Drawn on Arrival: The Movie: The Game (GAME OVER!)

[Cheetory6]

VOTE: Varsoon
You bastard.

[Cheetory6]

I think you missed.

[Cheetory6]

Sheeping Aero because he made a for-real cop claim! Woah!
VOTE: Aeronaut

[Cheetory6]

Woah. That's an Aero vote. Apparently my brain isn't working.
I guess I subconsciously don't trust you this game Aero. :/

[Cheetory6]

Oh okay. I'll keep my vote then.

[Cheetory6]

Oh shit son, big threats from Cheetory

Yeah! Are you afraid yet Aero?!

cheetory
i'm really suspicious of you

I don't believe you.
Prove it, bitch.

[Cheetory6]

I like this one.
VOTE: 4anxi3ty

[Cheetory6]

cheetory
please do not take my suspicion flippantly
for i may feel inclined to take you flippantly

I am reacting to this.

[Cheetory6]

With mollie? o.o

[Cheetory6]

cw?
Also, being indirect about literally everything makes it super fun for the rest of us to follow what's going on.

[Cheetory6]

anti wld know why I was voting him and wld understand why I was voting mastina before she outed as mason.

oh cool, peregrine's scum

While voting mollie. Ignored my question.
Felt like there was more, so literally everything was overboard.
Still annoying though >.>

[Cheetory6]

WEHT IS CW.

[Cheetory6]

counterwagon. gotcha.
thanks guys.
I'm gonna go not read this game because everyone is ignoring me.

[Cheetory6]

@Beast

, I mean, I asked mollie a question and she ignored it and I was asking things and people in general were ignoring me. I've definitely been in a bit of a weird mood and I don't think I meant to come across as AtE-y as you're implying I was.

@Psyche

, hell yeah I took out life insurance on you. What's the big deal?
I was kind of under the impression that I was going to anonymously do it, but apparently not. :c

I'll try to look at things not relating to me sometime soon I'm just not really super in the mood for mafia right now.

[Cheetory6]

Because it bugs me to not respond to things people ask me and I don't want to leave people hanging on answers to things especially when it's so easy in this case.
I don't mind answering questions about things I've done, but I have no interest in trying to sort the intentions of people in the game right now.

[Cheetory6]

Why did you pick pysche.

If I were to go into details, I'd basically have to claim.
I can at least promise that it wasn't done with malevolent intentions.

[Cheetory6]

@Bookitty

, tell me about your townread on farside and what you make of Reina.

[Cheetory6]

We can make a larger wagon.
VOTE: Jackel

Kind of wary of Flubber because I'm self-centered :c
Got bad ping on Boo's entry, but I like her follow-up.

@4nxiety

, whachu make of jackel/amatueueueuer?

[Cheetory6]

You do give them answers if they don't have them already though.

[Cheetory6]

At the risk of sounding like a hypocrite.
Should go back to more important stuff.
We can beat up Brian after the game is over.

[Cheetory6]

OKAY YOU WIN.
:C
Are you happy now?

The only thing that stood out to me on jackel was the phrase: They random-voted mastin, like I did
not sure what the goal was to compare himself to Sera there?

(oh and the "193 is not a town post" too. But that's directed at everyone who's done the "this post is X" this game. Imo it's a passe playstyle thing that doesn't do much for the why.)

So these things stand out to you, but they don't ping you one way or the other?

[Cheetory6]

wrt my shitty opening this game, I'm just gonna say two things:
i) Already said I'm not going to claim details of life insurance stuff. I was dumb and skimmed my rolePM, didn't realize that Psyche was sent a message saying that I personally had taken out life insurance on him. Can't really elaborate on my thought process of why I chose him without implicitly going into details of my role.
ii) Me being pissy probably looks bad and I'm not really gonna defend it/make a big deal out of it because it'd be stupid for me to focus on such a dumb detail of my play. I'd rather focus on the actual content of the game. Suspect me for it and push me for it, but there really isn't much that I can really say to defend myself on it. Was in a bad mood for non-game related reasons. That's really all I can say and am going to say on the matter.

Heartless

Yadda yadda Heartless claim seems like it would be ridiculous to be fake #sheepinggeneralopinionthere and they generally seem kinda town. For my ridiculous paranoid side though: does anyone know if Antihero or TTH have ever made really crazy fakeclaims as scum before? Not even necessarily on D1, just in general.

mastin

mastin's opening to this game felt silly. Though, I could just be bitter because my incredibly inconsequential townread got revoked for inconsequential reasons. Golly am I ever disappointed..
In all seriousness,

@mastin

I am a little wary of your entry to this game. Do you ordinarily say townreads like that just based on RVS? Part of what irks me about it, is that it seemed really flippant in a disingenuous way. Before you give me the "I'm confirmed town" stuff, please just stop yourself and be like "ok cheet I won't" because I don't care. In a bastard setup with 27 people for all I know you could be scum with an expiration date [which would be hilarious].
Also, what's the point of your mollie vote if you're not trying to convince anyone to join you and you're telling her you'll move it eventually? What're you hoping to accomplish or is it just supposed to be symbolic?

Not quite true. I'm having extreme difficulty forming reads. Too much chaos.

Weht. You've dropped like a billion reads already. Are they entirely just for show or what?

@Brian

i) Can you walk me through the jump in your stance on dealing with Heartless in 102 to 110? Why did you initially think shooting them was such a good idea?
ii) Why didn't you vote for amatuer somewhere around 119? What made Jackel seem more worth voting at the time?

General Undirected Thoughts Unworthy of Their Own Section

Holy fuck is CoolDog in this game? o.o

ika wagon doesn't really feel like it has a really great purpose. I feel like lurker-pressuring on D1 of a game this big is stupid. Unless ika has some kind of track record of playing super actively or something? Jackelwagon comparatively has potential to apply actual pressure to someone who's here.

I keep looking at boo and farside with paranoid eyes. Both of them are scary people and I'm not townreading either of them and it makes me feel insecure deep down inside. :c

How does this make you feel about Ika?

This question is also

@Varsoon

, but do you not think that scum would be more likely to actively lurk vs completely lurk?

@PV

, have you played with 4nx before?

Gonna look at Aero/4nx/others in-depth later.

[Cheetory6]

I don't have a ton of experience with Cheetory (AW, and that's it that I remember) but this doesn't seem like a town approach to the game.

Are you implying that I wasn't super melodramatic in AW?

@Cheetory: Why do you think I'm a scary person? Serious question -- what experience leads you to that conclusion?

Because I was incorrectly scumreading you in AW and you seem like someone people listen to? Bigtown voices make me scurred when I don't townread them.

Both Farside and Mastin have shown an ability to read me like a book, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Uh? So because two people who I don't trust right now say that you're town, I should sheep them? I'm really unclear why you're being baffled about this.

What is an insurance policy? Why did you pick Psyche for this honour?

It's not like I've clarified this like three times already.. but whatever.
I'm choosing not to claim what the insurance policy is or why I chose Psyche.
Why are you rolefishing this so hard? If you suspect me then push me in other ways. There is literally no productive outcome from trying to get me to roleclaim just because.

Decently certain ika does in fact have a track record of activity = town, lurking = scum, thus my interest in the ika wagon, but I'm not sure and am certainly no ika expert.

Can anyone else clarify if ika's latest early towngames are lurky or not?
Kthnx.
Would ask ika but HE'S NOT FRIKIN HERE.

[Cheetory6]

I don't like that he said he thought it was going to be anonymous when he did it to Psyche

Why?

[Cheetory6]

Did you read where Psyche started suspecting me? His first post.
I insured him before the game even started.
My read on him doesn't even enter into in Boo.

[Cheetory6]

And no, I'm not trying to get him killed.
Hence why I haven't been pushing for him or voting for him.
If my role was to get him lynched, then it would be pretty stupid for him to get a PM letting him know.
This entire line of questioning is bugging me. Can you stop trying to get me to fullclaim please?

[Cheetory6]

It's a bastard game, so all bets are off. But whining about rolefishing when the role is already out there ALSO feels fake.

Has it not occurred to you that maybe key aspects of the role aren't out there and I don't want them out there?

[Cheetory6]

I'm bad at ignoring people q.q

[Cheetory6]

btw, who is this Jackal person?

Let me get my Jackel translator out:
"Hi! My name is Jackel and I'm here to prod dodge but I'm not here to do anything game-related!"

Tell me more about why Reina's 193 isn't a townpost.
Can you give me thoughts on 4nxiety as well?

[Cheetory6]

I'm just going to say mastin brought up duck tales mafia as a reference and has since back off using it.

In Duck Tales, I was able to lock things down because I was able to instantly get a feeling for how things were going on.

Eh? That's like five posts above your's farside. Is there something I'm missing here?

[Cheetory6]

@mastin2

, can you link specific posts that ping you as her not-town posting?

[Cheetory6]

I don't see anywhere that I've ignored Psyche or the life insurance.

[Cheetory6]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

[Cheetory6]

@Psyche, hell yeah I took out life insurance on you. What's the big deal?
I was kind of under the impression that I was going to anonymously do it, but apparently not. :c

Not exactly ignoring it?

[Cheetory6]

It does for people who think they can garner a read off of it. He should be able to make his alignment more apparent with activity. How do you suggest dealing with inactives and lurkers? Just let them continue doing nothing?

I think I more just disagree on the principle of thinking that lurking in itself is a nulltell in most cases and I prefer to engage people who are actually here to respond to pressure. I also think there's a bit of a distinction between active lurking and absolute lurking, which is what ika was being voted for. But I'll eat my words on ikawagon because I feel like the pressure actually did something useful. q.q

@PV

, tell me about your top 3 scumreads in some detail pls.

@Anyone who's around

, can someone give me a second opinion on PV? At first I was like "guy seems super unremarkable and I don't think that's in character for him", but the number of times he's changed votes feels kind of town and I'd like for someone to agree/disagree with me/call me stupid. Gogogo.

@Ika

, so you've read everyone now. big frikin whup. Is there any reason you haven't dropped a vote yet?

Don't make another shitty post Jackel. This game is hard enough to read without people being intentionally useless.

Sera is leantown for me for dumb reasons.
I'm still kinda wary of farside. Her reaction to HI's vote was weird. Why should HI know better farside? Tell me about it.

VOTE: Shaft

[Cheetory6]

@ika, I'm dumb. I thought I read somewhere that you'd finished all but 4 and then you posted 4-5 so I thought you were done.
Ignore me.

[Cheetory6]

Can't believe someone gets an unusual role like that and doesn't try to fully understand before using it. I'm also not in favor of the self-preservation by withholding role info, as if scum should fear what you have. Your tight-lipped response to this is actually saying more than you probably even know.

I have good enough reasons for keeping quiet about it and it's not how powerful the role is.

Bottom line, Psyche has to die in order for you to benefit in some way, and (especially) leaving him in the dark about it is a shitty deal.

Psyche won't care come post-game about why I chose him.

If not scum, you have to be 3P. Your role can't be that broken for town that you feel secrecy is more important than enlightening Psyche and the rest of us. If Psyche dies tonight, I'm busting your ass open.

So you think scum doesn't have a pretty solid incentive to kill Psyche now? There's no way you're town and you didn't realize how fucking dumb it would be to say this.

[Cheetory6]

The classic TP role which literally alerts people to your presence the moment you use it. Really helps you do that thing that most third parties want to do called "blending in".

P-Edit:

If Psyche dies tonight, I'm busting your ass open. Scum wouldn't hand you buffs if they knew you weren't with them, and not knowing whether you could use your cash in to confirm yourself or eliminate them somehow.

Didn't read the ideas as linked for some reason. I disagree with what you're saying in effect, but I can at least see how you can come to that conclusion. I'm just annoyed that I can't play a regular VT game and people pushing me like this is making it harder for me to focus on scumhunting.

Can you give me your reads on farside, PV and Brian?

[Cheetory6]

I'm saying that mechanically the role doesn't make sense as a third party role. How does that have anything to do with whether I missed a detail in my rolePM?

[Cheetory6]

@PV

, any reason for the ika unvote?

@Shaft

, can I get your general thoughts on ika and the ika wagon?

Can someone who's diehard for the ika wagon tell me what they think of ika saying this in response to all of the "ika is being reserved"-comments?

f you must know most of my ire and gameplay of sort has been put into check by something that pertain to RL

Is there some other reason that I'm missing for why he's clearly scummy because I'm not really sure if I'm seeing it.

[Cheetory6]

I feel like you're copping out of interacting with me in a weird way. Why does Psyche vouching for me indicate that you should drop this line of inquiry in particular? Like, I get not pursuing my lynch based on that premise, but it feels awkward to be like "I will just ignore Cheet from now on then".
Unless you're writing a response to what I said/that's not what you meant, in which case, clarification would be nice.

[Cheetory6]

I don't think the last question you were asking me was particularly rolefishy in the same way your last line of questioning was?
You could ask me for my read on someone specific? You could prod me about things I've said that are unrelated to my role?
I don't know. I just feel like you saw Psyche be like "nah man don't worry about Cheet" and you were like "k" without a fight just because he's the person I targeted? Why is it up to him whether you question me or not on anything besides something involving my fullclaim?

[Cheetory6]

VOTE: ika

Also gonna say I really didn't like ika's ISO response to me pointing him out. Plus people that ISO themselves tend to be scum from my experience

i) Point out what you're referring to in the first sentence.
ii) Are you saying that people who check their own ISO are scum or people who do ISOs on other people are scum?

Not sure if I should ask what HI is talking about..??

[Cheetory6]

@Psyche

, did ika's "now you get the ire" post not feel like he was trying to satisfy people who feel underwhelmed by his calmer posting thus far?
It could be that I don't understand the context of the HI thing, but that looks pretty fake to me.

I'm also curious as to who you think should be CW if you really don't like the ika wagon?

[Cheetory6]

Can you explain what it is exactly?
Unless it's a touchy subject..? >.>
Or just give me a link to read for context. I have a lot of spare time today.

[Cheetory6]

Like, I would just think he'd be more likely to get pissed off from everyone being like "why aren't you being pissed off?". That seems like something I'd get more annoyed by. Or being wagoned by votes he sees as being shitty?

[Cheetory6]

Zzzzz.
I feel out of depth here.
One second Heartless and others say things I like that make ika wagon seem pretty good.
The next Marquis/Psyche say things that make it seem just okay. q.q

@Marquis

, what do you think of mollie thus far? Given that ika and mollie are close, do you think her being for this makes any difference to you as to how you're reading this?

[Cheetory6]

Lol.

Moving on, I still dislike the ika wagon.

Before you said it seemed RVSy and that was why you didn't like it. What're your more current thoughts on why you don't like it?

[Cheetory6]

I'm saying that people that include themselves in their own ISO's are scum

Just statistically speaking or something? What's the blatant scum motivation for doing that? You missed responding to the first point as well.

[Cheetory6]

You are immune to any global actions that may occur during the game.

This is going to be one of those games isn't it?

[Cheetory6]

Aeronaut tried to kill you last night?

If so then two people in this game literally did the equivalent of pushing that big red button that says "DO NOT PUSH"..

[Cheetory6]

I mean, Aero might have thought he'd be immune to your PGO powers?

[Cheetory6]

VOTE: Flubber
Something about the way he was trying to pin people as being Ika's scumbuddies feels like setup.
I also just kind of feel like his tone is weird this game in a way that I didn't get from the last game I was in with him.

[Cheetory6]

Mastin needs to do things.
There should be plenty to work with at this point.

[Cheetory6]

flub - i was reading and the last post hit my nerve
flub the reason i havent agroed anyone yet is cus nobody had given me a full reason to, if you would like to start it, 489 is a great way to start my agro up. there are sevral other reasons that i havnt been agro yet but i will say what that is later.

ohithere.
Level of engagement here in ika's readlist is higher than it is in other places, and given the amount of involvement flubb's had in this game so far, it feels unwarranted and that kind of makes me like Flubb more for scum.

[Cheetory6]

I'm pretty curious as to what happened during night cycle as well, but is it particularly productive to speculate too hard as to what happened? I can already see five-six people coming in and coasting by on night action speculation.

Heartless, can you take a look at flubb?
Also, are you claiming your restriction for this cycle or keeping it a mystery?

[Cheetory6]

Hi Ari.
I don't think farside is suicidal.
I don't think Heartless is lying about getting invention.
Psyche and mastin are claiming two different things unless I'm mistaken.
You should tell me what you think about flubber before you go.

P-Edit:

Protect
..
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Doctor

What's the difference between these two?

[Cheetory6]

But Ari, those are metatells and not scumtells for Flubber that you're voting him for.
:c

What was it about the hyperbole on the counterwagon did you like?

[Cheetory6]

Incidentally, Aeronaut, by extension, might be scum or might be town. I'll explain later.

What?

[Cheetory6]

Oh I get it nvm.

Vote tag, not bold tag, because I am THAT sure.

Can I get to know why? I like being in the know.

[Cheetory6]

Cheet, are you saying my points on Flubber are against his town meta? I don't see your point there.

Was saying he did a lot of the things you're on his case for in the last game that he was in with me and he was town and I'm wondering how you feel about that.
I'm also just kind of generally curious what you liked about his "counter wagon is bad!" stuff. Is it solely on the premise that ika flipped scum and hating on the counter wagon would have made him more likely to be town?

For the Ari wagoners, I personally would like Ari to have a bit of breathing room to get his footing in the game before people start piling onto him. I have a long history with him and he's notoriously a target of somewhat shitty wagons [as both town and scum]. I'm just kind of generally curious if people are on his case for his tone or for other reasons, because if it's his tone then I'm asking that people should take a step back and understand that his tone generally tends to put him under scrutiny.

I also happen to like Ari a bunch, and a naked wagon on him is kind of a shitty way for him to start into the game as a replacement. >.>
Not really townreading him, but this 95% chance of being scum stuff feels like horseshit to me.

cheetory, what happens for you when I die?
I can almost assure you that it won't result in me never dying.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Still can't really elaborate, but if all goes according to plan I will be in the list of confirmed town.

i haven't quite figured out my relationship with mastin yet
but because of it i'm relatively sure he's town

Welp okay. I thought this wasn't the case but apparently I'm wrong.

[Cheetory6]

Was saying he did a lot of the things you're on his case for in the last game that he was in with me and he was town and I'm wondering how you feel about that.

And for the record, this stuff feels more like general meta than reasons to townread or scumread him.

[Cheetory6]

Zzzz.
VOTE: Sera
That reaction to Heartless felt nasty.

[Cheetory6]

I voted him, so yeah, I did.

My meta on you is only from AW, but I definitely found it easier to understand your thought process there and it felt like there was less of a potential agenda there than here.

What's the case on Marquis exactly?

[Cheetory6]

You hypocrite.

[Cheetory6]

But Psyche. q.q
Mastin is trustworthy? Like definitely so?

[Cheetory6]

@flubb, I mean that was his entire response to Heartless making a huge case on him.
It's not necessarily that he asked the question, but the context in which he made said question was pretty nasty.

Don't know if I'm into this push on Ari. I kind of want for him to at least get some reads on the table and it makes me sad that both of you didn't wait until after he did so to push him. If he is scum then he's going to be way more on his guard with what he's saying from here.
Why not question him or push him for reads before outting this result?

[Cheetory6]

Also @flubb, I'll take a look at marquis stuff tomorrow, but my initial reaction is that I don't really see glaring scumminess from him and the case on him seems more like him potentially being a hypocrite than anything but I could just be reading it wrong.

[Cheetory6]

With claim, the questioning instead of actually analyzing the case makes more sense. I basically don't think Sera would have gone into this situation in this manner if he didn't think he could get away with focusing just on claim mechanics, so I basically believe the claim, but I don't know if he's town or scum bulletproof/redirector.
Assuming Heartless is town and Aero didn't shoot Heartless, Sera being mafia bulletproof could potentially explain why mafia didn't die when taking a shot at Heartless. I do kind of question why Sera would 1v1 Heartless like this as scum, but I also kind of feel like he just knows that it would be hard to shake off Heartless and thus creating a dumb, noisy 1v1 would probably eventually shake off suspicion. I can already kind of feel the situation disarming a bit, so I can't help but feel that may have been his intention in the first place by attacking Heartless's role instead of their argument for him being scum.

@Sera

, do you think it's at all plausible that you and Heartless could have differently functioning bulletproofs? Like, do you think it's possible that the mod would have informed Heartless that upon getting the bulletproof, it was ruined?

nobody is this bad

That's silly.
Don't be silly.

[Cheetory6]

I'm basically also feeling pretty WTF at the idea of there being two bulletproof based roles and with what Aero's role was and any other potential protection roles being in the game it seems pretty stacked against nightkills in a ridiculous way that seems unrealistic to me.

Also, did Sera claim that ika targetted him?

[Cheetory6]

Also,
VOTE: Seraphim.
Full-BPs don't get informed they're shot, normally.
X-shot BPs near-universally DO get informed they're shot, soyeah.

Hi why does this make Sera scum?

[Cheetory6]

Wasn't bulge a self-watcher? q.q
Fuck, trying to parse this setup is going to make me go crazy.

Or about my obvious towniness.

I'll kill you.

P-Edit: @4nx, you're probably right. I shouldn't try to understand the setup when so little of it is out there yet. >.>

[Cheetory6]

It's just what's currently in my face is like "no kills should be happening" so it feels like some of it must be coming from scum but you guys are probably right that I'm just biased based on a small piece of the setup and I should move on to bigger and better things:

pirate mollie and Heartless are both still incredibly town.

Hi guys this is the only thing that Sera said about Heartless D1. Sera's not going to give Heartless any kind of a benefit of the doubt based on their play this game because?????????
Yeah.
This vote is still really fucking good.

[Cheetory6]

Sera counterwagoned ika.
He should probably know that he would look bad for it.
How can he not understand why people would think he's scummy today?
How can he immediately jump on a strong townread for mechanic-level stuff like this?
I'm calling bullshit the more I look at this.

[Cheetory6]

It could have been that scum felt like Heartless was enough of a threat that a full-bulletproof role might have decided to kill them and they wouldn't have to worry about someone protecting them?
That would kind of mess with what I'm thinking about Sera being x-shot bulletproof because I don't think they would bother wasting a 1-shot bulletproof just to kill Heartless like you said, but maybe it's possible that it's like 2-shot bulletproof? IDK. I'm definitely way more convinced by the exaggerated manner in which he's addressing a situation which should really easily come across as potentially being TownvTown in his eyes if he is town and especially so considering it's an interaction with someone he was calling obvious town D1.

[Cheetory6]

But what if it's quadball? Dundundunnnnn.

[Cheetory6]

So you don't think Heartless got an invention from farside?

[Cheetory6]

Also, Sera only started the 1v1 after Heartless made a huge case on them. To act like there's no potential motivation for forcing a big dramatic argument like that is borderline ridiculous. Also, you're on Heartless for seeming unrealistically overdramatic. Is Sera not being unrealistically overdramatic over PRmechanic stuff which is realistically in a black box on someone he was hard townreading on D1?

[Cheetory6]

I mean, I don't think Heartless would lie about getting the invention. I don't know why they would do that as they could really easily get CCed on the invention? Was basically asking Gilga why his thought process landed anywhere but there.
I don't know if Heartless is conftown, but there's absolutely no way they'd fake getting an invention.. that makes no sense to me.
I don't like mastin right now, but I'm not interested in pursuing them atm. I want her to elaborate on her read on Sera more because her vote looked really opportunistic.

[Cheetory6]

pursuing her*

@Gilga

, can you possibly walk me through the lurker pressuring angle? Do you ordinarily try to pressure lurkers on the fringe vs applying pressure to a bigger wagon?

[Cheetory6]

Heartless, you are not good enough of a player to be condescending to me.

[Cheetory6]

Did you not read my post, mongrel? Is Scum-Heartless immune to receiving inventions from farside?

Missed bolded part because I'm a dumdum.

kill farside at Night. farside seems to be a more logical NK target from multiple factions as opposed to Heartless, which is an unlikely anti-town NK target (vig, possibly).

They could still have received the BP vest or another invention

, potentially picking up on PR vibes from farside;

I think of all things to doubt, Heartless bullshitting their role is one of the literal last things I expect atm.
If they're scum, I think they are what they say they are. To pretend that Heartless would make up a role which would literally constantly be forced to be tested in so many ways and will probably force them to get cleared as a policy pre-LyLo kill is ridiculous.

Do you think scum-Seraphim decided to ignore Heartless, go 'oh shit hold on' and fabricate a false line of reasoning leading into a counterclaim in the two minute span after ignoring them?

Nah. In my head it makes more sense that Sera would be 2-shot bulletproof or something and it is indeed actually his role and that it potentially is different in mechanics from what farside's BP does. I just think he's using it as a reason to throw doubt onto Heartless right now rather than actually trying to sort and engage the situation.

Assume Sera is town. Assume his roleclaim is truthful. Actually, assume you have Sera's role. Someone claims that their role doesn't function the way your does. Even if it's a 'hard townread', would you not react the same way he is (962, 1017)?

Ok.
Now follow my thoughts on this:
Assume Sera is town, hardreading Heartless as town. "Heartless is obvtown to me right now!"
Heartless claims that her bulletproof was used and pushes a case on Sera.
Sera responds by overdramatically claiming that Heartless has to be scum because the bulletproof working differently?
I would have a moment of hesitation if I got a cop guilty on my biggest townread. Wouldn't you?

[Cheetory6]

i) Why would anyone use a roleblock and a kill on a single person in a game this big? Unless scum roleblocked and killed farside [which I doubt hugely], then there's no reason to believe that Heartless didn't get a bulletproof. It's an entirely different ballgame whether the bulletproof actually got used and Heartless is lying, but then that begs other questions that I'm surprised you haven't asked yourself if Heartless was genuinely a townread for you on D1.

ii)

Farside knew about Heartless being a PGO

Are you sure about this? Why?

iii) It feels like you have to jump through like ten hoops to get to the conclusion you've reached.
You being this confident about scumHeartless given how this looks to me just feels really fake.

iv) What do you make of the modmeta that Heartless posted about the bulletproof stuff?

[Cheetory6]

@Sera

:

I realise you are not asking me, but I'm going to say that Farside overlooking a claim and just going with her top town read isn't that out of character in my opinion. I believe Heartless 100 percent. I am not fussed about the number of assumed and claimed bulletproofs floating around right now.

Do you disagree with Bookitty's assessment of what happened with farside?

Actor and Hated are the only confirmable modifiers. It's possible they are scum lying about the other modifiers.

You're saying that you think Heartless probably got the invention last night cycle, but you think they might be lying about the PGO aspect?

[Cheetory6]

I think if Sera is scum then Gilga is probably town.
I don't think he'd defend a scummate after Sera got put in the hotseat this cycle for doing the same thing D1.

[Cheetory6]

why no love?

I only have 1 completed game with you. I wanted skull lynched/day vigged whatever cos she was scummy on d1. the jon push was pl push cos of the spam posting. which in post game made sense.

so after an ika flip which revealed that he was scum and given our 1 game together why no love?

Are you essentially asking why I'm not townreading you?

[Cheetory6]

Also, I feel very uncomfortable.
Can someone please keep mollie away from me?
I don't feel safe.

[Cheetory6]

I try not to say townreads out loud unless I feel it's useful.

[Cheetory6]

And I'm honestly not like super familiar with her meta. One day cycle in a crazyass Varsoon game isn't enough for me to be super confident in reading someone who seems pretty decent at mafia.
Thus, to be clear, I'm leaning town on Mollie, but not confidently so.

[Cheetory6]

cheetos

have a seat.

You scared my poor frail soul.

[Cheetory6]

Bleh.
I 100% didn't mean to come across as douchey.
I've been trying to have more fun in the games I play in.
Should just stick to playing the game because when I try to have fun/joke around people think I'm being a dick q.q

[Cheetory6]

@Ari

, I think it's because you know my style of humour.
I don't think it comes across as clearly in text :c

I think the part of the argument you should really look into is the tone moreso than the mechanics aspect. Sera was obvtownreading Heartless on D1 and his transition into a hardpush on Heartless for differing mechanics feels like it's ignoring that context and there isn't much analysis of Heartless's play in and of itself, which just kind of feels off. I realize that he's promised to elaborate more on Heartless later, but it just feels like if he was town trying to make sense of the situation, he would be engaging Heartless and waiting to do that analysis before being like "HEARTLESS IS SCUMM". Y'know?

P-Edit:

@Mollie

, you'll know if I'm trying to insult you, for the record. If it seems like I 'might' be, then I'm probably not.
I think my opinion on Gilga is inversely linked to Sera now. If Sera is town, then his contrary stature in this situation comes across as more likely to be trying to position himself in a protown position. I think he knows that a Heartless lynch isn't going to happen this cycle, thus he's kind of indirectly positioned himself against a Sera lynch without actually directly connecting himself to the situation. If Sera is scum, then I doubt he'd muck around with trying to derail a scumlynch twice in a row. Would look too bad.
I don't really have much of an opinion on Gilga otherwise. I know linking him to a flip is potentially a little gross looking, but it's more or less how I feel at this point.

PP-Edit: Why must you make me feel guilty for the whole life insurance thing? q.q

[Cheetory6]

Estival looks like scum.

[Cheetory6]

Small thoughts before I go fail midterm.

@Ari

, how's the flubber vote going? Getting anything useful from it? ;D
If Estival flips scum then I'll be coming back to Ari later. That interaction a page ago was awkward.
PV and Shaft are both in this game. Both need to start being more remarkable because I don't associate either of them with anything interesting that's happened this cycle.

@Flubber

, you should stop being IDK on sera. Looks like you're trying to avoid taking a stance. Marquis wagon isn't happening today.

[Cheetory6]

Also jeeze, that BRO wagon got a lot more votes than I thought it did. :/

[Cheetory6]

Good luck! I'm hoping for multiple choice on your behalf!

*fingers crossed*
Hopefully if I do badly it won't go on your permanent record for me

[Cheetory6]

What's BRO's towngame like?

[Cheetory6]

So please explain how one case is stronger than the other because they're both weighing out in my mind.

Do you think Marquis's interactions with you are objectively scummy? Like, can you explain where you're coming from when you say he's as scummy as Sera, because that isn't clear to me.

Sera seems like scum largely based on tone and timing of his posts. The manner in which he's addressing the suspicion on him seems to be coming from a place of self-preservation, rather than a place of genuinely trying to sort the game. His kneejerk attack on Heartless was especially bad because he was hard townreading them on D1. Waiting to hear a more comprehensive post from him, but as of right now he's done nothing that hasn't struck me as plausibly being scum just trying to stay alive.

@Heartless

, I'm not seeing scumBRO from what's been said about him so far/what I've seen from him so far.

[Cheetory6]

Boon, are you scum this game? Why are you so unremarkable when it's friggin' D2 yoh?

[Cheetory6]

Someone hit me in the face with a BRO case.

[Cheetory6]

I am not good at cases; I am only really good at pointing to certain aspects of people's play when taken as a whole. I don't believe in scumslips as being a typical way to catch scum, I consider play holistically.

Do you think the way that you voted for Heartless this cycle is in line with this?

[Cheetory6]

VOTE: Varsoon
Lot's of time left and I'm curious what people think of this motherfucker who thinks it's okay to be voting Seraphim while popping in to call BRO scum.

[Cheetory6]

I don't want your poo.
I asked for BROthings and you ignored me.
I'm gonna do my own thing now because I'm a spiteful person. c:

[Cheetory6]

Flubb, talk to me about that Varsoon motherfucker guy.

[Cheetory6]

TALK TO ME.
DON'T JUST SNIDE ME IN THE FACE.

[Cheetory6]

@flubb, Varsoon was like hyperactive in AW, albeit under very specific circumstances. Is his activity usually this variable when he's town?

[Cheetory6]

Wait I'm dumb, he was super lurky as town in F&I. I don't know what I'm talking about.

I'll get to a mollie case when I'm not on a bus to NYC

INCENTIVE.
VOTE: BRO

P-Edit: Shmeh. Neither reference is particularly useful when his emotions are a brick in this game.
Hoping for a good catchup from him at some point.

[Cheetory6]

what is pretty funny is that in capscom bro and I were scum together and I blew up at him and wis for trying to plan out who they were going to bus! he knows how I feel about d1 bussing that is why i really think he is scum!

Talk at me about this.
BRO should also talk at me about this.

[Cheetory6]

You should probably not play mafia anymore if you're telling the truth.

[Cheetory6]

Like, I'm not trying to be insulting, sorry, that wasn't my intention.
It's like.
If it's stressing you out that much just that people think that you're scum that you're willing to claim doctor and it's ruining your vacation then maybe you just aren't enjoying yourself in a game of mafia.

[Cheetory6]

If you think mollie is scum, then why does her push for you bother you so much?
If that's not the issue then who's bothering you so much?

[Cheetory6]

If Mollie's play bugs you so much why be frustrated by it enough to be willing to claim and be a detriment to town if she's super likely to be scum in your eyes?
Zzzzzz.

[Cheetory6]

@Varsoon, are you informed as to which side of the alignment fence the doc is sitting on?

[Cheetory6]

Why do we need to know the details of Varsoon's role?

[Cheetory6]

@Boo, I don't get it, but okay.

VOTE: Estival
Pretty sure this slot is scum.
Moreso than others.

Sera might still be worth looking into and I think he really needs to give a more comprehensive case.
I don't feel like BRO is scum. He needs to elaborate on his mollie protection stuff though because that's confusing.

[Cheetory6]

I think he really needs to give a more comprehensive case.

Holy shit I can't even do words today.
He really needs to give more comprehensive thoughts on things.
Willing to give him the space to do so.

[Cheetory6]

Wait, please.

Okie.
Wanna sheep on estival in the meantime?
She scum yoh.

[Cheetory6]

Actually, it occurs to me that BRO protecting mollie might make sense for mysterious

~reasons~

.
OoooOoOooOoo.

I feel like there's no reason for a wagon on him right now that I can think of other than people not thinking enough.

[Cheetory6]

Boo, help me out yoh. :c

I wonder if he was bussed by anyone on his team though as his general stance is that he doesn't like being scum and it always goes awry.

If you wonder whether he was getting bussed, why are you only analyzing people who defended him?

Honey bee and amateur stood out to me in their soft defenses of ika. Psyche why were you so adamant on the ika wagon not happening or being stalled?

If Honey Bee and amatuer stood out to you, why are you asking Psyche questions about his defense instead of them? Why would you vote for Honey instead of amatuer if his wagon has more momentum behind it?

Why was your vote on Honey Bee for so long if you literally did nothing to try and interact with her? You ask plenty of other people questions, why not her?

Why is honeybee a loser? I looked at her ISO and she had a couple of "will catch up" or "hard to get into this" posts which always ping me as off as well as the general lurkering.

Did you forget that you were voting for Honey here?

Also, what are your thoughts on Seraphim/BRO?

[Cheetory6]

@Boo, haven't thought of something you haven't, but unless we want BRO to fullclaim then there's nothing more to really say about it.
If the biggest issue with him right now is that his choice of protection doesn't make any kind of sense, then I think it's more likely that Critic made some monstrosity of a role than it is that BRO would tell us that he protected someone he scumread. Why would he make up who he protected as being someone he is supposedly scumreading? Would be shit-tier scumplay.

[Cheetory6]

Heh. You're probably right on the competency.
I still think it's reasonably plausible that Critic made a fucked up doctor role though.

[Cheetory6]

Mostly, I'm playing this game because it promised to be fun and less strainful then other mafia games. So that is how I'm playing.

NO FUN. NO FUN ALLOWED.
Your Sera and BRO reads are empty.
You should fill them with what you believe their alignments are.

[Cheetory6]

I really don't like this. Why lynch a lurker? Why not request the mod to prod and then if nothing comes of it then wait for a replace? Lynching someone who could be town, in a game with possible two scum factions or who knows what else, is bad and scummy.

This wasn't what Ari was saying.
Ari being prickly makes sense given that some jerkfaces thought they had a guilty on him when they didn't and were pushing him for it and then you misrepped him. What're you hoping to do with your poking of him if you're not asking him anything or actually giving him an actual legitimate reason for pushing him while voting for him? This entire interaction between you and Ari is just weird.

He claimed he was demotivated last night. An x-shot bulletproof wouldn't know if they were demotivated, would they? He said he didn't use any actions.

That's not all of Sera's claim.
He claimed bulletproof and redirector iirc.

P-Edit:

Cheetory6, why and how did you choose your avatar name?

Heh? What're you asking me here?

Heartless seems to be the Big Dog or Cerebrus so why would Seraphim as scum go against him when he's got so much support?

To get exactly this kind of reaction ideally.

[Cheetory6]

He did claim self-redirector here:

I am the Lumpy Space Princess. I have two abilities: one is my one-shot BP. The other is a two-shot self-redirector which takes a person's ability and redirects it to me that night. I took no action last night because it was not obvious who the scum were so I did not attempt to eat the kill...also I would not have been informed (WHICH IS WHY I ASKED IN THE FIRST PLACE) if I had been shot rendered my role useless as a quasi-Watcher type.

Him being demotivated actually kind of seems kind of bullshit in the context of this post.
I feel like he forgot that he claimed he was demotivated when he made this post. Like he's saying "oh the reason I didn't use any abilities last night was because of me being demotivated!" in one post and then in the next he's saying "oh I decided not to use my abilities".

VOTE: Seraphim

I feel like there's really no reason not to lynch him at this point. I really feel like he's scum and there's too many holes in the way he's been acting/his claim for me to be more comfortable with the idea of lynching anyone else. :/

[Cheetory6]

I accept the naughtiness.
I still think Sera is scum though.

[Cheetory6]

We got the PM that told us about farside's invention right before the mod did the flips and unlocked the thread. It's conceivable that Seraphim got such a PM telling him he was demotivated at day break and he didn't use an action.

Do you think that someone who doesn't use an action would get informed that they were demotivated though?

[Cheetory6]

Feh.
You're right, nice catch. q.q
UNVOTE:
I guess I can be patient and wait for Boo/mollie to do things.

[Cheetory6]

You told me to wait for Varsoon things to happen, so I am.
Not really expecting you to do anything besides that.

[Cheetory6]

Yeahyeah, I know.
I'm curious what you're doing there and am waiting for him to answer so you can answer.
Wootwoot.

[Cheetory6]

so what i am left with is that I think scum really want a doc death.

So you think BRO is more likely town?

Also why didn't Honey get put in the naughty pile too? :c

[Cheetory6]

YES!
JOIN ME!

LET'S NOT BE NAUGHTY IN THE NAUGHTY CORNER TOGETHER THOUGH.

[Cheetory6]

@Sera, how much do you like your Boon vote?
If it's a bunch, why?

What do you think of estival atm?

[Cheetory6]

I'm like 75% sure that estival is playing a gimmick scumgame.
"Hey guys I'm just here to have fun! That's why my reads are literally completely empty and none of my pushes have anything behind them."
I know that estival isn't a complete noob, so this looks a lot more like posturing than anything to try and keep herself alive.

[Cheetory6]

I'm pretty sure she's played offsite.
Would need to ask her for specific details.

[Cheetory6]

zzzzzz.
VOTE: Shaft

[Cheetory6]

Tomorrow estival will probably face my hardcore tunnelmode wrath if she doesn't start fucking towning it up in here.

[Cheetory6]

@Heartless

,
Can you explain to me why you were okay with pressure on Sera dropping?
I'm looking at your ISO and I don't get it.
Why is he town now?
Also, what's your stance on gilgamesh at this point?

[Cheetory6]

Sorry if it's throwing anyone for a loop?

I refuse to accept your apology!
You'd better be obvtown by endgame to make up for helping to cause me being paranoid. o.o

Also holy shit the Shaft wagon started on this page. q.q

[Cheetory6]

I can't tell if he's VI or scum and I don't trust him.

I'm reasonably confident that the VI-ness is being overdone to get exactly this reaction.

[Cheetory6]

I would vote estival if Jackel wasn't on the wagon. I can't tell if he's VI or scum and I don't trust him.

Wait no, this is about Jackel, right?
Why is one vote in a 27 player game deterring you from voting from someone? Especially since you're just not sure and you're not full on scumreading him? Seems like a ridiculous reason to not vote for someone.
What do you find scummy about estival?

[Cheetory6]

Estival can you link some of your older games from offsite?

[Cheetory6]

Can't look at elusive games because they're all ongoing games.
I'd prefer finished games from offsite.

[Cheetory6]

I will be present to help the estival wagon happen very shortly.
Shaft should do words first.

[Cheetory6]

Oh man, can Sera hammer Estival? If she's town that's like two birds with one stone.
Also lol there's no way she's actually supersaint if Heartless is telling the truth.

[Cheetory6]

If she's not scared of her meta speaking to her being town then she should link her old games.

[Cheetory6]

Cheetory6, maybe there's a very real personal reason I don't want to share the link to that forum.

Gotcha.

I don't really care, if you're planning to lynch me for not giving you a link to a forum I used to be on then your playstyle can fall into an abyss.

Do you really think I'm threatening to lynch you over this?
Do you really think I'm scumreading you over this?
I want your town meta to either confirm or disprove my suspicions of you pretending to be weaker at this game than you actually are to coast by without coming under scrutiny.

You've continually tried to frame this like people who're scumreading you are scum.
You've indirectly framed me as scum for pushing you, but you've never directly committed to it.
You've been sidelining all of the main wagons except for when I've prodded you into giving your thoughts on them and when you did give your thoughts they were empty.
You're pushing Jackel of all people. Like, jesus that's super boring.
I think you've been overplaying a gimmick of "I want to have fun in this game" and now that you've been pressured your actual personality is coming through. The personality suppression is what makes me feel strongest that you're playing a synthetic scumgame.
I want to see if you have any boring towngames.
If you're not willing to provide any, then I can just go on assuming that your towngame isn't boring and move forward with my super epic death tunnel on you.

[Cheetory6]

Jackel, don't be a dork.
Correcting people's spelling is petty.

[Cheetory6]

Meh fuck it.
If shaft doesn't post before the end of the cycle he should get shot in the face.

VOTE: estival

[Cheetory6]

@Marquis

, does everything I'm saying about estival really strike you as me being pissed off at her?

[Cheetory6]

who i am pretty sure he is scum for how he is acting in our hood

I am zzzzzzzzing. Is this Advanced War again or what?

this is a bad cw on an unlikeable player

BOO FOR BAD SUMMARY OF MY CASE. YOU SUCK. :C:C:C

]I am giving him 20 minutes to do something amazing and then I am going to outline why this is such a glorious lynch.

OK. I EXPECT SOMETHING AMAZING.

[Cheetory6]

cheery if you do not stop tunneling I will knock the shit out of you.

You haven't even given me a Shaft case yet.
You're so mean to me for no reason mollie :c
Also, I ain't no cheery dog.

[Cheetory6]

Cheery's

[Cheetory6]

Who is the elephant in the room elusive?
Jackel?

[Cheetory6]

Who is the elephant in the room estival?
Jackel?

-.- fixd.

[Cheetory6]

BRO does raise an interesting and incredibly valid point on Bookitty. Zzzzzz.

@Heartless

, do you think Sera's AtE is playing into Anti's read on him in an unrealistic way?
I haven't looked too much into the timing of it, so I could see how he might think that townSera would be demotivated by realizing he'd made a mistake, but I think it's possibly more likely that scumSera would be trying to dismantle pressure on himself.
I'm a little wary of Boo, but I'm no where near as interested in a lynch on her as I am on Sera/estival. I think it'd be something more worth looking into later.

No, but you and the rest of town should know since you've been in this game longer.

Coyface.
Was that a slip estival?
Do you know that I'm town?
[I'm probably kidding but you're still probably scum]

It can't be just someone who walked in day two and who is not your normal standards of whatever is normal.

Do you think people should give you a pass because of this?

[Cheetory6]

I'm actually so hurt that people are sheeping the case on estival now that reina and jackel have reworded it :'(

Also, I feel like she's backing off the supersaint claim because she realized that Heartless already basically claimed that.

[Cheetory6]

Who do you think is scum 4nx?

[Cheetory6]

Also, I don't really think this is alignment indicative, but I find it amusing that estival is calling Boo sensitive while refusing to give old games because she's worried about what people will think about her :'(
boohooo.

[Cheetory6]

Also also

@4nx

, can you walk me through why you feel that estival's wild theories are more likely to come from town?

I'm not giving it because of personal drama there that I don't want dredged up and that I left that site to get away from but you seem keen to keep it up. I'm quite proud of the reasons I left that site.

Ok.
You're still being a total jerk to someone I think is nifty and I quite think you should fuck off with the uselessly mean remarks.

[Cheetory6]

Whatever. This is getting out of the scope of this game.

Why is your strongest scumread just "I think lurking and small posts is scummy"-scumread?
Do you think I should find it unusual that your reads are remarkably unremarkable?

[Cheetory6]

Wait no, this is about Jackel, right?
Why is one vote in a 27 player game deterring you from voting from someone? Especially since you're just not sure and you're not full on scumreading him? Seems like a ridiculous reason to not vote for someone.
What do you find scummy about estival?

Sera. Can you answer where your head was at here?

[Cheetory6]

Ok Boo.
Is there some kind of reason that your posts are reading as being really mechanical right now?
Like.. I just feel like your tone is weird right now and I'm wondering if there's a reason for that..?

[Cheetory6]

but his case on why shaft is not scum means shafts flip should give town info on him and his possible associates.

Where is his case on why shaft isn't scum?
What do you think of mastin calling your vote on shaft a busvote?

[Cheetory6]

such a shite wagon.

Are you just looking at the playernames or are you actually looking at the case on her?

[Cheetory6]

Point at the specific passive aggressive post please.

What do you think of mastin calling your vote on shaft a busvote?

[Cheetory6]

@estival

, are you sure that's the reason that mastin is calling it a busvote?

[Cheetory6]

The dumb blurbs about the lack of hard townreads on estival wagon are stupid.
Is it not plausible that the reason that the wagon might be bad is because scum wants to be on it to look good on a scumlynch? People are just looking at the wagon and blindly being like NO ESTIVAL IS PROBABLY TOWN BECAUSE THE VOTERS ARE SHITTY. Weak fucking surface level analysis.

I'm not as confident as I was before, but this wagon is not nearly as bad as most of its detractors are trying to imply it is. Estival's latest posts have been null, but her entry to this game was fucking awful and her excusing it on the lack of RVS feels pretty garbage to me. Her tone was super fake. Her pushes were uninspired. Her reads were empty.
How anyone can completely defend that with "she's just a noob stop tunneling" or "the wagon is bad" is beyond me, but this is going no where.

Tired of how stalled this game is. Shaft needs to either defend himself, replace out or die.
VOTE: Shaft

[Cheetory6]

What is your analysis?

Also, very weak and pathetic play. Reina has agreed to hammer based on the confidence of his read.

Make my lynch happen but you will have to provide analysis.

I have no idea what you're asking me here.

Also, I would say that quoting the "dumb blurbs" or at least speaking directly to people makes sense so everyone knows who you're railing against. Clarity is in town's best interest and obfuscation in scums.

Varsoon. BRO. Mollie's initial reaction to it.

I mean Cheetory6, did you or did you not threaten to tunnel me?

Your latest posting is less scummy than your entry. I'm less confident in being able to sort your posts that I find really annoying. Speaking of which:

Should I quote it for you or can you find it yourself?

Going to try not to humour your bullshit anymore. I feel like you like the reactions you get from shit like this.

Soo you complain about everybody's complaints of the wagon and then hop off of it?

Do you think estival lynch is going to happen with the support it has right now? People are stuck on Shaft, so he should fucking get in here and do literally anything so the game can move forward. I have no qualms with lynching someone linked to a scumflip who's holding the game's momentum hostage.

[Cheetory6]

God you're just such a fucking piece of work.
You give people shit about not reading your ISO while not reading my ISO and posturing over me apparently not providing analysis on you.

I'm like 75% sure that estival is playing a gimmick scumgame.
"Hey guys I'm just here to have fun! That's why my reads are literally completely empty and none of my pushes have anything behind them."
I know that estival isn't a complete noob, so this looks a lot more like posturing than anything to try and keep herself alive.

Do you really think I'm threatening to lynch you over this?
Do you really think I'm scumreading you over this?
I want your town meta to either confirm or disprove my suspicions of you pretending to be weaker at this game than you actually are to coast by without coming under scrutiny.

You've continually tried to frame this like people who're scumreading you are scum.
You've indirectly framed me as scum for pushing you, but you've never directly committed to it.
You've been sidelining all of the main wagons except for when I've prodded you into giving your thoughts on them and when you did give your thoughts they were empty.
You're pushing Jackel of all people. Like, jesus that's super boring.
I think you've been overplaying a gimmick of "I want to have fun in this game" and now that you've been pressured your actual personality is coming through. The personality suppression is what makes me feel strongest that you're playing a synthetic scumgame.
I want to see if you have any boring towngames.
If you're not willing to provide any, then I can just go on assuming that your towngame isn't boring and move forward with my super epic death tunnel on you.

What in particular about Varsoon, BRO, Mollie are you having difficulty with? Since you are having difficulty that implies a scum read, ergo you should provide a scum case.

I'm not finding what they said scummy. I can be annoyed about something without scumreading someone for it.

You've already asked for my meta and could technically ISO my alt. Are you putting in the work or not because I would.

I can't use anything in your ISO as a case in this game because you only have ongoing games. I've already said this.

You stated you were going to tunnel me and now you seem to have unvoted my wagon, slipped off right as I got Reina to agree to hammering and therefore showing 100% confidence in his reads.

I've given reasons for my unvote. If you want to choose to ignore them you may. I don't really give enough of a fuck to care right now because I know your lynch isn't happening right now and I'm not going to uselessly park my vote when it can be used better on Shaft.

I think wagoning a less active player is going to stall harder than wagoning estival

If Shaft isn't going to post then he should replace out. If he's town then this wagon will hopefully influence him to either replace or post. If he's scum then he'll probably try to coast it out.

[Cheetory6]

If the momentum is there I'll switch my vote. I'd even consider hammering if people are going to be dumb about that.

What is your read on Shaft so far? It seems like you don't think he is scum unless he doesn't speak?

My read on him is biased by his interactions with me. I tend to kneejerk scale back my reads on anyone who pushes me because I get worried about OMGUSing.
I think the connection between him and ika is convincing.
I think his lack of posting is null. Given that he's a main wagon, I find it frustrating that he's not here because it stalls the game.
I only want to lynch you, Shaft or Sera this cycle if that gives you any kind of indication as to where my read on him is.

"Epic death tunnel" seems like it would be something special.

Are you actually curious about this or are you just trying to fuck with me?

Analysis that I'm used to and which is generally the definition of the word, is breaking down a case with evidence from posts, interactions, etc to prove statements. Evidence is required in analysis as well as explanation for it otherwise its merely opinion or even hearsay.

I find digging through ISOs for specific quotes to be a great way to confbias into a scumread.
I play with feeling. I felt very strongly that you were scum earlier and now you're still who I feel is most likely to be scum, but I'm less dead sure about it and it has nothing to do with your claim or Reina. It might be partially due to Mollie's recent thoughts on you resonating slightly with me and because of dumb self meta reasons that I'll elaborate on if people actually give a shit.

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DID SOMEONE SAY ALLEY-OOP?

VOTE: estival

If Shaft doesn't say anything before the end of the cycle then I will be sad at him in a vocal way.

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I thought you wanted Shaft lynch?
If you do you should actually make a case like you promised three days ago.

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Estival case is probably inflated.
I think it's still pretty good though.

I could see the angle of her just not caring as town because she thinks we're dumb, but I think the defeatism and boringness in tone is more indicative of scum knowing there's no way out of a lynch.

I honestly am getting a little wary of you Heartless. For reasons that are probably obvious.
If estival is town then I wouldn't mind a check on Heartless for sanity's sake.

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Supersaint thing.
I feel like I would be expecting you to fight this lynch harder if you actually cared, but instead it kind of feels like you're trying to indirectly push it off the rails and I wouldn't be terribly surprised if it was because you were worried about the doubt the flip could bring to you.

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"You came from another site and we want to make sure you know that we're better than you on this site."

I don't have a problem with your site or your playstyle. I don't care much for your attitude though. [granted I'm a piece of shit as well, so *shrug*]
I'm voting you because I think you're scum.
The mere fact that you're saying that you think I'm voting you because of that reason makes me feel like you're lying.

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Are you townreading estival, Heartless?

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Yes, and I don't know what more you want me to do regarding this wagon

Could call people on it dumb? Could call me dumb? IDK.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Is there any reason to not test if she's full of shit on this unlynchable thing right now?

[Cheetory6]

Gilgamesh literally faked a dayvig earlier this game.
I'll believe this unlynchable thing is true when someone tests it.

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I'm fucking dying.

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Lynch all liars.

Oh my.

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Can we go for a world record of most votes on someone?
Can we get all 24 of us on estival?
EVERYONE GET IN FOR THE BIG FAMILY PICTURE.

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I would cry if her being told she was unlynchable was bastard.

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Bastard as in it doesn't actually work.
I think I would be filled with the joy of a perfect plan being made and it all coming crashing down from the stars above.

I actually have no coherent thoughts to add to the game right now.
Should probably go and make some coffee and then pour it on my head.

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Apparently I'm not even important enough for a mention.
Sigh.

@estival

, how long ago was it your intention to try and run yourself up for the purpose of trying to find scum/see who would be town enough to try and drop the hammer on someone who seems like a supersaint?
Did you read Gilgamesh's fake dayvig earlier in this game?

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Not actually upset
Just being melodramatic.

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I like being cool.

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Unless I'm dumb as fuck, mollie was semi-confirmed by someone as town, amiwrong?

I'm possibly right and still dumb as fuck though, amiriteguys?
I'll be here all night.

VOTE: Shaft
woooo.

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Wait or was it Psyche who got semi-confirmed? Feh. Someone with a better memory than me tell me if I'm being stupid.

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I bet he has a system set up to notify him whenever someone says L-1 in this thread.

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Would grab torches and pitchforks over that quickhammer but I doubt Shaft would have claimed anything anyways.

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GG peoples
Really great start.
Mollie/Heartless/BRO/Psyche/mastin all killed it this game.
Had a lot of fun while I was alive. Would play with peoplies here again.

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Also kudos to the Critic for making a really nifty setup.
There was a lot of interesting stuff in there. Shaft's role in particular looked super terrifying haha.

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BTW Psyche if it wasn't clear, I insured you because I didn't think you'd die in the first 3-4 cycles.