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Post Post #15 (isolation #0) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:45 am

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/confirm

In post 11, Jingle wrote:Flavor wise there aren't really any bad guys,

lolwat, do you even rick and morty?

let's see, there's

Spoiler: if any of this information is new to you, you are a sad individual
evil rick/evil morty that killed all the ricks/kidnapped all the mortys
the slug thing that tried to rape morty
the zigerions
council of ricks
the devil / mr. needful
snuffles/snowball
scary terry
gazorpazorpians
hepatitis b
gonorrhea
the guy w/ the caribbean accent that goes all heart of darkness on anatomy park
king flippynips
the lady janitor from the titanic
the bully(ies) from morty's school
the meseeks (after they go apeshit berserko)


there's no shortage of antagonists

also, i don't think rick really makes sense in something called a "dark coalition." i'm thinkin' scum are "bad guys" and eagle probably gave them fakeclaims of protagonists.

so, jingle now that i'm about 65% sure you didn't get a good guy role PM, what do you have to say to that?

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Post Post #17 (isolation #1) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:23 am

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dude, theme games are a form of fan fiction. it's probably not going to be EXACTLY cannon but there's room to twist your head and squint a little bit (within reason). some of them ARE reaches, my point is that antagonists aren't few and far between and i really doubt kiwi here is getting all philosophical behind the body count (re: rick)

i would actually expect some characters from secondary plotlines to show up simply because the well of main characters aren't inexhaustible and there's 13 role pms to write.
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Post Post #18 (isolation #2) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:24 am

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In post 16, Jingle wrote:You do have a point with the "Dark Coalition" bit though, I don't think that fits the scumteam I was thinking of. :/ Back to the drawing board.

yeah, the reason i voted you is actually b/c of ^^^^this. why didn't this occur to you first go round here?
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Post Post #21 (isolation #3) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:35 pm

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In post 15, Heartless wrote:jingle now that i'm about 65% sure you didn't get a good guy role PM

My estimate is closer to 85%.
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Also because some people have asked.

Standard wincons.

You win when all threats to [Your Alignment] are eliminated and at least one of the [Your Alignment] is still alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
still alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

Bumps it up even more.

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Post Post #22 (isolation #4) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:38 pm

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In post 20, d3x wrote:
Vote:Heartless


Real Vote is real.

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Post Post #23 (isolation #5) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:51 pm

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Oh, well this is embarrassing. And Antihero is a dumbass. :igmeou:

There's now ambiguity.

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Post Post #25 (isolation #6) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:14 pm

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In post 24, Rainbowdash wrote:Heartless attack is comical. Apparently Jingle for a scum PM that was an antagonist so he tries to invert flavor which he would at that point know is going to be proven wrong? Seems like an odd conclusion for scum to come to. I could see TOWN who got an antagonist PM come to that conclusion though.

It was based on a bad assumption.

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I treated it like a scum slip and, for different reasons, it still could be but there's other plausible alternatives.
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Post Post #27 (isolation #7) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:30 pm

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In post 25, Heartless wrote:I treated it like a scum slip and, for different reasons, it still could be but there's other plausible alternatives.

wrong, it still is a scum slip

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Post Post #32 (isolation #8) » Tue Apr 21, 2015 1:45 am

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In post 24, Rainbowdash wrote:I am pretty sure my role is going to be linked to an anti-town so probably need to claim it out the gate. I am Mr Meeseeks... technically mod never game me a role name more than being aligned with the good guys. I have a compulsive ability to perform a certain player's actions for them, I don't know the action, their role, their alignment, etc. Also its an unblockable action. This is something I have only seen a variant of once before, and it was scum controlling town. If somepony can figure out who is going to be targeting me each night, that would be nice. Until they are dead I am also going to be randomly acting so just a heads up.

makes sense meeseeks would have strongman modifier
the closest thing i can think of to this is a captain, but you're saying it's random (????)
it's a way to gate an ability (by making it reliant on the survival of two people). it's kinda' a mutation of an enabler.

Heartless attack is comical. Apparently Jingle for a scum PM that was an antagonist so he tries to invert flavor which he would at that point know is going to be proven wrong? Seems like an odd conclusion for scum to come to. I could see TOWN who got an antagonist PM come to that conclusion though.

no, he wouldn't know it was going to be proven wrong. that's the point. [the theory is pretty simple: town would already know about the dark coalition. he acted oblivious. thus he didn't know what town knew, as it wasn't public information. therefore he didn't get a town pm]

In post 28, Jingle wrote:I'm mobile, and have been busy most of the day (as anti should know) and assumed the flavor shit was in my role pm or the opening post. Mostly cause I don't think anti would make that kind of assumption.

I await your explanations in the morning.

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Post Post #56 (isolation #9) » Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:07 pm

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Calm down, it was L-1.

Drama queen.

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Post Post #59 (isolation #10) » Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:18 pm

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He was actually at L-1; I counted six votes.
The answer to your question should be pretty obvious. Quickhammers and such, yada yada yada...
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Post Post #62 (isolation #11) » Tue Apr 21, 2015 1:56 pm

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In post 61, Rainbowdash wrote:How does Jingle claiming Jerry fit into what you are seeming to accuse him of with him being an antagonist and trying to flip that around?

he didn't claim jerry. he said "who wants to switch" and rip said yes, and jingle said HE must be jerry.

the joke is that jerry is the shittiest character
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Post Post #63 (isolation #12) » Tue Apr 21, 2015 1:58 pm

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In post 61, Rainbowdash wrote:how do you know its not in his?

that's what tth was referring to as the plausible alternative to jingle scum slipping.

jingle's already offered a different explanation though so it's kind of moot
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Post Post #65 (isolation #13) » Tue Apr 21, 2015 2:12 pm

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some ppl say no

that's why they're banned in normals
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Post Post #69 (isolation #14) » Tue Apr 21, 2015 2:22 pm

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In post 10, Jingle wrote:Okay, RIP is Jerry now. He'd better fucking flip that.

HE DIDN'T CLAIM JERRY, RAINBOWDASH.

He saw you imply scum is "DC" so he used that term... so Jingle is scum?

no
are you familiar w/ the source material at all?

Rainbowdash wrote:What do you think of Mainez apparently not knowing the key part of why there is a Jingle wagon yet actually wanting to back the wagon?

i dunno. why don't you ask her why she wants to vote jingle?
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In post 68, RIP wrote:He's under the radar and being opportunistic

lufan fits this profile more than mainz
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Post Post #104 (isolation #16) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 2:16 am

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In post 82, My Haircut Went Wrong wrote:
In post 59, Heartless wrote:He was actually at L-1; I counted six votes.
The answer to your question should be pretty obvious. Quickhammers and such, yada yada yada...

So what's wrong with quickhammering someone who scumslipped? You've drove him to the moment of him being lynched. Why back out now?

It's not a foolproof scumslip and we don't do 4 page quicklynches. That's not how things work around here.
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Post Post #105 (isolation #17) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 2:18 am

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In post 97, My Haircut Went Wrong wrote:I don't think he's town.
His push on jingle earlier was real strong until jingle pulled off some bullshit about him thinking of him being lynched when heartless started to pull out. The strong stance suddenly dropping from a WIFOM look real wrong to me and makes me think if those were some pre-planned bullshit.

:igmeou:
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Post Post #106 (isolation #18) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 2:19 am

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Is OMGUS a scum tell where you come from, Meds?
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Post Post #110 (isolation #19) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:43 am

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In post 109, My Haircut Went Wrong wrote:You sure sounded a lot more confident back there for a non-foolproof scumslip there.

My Meds Went Wrong wrote:I don't know why this matters.

It matters because Antihero's the one who's voting and thinks it's a scumslip and I'm TTH and I don't.

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Post Post #111 (isolation #20) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:43 am

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*cue the bitching about hydra dissonance*
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Post Post #112 (isolation #21) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:46 am

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Anyway! Since I run this hydra:
VOTE: lufan131
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Post Post #115 (isolation #22) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:46 am

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In post 113, My Haircut Went Wrong wrote:
In post 111, Heartless wrote:*cue the bitching about hydra dissonance*

Quote all the TTH posts since your unvote.

all the ones where the capitalization and grammar aren't totally fucked
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Post Post #116 (isolation #23) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:49 am

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Spoiler: all tth's posts, for those who don't know her
In post 21, Heartless wrote:
In post 15, Heartless wrote:jingle now that i'm about 65% sure you didn't get a good guy role PM

My estimate is closer to 85%.
This:
kiwieagle wrote:
Also because some people have asked.

Standard wincons.

You win when all threats to [Your Alignment] are eliminated and at least one of the [Your Alignment] is still alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
still alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

Bumps it up even more.

VOTE: Jingle

In post 22, Heartless wrote:
In post 20, d3x wrote:
Vote:Heartless


Real Vote is real.

Says the person who obviously hasn't read the thread

In post 23, Heartless wrote:Oh, well this is embarrassing. And Antihero is a dumbass. :igmeou:

There's now ambiguity.

UNVOTE:

In post 25, Heartless wrote:
In post 24, Rainbowdash wrote:Heartless attack is comical. Apparently Jingle for a scum PM that was an antagonist so he tries to invert flavor which he would at that point know is going to be proven wrong? Seems like an odd conclusion for scum to come to. I could see TOWN who got an antagonist PM come to that conclusion though.

It was based on a bad assumption.

Antihero
knew the name of the scum team ("Dark Coalition") because it was named in our ability (there's an investigative dimension to our role). He left
me
with the impression that he knew it because it was in the town win condition; this is what Antihero told me when I was reading through the thread and before I even looked at the role PM. I took his word for it and thought, "Jingle didn't know that
town
knew about the scum team being named the Dark Coalition. Town would know already know about the Dark Coalition because it's right there in the win condition. Therefore, Jingle didn't get a town role PM and he's accidentally exposed because kiwieagle didn't post a sample town VT role PM, as is the standard practice."

I treated it like a scum slip and, for different reasons, it still could be but there's other plausible alternatives.

In post 56, Heartless wrote:Calm down, it was L-1.

Drama queen.

UNVOTE:

In post 59, Heartless wrote:He was actually at L-1; I counted six votes.
The answer to your question should be pretty obvious. Quickhammers and such, yada yada yada...

In post 104, Heartless wrote:
In post 82, My Haircut Went Wrong wrote:
In post 59, Heartless wrote:He was actually at L-1; I counted six votes.
The answer to your question should be pretty obvious. Quickhammers and such, yada yada yada...

So what's wrong with quickhammering someone who scumslipped? You've drove him to the moment of him being lynched. Why back out now?

It's not a foolproof scumslip and we don't do 4 page quicklynches. That's not how things work around here.

In post 105, Heartless wrote:
In post 97, My Haircut Went Wrong wrote:I don't think he's town.
His push on jingle earlier was real strong until jingle pulled off some bullshit about him thinking of him being lynched when heartless started to pull out. The strong stance suddenly dropping from a WIFOM look real wrong to me and makes me think if those were some pre-planned bullshit.

:igmeou:
You can't distinguish between the hydra heads?

In post 106, Heartless wrote:Is OMGUS a scum tell where you come from, Meds?

In post 110, Heartless wrote:
In post 109, My Haircut Went Wrong wrote:You sure sounded a lot more confident back there for a non-foolproof scumslip there.

My Meds Went Wrong wrote:I don't know why this matters.

It matters because Antihero's the one who's voting and thinks it's a scumslip and I'm TTH and I don't.

Hi! ^_^/~

In post 111, Heartless wrote:*cue the bitching about hydra dissonance*

In post 112, Heartless wrote:Anyway! Since I run this hydra:
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Post Post #128 (isolation #24) » Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:40 am

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breaking news: rip... might not be town

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Post Post #129 (isolation #25) » Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:42 am

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*same goes for d3x
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Post Post #134 (isolation #26) » Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:35 am

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In post 130, RIP wrote:Might not*
U are too sure Huh?

Indeed, and attacking read certainty ("U are too sure") instead of read validity is a response I'd expect from scum more often than town.

There's a lot of surface-level thinking going on in your posts when there's evidence for more potential than that. You obviously have forum mafia experience, as shown by where you're apparently familiar with the customs and general meta style of other sites, (nota bene: site
s
, plural). So you're not a complete newbie at this. Yet we still see stuff like:

*
: The knee jerk reaction vote by itself is null, but it doesn't hold up to more than approximately five seconds of reflection. Rainbowdash had already explained why she thought a mass claim
might
be a good idea with the possible breakability of the set-up. From a town perspective, the vote only makes sense in a rigid, dogmatic, "burn the witch" kind of way which isn't supported by the accompanying reasoning ("We are not mass claiming, how it's that helpful?")
nor
the fact you're willing to let go of the matter very easily.

*
The entire initial Jingle push is surface level. You demonstrated a basic understanding of the early Jingle "scumslip" in but failed to note and follow through on key details such as the part about Antihero being the one to mention the Dark Coalition first. You're also not thinking about the win condition dimension which was being hammered on pretty hard at the time.

*
: The "pressure vote" that leads to a dead end. mainz has done all of jack squat since you voted her and yet you happily skip along off that vote without engaging her in any meaningful way; this goes against the point of a pressure vote. Being "opportunistic" also doesn't really mesh with the scumread on Jingle.

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Post Post #136 (isolation #27) » Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:14 pm

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In post 135, My Haircut Went Wrong wrote:So it was all you (TTH) who had a very strong conviction on that scumslipped and backed out.
So why is me not unable to discern hydra heads matter again?

I had strong conviction based on Anti's misinformation, which I then corrected.

It matters because you're constructing this narrative that I had a strong scum read on Jingle that I suddenly pulled away from when he got to L-1. That's not true.
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Post Post #137 (isolation #28) » Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:18 pm

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In post 97, My Haircut Went Wrong wrote:I don't think he's town.
His push on jingle earlier was real strong until jingle pulled off some bullshit about him thinking of him being lynched when heartless started to pull out. The strong stance suddenly dropping from a WIFOM look real wrong to me and makes me think if those were some pre-planned bullshit.

Correction: the narrative is that I was scum reading him until he offered his explanation. That's not true either.
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Post Post #150 (isolation #29) » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:24 am

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In post 140, RIP wrote:I think meds is mad I'm voting the person he is voting... Does that makes senses?

None whatsoever.
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Post Post #151 (isolation #30) » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:25 am

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In post 148, RIP wrote:U guys don't keep track of stats here right? So far I been mislynched each game. Funny thing is my reads were scary good each time.
I put fear in wolf heart. I own you bitches

Aside from Jingle, do you have any reads? So far there's no evidence of such.
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Post Post #155 (isolation #31) » Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:52 am

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I'd really like to see some updated reads from Jingle other than "Rainbowdash is town," which no one's arguing anyway.
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Post Post #169 (isolation #32) » Sat Apr 25, 2015 3:32 am

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you know what's awesome? all the people suspecting rip and not voting him. that's great.

also,
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Post Post #212 (isolation #33) » Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:24 am

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In post 189, Kthxbye wrote:Secondly, the Jingle/Heartless interaction didn't look like town vs town to me. If Jingle were to flip town, I wouldn't go after Heartless at all at this point.

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Post Post #213 (isolation #34) » Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:27 am

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In post 196, RIP wrote:Also becuase I have info that makes me think you might have a similar PM to mine.

So why did you put Jingle back at L-1 a couple pages ago?
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Post Post #214 (isolation #35) » Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:31 am

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left a pretty bad taste in my mouth. Particularly the fact Aris leaned on RIP's lack of charisma in lieu of his play.
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Post Post #223 (isolation #36) » Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:35 am

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yakko, plz remind me why ur voting meds
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Post Post #251 (isolation #37) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:28 am

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In post 240, RIP wrote:I'm aligned with good guys.

I'm a miller. If I'm investigated I will show as "dark coalition"
If there is a Obv town I can "protect them"

this isn't a claim

a claim is:
"i'm [character name], [role name] and these are my abilities: [paraphrased abilities]"

now, claim properly (there's a reason i'm asking this, by the way)

failure to do so in your next post will be treated as a scum claim
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Post Post #252 (isolation #38) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:40 am

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In post 246, hi im Yakko wrote:
In post 223, Heartless wrote:yakko, plz remind me why ur voting meds


I read a lot of dissonance in the hydras posts. But they all seemed to think jingle was scum or questioned other people who did questioned their read of jingle iirc. Then mmww said it was only one person posting I chose not to believe them.

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Post Post #253 (isolation #39) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:55 am

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In post 230, Jingle wrote:Actually, no, you're right. I just looked at the wagon of RIP, and he's probably town.

VOTE: Lufan

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

walk me through that a
little
bit more
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mr. jingle


what you told us


was
that the wagon was made up of

sheep

how does that effect the accuracy of the wagon
and

why is
lufan any more likely to be scum?



(also, ppl sheeping tth's walls is kind of par for the course regardless of accuracy)
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Post Post #254 (isolation #40) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 5:26 am

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In post 196, RIP wrote:Also becuase I have info that makes me think you might have a similar PM to mine.

plz unpack this a little more in context with your claim
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Post Post #256 (isolation #41) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 5:34 am

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In post 255, Jingle wrote:Now tell me what you've been smoking that you think it's okay to lynch a claimed doc. Because it's not.

well i can think of one thing.

Are a little to close for comfort, in both composition and speed. I know one was wrong, which suggests to my mind that the other is as well.

mhmhmhmhmmhmh mmmhmhmmgmghmhmhmdaslkflkja;dsjflk;sajepoifaqp3wpvfq;KJFJ;LjdsajoigpesajfsaifdJIDFJSAI;JFDI;OSAJE;LKFJAS;LDJF;LKSAJDFKLS

so what's your read on d3x?
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Post Post #268 (isolation #42) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 7:16 am

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i think my hydra partner's perceptive enough to evaluate you herself.

UNVOTE:
ok, that was a good claim.
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Post Post #269 (isolation #43) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 7:16 am

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i'm seriously considering taking pony up on the massclaim now
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Post Post #271 (isolation #44) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 7:26 am

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my current scumreads now include:

yakko, aris, d3x
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Post Post #272 (isolation #45) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 7:27 am

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jingle is also on the scum side of null
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Post Post #279 (isolation #46) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:08 am

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In post 273, Flames682 wrote:That was a pretty good claim and I still want Jingle dead.

why?
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Post Post #280 (isolation #47) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:12 am

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In post 276, d3x wrote:I call bullshit. RIP has blatantly lied numerous times about his interactions with the JingleWagon and is refusing to answer for it.

there's a difference between lying and derping
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Post Post #281 (isolation #48) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:13 am

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In post 277, d3x wrote:Not to mention that he Claimed Miller AFTER coming under suspicion...

yes?

...and?...
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Post Post #282 (isolation #49) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:13 am

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In post 276, d3x wrote:my Role is similar enough to his that I don't believe him.

doesn't mean shit in what's probably a role madness or close to it
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Post Post #283 (isolation #50) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:21 am

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new plan, let's lynch yakko
VOTE: hi im yakko
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Post Post #285 (isolation #51) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:56 am

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In post 284, d3x wrote:And... there's a reason that Millers Claim right away. Claiming Miller after you're overwhelmingly ScumRead is basically Claiming Scum. That's the whole purpose of Claiming Miller as soon as the game opens.

i would usually agree with you... if rip was from MS

what you're talking about is MS doctrine
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Post Post #286 (isolation #52) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:01 am

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In post 284, d3x wrote:Did you read p205? How is any of that derping instead of lying?

you're right that the history and the progression makes absolutely no fucking sense

i'm not certain that's a scumtell with rip or if that's just a consequence of him not knowing what the fuck's going on re: the jingle wagon and now trying to save face
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Post Post #287 (isolation #53) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:08 am

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fuck, i don't know

let's see what tth thinks
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Post Post #292 (isolation #54) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:36 am

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In post 291, RIP wrote:Wouldn't scum just claim miller when game starts?

they sometimes do

the theory behind claiming miller/other negative utilities in the first post is to advise the town PRs (cops don't investigate claimed millers, etc...)
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Post Post #296 (isolation #55) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:38 am

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In post 290, RIP wrote:You are wrong.

Is Abradolf lincler
I was clreated when Rick combined Abraham Lincoln and Adolf hitler DNS in an attemp to create a super dual moral leader or so,e shit.

I hadn't looked at my role is once first. Time and just remember that is was Abraham looking guy with hitler mustache and both names.

I told u off the top of my head.

"I want to enslave those who are free and free those who are enslaved"

And because of my dual morality I get to protect someone each night but peek dark coallision.

"Miller bodyguard"

Come at me.


this flavor fits like a glove and is a hell of a fakeclaim

mad props to kiwi if it is, but i don't think it is
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Post Post #299 (isolation #56) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:42 am

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"playing well" doesn't translate to "won't be investigated"
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Post Post #303 (isolation #57) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:45 am

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welcome to MS, where scum are actually pretty decent
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Post Post #304 (isolation #58) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:46 am

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so.... do you have any scumreads or what?
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Post Post #309 (isolation #59) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:29 am

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that's a pretty weak scum reads list.
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Post Post #315 (isolation #60) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 2:26 pm

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In post 311, RIP wrote:We will see.

What's urs? I bet mine is bigger

Oh ho ho, hello there.
This conversation really bores me and so does your posting. Please stop bragging about how great you and your reads are and cough them up, preferably with reasons since that's what gives reads their balls.

In post 271, Heartless wrote:my current scumreads now include:

yakko, aris, d3x

Yakko and Arisophanes I could agree with. d3x not so much.

In post 313, Jingle wrote:Heartless, what exactly did yakko do that is so questionable? Alternatively, why is lufan town?

Mostly the vote parking on what's almost assuredly a dud of a wagon for a very, very tenuous reason.
lufan's lack of adaptation in posting gives me pause because that introduces the possibility he just really is that lost.
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Post Post #316 (isolation #61) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 2:35 pm

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In post 215, Jingle wrote:My hesitation is that any role that could confirm someone should be able to claim and dodge the lynch for a day, and RIP seems pretty resigned to getting lynched. It just doesn't really match up. TTH, do you have any thoughts on the why here, cause it doesn't make any sense to me.

It doesn't make any sense to me either and honestly, I'm tempted to make Antihero deal with him since signal to noise ratio in his ISO is incredibly low.

His narrative behind the Jingle push still doesn't make any sense and I'm not as impressed with the claim as Anti is. The bluster of "I'm so great" isn't backed by original pushes with solid reasoning behind it.
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Post Post #327 (isolation #62) » Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:58 am

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In post 317, Jingle wrote:In the hypothetical where loofah is just lost, why isn't he saying anything to that effect instead of pretending he knows what's going on? Why doesn't he appear to be trying to figure things out.

It's human nature to not want to admit weakness or what could be perceived as weakness. "Appearing to be trying to figure things out" is kind of the name of the game for scum and it's very, very far from a reliable scumhunting guideline. Some players just sheep and kind of watch everything go by.
Bottom line: Your case on lufan is quite lacking.

In post 271, Heartless wrote:my current scumreads now include: yakko, aris, d3x

I did a little bit of research on Yakko and he tends to be a low volume, low content poster so it's going to be kind of hard to extrapolate from that. He could still be scum, but the limited scope on the commentary
could
just be an artifact of his lurking. It's hard to tell and a bigger sample size is needed.
X_X

I could still vote Aristophanes because he hasn't given any reads that look legit to me and I still dislike the fact he really drummed on RIP's personality in his push. I could also vote Flames, mostly because of the recent exchange with Rainbowdash, the incongruity with the treatment of RIP's claim and his read on RIP, and the relentless push on Jingle without any semblance of accompanying reasoning or concern at the recent ebbing of the Jingle wagon.

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Post Post #334 (isolation #63) » Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:48 am

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In post 333, Jingle wrote:Um, what? This is a scumclaim. Seriously, just read it.

You're smarter than I am then because I can't make heads or tails of it and I read it several times.
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Post Post #340 (isolation #64) » Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:20 am

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Is English your native language, lufan?
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Post Post #342 (isolation #65) » Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:01 pm

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OK, so did you unvote Jingle because you think he's likely to flip town or because you can't lynch him? Because you kind of just said both.
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Post Post #352 (isolation #66) » Fri May 01, 2015 5:03 am

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In post 349, lufan131 wrote:
In post 342, Heartless wrote:OK, so did you unvote Jingle because you think he's likely to flip town or because you can't lynch him? Because you kind of just said both.

Because I can't lynch him, although I believe he's scum.

OK.

So what's this all about then?
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I just have remembered when I played, hyperlynching usually results in the death of a town player.
I also believe that it's a hopeless cause to lynch someone after the wagon has collapsed, although I still sucmread you, and think it's for the best.

In post 332, lufan131 wrote:
Because I knew that Jingle was less likely to be scum due to the flash-wagon
, and if it didn't succeed, I figured I'd have no reason to vote anymore, due to it being a hopeless cause?
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Post Post #353 (isolation #67) » Fri May 01, 2015 5:06 am

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For the record, I think we should mass claim. I feel like we're halfway there already anyway.
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Post Post #373 (isolation #68) » Sat May 02, 2015 2:03 am

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attn: lufan


In post 352, Heartless wrote:
In post 349, lufan131 wrote:
In post 342, Heartless wrote:OK, so did you unvote Jingle because you think he's likely to flip town or because you can't lynch him? Because you kind of just said both.

Because I can't lynch him, although I believe he's scum.

OK.

So what's this all about then?
In post 337, lufan131 wrote:I unvoted after it collapsed.
I just have remembered when I played, hyperlynching usually results in the death of a town player.
I also believe that it's a hopeless cause to lynch someone after the wagon has collapsed, although I still sucmread you, and think it's for the best.

In post 332, lufan131 wrote:
Because I knew that Jingle was less likely to be scum due to the flash-wagon
, and if it didn't succeed, I figured I'd have no reason to vote anymore, due to it being a hopeless cause?
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Post Post #418 (isolation #69) » Sun May 03, 2015 1:53 pm

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funky claim, but i don't see it coming from newbscum. this is also the same ppl behind both the jingle and rip wagons. i'll be surprised if this is a scum flip.

i think killerjester's entrace was pretty good and i think meds was decently town.

i think scum are very likely to be found on the periphery here. that means: yakko, flames, aris.

yakko's promising to return when TTH made her point about him and then proceeding to not do anything of any impact is sketch. flame's recent posting is also pretty awful, especially being "convinced" about lufan being scum while avoiding the hammer. aris' catchup is really "bleh" and don't-hurt-me. doesn't look like much thinking outside the box going on and a lot of going with the flow.

i've still got lingering bad feelings on jingle because he's loudly calling us town and playing patty-cake with TTH while not actually getting anything done.
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Post Post #421 (isolation #70) » Sun May 03, 2015 2:05 pm

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'mkay, assuming lufan flips town...

combined reads:

town: rainbowdash, d3x [tth], killerjester, rip [anti]
in between/conflicted because tth has a crush on jingle: kthnxbye, jingle, elbrin, mainez
scum: yakko [anti], aris [tth], flames [tth]

this'll need recalibration if lufan flips scum but i'm pretty sure he won't
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Post Post #453 (isolation #71) » Mon May 04, 2015 1:40 am

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In post 445, d3x wrote:I'm Rick and I have a portal gun. I get to swap positions with a target player at Night. I'm a Good Guy.

lol

what you're claiming is SO much more powerful and swingy than a BG. you're claiming a reflexive self-busdriver. the powers this gives is completely dependent on what actions you draw. if you draw the scum kill, you could actually effectively be a vig.

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Post Post #454 (isolation #72) » Mon May 04, 2015 1:41 am

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In post 447, Flames682 wrote:"The mod fucked up on posting a role PM, and it's a newb theme mod, so we should mass claim."

there's accumulating evidence that this is actually a very solid line of logic
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Post Post #455 (isolation #73) » Mon May 04, 2015 1:50 am

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In post 446, d3x wrote:And his request to be protected Tonight is laughable.

right, but it's consistent w/ his ego
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Post Post #456 (isolation #74) » Mon May 04, 2015 1:58 am

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elbrin is also incredibly town from the claim

In post 424, Elbirn wrote:Italicized is important. I was thinking about holding that bit back, maybe I could do something with it, but hell with it, transparency. I take it to mean that either scum have some really legit method of fakeclaiming, or someone has a role that can disguise themselves as another person, or maybe alt universe
evil-Morty is a role here
.

i think this is the most likely thing here (and that fits "coalition of evil" to a t). in this case it makes a TOOOOON of sense to want morty to claim because effectively you would be a cop that gets a guilty on one scum.

(also, rainbowdash, if you're looking for a controller, this might be your guy. evil-morty i mean.)
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Post Post #471 (isolation #75) » Tue May 05, 2015 1:49 am

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In post 468, hi im Yakko wrote:Leonard smith weak watcher. I can see if someone was targeted. iirc let me make sure

"weak" watcher?

wow, this sounds incredibly op'd especially for such a shitty character
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Post Post #472 (isolation #76) » Tue May 05, 2015 1:50 am

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'mkay yakko's scum from the claim alone, i'll explain why later. finish up.
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Post Post #473 (isolation #77) » Tue May 05, 2015 2:11 am

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Aristophanes
Jingle
Flames682: tracker (scary terry)
Heartless
Elbirn: conditional neighborizer (jessica)
Killerjester
Kthxbye: one-shot name cop (xenon bloom)
lufan131: one shot bp vig (snuffles/snowball)
RIP: miller bodyguard (lincler)
d3x: reflexive self-targeting busdriver (rick)
Rainbowdash: ????? something controlled (meeseeks)
hi im Yakko: weak watcher (leonard)
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Post Post #480 (isolation #78) » Tue May 05, 2015 10:03 am

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Aristophanes
Jingle: Inventor (neg utility?) (jerry)
Flames682: tracker (scary terry)
Heartless
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Killerjester: Active Dreamer (1 shot something)
Kthxbye: one-shot name cop (xenon bloom)
lufan131: one shot bp vig (snuffles/snowball)
RIP: miller bodyguard (lincler)
d3x: reflexive self-targeting busdriver (rick)
Rainbowdash: ????? something controlled (meeseeks)
hi im Yakko: weak watcher (leonard)
Mainez: one-shot jk (summer)



Also, lufan, did you realclaim? Cause I took it as a joke when I first read it.[/quote]
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Post Post #496 (isolation #79) » Wed May 06, 2015 2:41 am

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In post 495, RIP wrote:This is boring now. Instead of WW we are now guessing which role is fake.
Lol. Kille please I don't want to be part of this town anymore

Why not do both? o_O

Anyway, something occurred to me last night that made me think killerjester is scum but for the life of me I can't remember what it was.
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Post Post #507 (isolation #80) » Wed May 06, 2015 10:50 am

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In post 500, Jingle wrote:Really? I thought the claim was weird in a "this can't be fake" kinda way.

Oh, I remember what it was now!


So I was turning that ability over in my head. "Each night I can predict a name, and if they are the next person to get lynched I gain an unspecified 1x power the following night." And I was thinking that the flavor didn't mesh up with the ability. Goldenfold's ability to actively dream didn't depend on any sort of premonition or anything like that so why is that condition in place? Then I thought of what kinds of characters that could plausibly also have the ability killerjester is claiming and I thought of one: the Zigerians.

It makes sense. They're con men. If they could set a target and "trick" everyone into lynching him, they get a reward in the form of an ability.

I don't know. Maybe I just have an overactive imagination. I also looked back at MMWW's activity and killerjester's entrance and I didn't think it was nearly as good as everyone's making it out to be but, admittedly, that was with my pet theory nestled in my frontal lobe.
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Post Post #509 (isolation #81) » Wed May 06, 2015 12:33 pm

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Also, Jingle's claimed ability and Mr. Needful would fit like a glove. :S
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Post Post #510 (isolation #82) » Wed May 06, 2015 12:45 pm

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In post 24, Rainbowdash wrote:I am pretty sure my role is going to be linked to an anti-town so probably need to claim it out the gate. I am Mr Meeseeks... technically mod never game me a role name more than being aligned with the good guys. I have a compulsive ability to perform a certain player's actions for them, I don't know the action, their role, their alignment, etc. Also its an unblockable action. This is something I have only seen a variant of once before, and it was scum controlling town. If somepony can figure out who is going to be targeting me each night, that would be nice. Until they are dead I am also going to be randomly acting so just a heads up.

I get the feeling this is a power heavy game with my role to start. It may be worth an early massclaim, especially as it could basically confirm me as town if my "controller" never shows up in that claim.

I've been going over this too and it kind of doesn't make sense to me. Could you please fill in a few holes, Rainbowdash?

You're doing someone else's action? And the action's target is being determined at random? Is that correct?
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Post Post #512 (isolation #83) » Wed May 06, 2015 12:48 pm

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Mr. Needful gives out stuff that fucks with people.
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Post Post #514 (isolation #84) » Wed May 06, 2015 12:55 pm

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Mainez, what does your role PM say with regards to the connection between your character and your ability? In other words, how is Summer a jailkeeper? Nothing's really coming to mind for me.
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Post Post #515 (isolation #85) » Wed May 06, 2015 12:59 pm

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In post 513, Jingle wrote:Oh. Inventor. Like I said, flavor wise I visit people. I'm only an inventor in the sense that I actually have some effect. I don't know how my effects are justified flavor-wise because I have no idea what they are yet.

Once you and Aristophanes have claimed, I'm going to work on optimal night actions. I have some thoughts, but I don't want to talk about them at the moment, due to waiting on Aristophanes.


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Post Post #516 (isolation #86) » Wed May 06, 2015 1:02 pm

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In post 514, Heartless wrote:Mainez, what does your role PM say with regards to the connection between your character and your ability? In other words, how is Summer a jailkeeper? Nothing's really coming to mind for me.

Yakko, could we also get this from you? What makes Leonard a motion detector (or voyeur or whatever it is)?
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Post Post #518 (isolation #87) » Wed May 06, 2015 1:12 pm

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And before anyone wants to plunge their hand in my anus for "outguessing" the mod
: I
do
realize that kiwi probably had to take some liberties with the flavor and abilities in order to balance the game. I get that. But there are a
lot
of
little
things that suggests kiwi remained as true to the flavor as possible. You see it in the claims from: Rainbowdash, Elbrin, RIP, lufan. They have all these intricate details that fit
really
well with the flavor. Rainbowdash having the strongman modifier (because Meeseeks will stop at
nothing
until the wish is fulfilled), Jessica neighborizing Morty (the Love Potion episode), the Lincoln/Hitler hybrid being a miller (scummy) and yet having a noble, selfless town side (bodyguard; the character dies in the episode serving other people), Snuffles becoming an invincible killing machine with an army of cybernetically enhanced dogs (one-shot bulletproof and vigilante fits the bill).

There's stuff like d3x's role and our role where you kind of have to turn your head and squint a little bit, but the idea is there and it mostly makes sense.

kthnxbye is a marginal case and I'm still thinking on it.
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Post Post #519 (isolation #88) » Wed May 06, 2015 1:31 pm

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In post 517, Jingle wrote:
In post 421, Heartless wrote:in between/conflicted because tth has a crush on jingle


Given that I don't care to discuss anything game relevant at the moment, what's your thoughts on this? Do you really have a crush on me? :P

:S

My lawyer has advised me not to answer this question at this time.
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Post Post #522 (isolation #89) » Wed May 06, 2015 1:50 pm

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In post 519, Heartless wrote:
In post 517, Jingle wrote:
In post 421, Heartless wrote:in between/conflicted because tth has a crush on jingle


Given that I don't care to discuss anything game relevant at the moment, what's your thoughts on this? Do you really have a crush on me? :P

:S

My lawyer has advised me not to answer this question at this time.

In post 520, Jingle wrote:I'm gonna take that as an admission of guilt.

:mrgreen:


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Post Post #525 (isolation #90) » Wed May 06, 2015 2:11 pm

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In post 524, Rainbowdash wrote:Also KJ while having a dumb role is probably town if its true, otherwise its game breaking for scum if used right. Think going into a five alive two scum scenario all they have to do is claim the partner is going to be lynched, they take a dive and that leave a F3 where KJ has two votes. I could absolutely live with him getting targeted by role cop though

who said anything about kj getting two votes?
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Post Post #528 (isolation #91) » Wed May 06, 2015 3:05 pm

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In post 527, Rainbowdash wrote:
In post 525, Heartless wrote:
In post 524, Rainbowdash wrote:Also KJ while having a dumb role is probably town if its true, otherwise its game breaking for scum if used right. Think going into a five alive two scum scenario all they have to do is claim the partner is going to be lynched, they take a dive and that leave a F3 where KJ has two votes. I could absolutely live with him getting targeted by role cop though

who said anything about kj getting two votes?


For some reason I thought I saw that. Either way, it seems a little broken for that to be a scum role since best play would likely be to keep claiming a partner dies and then benefit when that happens.

lolwat? how the hell is that broken?

in order for it to be broken you have to assume that whatever the ability is is something like a kill or extra vote or something super swingy
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Post Post #537 (isolation #92) » Thu May 07, 2015 12:02 am

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beth smith, odd-night weak doc
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Post Post #538 (isolation #93) » Thu May 07, 2015 12:02 am

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...no morty claims....
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Post Post #539 (isolation #94) » Thu May 07, 2015 12:04 am

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how is scroopy noopers a vanillaizer?
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Post Post #541 (isolation #95) » Thu May 07, 2015 5:49 am

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I
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Post Post #550 (isolation #96) » Thu May 07, 2015 8:03 am

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In post 543, killerjester wrote:Aris doesn't scumhunt when he's scum.
Like at all.
He'll run around acting clueless, and primarily respond to points that others have made - essentially looking busy while not doing much of anything. I could cite examples but I'm too lazy right now if you iso him in TSwift Upick you'll see what I mean.

This game is a complete shift. He's not exactly the cornucopia of content, but from what I do see he's actually playing the game and deriving reads on his own.

I mean sure I nailed him to the fucking wall in TSwift but it doesn't feel like he's overcompensating for his scummeta or anything like that. Especially since he was making reads before I showed up.

Right. What if I were to tell you that the same Antihero from your Taylor Swift game put together this scum ISO: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go ?

Because he did.

The entire team in Taylor Swift was lurky-derpy and the dynamics of anyone's individual scum games will
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Post Post #551 (isolation #97) » Thu May 07, 2015 8:06 am

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In post 542, Elbirn wrote:I can't think of a single reason why Jerry would be a negative utility inventor


Jerry tends to fuck up anything he touches. The flavor isn't much of a stretch.
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Post Post #552 (isolation #98) » Thu May 07, 2015 8:15 am

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In post 548, Jingle wrote:Can anyone break that logic?

Give me some scum specials and I don't think it would take me that long to think of a few ways.

Anyone protecting us is effectively stripping us of the "weak" modifier, so we're not actually confirming the tracker. Who's actually getting confirmed in this plan?
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Post Post #565 (isolation #99) » Thu May 07, 2015 10:18 am

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They're pretty awful.
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Post Post #566 (isolation #100) » Thu May 07, 2015 10:20 am

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In post 555, killerjester wrote:Yea I like how he presented his RIP scumread, pressured him when pressure was due, and backed off when he realized lynching a bodyguard claim D1 is the stupidest thing ever.

He took some pretty heavy-handed cues from Anti and I on all those things. Anything else?
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Post Post #568 (isolation #101) » Thu May 07, 2015 10:26 am

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I could completely get behind a RIP policy lynch.
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Post Post #574 (isolation #102) » Thu May 07, 2015 1:21 pm

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kiwi informed me that we would die even under protection. Alright-y, so that just leaves a roleblock that could potentially fuck things up. Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing if our action was successful or not so living doesn't really help us and dying only helps if we're one of two (and the claimed vig doesn't shoot).

New plan: Tracker on us. Bodyguard on us. We target who we think is scum.

Assuming the claimed tracker and bodyguard are town and our aim is sure, that would tag a scum.
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Post Post #575 (isolation #103) » Thu May 07, 2015 1:29 pm

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Another thing we could do:
We target Rainbowdash. d3x targets Rainbowdash. Bodyguard targets us.

Benefit to this is that it stops whatever strongman ability is going through Rainbowdash.
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Post Post #578 (isolation #104) » Fri May 08, 2015 1:16 am

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VOTE: yakko

let's go
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Post Post #593 (isolation #105) » Fri May 08, 2015 10:52 am

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yeah, flames seems like a solid target. we'll do that.
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