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[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: Klingon

Maybe this is scum framing her. I don't know, but it seems a good place to get my teeth into given that last kill.

There's two things to look at

1) House tracked crumbs

2) What House and FAQ2 had in common regarding suspicions...

Except that House has called me Scum in every game we played together here, so...

Plus House was

dropping

crumbs, not tracking them. See 565.

FA and I know each other from Wake's forum, this is our first game together here on this site - where he doesn't know a lot of people. Of course he's going to come after me.


And so are you. Sorry, but you'll have to derptunnel someone else for the next couple of days. My furnace and house electrical are messed up, so I'm V/LA until Monday.

And when I get back I want to see you doing some actual scumhunting.

[Klingoncelt]

I'd like to see what KC has to say.

VOTE: KlingonCelt

See: post 1000 ^^^

[Klingoncelt]

Nah. Varsoon is town for meta and other things I do not wish to talk about.

Titus and Varsoon are scum.

...

Maybe so... maybe so. I'll decide Monday night/Tuesday morning...

[Taly]

VOTE: Klingon

Maybe this is scum framing her. I don't know, but it seems a good place to get my teeth into given that last kill.

There's two things to look at

1) House tracked crumbs

2) What House and FAQ2 had in common regarding suspicions...

1)

House

... Sigh... I'm relieved he is gone, but a bit unhappy with his town flip. He really was making me question me at every turn, it became draining. Specifically since most of his posts could seemed to have had a crumb in them, at least, he implied they did.

2)

Since

HOuse and FAQ2

were town. If scum killed someone based on their suspicions...

The people

House and FAQ2

both read the same, is probably what made them targets for a NK. I'll look back into FAs reads in 566 and see in contrast to what

House

has given to us.

Elbirn- Town.

House

didn't really have a defined read upon

Elbirn

from my thinking. He has reinforced the idea of lynching him several times, but never really jumped onto him when

Elbirn

seemingly sheeped with him. Their interaction was odd, but I believe

House and FA

didn't have similar thinking here.

Elbirn is possibly town.

Taly – town. For those scum reading tally – what is the case against him?

FA

was the first person to townread me...

House

was the first person to scum read me.... Yeah. I feel like scum is beginning to dig up my burial if I'm now no longer 1v1ing another townie.

Varsoon – null – no real content and on V/LA

Freeko – null but severely anti town. Self explanatory.

At the time, both of these reads were things everyone shared amongst them.

Freeko

flipped town,

Varsoon

is a scum suspect for the quicklynch, and his overall shaky play.. Upon seeing Houses flip and his short interaction with

Varsoon

, I wonder if

Varsoon

was trying to fly by the game while making town allies. Eh... He isn't a powerful scum read of mine right now.

Shinobi – null. Keep going back and forth with shinobi. 560 is just downright scummy. Opening this game was scummy as hell as well, lots of finger pointing with zero willingness to back it up. The posts in the middle seem town to me though – jury is out for now.

Sorry, I don't recall House emphasizing much on

Shinobi

, whereas

FA

had actually said something. If anything, House might have townread

Shinobi

... I don't know, I don't feel much ambiguity over

Shinobi

anymore, I'm gut town reading him.

Texcat- Town.

Unlike half the living players, unfortunately including myself... He wasn't wrong,

House

scum read her.

Tex

flipped town.

dragonspawn – town for now. Nothing in his ISO is really unusual for dragon town and he is asking some questions/poking around.

Sensible thinking,

House

seemed to have given

Dragon

a pass on D1, but

House

usually mentioned him as a scummer. I don't really understand the case on dragon.

He seems town.

House- don’t like the claimed pr without purpose or the general tone of house this game. Mostly gut here but Leaning scum. Not a day one candidate though without a more solid case.

Why did you flip town. You gave me all the reasons in the world to suspect you being scum. :/

Drixx- in general I get town from Drixx. Not really understanding the early pushes to lynch him.

ArcAngel9- scum. Really lurkey and jumps on dragon in post 508 not because of a good case but because it is the easy lynch. Scummy.

House

hasn't said much about

Drixx

, whereas,

FA

didn't think much of

Drixx

. Eh...

Drixx

is

null

for now... I can see a green and a red looking flip from him at this point.

Arc? BOTH House and FA

suspected her to be scum. This must mean, she is most likely a scummer based off them being killed. Also, I'm not impressed by her play so far in the least. I feel like her back and forth with

Varsoon

is scum distancing from each other.

Klingoncelt – leaning scum here. So far posted shin is scum and then shin is town and that is IT. Tunneled awfully hard on the idea that shin was crumbing as though she was looking for a confirmation when this is not in town’s interests. Awfully crappy excuse for doing it as well when I pointed that out.

Titus – Scum but mostly a meta read. I don’t see any commitment from her on anything, something that titus always does. Then there is 431/465 where she leans that house is scum then never votes. Looks like she is trying to see if there is a viable option here. Col. Cath didn’t really lean either way but he did soft defend shin (by completely misinterpreting those scum reading him) fairly early after voting for him.

House

definitely thought

Klingon

was scum. I think she is too, and the wagon on her right now tells me that others think this as well.

Titus?

Ehh....

House and Titus

haven't had direct contact? I don't know. It's meh... But really? I don't see anything particularly scummy with Titus. I just think she could be towning in her own way.

Slight town lean.

>>>>

After that assessment,

House and FA

suspected 3 people, with the same read. All 3 people are people I suspected at the end of D2. This must indicate that

Arc, Varsoon, and Klingon

are scum because they NKed the 2 biggest threats to them in terms of reads.

In Order of Scum Read Strength: Arc, Varsoon, Klingon

......

P-Edit: Klingon

went on V/LA.

VOTE: Varsoon

What did you think about

Houses

play?

Also, I really want to see your flip. Like. Top priority.

[dragonspawn]

Nah. Varsoon is town for meta and other things I do not wish to talk about.

Titus and Varsoon are scum.

VOTE: Varsoon

Why the two of them?

[dragonspawn]

You're relieved house is gone? Why? Yeah he isn't easy to get along with sometimes especially when you are in radar. But he has a sharp mind. He has a good head on his shoulders. And the fact that he was our tracker puts us at a disadvantage with him gone.

Did you have him killed taly? You were fighting with him the most imho

[dragonspawn]

VOTE: KlingonCelt

I approve this wagon.

Why do you approve?

[dragonspawn]

VOTE: Klingon

Maybe this is scum framing her. I don't know, but it seems a good place to get my teeth into given that last kill.

There's two things to look at

1) House tracked crumbs

2) What House and FAQ2 had in common regarding suspicions...

Except that House has called me Scum in every game we played together here, so...

Plus House was

dropping

crumbs, not tracking them. See 565.

FA and I know each other from Wake's forum, this is our first game together here on this site - where he doesn't know a lot of people. Of course he's going to come after me.


And so are you. Sorry, but you'll have to derptunnel someone else for the next couple of days. My furnace and house electrical are messed up, so I'm V/LA until Monday.

And when I get back I want to see you doing some actual scumhunting.

He did seem to be trying to draw a night kill. I was assuming he was doing that because he wasn't a pr. But perhaps it was just to make it so the scum would think he wouldn't possibly be anything but vanilla so they would attack someone else.

Which makes me think he was killed for other reasons.

He suspected el, taly, and you closely. I just wish we knew who he tracked.

My guess is at least one of those three are scum.

[Drixx]

Unvote

[dragonspawn]

What are your reads now drixx? How about you shinobi? And you Titus

[Elbirn]

Nah. Varsoon is town for meta and other things I do not wish to talk about.

Titus and Varsoon are scum.

VOTE: Varsoon

Why the two of them?

Varsoon for being a quickhammering dipshit and wasting a day.
Titus for whatever the hell that post is.

[Varsoon]

Huh. Well that turned out lousy.
Also, all you fools, acting like I was somehow the only person on the wagon.
If that wagon flipped scum, you'd be singing my praises.
You're a bunch of gaddamn animals.

That said, as much as I wanna lynch out Elbirn, that dude is town.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Shinobi
I should probably just be straightforward but I wonder how much I can actually do.

[Taly]

You're relieved house is gone? Why? Yeah he isn't easy to get along with sometimes especially when you are in radar. But he has a sharp mind. He has a good head on his shoulders. And the fact that he was our tracker puts us at a disadvantage with him gone.

Did you have him killed taly? You were fighting with him the most imho

Why would I have killed him? Other than giving me a migraine, he did provide for the town in some offhanded way... I'm relieved he is gone because he kept making me question his alignment with his posting and implications within them. I thought they were derailing, and it only put the two of us in a constant spiral of arguing which obviously wasn't helping. I'm also a bit unhappy with his town flip because I was beginning to think he wasn't town... I don't know. Interactions with him this game upset me.

*Question*

Plus, if I were a scummer? Do you think

FA

would be dead? He townread me, and the first to actually question the case

House

threw up in D1.

Hypothetically, if I were a scummer and

House

ran after me,

House

would have been killed a lot sooner, and I wouldn't have wasted my time and towncred in 1v1ing him. Definitely for his crumbing, if not for his threat against me. I assure you, waiting to another night phase to eliminate one threat is definitely not conducive to my anti-town thinking.

Also, if I were a scummer... There would have been a bit more support on my side of the 1v1.

-_-...

I still think

Var, Arc, and Kling

are likely scummies. I believe at least one of them have a red name.

Part of my scum read on

Klingon

is gut, but overall, not a fan of her posting... Ehh, didn't understand her fight with

House

. And her reasoning she has given for her actions throughout the game seem a bit flawed.

Var and Arc

of course, because they are the lurking king and queen of the game. But that's not just it, their end D2 performance, it felt disingenuous... I could give Arc a pass for

House

actually having a consistent scum read on her, but I am wary of

Varsoon

, didn't like the hammer he did, and he never specifically verified why he believed

Tex

to be scum. Even after he said Tex shouldn't survive or make it in mylo... We weren't in a bad position as town then...

*Question*

Who do you think scums next target would be, considering the candidates currently stated

?

[dragonspawn]

That question feels like your fishing for nk ideas.

[Varsoon]

I'm lynchbait.
Their next target will likely be Elbirn, since they already killed House.

[Taly]

That question feels like your fishing for nk ideas.

?

We are on the subject of how

House and Fa

were threats to scum via their reads, I was asking to see how scum may act now because of the way we're approaching this.

Also, you didn't even answer the first question.

Or even reply to my reply to your question...

I'm lynchbait.
Their next target will likely be Elbirn, since they already killed House.

Possible.

Elbirn

, how do you feel about

Houses

death?

But why the baiting,

Varsoon

? If you're really town then you're not helping us otherwise if you're letting yourself get into the line of being lynched.

I see you've placed your vote on

Shinobi

. Do you have a reason against him?

[dragonspawn]

Just because you are scum doesn't mean you get to choose the kills. You have at least one partner that has a say in it. You could have easily bee. Overruled on killing house night 1 precisely because it would have been obvious that you had the most reason to kill him. By waiting till night two you can now argue "if I was scum he would have been dead alot sooner."

as for FA being the first kill, maybe it was because he townread you. To help your argument that scum you would've killed house first.
or it could simply be that your partner or partners vetoed your original choice and had something against FA. Or it could be a combination.

the fact that you wanted house dead sooner doesn't make you less scummy.

varaoon: why shinobi?

[Varsoon]

I think that scum wants to try to get me lynched, especially after yesterday's wagon, rather than spending a kill on me. That's how it goes most games.

So I'm going to gamble hard on what I've got.
I was thinking of making a case but it'd be a bit out of nowhere.
I've been lying low and being weird about my reads for a reason.
I think I'm pretty much out and I'm going to have to claim anyway.
I've got a guilty on Shinobi.

[dragonspawn]

VOTE: Shinobi

if there is a guilty it seems like a good place to move. Even if I'm not 100% on varsoon. The truth will become obvious quickly.

[Taly]

Just because you are scum doesn't mean you get to choose the kills. You have at least one partner that has a say in it. You could have easily bee. Overruled on killing house night 1 precisely because it would have been obvious that you had the most reason to kill him. By waiting till night two you can now argue "if I was scum he would have been dead alot sooner."

as for FA being the first kill, maybe it was because he townread you. To help your argument that scum you would've killed house first.
or it could simply be that your partner or partners vetoed your original choice and had something against FA. Or it could be a combination.

the fact that you wanted house dead sooner doesn't make you less scummy.

varaoon: why shinobi?

Yes but my argument isn't entirely based on my scum mentality. Why would I put myself out in the open in D1 and D2 in arguing with House if I could have just swindled any possible team members into NKing him? Plus, a collective of about 2-3 people scum and town read me in D1, and then I've yet to hear another read concerning myself other than you right now at this point.

My point is, how would it make sense for

scum-taly

to kill off

House

right now if I wasn't already 1v1ing, and trying to get him lynched in the Day?

Being open or discrete usually isn't alignment indicative but I'm telling you, if I had an option, I would have likely killed

House

other than making a scene in D1/D2 because that'd put too much focus on myself and any possible partners I had.

Sorry, but I wouldn't waste my time waving around trying to lynch a scum read if I could have had another better means of killing. I've stated that as town, I say what I think needs to be said for others, and my arguments with

House

made that clear. Whether everyone believes me or not, I can't change that, but I stand by the fact that I would have no legitimate reason of killing

House

.

Plus, are you suspecting me on the sole idea that

House

scum read me?

You made the argument that my

"scum partners"

vetoed my hypothetical idea of killing

House

N1.

Who are my partners? Who and why would they be opposed of this?

I know you're suspecting

Elbirn

, but before you say

Elbirn

is a partner because he was

'buddy buddy'

with

House

, I'll have you know that most of my read so far on

Elbirn

is very uncertain. I scumread him in parts of both D1 and D2 BECAUSE of his interactions with House, not to mention,

Elbirn

has done very similar things in return.

Why would scum undergo scrutiny just to kill off someone who tunneled them for the first 2 day phases?

It just doesn't add up in my mind. I still want you to answer this question honestly, though.

I think that scum wants to try to get me lynched, especially after yesterday's wagon, rather than spending a kill on me. That's how it goes most games.

So I'm going to gamble hard on what I've got.
I was thinking of making a case but it'd be a bit out of nowhere.
I've been lying low and being weird about my reads for a reason.
I think I'm pretty much out and I'm going to have to claim anyway.
I've got a guilty on Shinobi.

Oh well... This changes things quite a bit...

UNVOTE: Varsoon
VOTE: Shinobi

I'm assuming you're a cop,

Varsoon

?

I kind of want to hear a claim from

Shinobi and Varsoon

at this moment.

[Titus]

VOTE: Shinobi

@Taly, you should reread your last two sentences again.

[Drixx]

Shinobi was giving out scum vibes early and that first post today to me was oily ... should have gone with my gut but I was putting attention elsewhere at the time. Now I just look like a sheep. Baaahhhh.

VOTE: Shinob

[Drixx]

I'm greatly displeased with you, Varsoon.

VOTE: KlingonCelt

I approve this wagon.

These being said earlier "oily" posts which I thought were a single post for some reason in memory.

[Taly]

VOTE: Shinobi

@Taly, you should reread your last two sentences again.

If you're referring to my wanting to see

Varsoon

claim, after my assumptions he is cop, then I just wanted to hear a solid claim from him. Meh, it probably doesn't matter, we'll see if

Shinobi

is truly scum based off what he says.

I think

Shinobi

should claim... If he claims a PR that someone can disprove by claiming the same thing, then it is most likely confirmed scum.

Plus.. It'd make sense for

Shinobi

to kill

House

on the idea that he

Shinobi

is town reading me, and my overall 1v1 with

House

. It could be a discrete way of framing a townie - and if it

Klingon

had anything to do with it, then

Shinobi

might have wanted attention jumped onto her as well.

P-Edit:

Did

Drixx

just hammer? We're at 5 to a lynch.

Varsoon, Dragon, Me, Titus, and Drixx

.

Yeah, we have a lynch. If

Shinobi

is scum, I'll retract my scum read on

Varsoon

.