Mini 1668 - Mafia in Bremen - Game Over!

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VOTE: Elyse

Wagon.

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VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

Wagon.

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We'll see.

Ain't nothing I can't lynch.

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I should probably vote Reverend for self-voting in his first post but there's no wagon.

Man. I'll have to wait.

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I'd prefer to join one right now.

I usually start them, but you know, effort and all that.

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Umm, that read is wrong.

Look somewhere else is my advice.

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Sweet.

Let's push this wagon.

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I don't self-vote.

It's against my wincon.

RVS is never used to it's potential. It makes me sad.

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Mine was.

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I'll vote you as soon as a wagon forms.

RVS should be used for building wagons, not throwing around pointless votes.

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Because people consider it RVS.

It's much easier for me to join a wagon and hope it picks up.

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I see that.

But I can't join my own wagon.

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I don't feel like starting a brand new wagon when I have one here with 3 votes on it.

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Self-voting is different.

That's obvious.

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VOTE: Reverend

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Reverend, is there a reason you're buddying PB?

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Yeah, that's how it looks to me.

You don't look like you're trying to work out PB's alignment. It's like you've assumed he is town.

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PB is scum?

How so?

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You seem far too confident in your reads for this stage of the game.

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VOTE: Brain

Will read later.

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Sup. I've never self voted first post.

vote reverend

That'll give y'all something to talk about.

Toffee is a thing already?

Ok I'll read the first page instead of dicking about.

These two posts here read awkwardly. Like, he's trying too hard to be openly scummy and at the same time he's letting everyone know that he is doing it on purpose.

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33 - Reverend you accuse me here of wanting to avoid conflict. I'm going to let this pass because you haven't played with me before, but, if you truly believe this; do you think I'm likely to avoid conflict by hopping to the biggest wagons consistently?

69 - RC, why did you vote me here?

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80 - Why the vote Jake?

82 - I initially liked this post until I read it a little closer.

Note that you appear to have a problem with Reverend

if his attack on me was serious.

85 - Now, Reverend tells you that his attack on me

was serious

and you completely side-step the issue. You make no comment of his attack on me at all when you clearly had a problem with it in 82 if he was serious. This makes no sense.

88 - However, I do agree with Dannflor that this post looks town on the surface, but when you actually read it, there isn't a whole lot of content. Just a lot of 'could be this, could be that.'

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Or maybe it's dannflor

Why?

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Jake, why are you voting PB?

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Yeah, no shit.

Why is he scum?

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I'm saying it struck me as weird that someone who was happy to wagon hop in RVS would not start a wagon on someone who had done something that you felt was worthy of your displeasure. That made me think you were trying to avoid conflict with me. I'm certainly not expecting you to continue to avoid conflict, whatever your alignment. I just found it odd that was your reaction to my self vote.

Is there any reason you think I would want to avoid conflict with you as opposed to everybody else in the thread?

Why is my self vote scummy? Have you ever seen scum self vote first post? Do you see the town motivation in self voting first post?

It's the way you did it and what you posted afterwards. You're trying to be overtly scummy whilst explaining that you're being scummy. I see this most likely coming from scum.

No, there is no town motivation in self voting.

Also, if you don't think self voting is scummy, what made you think it would 'give people something to talk about'?

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You might not have played with me before, but you know me from the poker forum, and you surely know how tenacious I can be. You certainly know I'm a high content player.

I can't say I do know this. I certainly would prefer conflict with one person over potentially a whole game's worth of people.

So reaction baiting is not town motivated?

Sure. Nothing scum can't fake though.

Just because I don't think it's scummy, doesn't mean I'm not going to get anything from the reactions. Other people might think it's scummy, or better still, other people might say they think it's scummy while doing a bad job of convincing me of the sincerity of that position.

Right, so you knew self-voting would be considered scummy?

Is that why you had to make clear you knew it would be scummy before you did it?

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Your reaction would have been better had you not openly stated it would give people something to talk about, no?

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I mean, if I'm doing something for reactions, the last thing I want to do is tell people I'm looking for reactions for obvious reasons.

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No, you would have got genuine reactions had you not stated you were looking for reactions.

It's counter-intuitive to do what you did.

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Why are you not countering what I'm saying?

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If it was an obvious reaction test, why would you expect it to work?

Here's the thing. You say you're reaction testing, yet in 17 you claim you'll 'stop dicking about'.

Was your self-vote a reaction test or were you messing around? It can't be both.

I'm not 'moaning' (strange word to use) at you for saying you were reaction baiting, I'm saying that it doesn't make sense and I'm explaining why.

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For reference;

Ok I'll read the first page instead of dicking about.

Dicking about =/= reaction test.

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Yeah, you needed to get off my quickly. My wagon wasn't going anywhere.

That's a weak ass way of doing it though.

I'm good with a Rev lynch. PB first though.

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EBWOP: Get off my wagon*

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Nice.

Nobody told you to get off a wagon though.

I had just anticipated you would be looking for a way off my wagon when I saw the most recent VC.

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Your vote on Rune was super serious then.

I might wanna lynch Rev before PB.

Need to see more.

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Rune is probably town so that's another bad vote.

Man, this game looks easy so far.

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Why have you questioned my Rune read and not my PB read?

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I can question why people vote somebody; even if it's the same person I'm voting.

You're probably scum with PB.

I'm not really big on pre-flip associatives though so I'll lynch PB first to confirm my theory. The fact you joined the only viable counter-wagon to PB at this moment with very weak reasoning only fuels my theory further.

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Will catch up on this at some point; probably tomorrow because it's late and I'm tired.

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Catching up soon.

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164 - Elyse, why did you choose to vote Rune over PB?

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179 - Oh dear. I assure you you will not read me correctly based on meta. Especially after just one game.

187 - RC, Rune is your biggest scum read, you were voting me and now you're voting Dannflor. You seem to think you have found the entire scum team already. Why are you not voting your biggest scum read?

This attack on Dannflor is weak; based on semantics which is more commonly used by scum.

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214/215 - Remember these two posts RC when you see I'm town. Remember what I just told you at the end of the game we just finished as well.

You'll see I was right.

You think you can meta read me based on one game? There are players who use meta almost exclusively to read people and still cannot read me correctly.

You haven't noticed jack shit. You scum read my play-style and personality and not what is actually alignment indicative. The sooner you realise this, the better.

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241 - Havoc, why did you choose to leave some people out of your reads list?

Town read on Elyse feels premature.

I see your reasoning for one of Rune/RC being scum in 247 and that is weak sauce. How does the same not apply to Reverend and myself? Or Rune and Dannflor?

244 - PB, last time you posted you had Arceus and myself as scum. The next time you post with anything meaningful you're voting Havoc. What happened to your previous scum reads? Particularly Arceus as I don't believe they have posted anything significant since your last stated read.

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257 - Arceus, are you an alt?

Also, the end of this post feels scummy. Like, if I decide I'm not going to continue with my post, I delete it and post what I actually want to say (in his case, reasons for his reads on people). It feels like he left that there to show *effort*

I don't see you being so keen to slap down my read on toffee if you're scum with him. It's much more likely you're WK'ing him in an effort to get him on your side, in particular when it comes to pushing me.

Except that you explicitly stated that we were scum together here;

Yes I think rune and toffee could be scum together. Rune is trying to nudge me away from toffee. Why do you suppose that is? Why is rune concerned about my read on toffee? Why does rune feel I should "look elsewhere"? Why would town say that?

What's up with that?

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277 - Another alt. This should be fun.

Is that you, Anti? Bulge, have you played with Anti much?

I think Palkia is town already based on posts from this page.

276 - This doesn't address the issue Reverend. The people have changed, but the issue remains the same.

As I quoted, you said you don't see Rune hard defending their scum buddy by 'slapping down' your scum read of me yet you explicitly used that reasoning to justify how we were both scum.

Try again?

286 - Arceus, what happened to that list of reads/reasoning that you said was forthcoming?

287 - How is Reverend mislynch bait?

Speaking of jumping on major wagons; this seems an opportunistic time to suddenly be scum reading Rune (with a weak case) and voting him.

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301 - Palkia, how does what PB posted make you unvote Arceus?

317 - Arceus, why did you vote for Rune and not PB?

323 - This is a good post. Rune is town and this wagon is bullshit. Will be taking a closer look when I've caught up.

PEdit - Who isn't playing any more Oversoul?

@Reverend, yeah, I could buy that, if you hadn't

only just

tried to defend your position further. I know which alignment is more likely to be inconsistent with their reads and it's not the one with a green PM.

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327 - I don't get this TR on Arceus from Rev at all.

You're also desperately trying to hold onto your scum read of Rune.

337 - Umm, I don't get this vote PB...

347 - RC, you're right, I'm a fucking fantastic player.

You voted me before any of this came up. So, your reasoning comes

after

the fact you voted me. You wanna try again?

FWIW, I would love to see you try and get me PL'ed. That would be funny.

PEdit - That's unfortunate for you Oversoul, looks like you rolled scum.

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353 - Axe, why did you add Havoc to your scum reads?

I see further down (371) you explained your town read of PB and it makes no sense to me at all.

I don't get how you can town read Arceus without reading his posting. What makes you think he is town?

355 - Palkia, can you explain Arceus town read please?

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4 more pages to go!

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388 - Havoc, your scum read on Rune is poor based on a weak case.

Can you explain your Arceus read? Kept giving me tingles every time I read it. Wording feels strange. Like, I feel if you really thought his case on Rune was good you would think it was coming from a town mindset, no? This would then lead to a town read on Arceus?
Can you quote some of Arceus' posts that are 'not so towny'?

This Havoc wagon built up very quickly. I can kind of see why but the speed of it is making me nervous.

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407 - Palkia, why have you changed back to voting Elyse?

You initially voted Havoc because Elyse had no wagon. Havoc now has a wagon, Elyse still has no wagon, and you have gone back to voting her.

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429 - Well, this is no surprise at all.

448 - I actually like the vote and reasoning. I was also thinking along similar lines re: Elyse but I don't like to give too much weight to pre-flip associatives.

Interested in you elaborating on your Rev town read as well as your leaning town on Axe (that was a solid early town read?)

An explanation of your scum lean on me would also be great.

PEdit - Anything in particular you dislike Axe?

Without talking about other people, can you explain your town read on PB and your read on Arceus please?

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Alright, I'm all caught up.

I think HI's vote for PB was L-1.

I would like a current VC before deciding what I want to do.

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Wow.

Can you answer what I asked you?

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Ugh.

I fucking hate alts.

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Arghhhhh, why no PEdit. FFS.

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Palkia is Anti.

Arceus was Wgeurts?

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You wouldn't be the first. I'm naturally scum read until people understand it's a play-style thing.

What do you think about Rev mixing up his reads, trying to defend it, then backtracking completely?

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Oversoul you're crushing my scum read I had on that slot

Also, if it was Wgeurts, I think I have scum read him in every game we have played/I have seen him in so I would need to reevaluate that read pronto.

Anti, can you confirm if Arceus was Wgeurts? If so, how do you know?

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I read the page, multi-quoting the posts I want to respond to.

Then, I preview so I can see them altogether. Read them more carefully, comment on each post as I see fit.

PEdit - That is an awesome thread that I have never seen before.

I think Oversoul is town. Nice.

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I'm always skimming the game to try and keep up (even if I'm not posting)

I very rarely catch up cold where I haven't read a single thing but I don't process it fully until I'm actually catching up.

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What do you mean? I didn't think he back tracked from it? The mistake looked honest but I must have overlooked how he responded.

He tried to sidestep the initial issue claiming it was because he had mixed up players. However, the issue remained the same, just the players names changed.

He claimed Rune/myself were scum because of the way Rune town read me early game and tried to get Reverend to look in another direction (away from me). He later claimed that I'm not scum because he couldn't see scum!Rune defending scum!BBT in that way (despite explicitly using this reasoning earlier in the game).

When I questioned him on it just now, he claimed '111' posts had happened. This, again, does not address the issue and nothing had changed.

Twice he tried to defend his slip, with two different reasons, and both times the reasoning fell flat on it's face.

He lacks consistency in his reads and I think it's because he is scum.

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Yeah, Anti is town. Agree on that.

I cannot see the Rev town read though.

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That hammer was bad though Anti.

We needed more from a few people, most notably HI, Jake, TDA and Havoc.

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Palkia is town and you should feel bad for that vote Jake.

VOTE: Hostile Intent

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Jake and Reverend, can you state what you didn't like about the hammer and why it makes Palkia scum?

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Why is he town? Im not seeing it

His late D1 play is pretty town.

His entrance was also pretty town.

Can you explain your problems with the hammer?

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Ah, I see. That's it?

There is no way he could be town who hammers like that? Aside from the hammer, is there something in his play that makes you think he might be scum?

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I don't see how the hammer was scummy. Did I like it? No. Was the person being hammered a good lynch? Yes.

Can you point out some posts from Palkia you dislike and why you dislike them?

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VOTE: Jake

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What question?

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Bbt, how about you tell me what's protown about hammering somebody without a claim and without a good reason and the trolli g the game after basically laughing at us saying FU.

This one

There's nothing pro town about hammering without a claim.

That was a really easy question to answer. Did I pass?

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I'll read this game properly at some point.

Probably Monday.

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If axe and havoc are a team, how did the counterwagon form so efficiently and quickly? It would require hostile and Palkia to both be really bad town, which seems moderately unlikely.

HI could be scum.

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No you failed cause you are calling him town and I believe even said his late posts were town yet admit his actions are not.

This doesn't compute

Ah, I see.

Correct, his late Day posts were town. So were is entrance posts.

Looking at his overall play, it's clear Palkia is town.

You're trying to focus on one action to paint him as scum. Show me posts that make you think Palkia is scum.

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OK.

While you're there, what do you think about HI possibly being scum?

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Oversoul, you forgot Palkia is Anti?

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Yeah, pretty much confirmed.

His knowledge on the Arceus slot confirmed it.

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I have?

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I'm gonna do this.

VOTE: Rev

Still haven't read.

Come at me.

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I'm busy Rune.

That is genuine fear from Rev.

He was sweating while writing that.

I can feel it.

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I got you Rev.

It'll all be over soon.

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I'm kind of just procrastinating right now.

I'm supposed to be writing a dissertation but my brain is really tired so I use this as a break to take my mind off it.

The unfortunate thing is I can't put a whole lot of effort in because well a) I'm tired and b) I'm sick of reading right now.

So, I'm doing things that will hopefully prove interesting to read upon my return.

Apologies for trolling/being dumb.

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I'm here and I'm going to do things.

Got a lot to catch up on though so need some time.

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Quick comment;

That VC is atrocious. No counter-wagon to Oversoul at all and the votes are far too spread out.

Based on this alone Oversoul is prob town (though I do need to ask him about something)

VOTE: Hostile Intent

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504 - This was dumb. How the fuck would a scum flip have cleared those people? Nobody expected that quick hammer and scum could very easily have been bussing. This feels like something scum might say in an effort to look town.

OTOH, you've set yourself up quite nicely for the following Day (knowing full well PB was flipping town, right?) That's how you could afford to 'clear' four players from a scum flip. You knew it wasn't happening.

505 - So HI is brazenly scummy and he has messed your reads up. And this earns him a town read? Can you just walk me through that?

Oversoul and Palkia are probably town. You're either really bad at this game or you're scum. I'm starting to lean the latter.

513 - Why are you thinking about a SK? What makes you think we have one? What makes you think it's Elyse?

517 - No, these pairs are awful. Your last pair is now confirmed town, so, there's that. Then you have Oversoul/Palkia which, again, are likely town. I need to see more from Axe/Havoc before commenting on those.

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Vote Count 1.07

Prolapsed Brain (7)

- HaVoC, TheDudeAbides, Jake from State Farm, BlueBloodedToffee, Oversoul, Hostile Intent, Palkia

Just gonna go ahead and quote this for the ugliness of this wagon. We should be lynching from it (Hint: Not Oversoul or Palkia)

The kill off the PB wagon likely means scum are hiding on it, wouldn't be surprised to see two scum on the wagon. The scum off the wagon is Reverend.

528 - Rune, why are you willing to blindly sheep Rev? Why are you using his insane reads post as a justification for your vote?

Can you clarify why a) town are really terrible and b) scum are really terrible? What makes you think Havoc OR Hostile is town? Why not both? Why not neither?

529 - Oversoul, why HI?

Also, you never addressed my reasoning for why I thought Rev was scum. Can you do so now?

534 - Explanation of this vote would be great, Axe.

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555 - This assumes Palkia was under pressure. He wasn't. He wasn't even close to being lynched so to suggest he had 'given up' is ludicrous and quite frankly ridiculous.

556 - Rune, you're trying really hard to keep hold of that Oversoul scum read. I don't like this at all. It also seems silly to not read the player currently in the slot, no?

558 - The town were close to a lynch? Where?

So the wagon was 4 RVS votes and 3 quick votes (the only one of those votes with a decent explanation being Oversoul). So, tell me, why did you start the Day voting the only person who had a 'decent explanation' for voting PB?

If the hammer was so bad, and you disagreed with it so much, and you were scum reading Palkia so hard, why did your vote not go there?

Why would I unvote? I was waiting for a VC and was pretty happy where my vote was at that moment in time.

570 - All of this assumes Havoc is scum. Too many people are pushing this angle and I don't like it.

Elyse, can you explain all your town reads please?

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I'm done catching up for now. Will have plenty of time tomorrow to finish it.

Rune's play is driving me up the wall. I felt pretty good that he was town D1 but his D2 play has been absolutely awful.

All of Jake, Rev, Rune and Elyse are pushing the 'PB was counter to Havoc wagon' and 'hammer was so scummy' angle. Scum is among these people. Even more so if Havoc ends up flipping town at any point.

Still reading Oversoul as town. Not sure on Elyse, I don't like her recent reads at all.

I feel quite strongly that Rev is scum. I wanted to lynch from the PB wagon but I'm not so sure now. Will decide after I finish catching up.

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Does it?

Are you going to reply to anything?

Same to you, Rune.

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Yeah, I'm prob gonna lynch you.

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That's fine with me.

I wouldn't mind you self voting to really move it along as well.

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I haven't fully caught up Rune.

I asked why you didn't START the day voting Palkia given your obvious dislike for that slot.

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Can you walk me through your town read on HI in 505?

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513 - Why are you thinking about a SK? What makes you think we have one? What makes you think it's Elyse?

Here is a nice set of questions you chose to ignore.

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528 - Rune, why are you willing to blindly sheep Rev? Why are you using his insane reads post as a justification for your vote?

Can you clarify why a) town are really terrible and b) scum are really terrible? What makes you think Havoc OR Hostile is town? Why not both? Why not neither?

I mean, I'm very clearly asking you questions.

Are you reading?

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558 - The town were close to a lynch? Where?

So the wagon was 4 RVS votes and 3 quick votes (the only one of those votes with a decent explanation being Oversoul). So, tell me, why did you start the Day voting the only person who had a 'decent explanation' for voting PB?

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But he was the only person with a decent explanation for voting PB so it makes no sense for you to vote him.

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Just as I'm starting to feel better about Rune, Reverend votes him.

An explanation is going to follow that vote, right?

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I like his answers.

I'm beginning to think he's just a frustrated townie who doesn't really know what he is doing.

My read D1 on him was pretty strong as well.

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Umm, I answered 3, 4 and 5 before you even asked them.

I'll answer 6 when I've caught up.

First question, I guess it's because we're both town? Seems a dumb question.

As for 2, I thought HI was likely to be scum.

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Reverend jumps off Oversoul wagon...

Rune jumps off Oversoul wagon...

Hmm..

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577 - Your read on Axe here makes no sense, Rune. It's very wishy-washy. Explain your town read on Axe again for me please?

584 - Where is Hostile in this lynch list? You seem much more focused on Palkia, Oversoul and Havoc. Why not HI?

I mean, your case against Oversoul is 'he's too good as scum so I want to lynch him now before he just becomes so town I have no chance.' You're not considering that Oversoul just might be town. This is scummy.

593 - Rune is lining lynches up here, this feels scummy as fuck. I've seen enough now.

VOTE: Rune

594 - I like this post from Axe. I'm far from impressed by Elyse's contributions/reads so far this game and I could absolutely see this team.

I'm not big on associatives though and Rune is independently scummy, so, help me lynch him?

597 - I don't think the wagon was town driven (given the early votes were parked votes for a while. There will be scum on the wagon, and it's not Oversoul, Palkia or myself.

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1. It makes sense to me. Regardless, most of my townreads right now boil down to them not being on my list of scumreads. I would expect a different playstyle from Axe as scum in this kind of game.

2. HI looks like a possible scapegoat. Particularly at the beginning of D2, I was much more focused on Palkia and Oversoul, which was consistent with my end of D1 focus.

I am in fact considering that Oversoul might be town, and I have explained that despite my thought that he is scum, how my reads would change if he flipped town. How is that not considering the possibility of town Oversoul?

3. Your comment has nothing to do with the post you quoted. The post you quoted also contradicts your previous comment from point 2.

4. How can you like that post from Axe? It is incorrect that I wanted to lynch him D2. Factually incorrect. Blatant lie. I actually townread him in response to Elyse. But you like it. Are you serious?

5. If the wagon was not town drive, then Havoc is almost certainly scum and there is scum on the wagon. I am not Havoc and I wasn't on the wagon. Why aren't you voting Havoc? Why aren't you identifying who on the wagon you think is scum (although it's pretty obvious you're referring to HI).

Your vote on me is obviously not in the interest of town. Your post is also really bad. At this point, Havoc is almost certainly the correct lynch, and I haven't seen any reason why that shouldn't be the case.

1. I'm not particularly interested in how it makes sense to you. It needs to make sense to everyone else.

Having town reads because 'they're not in your scum reads' is dumb as fuck. Like, that might be the worst reasoning I have ever seen for a town read. Stop basing every single one of your reads on associatives/crack pot theories you're producing and start analyzing content.

2. Can you expand on why HI is a scapegoat? Out of everyone, why would he be the scapegoat? Yeah you're consistently looking to lynch town, I get that.
(disclaimer, this is not a slip before Rev jumps on it)

3. The post shows you lining up lynches. You need to lynch Oversoul first because if he is town you can still lynch Palkia. Lining up lynches.

4. I like his points on you/Elyse. You both strike me as particularly scummy.

5. I'll do this when I catch up properly. I need some time, I'm wondering why you don't think Havoc is a scapegoat but HI is. Havoc is very likely to get replaced also, so we should wait for that to happen.

HI and Jake look like good shots for scum on the PB wagon.

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No, I couldn't because I wasn't following the game properly. I've been ridiculously busy lately and I'm in an absurd amount of games at the moment. What difference does it make whether it was then or now?

1. Right. This is a great way for scum to fabricate their reads; you don't need to provide any reasoning other than 'they're not in my scum reads'. Weak. As. Fuck.

2. Multiple people came out and called Palkia scum. Multiple people have come out and claimed Havoc is scum. What's the difference?

3. I misread. My bad.

4. Yeah, if you're going to keep harping on about that when that's not what I am talking about then whatever.

5. Havoc wasn't close to being lynched. I said we could not establish whether the wagon was town driven because the votes were parked from early in the game. The end of the wagon is town though (with exception of HI).

Just because we had two wagons, it does not mean one of them was on scum. For example, why do you think RC was killed? Do you think it's possible we're supposed to see PB (confirmed town) and RC (confirmed town) and assume the Havoc wagon was on scum?

PEdit - I just think he is town. (I am worried he isn't posting here though)

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603 - Axe, Havoc's vote on PB was long before his wagon had formed so I'm not sure why you're using this as reasoning for Havoc to be scum.

Can you explain what posts from Jake look town to you?

What makes you think scum are waiting for town to push HI?

609/610 - Something happened in these posts, it feels like a slip but I can't figure it out. Elyse corrects '

Yeah Axe is scum too that post was horrible

' to '

Yeah Axe is scum tho that post was horrible

' which doesn't make sense.

If HI is scum I feel it's very likely Elyse is scum.

615 - I don't like this post from Oversoul. A whole lot of words that don't actually say much.

Can you explain what makes you think Elyse is town? I don't see it.

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631 - This is weak as fuck from Rev. I feel really good that Rev is scum.

637 - Rune, I don't get your obsession with making sure you hold your scum read on Oversoul. Despite numerous comments about him having a valid explanation for being on the wagon you continue to push him. I guess as long as he isn't your priority it's fine, but it really irks me.

643 - Axe, why are you TR Elyse for this? I don't get the TRs on Elyse at all, from anyone.

644 - Axe, you said you thought scum were waiting for town to push HI and now you're voting him.

Explain thought process?

PEdit - 609/610

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660 - How are you leaning town on HI?

666 - This actually makes sense from your POV, Rune. I think my main problem with you is your play-style and how you get your reads and this is effecting my ability to get a read on you.

I disagree that Oversoul is both a) scum and b) the best lynch for toDay.

673 - This is scummy as fuck. SCUMMY. AS. FUCK.

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679 - Rune, we have completely opposite reads. I don't know how you're town reading Rev, Elyse and Jake. Can you explain all three please?

Also, lynching for information is horrible. Instead of listing who is a good/bad lynch, can you give your reads on everyone please?

696 - You can reply now Rev. Brushing it off isn't going to work.

This game is an absolute shit show.

My top scum reads right now are Elyse, Rev and Jake.

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721 - I will try to answer these better now I'm in a better mood;

1) I thought HI was a good shout for scum on the PB wagon, especially as I think Oversoul and Palkia are town (this read on Palkia is disappearing quickly due to his absence though)

2) As above.

3) Jake is also a good shout for scum. I'm not impressed with his posting. I was also part trolling because I was procrastinating from doing important shit.

4) Rev is very, very far from town. He is probably my strongest scum read. I'm very interested in your explanation for this read.

5) Reactions/boredom/procrastination/semi-serious.

6) I don't have a read on Havoc (I'm guessing he will be getting replaced now so let's wait and see). I was less than impressed with his D1 posting; 247 made no sense and I felt his explanation for why one of you (Rune)/RC was scum was very weak. 376 felt scummy when I first read it, this is where I started thinking that Havoc might just be bad town. 388 was also weak, didn't like his reasoning for why you (Rune) was scum and his read on Arceus was weird.

Overall, I could see Havoc being scum but I get a general newb/bad town vibe from his posts. I also think he is perfect lynch bait because 'counter-wagon to PB' and the amount of people pushing this angle makes me think he is more likely to be town as well.

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739 - Oversoul, can you address my case for Rev!Scum now?

741 - Rune, can you show me where Jake is scum hunting please?

Rune, nobody defending Havoc is a sign that he is very likely town.

744 - Oversoul, you seem to be at the exact same place I am this game (the only person who is)

Let's talk. Specifically about Elyse and Rev.

PEdit - @Elyse - That sentence doesn't make sense with the word changed.

673 is scummy posturing.

You're assuming a few things here and claiming them like they're truth. That's bad.

@Rev - You're getting lynched. Only a matter of time. You don't feel the need to defend yourself right now because you're mostly town read, I'll crush those town reads and you'll start defending yourself/flailing all the way L-0 and eat rope.

@Jake - You post very little content, it's hard to interact with you. Not to mention I have spent the majority of this DP trying to catch up. I explained my town read on Palkia, did I not?

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750 - This shows how little people are reading this game. This is the first, of two times, that Rev scum reads two people who are NOT IN THIS GAME (Not_Mafia and MonkeyMan) and NOBODY points it out.

Elyse also strongly thinks you're town. Given you feel you have played sub-optimal to your town game so far (if we're to believe you're town), what do you make of that strong town read?

754 - Jake, Palkia's entrance is looking for reactions. It's most likely to come from a town mindset. Your read is weird 'Scum can do this, town can do this' all the time. Of course they can and it comes down to how we interpret it.

758 - Second time Rev mentions Not_Mafia and MonkeyMan who ARE NOT IN THIS GAME. Still, nobody picks it up. He also mentions Farside in this post for some reason.

Your insistence on the 'obvtown' is scummy. Strong town and obvtown are not lightyears apart and I want you to address why you're not questioning Elyse on this.

773 - I am beginning to doubt my town read on Palkia, Jake. However, he is absolutely not a priority lynch for me toDay. There are much scummier people in this game.

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784 - These reads are awful. You clearly read Rev's post yet DID NOT NOTICE he was speaking about two people who are not even in this game? Are you serious right now?

Don't get any of your scum reads either.

798 - Oversoul, talk to me.

Let's not do Havoc.

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And he is his own strongest town read. What the fucking fuck is that?

I don't know what this means.

That VC is disgusting.

VOTE: Reverend

Will do Elyse or Jake as well.

Nobody else.

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Finally caught up.

I think I have a major issue with the way Rune plays rather than things that are actually alignment indicative. I'm going to say he is town and reevaluate if needed at a later point in the game. I also like Oversoul for town, Palkia can be town as well but he really needs to start contributing. Axe also seems town.

I don't have much of an opinion on Havoc, for obvious reasons. I have expanded on Havoc not long ago, though. I don't feel much about HI and I keep forgetting TDA is playing this game.

As stated, scum reads are Elyse, Rev and Jake.

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Oh, I see that now haha.

Do you have anything to comment on?

Can you expand on your Rune scum read?

Can I interest you in a Rev vote?

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I know what tho means. You don't seem the type of person who abbreviates words like that either FWIW.

The 'though' was not in relation to our vote. It was in relation to his 'horrible post'.

You were posturing to join an Oversoul wagon.

PEDIT - IDGAF about this game.

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Jeanne, please claim like Innocent Child or some shit so we can get to actually lynching scum.

Thanks.

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Lynch me then.

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VT Innocent Child?

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Both bad lynch candidates. Well done.

Yeah, please fake claim Jeanne. You meant Innocent Child, right? Or mod confirmed two-shot-vig who can shoot on the same day and you're going to shoot Rev and Elyse...right?

Nah, I'll pass.

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Jeanne, look in scum PT.

I'm telling you to fake-claim.

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Nah, I'm done with this game.

I'm either way off in my reads (in which case it's pretty embarrassing for me) or I have found scum and town are not going to listen to me so I'm not concerned with putting any more effort into this game right now.

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Jeanne, when you got your role PM, it should say you have a thread where we can talk as scum?

You see it?

Click it.

I'm telling you some good stuff in that thread.

Act quickly. You can save this situation.

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Nope, not voting her.

PEdit - Jeanne, what are you doing? You're going to get me lynched...

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Jeanne, you're not helping my cause.

Read the game. Show people you are town so we can lynch scum.

Thanks.

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I don't think you should be lynched.

I'm trying to lynch Rev or Elyse toDay.

Help me.

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Oversoul, did you check my Rev case?

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Are all British people this arrogant?

LOL, did you just actually scum slip Oversoul?

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I know where it was meant now.

That is not the case Reverend.

Nice try though.

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Rev...eat rope.

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You're not flipping town.

But you know, if that did somehow happen I'd say you played badly and lynch Elyse.

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You realise Oversoul never quick-lynched PB, right?

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Wrong.

Palkia was.

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Why are you not concerned with Elyse's town read of you?

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EBWOP: Elyse's strong town read of you.

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But that's your reasoning for pushing Rune (?)

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No.

If you're scum reading Rune for town reading you then the same should apply for Elyse.

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Gut is fucking shit reasoning for D2 and you need to eat rope ASAP.

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No, it really isn't.

You've only just finished 'offering yourself to be lynched' as scum.

Don't give me that shit.

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Self-meta, yeah.

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Great, I also hope that we can do that.

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Fuck Palkia, this is absurd.

He clearly isn't even reading the game.

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Your play is fucking ridiculous this game.

I hate alt accounts, I'm not as sure as I was that this is Anti now. I refuse to believe he plays like utter fucking dog shit.

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I was trying to lynch Elyse toDay...you went and fucking hammered Jeanne.

How does that make any sense?

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i see no elyse wagon nor elyse vote

You're not reading the fucking game.

I wanted Rev or Elyse toDay. I would quite easily have voted Elyse if I thought there was support for a lynch there.

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If we have a vig, I WILL PAY YOU to shoot Palkia.

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I have something to say but I don't want to say it now so I'll say it tomorrow.

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I won't get killed tonight.

I don't have a voice in this game; I'm no threat.

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Rev, for you to feel threatened I would have had to have made some sort of wagon on you. Nobody was listening.

Everyone is town reading you, there would be no reason for you to kill me.

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Meh, scum were pretty obvious. That's pretty annoying.

Oversoul, PB is an alt of The Bulge.

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Rune, I'm not even engaging with your ego.

You're by far and away one of the worst players I have ever played with.

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Rune, there is a reason you lived until end game and I didn't.

You seem like you think quite highly of yourself, so I'm gonna let you work out why that might be.

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Thanks, I'm trying!

I wasn't exactly town reading Havoc, I proposed better lynches - Elyse or Rev. I wanted Havoc to be replaced and then Jeanne to produce more content before I committed.

You realize my lynch pool consisted of Elyse, Rev and Jake right? Like, we would have won the game had I been allowed to live and we did this?

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and killing someone like BBT who was mostly white noise

This is exactly why I thought I had no chance of dying.

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I know you're an alt.

You told me.

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You said you had modded with me and maybe played with me.

I believe it was Robbery at the Casino.

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http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/7asTj8kaCwY

Right here PB, near the beginning of the Day.

PEdit - I thought I was ripe for some targeting after my actions towards the Jeanne lynch. I just didn't see a way I would be killed.

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Now, you finally ready to admit you're The Bulge?

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Haha, fair enough.

I'm happy with you knowing that I know.