can be town now

doubt the newbscum would bus

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #530 (isolation #135) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:09 pm

In post 524, Sakura Hana wrote:Phonepost because blackout but i still don like lufan at all wis please quote from hydra ill talk to you later when theres power here again

White Narcissus · Post Post #531 (isolation #136) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:12 pm

In post 528, ZeL1nK2 wrote:Oh, and one more question, lufan, but this is perhaps somewhat unrelated to the game at hand.

Why were you browsing private topics?

Ok. I wanted to avoid mentioning it, but this is where my certainty about lufan lies. He posted "I am not supposed to be here" in the PT that had just got publicized. My theory is that he thought he was added to another PT, so he posted "I am not supposed to be here" in it. This of course means that he is in another PT, one that he IS supposed to be in.

Either he's scum or some other role with a PT like mason/neighbor, but scum is obviously much more likely.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #533 (isolation #137) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:15 pm

he is genuinely a newbie, who rolled scum

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #535 (isolation #138) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:17 pm

Also, this probably means scum have daytalk.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #538 (isolation #139) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:23 pm

In post 537, Wisdom wrote:Btw Zel1nk bringing this up should not by any means earn him any points. Most likely he realized this is the secret I've been holding - or lufan himself realized it and told them in their PT - and he brought it up for cred. His defense when the wagon started to build up is still there, and makes him a very likely partner.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:36 am

In post 582, lufan131 wrote:Because the unread symbol was there, and I was curious what's in there, so I looked. So I found stuff from other games, and thought I was being sent things by mistake, so I asked what was up, to find out they were just made public, so I felt really stupid. Noobishness, I guess.

There is no unread symbol unless you get inside the Private Topic subforum. Which you had no reason to do since as a newbie you don't know what Private Topics are.

White Narcissus · Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:36 am

White Narcissus · Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:37 am

In post 570, Mikazuki wrote:Just out of curiosity, why did you want to avoid mentioning this?

Because it's an out of game thing and I felt it would be lame to push a case based on such a thing. I discussed it with Sakura and we agreed to push him as scum without mentioning it.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:45 am

Even if he, out of curiosity, saw this "Private Topics" forum and wondered what it is, he would never get in one of them and post "I am not supposed to be here". It clearly indicates there is another PT where he IS supposed to be and he thought he was added to another one.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #595 (isolation #144) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:25 am

In post 594, Mikazuki wrote:Also, the topic was in the 'Completed Games' section though? There's a ton of games in there.

No, it wasn't. It was in the main subforum, it had just got publicized (where now is the dead pt for 454)

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #596 (isolation #145) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:26 am

In post 592, ZeL1nK2 wrote:saw unread messages on the PT forum

How do you see unread messages without entering the PT subforum?

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #598 (isolation #146) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:27 am

In post 592, ZeL1nK2 wrote:and thought, for whatever reason, he'd accidentally been given access to that PT.

And how did he know what a PT is, how did he know what having access to it means?

He is new, this is his first game

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #599 (isolation #147) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:28 am

In post 592, ZeL1nK2 wrote:unless that PT (for a game that seems to have ended months ago) was only publicised in the last couple days,

thats what happened

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #602 (isolation #148) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:34 am

In post 601, Wisdom wrote:theres no need to overthink this. He is scum and they have daytalk.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #605 (isolation #149) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:43 am

There is a distinct lack of will to scumhunt and figure things out, that is present in townies playing their first game.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #609 (isolation #150) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:03 am

In post 608, Zymf wrote:Unless we have a good reason to suspect him

Assume lufan flips scum. How would that make you feel about zelink's defense of lufan in 360?

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #615 (isolation #151) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:10 am

No it isn't. What's the town motivation for defending lufan? How can someone even townread lufan's nonsense on ns?

~Wis

pedit: @612

White Narcissus · Post Post #617 (isolation #152) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:12 am

You can see what?

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #620 (isolation #153) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:16 am

In the main index, there is no link to the last post for the last post in the pt subforum like there is for all other subforums. There's just a blank space there.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #621 (isolation #154) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:17 am

I assume you're talking about the last post indicator, because otherwise there's no "unread" indicator in the main index.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #624 (isolation #155) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:19 am

Meaning, in order to see anything at all in the pt subforum, you have to enter it. But again, even if he had entered it to explore, he would have never made the post he made.

~Wis

pedit what golden bullet?

White Narcissus · Post Post #629 (isolation #156) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:23 am

I don't mind Mika's tone.

Mika, thoughts on zelink?

~Wis

Pedit: Oh. I don't even count that at all because it's impossible to have read every single post on the forum and have everything else silver.

White Narcissus · Post Post #630 (isolation #157) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:25 am

(although there's technically a button that makes everything read, but still all this is outside the point)

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #644 (isolation #158) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:46 am

In post 634, Mikazuki wrote:His defense of me didn't bother me

I'll just remind you flames's defense didn't bother you either at first.

You SHOULD be alarmed when someone defends you when the majority seems to find you suspicious.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #648 (isolation #159) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:49 am

In post 643, Thor and Loki wrote:I think it's reasonable for Lufan, regardless of alignment, to end up snooping around in the private topics forum. What's strange to me is that he expected his post would be invisible in the post he made (thus inferring that was the norm he was used to, which doesn't make sense for a first time player), and duh, that's the argument my tired mind couldn't comprehend.

He assumed that message would be private too because he assumed all private topics are private. Newbies don't know about them getting publicized st the end of games.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #652 (isolation #160) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:54 am

Fine, I'll give you that. I also felt like pointing out WP's point was bullshit when I was reading it.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #663 (isolation #161) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:05 am

yeah, that's my worry as well. The difference from the Flames scenario is that lufan is scum while you were town. That's why I inserted the Sachiko theory in the.mix. Another theory is that Zelink is third party and therefore isn't aligned with lufan.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #666 (isolation #162) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:09 am

Huh, I just went and checked to be sure, but, I marked all topics as read on the PT and Completed sections of that subforum, and even then I see the same gold bullet marker on it (the same i see on the other forums where i do actually have unread topics) so I don't think that's how he got there
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #667 (isolation #163) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:10 am

Nacho, the defense I'm talking about is not the current one, it's the one when the wagon started to build, namely 360.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #672 (isolation #164) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:12 am

Oh wait, nevermind i had to click on that too in the PT section, tho this means that new posts towards any PT regardless of having access to it or not will show an unread marker then...
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #675 (isolation #165) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:13 am

In post 665, Thor and Loki wrote:Its possible he saw the unread symbol in the PT and decided to snoop around without really expecting to see anything and just saw that.

And no, this doesn't make any sense. He is a newbie, this is his first game, he doesn't even know what pts are, there is no justifying "I shouldn't be here". This indicates he knows what pts are and knowledge of when someone is supposed to see them.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #680 (isolation #166) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:16 am

In post 673, Shadowcat wrote:My other scum reads defending him adds to the suspicion there.

You've yet to explain those other scumreads.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #683 (isolation #167) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:18 am

In post 674, Thor and Loki wrote:I don't see anything wrong with this as an early read. I really don't see why it's unreasonable to disagree with your push at that point.

Explain to me why someone thinks 288 comes from town

Explain to me why this defense is so awkward and so shrouded in wishy-washiness

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #685 (isolation #168) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:20 am

In post 677, Thor and Loki wrote:They're called private topics.

And? How does that make a newbie feel guilty for seeing one of them to the extent he has to post in them to check if there's been a mistake?
You're really stretching this when it's obvious how things went down.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #687 (isolation #169) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:24 am

I'm also on mobile that's why I'm not linking

I have no idea what you just said. His lufan defense was a bunch of bullshit and has no town motivation whatsoever.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #688 (isolation #170) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:24 am

Even without that, I was already talking to Wis that I didn't like his posting, he just went and found that and told me.

I didn't like Zelink's defense of him either (There's nothing towny in a wishy washy post), Zelink's read progression seems to be to townread everyone and everything, and he still had his pseudo vote on Thor/Loki at the time, but with all the ammount of townreads he had i thought he'd be wanting to PoE, but then I thought his vote on T/L didnt make sense, That combined with a defense of someone that people should at most be null on made me think that they are probably both scum and he's defending him because he's Sachiko, this was quite a lot of speculation on my part. So I thought Zelink was faking townreads, which is why I asked him for his reads, then he said he wanted to talk to T/L first... while that makes sense for his read with T/L it doesnt clear why he wouldn't want to show any other reads, which made me to think that T/L was scum as well (it has Nacho, it wouldn't surprise me if Scum-Nacho wouldn't try to guide his teammate... specially when he's somewhat newbie), and combined with us thinking scum has daytalk, it would make lots of sense on him asking a scummate on help faking the reads.

~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #694 (isolation #171) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:26 am

Or its just him wanting to prevent a wagon on lufan from starting

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #697 (isolation #172) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:31 am

Okay. Want to continue this discussion after lufan flips? It's simply impossible to discuss this when we practically consider lufan confscum while you aren't.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #699 (isolation #173) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:35 am

In post 696, Thor and Loki wrote:it's impossible to be leaning town on a player which is a really bad view to have in 99% of the games on this site.

This is false, the only stance lufan had was notscience, which was a wishy-washy one, while everyone else seemed to think he had a scumread there, it was fairly obvious he had a wishy-washy stance just by adding the "but it could be in my head" thing.
In addition (to the generalized statement) A player who has posted only fluff, id agree it's impossible to have a townread/lean on.
So where are you getting this that's a bad view to believe it's impossible to have a town lean on a player in 99% of the games in the site?
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #702 (isolation #174) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:37 am

In post 698, Mikazuki wrote:@Thorki Because he did not treat it like it's a problem? 592 suggests to me that he pretty much dismissed it as just a newbie move.

Interesting, how he was the one who brought that he was browsing the private topics, when we already knew he had but decided to not mention it on our push, and now it's defending his response as "how it could come from town". Now you see the benefit to not mentioning it way back then?
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #704 (isolation #175) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:38 am

In post 701, Thor and Loki wrote:Your view of his post being bad isn't the only acceptable one.

But the post being null is the most you can get out of it.

White Narcissus · Post Post #705 (isolation #176) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:38 am

~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #706 (isolation #177) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:39 am

In post 537, Wisdom wrote:Btw Zel1nk bringing this up should not by any means earn him any points. Most likely he realized this is the secret I've been holding - or lufan himself realized it and told them in their PT - and he brought it up for cred. His defense when the wagon started to build up is still there, and makes him a very likely partner.

~Wis

^relevant

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #708 (isolation #178) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:44 am

In post 707, Thor and Loki wrote:
In post 704, White Narcissus wrote:
In post 701, Thor and Loki wrote:Your view of his post being bad isn't the only acceptable one.

But the post being null is the most you can get out of it.

Also not true.

Then explain why would a town player decide to not contribute at all to anything, then give a wishy washy stance on one person and then dissapear. I think Zelink's going waaay out of his way to give a townread there, waaay so much.... that it looks like he's protecting SOMEONE... enough to call it a bad wagon, and when the wagon was forming he decided to bring up the PT thing for towncred as Wis mentioned.
Unrelated to the discussed (how zelink got a townread there), but i also didnt like how lufan only came back after he started getting voted and started to do shit, Bettlejuicing much?.
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Post Post #711 (isolation #179) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:33 am

you missed zymf's switch

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #712 (isolation #180) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:33 am

In 608

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #717 (isolation #181) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:45 am

There have been around 44 hours since day begun (I think, someone re-check?). We need to lynch in the following 4 hours if we are to avoid the darkening occuring at the 48 hour mark.

VOTE: lufan

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #718 (isolation #182) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:54 am

nevermind I miscounted there have been 48 hours already

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #719 (isolation #183) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:55 am

Wis miscounted, but we already hit the number of votes in the pseudo votecount, also while im not opposed to waiting for a claim take in mind that 1) Scum will try to delay the lynch with the "wait for claim" excuse 2) Scum most likely have fake claims anyway, so I propose that we try to get that lynch in if he doesnt claim (or he claims and we dont like the claim) before the next darkening milestone.
~Sakura
PEdit: XPost.

White Narcissus · Post Post #720 (isolation #184) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:57 am

In post 716, Shadowcat wrote:You can add our vote to that too.

Still waiting for an explanation on Zelink and Nacho reads

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #739 (isolation #185) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:41 am

ns there is no fucking explanation to lufan being town. please stop being stupid

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #740 (isolation #186) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:42 am

In post 722, ZeL1nK2 wrote:Wait approximately ~12 hours for a claim. If no claim happens, just vote.

yeah lets wait for the second round of 48 hours to pass

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #743 (isolation #187) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:47 am

The second tick of darkening is happening in (expired on 2015-04-02 00:07:00)

Lynch before then please

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #744 (isolation #188) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:48 am

In post 742, notscience wrote:His explanation makes sense to me.

What explanation?

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #749 (isolation #189) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:56 am

He doesn't know what private topics are. Seeing a topic there means nothing. It doesn't fucking warrant posting "why do i see this?" if you haven't been in another PT thus knowing what PTs are and how they function.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #764 (isolation #190) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:33 am

lufan claim your role and your flavor please

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #771 (isolation #191) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:53 am

could be a provided fakeclaim

~Wis

White Narcissus · Post Post #787 (isolation #192) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:58 am

We'll know the specifics when he flips

~Wis

White Narcissus · Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:06 am

Except we are because a claim will not change the fact he is part of a PT and therefore scum.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:08 am

i would be happy if you voted lufan. You asked why people aren't voting yet you aren't doing it

~Wis

White Narcissus · Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:10 am

nacho also said he wants to hammer. and because we dont have time to waste, you should just vote.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:27 am

I could care less if you listen to me or not, you are scum anyway - and if he somehow flips town, it will only make me ten times more confident that you are scum. Try your best to discredit my opinions if you want, we'll see if you'll like the outcome.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:30 am

In post 803, ZeL1nK2 wrote:he doesn't have to have knowledge of the PT system to know what the words "private" and "topics" mean - yes, these are two rather obscure words, but some people do know what these mean.

Knowing what "private" and "threads" mean and posting in a thread to ask why he is seeing it are rather different. The latter implies knowledge of how private topics work, otherwise he would have no worries about seeing one. He would have to know that he is not supposed to see them.

~Wis

White Narcissus · Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:35 am

And lufan isn't even making any sense... and has claimed scum... so (Yes i'm going to follow Thor's logic here (The actual Thor scummer, not T/L)).
~Sakura

White Narcissus · Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:39 am

In post 812, SXTLHGaiden wrote:
In post 811, White Narcissus wrote:And lufan isn't even making any sense... and has claimed scum... so (Yes i'm going to follow Thor's logic here (The actual Thor scummer, not T/L)).
~Sakura

what is thor's logic?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=59109
~Sakura