Drawn on Arrival: The Movie: The Game (GAME OVER!)

[Honey bee]

VOTE: Marquis Wagons r cool.

[Honey bee]

ugh, It's going to take me a while to get into this.

Beast and heart are town, sera is probably town. I don't really understand the aero case but I felt good his first few posts. Brian's right about his self meta iirc, so I have no problems there.

VOTE: jackal
yeah hate people who come in and write off everything beforehand as null. Theam is pretty bad too, but his follow up posts are better and I think he's more likely to be just a goof town.

I think I'm going to have to meta mollie because her first few posts sent bells ringing in my head but I don't understand the context there.

and yeah gil's first post is too bland for my tastes.

[Honey bee]

VOTE: BipolarChemist

I am pretty serious about wanting dead things faster than normal though so if you have a decent wagon you want me on poke me with reasons and I can probably join if they're not awful.

So you start a new wagon? lol

[Honey bee]

I don't really see a point in voting ika unless he posts again. Though yeah I'm not feeling too good about that slot if he's not in here spamming a bunch like normal.

@kitty: An insurance policy is something you pay into and if the person dies the people you listed as beneficiaries get money. Cheet taking out life insurance on pysche -> cheet gets $$$ if psyche dies (???)

Hey, I am still here. What happened to my wagon?
In seriousness, though, I have barely read anything. Yes, this is going to be one of those games.

Because Jackel wagon is bad wagon.

Can we lynch this please.

[Honey bee]

Cheet probably would have wanted to know the details of his role if it was truly nefarious so I'm pretty comfortable with him atm.

I don't get why the amateur is fencesitting scum and not town lost in the game size

Also I'm thinking that exactly one of mollie/brian is scum. Currently leaning towards brian

^ How does that look like town lost?

[Honey bee]

@Honey bee:

I guess I just don't see the point of money in a Mafia game. I understand generally the concept of life insurance. I just don't see how it's applicable.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Me either. I dunno why you wanna know though. are you suspicious of him?

[Honey bee]

I'm still here. Will post later.

[Honey bee]

I told y'all it was gonna take me a while to get into this game .-.

[Honey bee]

VOTE: ika baah. I have no objections to this. The boring isos are putting a bad taste in my mouth.

I'll stay around for a bit to see if I have anything else I wanted to say.

[Honey bee]

UNVOTE: at least let him claim before the boonskiies hammer comes.

[Honey bee]

Well you were softing something you seemed to not wanna say before so idk?

[Honey bee]

Honeybee, can I get some updated reads from you, whoever, plz and ty.

Um I have a lot of town reads and a few scum reads. Reina and heart are on the top of my townlist, followed by marquis. A couple of other people I just have good feelings about (sera, varsoon, beast's slot which is now boon). Also the whatever claim psyche and mastin have I'm fine with based mostly on psyche.

Jackal, peregrinev, and Hostile intent are the only people that are pinging me lately, theam hasn't so much since his initial post. I dunno what to make of ika claiming vt in a role madness game *shrug*. I guess it could go either way based on his personality but it's too late now. Everyone else idk I haven't reached a decision yet on them.

I'll try to logic these reads tomorrow but I'm not sure if I can pinpoint the reasons for these reads.

[Honey bee]

VOTE: aristophanes this is fine right now.

[Honey bee]

ari why are you focusing on psyche

[Honey bee]

stood out as what? You don't believe he's town?

and I didn't say I didn't have a reason.

[Honey bee]

Because your questioning to him felt off earlier, along with your reluctance to accept he is confirmed town. Doubly so now that he has 2 people claiming he's town by role info.

There are other fish in the sea, why not look at them instead?

[Honey bee]

A lot of it feels like it's none of your business tbf. But ok, I guess I'll wait for your thoughts before I ddecide if I want to push you further.

[Honey bee]

Are u sure its accurate tho?

[Honey bee]

What are the odds of a protective PR hitting with 26p alive?

How many defensive PRs do you think there are. You can do the math and realize that it's exceedingly small.

Would you like to compare that to the probability that farside gave her invention to one of the other nks?

[Honey bee]

What are the odds of a protective PR hitting with 26p alive?

How many defensive PRs do you think there are. You can do the math and realize that it's exceedingly small.

Would you like to compare that to the probability that farside gave her invention to one of the other nks?

2/25.

You're gunning at nothing here.

and them making guessing that happened within minutes of the flip? Seems way less likely.

[Honey bee]

Wait why is the ari vote a terrible vote? I think at this point it's probably better for another day but he's worth looking at.

I'm ok with the bro wagon probably. Maybe I'll move my vote later.

[Honey bee]

Seraphim, Aristophanes, Marquis and Honey bee - Why is your vote where it is and where would it be if not there?

My vote is here because I don't believe in unvoting unless I have to and I don't have a good reason yet to switch.

My vote would be on bro but like cheet I'm giving him breathing room about it and I'm still contemplating it cuz I'm trying to figure out if I'm being a tinfoil hat person about him or not. I am really not liking how he's confirmed only doc in the game.

[Honey bee]

Wait so whats a demotivator?

[Honey bee]

And he performed no action? Then how did he know? And how did I miss this? (~_~;)

VOTE: sera

[Honey bee]

Heartless seems to be the Big Dog or Cerebrus so why would Seraphim as scum go against him when he's got so much support?

Spoiler:

We got the PM that told us about farside's invention right before the mod did the flips and unlocked the thread. It's conceivable that Seraphim got such a PM telling him he was demotivated at day break

and

he didn't use an action.

can't tell who of sera/bro is more likely to be scum

This is me too.^^

Please be careful when piling votes on Sera because he already has quite a few and we're still discussing. I'd wait to get an updated vote count.

Remember:

Accidental hammers look scummy! You don't want to look scummy, do you? Avoid accidental hammers!

This has been a public service announcement.

You were townread in aw for an accidental hammer :p

Heartless seems to be the Big Dog or Cerebrus so why would Seraphim as scum go against him when he's got so much support?

Spoiler:

We got the PM that told us about farside's invention right before the mod did the flips and unlocked the thread. It's conceivable that Seraphim got such a PM telling him he was demotivated at day break

and

he didn't use an action.

You have to realize tho those are two different types of things. One of those is an item, the other is a modifier. How can you modify something that didn't happen?

[Honey bee]

T-T

[Honey bee]

You have to realize tho those are two different types of things. One of those is an item, the other is a modifier. How can you modify something that didn't happen?

Well it's not

entirely

clear what the time frame he's referring to is here. Does it mean Seraphim was targeted by the demotivate

last night

and can't use actions

tonight

? Or does it mean the demotivate and disabled actions occur on the same night?

People tend to be vague when they are lying to not step over their own toes.

[Honey bee]

join team sera then

[Honey bee]

To explain the demotivation thing, it looks like a night action because it was specifically referencing my lack of action. I got it before the beginning of Day 2.

huh? how does the demotivation relate to you not making a night action?

[Honey bee]

-.- VOTE: shaft

[Honey bee]

HoneyBee, Why are you joining every wagon under the sun?

I realized something about sera and didn't wanna unvote so I just followed where my townreads were going.

[Honey bee]

I'll think about it, this was supposed to be an alt that let me make a new meta but since I slipped its screwed anyway. You may ask the following people any questions you have {ika, Titus, MathBlade, Grib, Ellie, etc}. I guess none of them are in this game anymore but whatever.

Do you have a good reason to withhold that meta? because I can think of some reasons why reina is wrong but it would be a bit assuming of me and I don't mind sheeping him either.

[Honey bee]

Honey bee, I'm not sure what you mean? You may speculate.

You're treating roles weird and i wanna knowif my assumption is correct in whats infulencing that, so i wanna see your offsite meta (if we are indeed talking about the same site).

[Honey bee]

Honey Bee,
it's a sub-forum on a site that's quite small as in less than 15ish active players at a time. One game at a time with thousands of posts much longer then here, people do reads list, rainbows, walls, etc. The people are more creative overall then here although some fuckery ruined some of the magic.

Ok but no one here knows what a priest is and softing is a lot less important in a game with flips so i don't understand why you think jackal is trying to pull something out from under you with his probably meaningless comments?

[Honey bee]

Witchhunt? No one's ever played witchhunt on this site? (http://chocolatepi.net/)


At least two people referred to me as witch so I assume some people do know of it.

No, I think its mostly a dlp thing. There was only one game of witchhunt held here by titus which I was in. And I think the format of that setup encourages a very much more paranoid style than normal mafia which is what I think is getting you scumread.

[Honey bee]

Can we lynch shaft now.

[Honey bee]

fucko ._.

VOTE: vonflare

[Honey bee]

Cmon guys he's obviously lying

well then he'll be dead tomorrow.

[Honey bee]

why are there 2 roleblockers :l

[Honey bee]

you think they're both scum boo?

[Honey bee]

Votecount 3.2

estival (6) - Reina, Marquis, 4nxi3ty, estival, Gilgamesh King Of Heroes, Bookitty
vonflare (5) - Jackel98, mastin2, BROseidon, Heartless, Honey bee
Reina (1) - Varsoon

Not Voting (6): Seraphim, PeregrineV, Boonskiies, Hostile Intent, Psyche, vonflare

With 18 alive, it's 10 to lynch. Deadline is on March 30 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in

(expired on 2015-03-30 18:00:00).

he's at 5.

I'm pretty sure est is town.

[Honey bee]

I could honestly go back to sera or go for gil. Reina not so much.

[Honey bee]

just claim vonny.

[Honey bee]

lmao

[Honey bee]

unvote

huh?

[Honey bee]

Or someone is an insane cop.

wtf you mean you got a message?

[Honey bee]

What do you mean? I'll say I'm not a cop, and I'm town.

I mean does this guilty have to do with your role or someone elses.

[Honey bee]

If vonny is town this setup has 3 roleblockers and a demotivator and that's just rediculous..

peedit: is there a reason to TRUST this person???

[Honey bee]

why did cheet tell you to rb reina ?

peedit: -.- da faq jackal

peedit2: reina please turn your tunnelvision off.

[Honey bee]

you are making no sense... cheet had like no suspicion of him and shared the same wagon for most of yesterday.

peedit: seems like a waste tho

[Honey bee]

I wanna still lynch vonny because bs claim and theres no way theam wasnt aware of the wagon he was on flipping but jackal has no accountabillity here :/

I may sheep gil wagon later if i cant sort this

[Honey bee]

But 3 rbs.. even my crackpot theories can't handle 3 rbs..

[Honey bee]

Who said he was vanilla :?

[Honey bee]

And it just doesn't fit into what i know, so i don't see a reason to drop it.

Peedit: There's nothing else that you arent claimin?

[Honey bee]

I did think it made sense for a more standard rb for town but there's someone who already fits that description I think so I'm really just confused. but whatever, I'll figure it out later.

peedit: why? what we gonna do if vonny flips town?

[Honey bee]

Nope. I'm some guy from men in hats.

Isn't that a band?

this guy?

[Honey bee]

VOTE: vonflare L-1

I thought aero shot himself due to bus :0

[Honey bee]

idk it's not like when you watch yourself you see yourself target yourself so I'm wondering how it works when you redirect it but *shrug* that makes more sense.

[Honey bee]

At this point we probably can't speculate too much about the kills with the info on the table. heart's right tho about how if anyone targeted mastin for a kill, mastin would have watched them hit aero.

If anything, the most strange kill is ari. I guess I could see it as a second scum kill if they have one (due to his insistance on flub being scum). IDK tho, he wasn't exactly a strong voice day 2.

What were you wondering about when you unvoted heart?

[Honey bee]

I don't see many explanations for von flipping town, and the most obvious one nets us scum anyways. a deceptive role probably makes no sense in a large game like this. But I don't mind waiting for more info.

hi and marquis are coming across better than pv right now, his one post today really sux.

[Honey bee]

psyche are you scumreading gilga?

[Honey bee]

that cop guilty won't go away until we get an explanation tho

[Honey bee]

that cop guilty won't go away until we get an explanation tho

So you think a framer is going to come clean and admit who they framed, just to be nice?

Why evidence is there that for a scum framer, in a 27p game with probably not a lot of cops?

[Honey bee]

Phone posting x.x what evidence is there for a scum framer*

[Honey bee]

are we mass claiming or no?

[Honey bee]

Is there a reason you didn't claim survivor before?

[Honey bee]

Meh, I'm not a big fan after the resistance to a cop guilty yesterday but I'm waiting on something else anyways.

reina.. :(

[Honey bee]

Sera was demotivated without counterclaim that points to him being likely town.

[Honey bee]

You might as well jackel, Its not hurting anything i think.

[Honey bee]

Oh cool, ty jackel.

VOTE: peregrinev lets go with this one.

Peedit: Wat

[Honey bee]

Vote: honey bee

If the scumteam is just lurking to victory, then this should be our next target.

I have five posts less than you. FIVE.

Also I am very town and if you don't believe me reread my iso and then vote someone else (preferably pv).

[Honey bee]

@Boonskies: Why the lack of hammer when VonFlare was at L-1? Why try starting a counterwagon on me then, please?

Actually heart unvoted during that time, so that's a point in his favor.

@PV: why var?

[Honey bee]

Is there still mafia tho?

We should mass claim.

[Honey bee]

psyche's wording means that sks investigate as not mafia, right?

gil was investigated n3.

[Honey bee]

I'm da motivator you goof plz git gud.

I want claims so we can figure out these kills, esp whatever happened n2.

[Honey bee]

No, we're probably looking for an sk at this point so we aren't chainlynching people based on not mafia results.

[Honey bee]

jackel again, wanted to make sure psyche didn't die. I'm not really sure how it works with the doc tho.

I don't think its boon.

[Honey bee]

My role doesn't give extra kills, it works the opposite way vonny's did.

reina, mastin, jackel, then jackel again.

jackel hacked bro n3, thereby getting his ability n4 if i understand correctly.

[Honey bee]

:0 wtf

[Honey bee]

Jackel, explain how ir role works again?

[Honey bee]

@.@ all your roles..?

I guess the only people im looking for to claim are var, boon, and anyone that can kill.

[Honey bee]

VOTE: boon incentive.

[Honey bee]

Compulsive Reverse Hider - choose target, roleblocks, all abilities targeting them will fail. all abilities targeting me will also target them.

who'd u target

[Honey bee]

Wait for an odd-night to investigate me, lol.

Compulsive Reverse Hider - choose target, roleblocks, all abilities targeting them will fail. all abilities targeting me will also target them.

zzzz

[Honey bee]

you have some skewed sense of balance and reality if you think my role is scum.

[Honey bee]

actually UNVOTE: I gotta ponder some stuff.

[Honey bee]

If they were scum then you'd die because youre claiming hider..

[Honey bee]

Marquis used his ability n3 i think though, which was something like a mod announced visit? so he couldn't have that abillity unless he has an awkward combo of roles. I think some of the kills make sense with an sk instead, as the extra kills aren't on high profile townies.

I guess boon could be town, at least that will clear varsoon. It would make me worry though that one of the scum are investigative immune, considering how much investigative power we have.

I liked the idea of mass claiming because I wanted more potential people to target, but that's just for me. I'll probably random between jackel and psyche tonight.

[Honey bee]

Marquis used his ability n3 i think though, which was something like a mod announced visit?

No, he was visited BY Bookitty.

still.. the bookie+ mod announced self watch doesn't really make sense.

This game can't have more than 9 anti town in it, 8 is stretching it. We don't even really have a vig (except bulge) so lynching 9 scum on our own without reliance of crosskills is asinine. I think mafia are likely eliminated at this point. Bulge doesn't really make sense as a mafia kill, HI too. None of the n2 kills make sense either, but I'm leaning towards several of those kills being redirected.

VOTE: estival
I've warmed up to this vote, but I may change my mind. I'd still like a massclaim but if psyche is going to deny that then ok. @psyche: do you think it's a good idea for me to target you tonight? or should I try someone else.

[Honey bee]

why is it appealy?

[Honey bee]

I guess but claiming an investigative role as scum kinda puts a date on how long you can go before everyone has been cleared.

[Honey bee]

It's not unheard of for the role to be town, scum, or 3p and even if it was what would make 1 shot unlynchable for sk to be op? None of these roles are really all that common.

And I'm just going to point out you haven't really voted and pushed anyone in this game since before your theatric lynch, so your not exactly the loudmouth you were. I'm not really confident but looking at the nks + hi iso you seem the most likely and we're stomping pretty hard so I'm not feeling very sympathetic. So if you are town and want my vote off you please impress me or do something because I don't feel like you're thinking about this game very much.

[Honey bee]

thats what I said. You haven't pushed anyone after you got lynched. You pushed ari and shaft a bit d2 and after that nothing really. I liked how you took the info about your lynch and turned it on its head but I feel like that never came to any conclusion. I've been at least voting people and speaking my scum reads all game so I have no idea what your talking about. So pick a side somewhere or help us discuss where you want to lynch.

[Honey bee]

I guess but claiming an investigative role as scum kinda puts a date on how long you can go before everyone has been cleared.

but he's not claiming investigative, it's roleblockredirectish....

And he's having trouble answering simple questons like why target varsoon and explain a read

I consider hider investigative, though what he's claiming resembles weak babysitter.

His claim suks ass but I'm hesitant to lynch him in case he's telling the truth. Boon isn't exactly known for his sparkling town play but I haven't played with him in a while. Also his reactions to hammering the pv lynch didn't feel informed to me. But idk, claim still suks and it may be in line with my tinfoil hat theories.

I may switch my vote later when I'm more clearheaded.

[Honey bee]

Someone should just investigate boon tbh. We have like 1.5 cops, and hiders are useful. I'd rather lynch him if we knew for sure.

[Honey bee]

wtf is reverse hiding tho..

[Honey bee]

stop telling people to redirect psyche wtf. Var is likely town.

[Honey bee]

If boon flips mafia pick an sk target and I'll motivate you; I doubt there can be 7 maf in this game. If he flips town/other marquis will be fine.

[Honey bee]

4nxiety might be a good target too.

[Honey bee]

actually before i leave i'll skip the dramatics and shut this down now: i'm backup public self-watcher and backup vig, and i shot flubber and hostile too. one of which was scum which is part of why this whole marquis is scum bussing every single one of his partners theory has been so completely unbelievable. so no, unless there's a vig cc there is no scenario in which i can be scum. and with mastin admitting nobody else targeted her, there is no other road she can take other than also admitting to be a bulletproof self-watcher, which is in no way town.

-.-

I want massclaim still.

[Honey bee]

VOTE: estival

i still think this is the better option between the two. the claim feels a lot more in line with the power level of aero's role, while anxiety's fits in more with shitwheel and calvin and etc wtfiness

i mean i realize shooting mastin sounds like a bad idea objectively

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[Honey bee]

shoot estival? hello?

you shot HI over ESTIVAL???

[Honey bee]

...

waiting on gilga and jackel to claim.

[Honey bee]

Psyche is town. I gave Reina a Scooby Snack on Night One to save his life. Someone else turned his visit to Psyche into a cop; I don't think we ever got a claim on that, but he was sure Psyche was town, so I'm going to trust this. Thus Psyche is town.

boo that was me.

[Honey bee]

we can lynch marquis after jackel tell's us who he investigated.

[Honey bee]

wtffffffffff jackelllllll

VOTE: marquis

[Honey bee]

I guess ill target psyche if game not over? The mod told me not all actions can be modifed so idk what thatll do.

[Honey bee]

I'll try it anyways I guess.

There's not much reason to wait around unless we are contemplating malicious 3p without a kill. All the previous kills have been claimed and/or are obviously from scum.

[Honey bee]

It's also possible that both are town and we still have a mafia out there. Not much of a stretch that mafia also tried to shoot mastin and were blocked.

it's very unlikely.

peedit oh ty

[Honey bee]

ugh I hope this game will be over larges tire me out T_T

[Honey bee]

Good job everyone, setup+playlist was very fun =) ty quad+ut for modding!