Open 596: Mega PopCorn Mafia - Over

[Nachomamma8]

One question: what is 'being ninjad'?

whenever you post and then the forum is like "someone else already posted! would you like to post something else now that you see their post?"

[vonflare]

[Nachomamma8]

Antihero, how is your West9 read looking?

[enomis]

Eh, how do mafia win btw. If they can't lynch, and can't kill, even if there is 1 townie and 4 goon left, the townie will still win? He just have to shoot every goon.

[Nachomamma8]

I think proper wincondition would be "Mafia wins when their number is equal to that of the town players".

[enomis]

Mafia Goon

You are a Mafia Goon.

Win Conditions:

You win if at least

one member of your group is alive and all other players are dead

(or if nothing can prevent the same).

[Nachomamma8]

i know i know

[Nachomamma8]

but that means scum automatically lose when vengefuls are dead and town doesn't lose until town's numbers are equal to vengeful's numbers and that seems terrifyingly town sided to me

[enomis]

but that means scum automatically lose when vengefuls are dead and town doesn't lose until town's numbers are equal to vengeful's numbers and that seems terrifyingly town sided to me

That's what i thought.

[enomis]

I think you are right though. Let's wait for mod to reply.

[enomis]

I tot you played this setup once before?

[Nachomamma8]

not this specific iteration, but yes

[julienvonwolfe]

Hi guys. I'm posting from my phone so formatting might be awkward. In reply to vonflare's characterisation of my earlier post as something like 'mostly wifom', I would point out that I did try to evaluate all the possibilities and say which I preferred. Read it again if you want.

And, to business:

VOTE: Wanderer-nl

I vote that we use votes, despite the cosmetic nature.

When I read the set-up, I thought about something that happened in a Lights Out 1 (completed theme park game in 2006) where Pooky created a referendum-based voting system to create a papertrail to ensure that there was always something to look back at. And in a game with "cosmetic votes", I think we need to do something specific to ensure that everyone can be held to some standard. Thoughts?

I also remember Kingmaker (and the subsequent other versions...I think there was a consulmaker too?) where there were several other voting methods in a game where a small number had power to decide the "lynch".

Yeah I like this. If we all vote the scum will have to join to not stand out so lets not wait too long either. If the gunbearer doesn't know who to shoot, they can always go with the person who has the most votes.
Or we decide right now the gunbearer will shoot the person with the most votes? That might pressure scum a little more into making cases on town.
When a gunbearer attempts to shoot a towny, he dies and the targetted townie gets the gun. If a vengeful gets shot, they both die and mafia gets to pick the new gunbearer. I think we should find the vengefuls as quick as possible because I'd rather have scum control the gun early game. It will be harder to assign a gunbearer later in the game because of associations.

I'll reread and see if I find something worthy of a cosmetic vote.

Here our friend Wanderer proposes normal mafia playing techniques (voting, lynching those with the most votes) as if they are incredibly useful scum hunting techniques. I'll admit that there's a reason that we use them in every other game, just about, as getting people to state their opinions is good for town, but I don't like the suggestion that we coerce (or constrain, perhaps) the gunbearer. From my perspective, the gunbearer is confirmed town, and any majority opinion of players will include scum joining and maybe even steering the wagon. I trust the gunbearer more than the collective will of the players, in other words.

But what really rubs me up the wrong way is the 'cosmetic' vote (because of course votes don't matter anyway, right, guys? ) and then the jumping on people like dcl and vonflare, both of whom seem to me to be more divisive than scummy.

[CB]

Dang every time I look at this thread it grows 5 pages.

Nacho seems like a very good player. He is asking very pointed questions and good at applying pressure. Right now I am worried that since he is such a good player, mafia may be trying to bait him into shooting a vengeful mafia to get him out of the game early. It would make sense since they gave such a good player a gun first. The quicker he is out the game the better for mafia. I am kind of afraid that vonflare is a trap right here. It is strange how much scum got pushed on him so quickly.

Also reading back through this post 35 is really weird to me. How does he accidentally make a post here that was meant for facebook, the interfaces are too different. I have a feeling it might have been meant for the mafia thread. Although I am not sure why he would post that in the mafia thread though.

[Wanderer-nl]

Yeah so I was just thinking that it's actually kind of weird Vonflare declared me town because he could have easily painted me scum, but that doesn't really matter in this setup. If the GB shoots other town, GB dies and target becomes new GB. I have absolutely no experience with this kind of setup, but my prediction is scum is going to be very careful when FoS'ing or even voting a GB-target.

@CB: it looks like a lot of people are jumping Vonflare but a lot of the discussion is really between Nacho and Vonflare and a little west and a naked vote from victor and a comment from flubber and me joinging later so I'm not sure how much of a trap it is.

[Flubbernugget]

Okay it's really sad that this keeps coming up but maybe this will shut people up

I saw what I saw on twitter and wanted to tell a friend about it, so I wrote the message to them. Then I opened my browser, but decided I wanted to tell someone else. Have you seen the fb messenger on mobile? It sits on top of whatever you're doing. My hair was wet, and while I was copying the message, and it dripped on my phone which fucked with the touch screen and pasted the message in the textbox, at which point I accidentally hit submit.

It's a one in a million chance of happening, but it still makes more sense than the most recent conspiracy theory I've seen over it

[Lucky2u]

Dang every time I look at this thread it grows 5 pages.

lol, i feel you bro.

[ArcAngel9]

About the win condition. Since scum has no night kill, they have to eliminate every townie. The 'or nothing can prevent the same' would be when there's one townie alive and at least one vengeful alive, right? Also, is it a tie when there's just a townie and a vengeful mafia left, or would that be a maf win?

At least one person lives from any factions becomes the winning team.
EX: If game gets to a day phase with 1 town vs 1 scum. Its auto town win. If game gets to 1 town vs 1 vengeful scum. Its draw.

[Nachomamma8]

:/

[Nachomamma8]

So we need to shoot incorrectly 8 times before shooting 3 vengeful scum

[ArcAngel9]

Eh, how do mafia win btw. If they can't lynch, and can't kill, even if there is 1 townie and 4 goon left, the townie will still win? He just have to shoot every goon.

I would be shocked to see if this happens. this is highly an unlikely scenario. Anywayz, I will save this topic for post game discussion. Please move on with the game.

[RedCoyote]

Wow, who wants to read 10 pages of what's probably a bunch of popcorn-related nonsense?

Wouldn't it be great if I could just sheep my broski Nacho all game? I mean, who would know?

[millar13]

Wow, who wants to read 10 pages of what's probably a bunch of popcorn-related nonsense?

Wouldn't it be great if I could just sheep my broski Nacho all game? I mean, who would know?

it is nonsense

[RedCoyote]

Who should I vote, brother millar?

[RedCoyote]

Whom