New York 185: Freshwater Frenzy!

[House]

/confirm

[House]

11 freakin' pages, people?

Screw that. This game starts on page 11.

I think.

[House]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Hey,

House

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The game started at 36

You're welcome. ^_^

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Nah. Nothing there impresses me.

[House]

House.

If there is anyone.

Anyone.

Who should read these 11 pages.

It's you.

If that's the case, then nobody should read those 11 pages.

I love how people always think they made some grand discover at the very beginning of a game (ESPECIALLY LARGES) and rush forward with a mislynch, then completely forget the rampant stupidity of it all D2.

Large early games are complete trash and not worth poring over. There will be sacrificial lambs thrown out with shit rationale and people will follow merrily along because it's the in thing to do.

[House]

@Egg:

Damn right I'm buddying Bookitty. Bookitty should be my buddy. If enough buddies get together, they can form a strong pact that'll destroy the scum. At this point, I don't care if my buddies are scum or third party. We need to eliminate an entire team or we lose. I've been in multiball before. If scum and third party double-down on their kills on town (and if town has killing abilities they mess up too), then we could easily lose several of our members after a mislynch. It's best to have everyone working together rather than against each other. I'll make friends and buddies for that cause.

What even the fuck?

I'm not even caring about scrutinizing posts at this point but this shit STILL smacks of scum motivation.

Read that with the assumption of town!Varsoon... makes

no

sense.
Read that with the assumption of scum!Varsoon... makes

perfect

sense.

Guess I'll start my game here.

[House]

Townread on lalaladucks.

I don't think I deserve this, but ty
Did you read all of my posts though? Some of yesterday's were pretty shite.

Would you believe it from me? Because I'm leaning that way, myself.

[House]

Has anything impressed you house?

That you know my playstyle and are throwing out such lackluster questions when you are capable of much more makes me sus.

So I guess that impresses me.

[House]

House.

If there is anyone.

Anyone.

Who should read these 11 pages.

It's you.

If that's the case, then nobody should read those 11 pages.

I love how people always think they made some grand discover at the very beginning of a game (ESPECIALLY LARGES) and rush forward with a mislynch, then completely forget the rampant stupidity of it all D2.

Large early games are complete trash and not worth poring over. There will be sacrificial lambs thrown out with shit rationale and people will follow merrily along because it's the in thing to do.

Stop promoting apathy.

Stop misrepping my posts.

Pointing out the obvious fact that d1 in larges are worthless is not promoting apathy. It's explaining my own disinterest in the dozen pages of shit that began this game.

God, I love how much I intimidate people.

[House]

Oh shit Varsoon wants to work with other people early on in a large game!?
Must be scum!

Except I'm not.
I don't follow your reasoning here, House.
I can also provide you with a shitload of meta evidence where I've done this as town before and not done it as scum.
But meta's dumb so let's not go there.

It's not your interest in working with other people that I find scummy, Varsoon. It's your complete disinterest in discerning the alignment of those you are willing to work with.

You don't seem to care who will work with you to lynch somebody else. As long as you are working with others, you have a say in directing lynches which keeps you out of the crosshairs.

That's just not town.

[House]

Also, thinking a Varsoon of any alignment makes sense is silly.

That's a fair point in itself, but you still have to play towards your win con. Drumming up an "anythingbloc" does that as scum.

[House]

[quote="In post 368, lalaladucks"][/quote]

356 reminds me

so

much of our first game together.

[House]

God, I love how much I intimidate people.

You don't intimidate me in the least. Where on Earth did you get that idea? I think your attitude sucks ass because there's a lot of info. in those pages and just because you weren't participating does not mean you should ignore it or tell others it's worthless. That is indeed promoting apathy and a negative atmosphere of "who gives a fuck"

Look at those 11 pages. A wagon on me when I wasn't even participating.

That's not info. It's shit. Period.

Stop being an idiot.

[House]

There's nothing worth reading. Town is stupid because there's nothing to go on. Scum can hide on it because, HELLO, there's nothing to go on.

Stop acting like one.

[House]

So far House gives me town vibes. Comes in the game all abrasive and not giving a crap.

Don't fall for that. He pulled that same shit on me as scum and I townread him for it in the last game we played. He can emulate his abrasive town meta as scum. Be very careful here.

And you say I don't intimidate you.

[House]

So far House gives me town vibes. Comes in the game all abrasive and not giving a crap.

I fail to see how that gives you townvibes but I guess so?

@House:

We're in a 14-3-3-1 setup.
Follow me here, okay? Follow me.
That means that regardless of my alignment, I've got 3 other factions to defeat for my wincon.
Regardless of Cheetory and Bookitty's alignments, they've got 3 other factions to defeat for their wincon.
AS TOWN, it's more important than anything to defeat the other factions with a lynch because

that's the only fucking way they will be able to.

So it

absolutely does not matter who allies together at this point in the game

because no matter the overlap, we will have two common enemy factions.
Encouraging

focus

and

direction

in a large game is good this early on.
Encouraging

dialogue

and

interaction

in a large game is good this early on.
Your efforts to call that out as scummy are noted, but I will not have you dismantle my attempt to get this fucking game running, House.
Either get on the helping side of things or be derisive. But know that if you stand against me, you're already dead.

You are conveniently avoiding three important points:

As scum, you can direct kills away from your buddies.
As third party, you keep yourself safe as long as the alliance holds.
As town, you are blindly charging along to the lynch of people who could well be town.

There is zero town motivation in your actions.

[House]

How would I be directing kills away from buddies as scum? That would become blatantly obvious the second I died and flipped if I were scum. Bad House.

That's a fair point, considering the multiple scum teams. I'm used to single scum faction games.

How would I be keeping myself safe if I was third party in an earlygame alliance? I could still be investigated, killed, and even lynched late game. Bad House.

And I hope you are, simply because your attempt to get people together regardless of alignment just feels slimy.

How would making an earlygame pact be ANY MORE blind than voting independent of that as town? Bad House.

Because the complete disinterest in the alignment of those you are working with is scummy as fuck. It provides shelter and a voice. Powerful tools for scum.

However, it also puts a huge bullseye on your head for the opposing scum faction/third party. Huge drawback for scum. Unless you're BP.

I've explained my motivations, House. I'm trying to encourage direction, focus, dialogue, and interaction among strong players in this game. Furthermore, I'm trying to do so with people that I am townreading. You're hinging a lot of your shit in this notion that I absolutely do not care about who sides with me. In that case, you are ALSO incorrect, because I've not extended the offer to work alongside people that I am actively scumreading.

Now you're backpedaling. You stated quite plainly that it didn't matter the alignment of those working together because we all have to eliminate one of the teams anyway.

So why would you not offer to work alongside an active scumread to accomplish that common goal, when you used that very rationale to justify your efforts?

So I hope that, at least, you can come to understand where I'm coming from. Continuing to insist otherwise is a scum-claim.
And in that case, you won't make it through the night.

Why is disagreeing with your anti-town actions a scum-claim?
Why would a scum-claim result in me not making it through the night, when it would be much easier for scum to push me as a mislynch and save them the bullet?

[House]

@House, During Day 1, Day 1 is useless. The longer the game progresses the more valuable Day 1 is.

I agree with that. But there is no reason for me to worry about reading a dozen pages of garbage when it's still too early in the game for me to get anything from it anyway.

[House]

Teamwork is the key to victory. Unless you conftown being an ass is not helpful.

Frankly, being conftown is less helpful than being an ass.

Being conftown winds up getting one killed. Being an ass winds up getting one wagoned.

Being an ass has a much higher survival rate, in my experience.

[House]

If you're actively working against town, it makes you a strong target (given how this playerbase considers you) for investigations and kills.
That's why.

I'm not actively working against town. I'm actively protesting an anti-town campaign. Working with people regardless of their read of alignment (or lacking a read, for that matter) is anti-town. Simple as.

I'd be much more inclined to participate in this d2/3, it's far too early to try to make any sort of alliance, yet.

I want people to be able to participate and work together towards these lynches with outspoken input.
Is that so anti-town? :/

On d1 it is. People need to get a grasp on reads before they start working together or scum can direct kills onto easy targets.

[House]

Jesus, House.
I'm

NOT

working with people regardless of their alignment.
I'm saying that if it turns out my read is wrong, I don't care.
Furthermore, other people's read of me shouldn't matter as much this early in the game because direction, focus, dialogue, and interaction is more important.

Anyway.
We could bicker all damn page about this and we almost have.

I'm more interested in your reads, how you feel about the Lalaladucks wagon (both the slot and the people voting it) and if you'd be interested in being my friend.

A bit early for reads yet, considering I barely got into the game and only began reading in earnest at your alliance campaign.

I'm against the ducks wagon. I like her for town right now, but that's not set in stone. I do want to see more from her, though.

As far as being your friend, sure... when I see more from you that I like. I wasn't scumreading you for the alliance thing. I just didn't like it.

[House]

@House, Last time I checked, survival is not the goal. I get mislynched a lot as town, but that's ok as 9/10 the Sumatran gets speed lynched there after. So stop with the needing to survive. It gets you scumread and hurts town, if you are town.

As town, it is in my best interest to stay alive, unless I can take down at least one scum with me.

Unlike yours, my lynches typically don't result in a follow-up scum lynch.

So, I have to try to stay alive long enough to make a positive contribution.

[House]

Not liking post 402 by house.

And I know why you don't like that post.

There's more than one reason for me to make that post, however.

[House]

Not liking post 402 by house.

why not? It made sense to me. You can't be very useful to the town if you end up dead without contributing to the win.

She's used to my earlier games where I was apathetic to survival as town.

[House]

Okay you know what I'm pretty damn close to positive on this now.

VOTE: Dragonspawn

There's my contribution to the game.

I'm feeling it.

VOTE: dragonspawn

[House]

House, how do you feel about Dragon so far?

He's scum.

Don't let him fool you with his tricks.

[House]

House, how do you feel about Dragon so far?

He's scum.

Don't let him fool you with his tricks.

What tricks have you seen of him?

Liking 466 from Silver

Because she is voting for ACTUAL REASONS.

I'm totally voting for ACTUAL REASONS. Just because I'm not posting them doesn't mean I don't have them.

[House]

@Egg: Why would I vote for somebody I'm not scumreading?

[House]

I agree. Of scum was afraid of house the more obvious thing to do is just ignore him and nk. But maybe they aren't afraid of him. Maybe they think they mislynch him or think they can get the town afraid of him. Shrugs.

I'm just trying to figure out what side he is on. Game feels different but I'm not sure if that alignment indicative or not.

as for varsoon, I thought the SK comments are odd because ots usually scum interested in the SK this early. So they can look like the are scum hunting. Problem is this is multi all so they should be scum bunting regardless. And also little cautious of varsoon because of my upclose view of his recent scum game. He is really good at avoiding suspicion.

I'm also eading oz as more townish. I don't like how his wagon is already at L4 this early in the game. Obvious I'm willing to keep an eye on him. I should take a closer look at his wagon too.

I'm mass murdering everybody at your house so hard tonight.

[House]

Hey T S O, are you scum?

[House]

I'm in a neighborhood called Central Windgale with dragonspawn (and some others), and I want him dead so I can participate in it, please.

kthx.

[House]

I'm in a neighborhood called Central Windgale with dragonspawn (and some others), and I want him dead so I can participate in it, please.

kthx.

Oh, this changes things. This makes sense now. House, vote someone else in the neighborhood if you have to do someone from the neighborhood. Dragon is not scum.

Dude, you don't know him. I do.

He's scum.

[House]

By the way, when dragon flips scum, I'm going to need a doctor on my ass tonight, please.

[House]

Why do you think you'll be killed, House?

~reasons~

[House]

Oh screw it.

I'm a JoAT

1x Gunsmith
1x Tracker
1x Bodyguard

And I want dragonspawn killified so I can work with my neighbors on where to use my abilities.

[House]

What would happen if you used Bodyguard on a Doctor who targeted you? Would both end up with protection?

I throw out a d1 claim with no pressure

that

is your question?

[House]

My first question, at least.
I figured that you claimed to give more leverage to your Dragon's push and to ensure that you draw a protect tonight.

Why did you full-claim?
Did you claim earlier in your neighborhood?
Do you think being a JoAT in a neighborhood makes it more likely that there's scum in your 'hood?
What makes you so sold on Dragons?

You asked a question. I decided to answer it.
No, because scum would have had that information without all of town having it.
No, I believe all hoods have a minimum of one scum, with two scum being a possibility.
I'm psychic. Lynch the bastard.

[House]

I'm in a neighborhood called Central Windgale with dragonspawn (and some others), and I want him dead so I can participate in it, please.

kthx.

Does he have to be dead for you to participate in it? if so, that is you just wanting what you want, and not actually wanting scum lynched. If not, then why does it matter if he's in it?

Yes he has to be dead for me to participate in it. Because it's not worth having scum in the hood to try to work out the best use of my abilities.

I refuse to use any night actions until he's dead.

Period.

[House]

@House, I know Dragonspawn as well as you do. I go no reason to think he's scum.

@Wolf, Boon is added due to superficial focus on theory and overconfidence related to it. There's very little chance of useful day 1 VCA and Boon is "guaranteeing" shit. The only way that can be accurate is Boonscum. Boomtown tends to be less arrogant too.

You're also working with limited information.

[House]

VOTE: Bookitty

Here's a vote switch to piss off town.

[House]

Gah, the week of finals... and...

*Reads Thread*

What in the actual hell. House, like. Are you on something? o_o

House only claimed 3 roles. From what I know of House, he usually doesn't fully claim in D1, or even if his claim I accurate. So, I question Houses credibility in his claim.

I'm a tad bit more sure Varsoon is town but I don't know for sure. If he is in a neighborhood as he's said, I won't be surprised Bookitty is in it. >_<

I haven't done a major in-depth ISO on Ozgin or Dragon so far because I'm busy, but with all this new info. I think I'm going to step back for a bit and evaluate both of them before I stick to a wagon.

UNVOTE: dragonspawn

>>> For now, possibly.

Why is dragonspawn no longer scum?

[House]

750

I didn't say he still wasn't likely scum in my eyes, I just wanted to go through with the ISOs I said I would before making an absolute decision with my vote.

If you're currently a lot more sure of Dragon-scum than I am, can you enlighten me?

You vote dragonspawn for reasons that have nothing to do with mine (I know this because I specifically avoided stating them), yet you unvote almost immediately after me.

What about my unvote made dragonspawn less likely to be scum?

[House]

House only claimed 3 roles. From what I know of House, he usually doesn't fully claim in D1, or even if his claim I accurate. So, I question Houses credibility in his claim.

This is D1. Nobody has any idea what roles there are. Fake-claiming JoAT, regardless of the abilities claimed, would be idiotic for scum to do because it would be a simple matter for the real JoAT to counterclaim. Regardless of which one is lynched first, it results in outed scum.

It would be suicidal for scum to cripple themselves like that right out of the gate, and incredibly stupid for town to do so.

[House]

VOTE: Ozgin

I can't vote Bookitty. I just.. can't.

[House]

This is a long shot but Dragon, can you confirm or deny his claim about being a part of a neighbourhood?

houses claim of a neighborhood.

totally true. In fact he fake claimed mass murderer and said he wanted almost all of us dead in one of his first hood posts.

Sure did!

[House]

I'm in a neighborhood called Central Windgale with dragonspawn (and some others), and I want him dead so I can participate in it, please.

kthx.

Does he have to be dead for you to participate in it? if so, that is you just wanting what you want, and not actually wanting scum lynched. If not, then why does it matter if he's in it?

Yes he has to be dead for me to participate in it. Because it's not worth having scum in the hood to try to work out the best use of my abilities.

I refuse to use any night actions until he's dead.

Period.

cause you don't have any

Where is the pro-town motivation in making this post? If I don't, I'm clearly attempting to draw the NK. You're not a simpleton, you know that.

Lynch this shit with fire, people.

VOTE: dragonspawn

[House]

-House: bad claim plus dragon tunnel and not much else-while

I don't like him

, I don't see scum pulling the JOAT gambit really

That hurt.

[House]

Eh, screw it.
My neighborhood is Cheetory, Drixx, TSO, and me.
TSO and Drixx have been largely absent but they've also been V/LA and have had a lot going on in their lives.
Cheetory is hesitant to do much in the hood 'cus he thinks we've got scum in it.
I've been fairly vocal about my play in there so far.
Our Neighborhood is called Bastion Veronica.

Strange, that doesn't fit Wake's room meta at ALL.

[House]

Somebody point me somewhere.

I still think we need to lynch from our hood.

[House]

Is what happens when you crumb a mason role.
And act strangely chummy with people and you can't explain it.
Maybe next time you get a role like that, you could like, not do either of those things? q.q

P-Edit: House you could help me kill prolapsed. Look at the guy he's so rude.

Why would I do that when I clearly want to get the scum out of my hood?

[House]

Somebody point me somewhere.

I still think we need to lynch from our hood.

What are your thoughts on kitz and egg?

I have to resist the urge to lynch Kitz because... I always want to lynch Kitz.

Egg is an asset when he's town, so I don't want to paranoia lynch there.

[House]

This leaves Bookitty. ^ Bookitty is today's lynch.

If you guys lynch her I won't object... but I can't vote her.

Her powers of AtE are strong.

[House]

This leaves Bookitty. ^ Bookitty is today's lynch.

If you're basing that off my PoE, don't. It's weak.

I'd rather someone that is better at this game and strongtown make a judgment call on Kitz, because I'd hate for us to lose town!Boo over scum!Kitz, if that be the case.

[House]

Anen, look at the sample role pm. Are you saying the wording on your pm where the sample pm says Citizen is a different color?

Isn't this kind of scumhunting supposed to be frowned upon by site meta?

(Note: I'm not scumreading you for it skybird, I know others are sniffing around this issue too... just seems like a red herring)

[House]

Why would I do that when I clearly want to get the scum out of my hood?

Didn't you acknowledge earlier that Wake is a jerk who sometimes makes all-town neighborhoods? Why are you hunting purely based off of who's in your neighborhood rather than who you're finding scummy atm, especially if you're admitting that you're really not feeling sure on any of those reads?

No, I didn't.

[House]

I am tentatively placing Drixx as town. In his spot, I would be annoyed as well if the hood was outed.

@House, Why are you taking issue with Skybird's hunting based on role PMs but not Varsoon's?

@Bookitty, can you go into more detail about your right and wrong reasons on Ozgin?

I already said I wasn't scumreading skybird for it,

and

I acknowledged that others were doing the same thing, so idk what you're asking, exactly.

[House]

I was suspicious in the hood for trying to engage you in conversation and actually use the hood? And you guys wonder why I thought the wagon was week even before the claim.

If the wagon was weak, why the claim?

[House]

Dear Titus,

VOTE: Ozgin

Sincerely,

House

[House]

Note for Taly:

You are right, I do have 4 abilities. Ask yourself what you think my 4th is, and why I may have been unwilling to share it.

Now wait a minute. Stop reading right now. Go back to the last light and let it marinate in your cranium.

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No. Keep thinking on it.

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COGITATE MOAR BRAH

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Once you've chewed on that for a bit, here's another question:

What is the pro-town motivation in pointing out the unorthodox number of abilities in my claim?

[House]

light = line


fucking sigh

[House]

Hints for the pro-rolefishers to make things interesting:

1) I had to resist the urge to use it on dragonspawn (and now Taly)
2) It does not involve weapons of any kind.

[House]

Wow. No one believes I'm town. This is dismal.
What are you guys gonna do when I flip town? Because I will.

I'm "no one"?

Really?

[House]

How would you know ducks is a mislynch?

This kind of dumbassery is what makes me want to lynch you.

Even the scum don't know if a lynch is a mislynch.

[House]

I'm "no one"?

Really?

Figured your townread on me would've withered away with the tatters of my play~

No. You're just newbtown that's overwhelmed in a large game that you're not prepared to play and having your posts manipulated by scum to become an easy d1 mislynch.

Quit with the pity party and find the scum on your wagon.

[House]

Anen, if you are town gtfo lala and recognize drowning newbtown when you see it.

Large games are a lot for new players to take in. Read her posts in context.

And that goes for the rest of you idiots jumping on the easiest excuse to vote, too. That kind of shit is what makes it so damned easy for scum.

Wake the hell up and get back to lynching scum.

[House]

Why are you so sure that she's not scum?
Also, I don't think she's newb. I've just checked it and she was (and is) in quite a couple of games before.

Her oldest game is March 5th. This is May 22nd. That's 2.5 months.

if this was the only game she was in, I could see being critical. But this isn't the only other game she's in, so her play here looks to me like she simply jumped in over her head, not appreciating the nature of large games.

Now gtfo her wagon and lynch scum.

[House]

Will we sort her out later?

When we have more to go by than whining about fluff, absolutely.

Give the duck a chance to adapt, is all I'm asking.

[House]

House, your strong-arm play puts a really sour taste in my mouth, but you'll also very likely be sorted out overnight.
What I'm not sure of is why you're wagoning Ozgin.
I'd like you to elaborate on that.

That's an easy one.

I'm sheeping Titus because I'm completely disinterested in d1 of larges.

The only reason I care about the ducky wagon is because I hate seeing those I consider a friend get lynched over idiotic excuses.

And frankly, I don't give a damn what my play leaves in your mouth.

[House]

Dear Titus,

VOTE: Ozgin

Sincerely,

House

How does this not convey the reason behind my vote?

[House]

I was hoping you'd have something more than a sheep-vote at this point in the game.
And aw, don't act like you don't wanna share something sweet with me~<3

This point in the game is d1 of a large.

NOBODY has anything of import to vote for at this point.

[House]

Okay, House. But this doesn't mean that my scumread on Lalala has just gone.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Ozgin

Good man, I'll even meet you halfway and say if she doesn't town it up d2, my vote is going there too, friend or no.

Hear that ducky? GET QUACKIN'!

[House]

quack

thanks House

I'll try not to screw up so much next Day if I'm not lynched today.

You could start now by finding the scum on your wagon, because that pile on is NOT all town.

[House]

lalaladucks

dragonspawn

,

RadiantCowbells

,

Boonskiies

,

Aneninen

,

Ozgin

There's my opinion of the ducky wagon.

[House]

Yeap

The scumreads I listed were more suspicious to me than PB. I voted for PB and not my scum reads because I believed a single vote for one of my scumpicks would be useless, whereas PB may come and do something if he had more votes. Kinda just to get my vote off House I guess. Yeah, it's stupid and my votes are just all over the place and I probably deserve to be lynched for this nonsense.

UNVOTE:

@Anen: She had this same self-defeatist attitude in the newbie game I was in with her.

I used it to get her mislynched for the win. She was town, and I was scum.

[House]

You don't believe the Best Friends claim, House?

I believe it. I just think he's scum anyway.

dragon is always scum.

[House]

@House: Ugh. If all you base your play on is night-kills, lynches, and PRs, why even post at all?

To avoid prods, on d1.

[House]

And you think she couldn't use it against you?
Rather, I think you're using it here to force focus onto the Ozgin wagon and set up for lynches tomorrow based on who is wagoning Ducks.
Like, eeeh, that's really transparent.
:l

You're awfully pushy about her for not even being on her wagon, Varsoon.

[House]

If Ozgin isn't lynched today, RadiantCowbells should be.

[House]

Until the mod posts the votecount, it's not on the wagon.

[House]

I'm actually more pushy about you, House.
You're pushing around a lot of weight and straight up pulling strings, too.
It's... wack.

And again, I don't really give a damn what you think of me.

My claim pretty much townfirms me. I'd have been dead in the water making it as scum. Wake uses JoAT a good bit, and faking that claim would have put a great big bulls-eye on my head when the real one countered me.

That you're trying to paint me as scum when it's pretty obvious I'm town via mechanics alone is

funny

scummy.

[House]

House, your strong-arm play puts a really sour taste in my mouth, but you'll also very likely be sorted out overnight.
What I'm not sure of is why you're wagoning Ozgin.
I'd like you to elaborate on that.

That's an easy one.

I'm sheeping Titus because

I'm completely disinterested in d1 of larges.

The only reason I care about the ducky wagon is because I hate seeing those I consider a friend get lynched over idiotic excuses.

And frankly, I don't give a damn what my play leaves in your mouth.

This statement seems at odds with your play earlier. You came into the game all determined to get someone in your hood lynched. I'd hardly call that disinterested.

Duh, because 5 people is easier to sort than 20+.

Then the game descended into chaos and I said fuck it & checked out.

And here we are.

[House]

House-I don't like how you've barely participated and are suddenly going to rush in here to push everyone off lala. I'm going to meta her, and see if you are being honest about how she plays.

Right Wolf, because when I'm scum, I'm just THAT DAMNED OBVIOUS about it.

Totally makes sense.

[House]

I'm going to meta her, and see if you are being honest about how she plays.

Let me hit fast forward: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p6751625

There's the game and post you should start at.

[House]

Easily.

Especially

if BP.
The point of the claim was to put himself out of lynching territory and to draw a target on himself.
There's a few reasons I could think of for both scum and town House to do that.
The trick is discerning the truth. :l

Bulletproof JoAT?

If only...

I mean... yeah, totally!

[House]

Anen, if you are town gtfo lala and recognize drowning newbtown when you see it.

Large games are a lot for new players to take in. Read her posts in context.

And that goes for the rest of you idiots jumping on the easiest excuse to vote, too. That kind of shit is what makes it so damned easy for scum.

Wake the hell up and get back to lynching scum.

bad logic. Last time I gave a newb the benefit of the doubt after seeing evidence of them being scum, you terrorized town much longer than you needed to

Fine. Where's the scum motivation? Show that to me and I'll acquiesce.

Until you do... until you

can

... stfu and move on.

[House]

You do know that scum will be on her wagon if it gets large enough whether she's town or scum right?

What does that have to do with anything? My point about her wagon having scum on it was because it got piled onto so quickly. There's definitely 1 scum there, and quite likely 2.

You do know she could be scum that you are protecting and if so, letting her live overnight could be a mistake right?

It wouldn't be the first time, either. That's not going to stop me from defending my townreads, though.

Also, it's not like I'm suggesting we give her a free pass for the entire game. This isn't your average mini/micro. This is a Large. And a Wake Large, at that. This is not the kind of game that a newb player should leap into with a handful of games under their belt and expect to do well when they're splitting their attention with other games.

You do know if there's a JOAT here, they'd be idiotic to cc you right now and SHOULD NOT right? So stop suggesting it at all.

I wasn't suggesting any such thing, so idk wtf you're going on about.

I will be doing a meta dive on duckie. I'm still V/LA today but I'll see what I can do. Thanks for the link, but given your defense of her, I'll be including all her games.

Did I say that was the only game you should read? No. I did not.

I gave you that link as a starting point (and you should read her ISO from that point forward because she continues her self-defeatist attitude later on that day as well), not as the end-all/be-all of what you should read. Don't compare apples to oranges, though. If you're going to compare her activity/contribution level between games, make sure it's another Large you're comparing it to.

I also don't like Titus' defense of her either. Why are either of you working so hard to save her? I can see both town and scum pulling this for a variety of reasons. I don't think either of you are scum but I don't like it regardless.

Asked & answered.

[House]

House, your strong-arm play puts a really sour taste in my mouth, but you'll also very likely be sorted out overnight.
What I'm not sure of is why you're wagoning Ozgin.
I'd like you to elaborate on that.

That's an easy one.

I'm sheeping Titus because I'm completely disinterested in d1 of larges.

The only reason I care about the ducky wagon is because I hate seeing those I consider a friend get lynched over idiotic excuses.

And frankly, I don't give a damn what my play leaves in your mouth.

This right here makes me want to lynch la la. You are not this bad House. You don't give a shit about your friends in games being wagoned and lynched and that's a terrible reason not to want to lynch a person. You want to give her another day and then what? Say she's scum. You just gave her a night to pull her scum shit. That's just plain stupid.

You claim to be completely disinterested in larges and sheeping Titus because you don't care about this game but here you are so certain that la la is town that you want to give her a pass because she's your friend.

la la has been making excuses and throwing a pity party for herself all game, she's been doing the "you are suspicious of me and must be scum because scum always try to mislynch me due to my shitty play", "I know I'm bad, I deserve to be lynched, blah blah blah" AtE. She voted Prolapsed for absolutely no reason and then didn't even include him in her top 6 scum reads. She defended Ozgin and said she sorted him as town and doesn't want him lynched but didn't put him in her top 6 town reads. She OMGUS'd anen and FA for pushing her.

You know what? Being on V/LA, I don't have time for this shit.

VOTE: la la duckie

You don't have time to carefully consider your vote, like town Wolfie always does... but you vote using tired, worn out b/s that has already been addressed?

Yeeeeaah... no.

Stop being thick-headed and just instantly disagreeing with something simply because I said it. I gave ample proof of the reason I don't want ducky lynched today. You being too damned lazy to read it is your fault. Not hers.

[House]

Fine. Where's the scum motivation? Show that to me and I'll acquiesce.

Until you do... until you

can

... stfu and move on.

Scum motivation for you to hard-defend laladucks and use that defense as a means of shifting votes from the laladucks wagon towards the ozgin wagon ooooor....
Scum motivation for laladucks to play a large game in a way that doesn't directly step on any players toes, takes a backseat, pushes counterwagons without much reason to outside survivalism, appeals to emotion, etc.?

'cus, I mean, you don't have to be a creative genius to think of either.
Also, I think the whole "Until you can show me the scum motivation" thing is kinda like admitting that you're going to hold the same position regardless of contrary evidence. Kinda like Titus and her death-tunnel on Ozgin. :/

It actually bothers me that you're all about a 1-day-free-pass on Laladucks but could care less when I'm corralling for the same thing for Ozgin.

I actually wasn't aware that Ozgin was fairly new to the site. That said, I do believe he has mentioned having experience on another site, so you're still trying to compare apples to cheerios.

[House]

Anen, if you are town gtfo lala and recognize drowning newbtown when you see it.

Large games are a lot for new players to take in. Read her posts in context.

And that goes for the rest of you idiots jumping on the easiest excuse to vote, too. That kind of shit is what makes it so damned easy for scum.

Wake the hell up and get back to lynching scum.

bad logic. Last time I gave a newb the benefit of the doubt after seeing evidence of them being scum, you terrorized town much longer than you needed to

Fine. Where's the scum motivation? Show that to me and I'll acquiesce.

Until you do... until you

can

... stfu and move on.

the scum motivation for what exactly? Ducks game?

faking reads? Can't imagine why scum would fake reads. Oh wait, I know. To try to look town.

Yeap

The scumreads I listed were more suspicious to me than PB. I voted for PB and not my scum reads because I believed a single vote for one of my scumpicks would be useless, whereas PB may come and do something if he had more votes.

Kinda just to get my vote off House I guess. Yeah, it's stupid and my votes are just all over the place and I probably deserve to be lynched for this nonsense.

UNVOTE:

[House]

Fuck it.

VOTE: dragonspawn

Now lynch me for my shitty vote so I don't have to put up with this bullshit for the next 2 months.

[House]

So much for your confidence is ozgin being scum. You're so sure he is scum you're going to vote for a person you whose town claim you believe.

if I'm playing so scummy what is so difficult about addressing any of my points? Is a vote for me going to really make me back off considering all that's happened and the likelihood that your vote will turn into a wagon on me?

the only motivation I can see here is you're going to be so absurd that people will start thinking he has to be town because scum would never do that.

I did and you twist everything in such a scumfuck way that I want you dead regardless of your role.

Oh noez, how scummy am I for saying that?!

[House]

House if you make another nonsensical overdramatic post like that last one I will assume you're trying too hard to emulate the zaniness of your towngame.
You're a smart guy.
You can't fool me.
Bb.

So much for your confidence is ozgin being scum. You're so sure he is scum you're going to vote for a person you whose town claim you believe.

if I'm playing so scummy what is so difficult about addressing any of my points? Is a vote for me going to really make me back off considering all that's happened and the likelihood that your vote will turn into a wagon on me?

the only motivation I can see here is you're going to be so absurd that people will start thinking he has to be town because scum would never do that.

I did and you twist everything in such a scumfuck way that I want you dead regardless of your role.

Oh noez, how scummy am I for saying that?!

[House]

Eenie
Meenie
Miney
VOTE: RadiantCowbells

[House]

Based on the lalaladucks wagon, I'll lynch RadiantCowbells or Varsoon today.

Not feeling an Ozgin lynch for reasons discussed in the 'hood (Spoiler: I actually agree with something dragonspawn said and disagree with my favoritest cuddlebug evar).

[House]

Yoh House.
Tell me whether I should ISOdive Taly or Bookitty.
Then talk at me about your Ozgin read atm.

P-Edit: nvm.

ISO & Meta Bookitty.

I have a terminal townread on her & find it nigh impossible to bring myself to lynch her.

[House]

Could you talk at me about your read on Prolapsed?

That all happened during my period of IDGAF.

[House]

Hey House, can you explain to me your vote on RC? Or why exactly you would want to lynch them?

Harken back to post 1280. RC notes suspicion of lalaladucks.

Leap ye forward to post 1311. RC votes lalaladucks.

What is missing between 1280 & 1311?

[House]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=60652
I'm saying why is it not that he makes a mistake as VT and then is trying to cover it up because he knows it was a mistake and he's narrowed nightkills.

Because the more he flounders, the less likely scum will kill him anyway because he's too prime as a mislynch target?

[House]

House, you have Boon as town and Dragonspawn as scum. You realize this makes absolutely no sense, right?

Sure it makes sense. I completely buy the claim, I just wanna kill him regardless.

It's compulsory.

Though to be fair, that has kinda subsided since some discussion that has happened in the 'hood.

And on that note:

VOTE: Ozgin

Because getting caught back up.

[House]

Not feeling an Ozgin lynch for reasons discussed in the 'hood (Spoiler: I actually agree with something dragonspawn said and disagree with my favoritest cuddlebug evar).

Heh?

It's pretty sad what you miss out on when you're not part of the Kool Kids Klub.

[House]

You don't believe the Best Friends claim, House?

I believe it. I just think he's scum anyway.

dragon is always scum.

Per the wiki, Best Friends know each other are town. So, your two assertions blatantly contradict each other.

Stop this.

(still on page 57, reading and posting stream of consciousness.)

On preview, I see talk of hammer-acceptance. Give me an hour or two to finish reading, please? (Deadline seems to be 6+ days.)

You don't get it dude.

I'm not talking about his alignment.

[House]

So I caught up after doing some activities, and all I see is this derpafuck hammer.
Dafuq are you doing Boonie? Moving from one wagon to another just to hammer is scummy.

We have six more days!

I have a daycop innocent on this player.

She's confirmed town.

Notice, Kitz

IS CONFIRMED TOWN

.

K? So now you guys know what my 4th ability was.

[House]

Why did you target Kitz?

ISO me. I pretty much made it clear why I'd target Kitz with any investigative ability.

[House]

Somebody point me somewhere.

I still think we need to lynch from our hood.

What are your thoughts on kitz and egg?

I have to resist the urge to lynch Kitz because... I always want to lynch Kitz.

Egg is an asset when he's town, so I don't want to paranoia lynch there.

Ohai, here it is.

[House]

I thought you had checked Ozgin, still would have pushed without the check but when you mentioned the 4th ability and jumped to Ozgin....

Nope, just supporting your read because I don't do that enough.

[House]

Dragon/House/Silverwolf/Aneninen/Egg are all town.

You think I'm lying about my daycop result, but you're calling me town?

I get that you're confirmed town, but that thought process is EWW.

[House]

Oh, sweet. Game started. I skimmed real fast. Like real fast. Sup, dragon, how you doin'? Eh, house and Bookitty probably scum again.

VOTE: bookitty

Was it coincidence that in the post you call a crumb, you mentioned two of dragonspawn's neighbors and voted one?

Complete coincidence. House and Bookitty were scum together I played recently. I was the only one calling them out. They won.

For the record, those were good times.

Also, T S O was scum too. He's here as well, Boon.

DUM DUM DUMMMMMM!

[House]

I have a daycop innocent on this player.

She's confirmed town.

Wat.

^ Scumclaim.

I totes lied about the daycop result.

Lynch this shit with fire tomorrow.

If I'm dead, lynch it twice and spread my ashes over it.

[House]

There are reasons why I want to throttle you in every game House. You just landed on one.

Why would town!Anybody question an innocent result on them?

[House]

Still the faking is annoying on a personal level.

Because

you

never

lie, amirite?

[House]

Still the faking is annoying on a personal level.

Because

you

never

lie, amirite?

I do lie but seldomly as it throws people off. You lie very frequently. Lying should be used sparingly. Then, when you refuse to do smart things... :S

But us squabbling is not helpful. We should pressure Kitz to see if she actually has the reason why she could be town.

You should be able to think about this and get the result.

I had already come to that conclusion, and it's not terribly complex.

[House]

Yeah, I'm in Neighbourhood with them. I can confirm that House is playing the pronoun game.

WTF is the pronoun game?

[House]

Central Hood:
Wake, Dragonspawn, Bookitty, Kitz, Egg

Bastion Hood:
Varsoon, Cheetory, Drixx, TSO

Content to add Drixx and TSO to the not Varsoon buddies you listed Egg.

VOTE: Kitz

Your turn House. You gets sheep's.

Baaaah

VOTE: Kitz

[House]

It occurs to me with the last comment that one mafia team had doc protection as a possibility. It seems logical that the other team would too.

Perhaps I jumped the gun on assuming it was good for town that we only had one kill. Because maybe the scum were protected by their doc or worse by a town doc if there is one.

It's quite likely the missing kill was me.

My 4th ability was commuter, which I used last night.

[House]

n post 1790, Kitz wrote:
Titus' tunneling, asking House to sheep and House not even agreeing to the SW thing in neig

In the neighborhood, I said it's almost as futile for me to read you as it is for you to read me.

There was no "protective" bullshit that Kitz is spewing. She's being lying scum.

[House]

I am a little partial to solving why a guy who wants to be known as Boring Frozen Water would sing " Frozen water infant" over and over again, rather than solving who was night killed.

Under Pressure?

I am so confused.

Between the two of them, House looks a lot more scummy than Kitz. I mean, House is lying and throwing as much confusion as he possibly can into the game, and then in that process claims to be a day cop and have an innocent on Kitz. I'm not sure that "wat" is much different than my response would be given the context. It's maybe a slight scum tell, but it just makes me take notice and want to pay a little more attention to Kitz at the moment.

What confuses me is why House isn't a much larger focus at the moment, given his ISO.

PLOT TWIST: House and Kitz are scumbuddies!

Yes, the guy that fakeclaimed daycop, outed Kitz!scum, and is currently voting her is actually her scumbuddy.

You're... special.

[House]

In the neighborhood, I said it's almost as futile for me to read you as it is for you to read me.

There was no "protective" bullshit that Kitz is spewing. She's being lying scum.

You wrote that it was futile to read SW, one way or another, with not even a single input on the thoughts of what you were asked about.
"trying to read SW is about as futile as her trying to read me"...

So "Her" being me, Kitz,

but you still wrote that reading SW is futile.

How about you stop making dumbass assumptions?

Her, being Silverwolf.

She can't read me for shit, and I can't read her for shit.

Context, do you have it? NOW YOU DO!

[House]

In the neighborhood, I said it's almost as futile for me to read you as it is for you to read me.

There was no "protective" bullshit that Kitz is spewing. She's being lying scum.

Who else is in your hood again? If they can confirm Kitz is lying, then I'm fine voting for her. Fabricating reads is scummy as shit.

House

dragonspawn

Egg

Kitz

Bookitty

Kitz is claiming I protected you based on post 102 in the hood. Please ask dragonspawn, egg, and Bookitty if what I said in that post is even remotely protective by any stretch of the imagination.

[House]

House, Kitz is scum. I agree. So is RC.

I like BooKitty as town though and Egg as scum picking between the other two.

Then help me get the scum outta my hood, Miss ladyfriend.

[House]

Too late, scum. I'm pretty sure everybody else knew exactly what I meant, as SilverWolf was the topic of conversation.

NOT YOU.

There is zero reason to believe I was talking about you on any level when I was being asked about SilverWolf.

FAIL EXCUSE IS FAIL.

Lynch Kitz with fire.

[House]

Because I'm a complete fucktard and misread something, I won't bother House/Titus/SW and I'll just ignore them for the moment.

Also a possibility that Blue team kills odd nights, Red kills evens.

Moving my vote, for this reason.
This is Informative, how does one know that one is Blue?

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

Red/Blue are common terms being used to denote competing teams, aren't they?

Riddle me this, what other terms would have been more townie to make the same point?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not townreading them... I just think the red/blue thing is a red herring.

[House]

Too late, scum. I'm pretty sure everybody else knew exactly what I meant, as SilverWolf was the topic of conversation.

NOT YOU.

You're the one who keeps saying you can't read me, so I assumed it was me as a reference.
Anyway, I'm pondering if I should just resign, because my ability of English is so bad it leads to me getting the center of attention in Every Single Game.

Care to explain how I protected SilverWolf? Because I'm still not seeing how you pulled that out of thin air, even if you are telling the truth about thinking I was referring to you by "her".

Stating I protected SilverWolf by saying I couldn't read you makes no more sense than saying I was protecting her by saying I couldn't read her. Or any less sense.

The conclusion does not follow.

[House]

@House, let's force scum to lynch scum or scum claim. After all, you didn't commute but a doctor healed you and you will be commuting tonight right? (Town motivated wifom)

Kitz and RC, it should not matter as both are scum.


Blue is just as common as any other color to describe a second scum team. Orange is another. Blue is very particular and off.

Nope, I commuted. It was 1-shot.

I'm ripe for the kill now unless the doctor sees fit to target me, which I doubt with a scum JoaT flip.

I want Kitz dead first because I am sold on her being scum based on her lie about me protecting SilverWolf in the neighborhood. There was absolutely zero town motivation to make that statement to discredit me. ZERO.

[House]

Care to explain how I protected SilverWolf? Because I'm still not seeing how you pulled that out of thin air, even if you are telling the truth about thinking I was referring to you by "her".

Stating I protected SilverWolf by saying I couldn't read you makes no more sense than saying I was protecting her by saying I couldn't read her. Or any less sense.

The conclusion does not follow.

Because you didn't say anything further on the case. Presented quotes, that something's weird, then you're asked about it, and all you give is that you can't give a player read and that's about it?

I would've given a read about the quotes, and why they stand out so much, before commentating if it's adequate scummy or not.
Considering you're one of the experienced players, that struck me as odd.

That I think is scummy. Sue me.

Quotes?

Quotes, you say?

Here's a list of the posts I've quoted in the hood, along with who made the posts I quoted:

10 - Egg
29 - Bookitty
59 - dragonspawn
66 - dragonspawn
72 - Egg
73 - Bookitty
75 - Bookitty
77 - dragonspawn
89 - Bookitty
90 - Bookitty
93 - Bookitty

123 - dragonspawn
124 - dragonspawn


---

How many posts made by SilverWolf did I quote in the hood?

Zero.

Another Kitz!scum lie.

[House]

Another Kitz!scum lie.

Fuck off.

CW #99, #100 (quotes), #101 (asks house), #102 (house reply)

99 is by dragonspawn & contains no quotes.
100 is by EGG. NOT ME.

Another Kitz!scum lie confirmed.

[House]

99 is by dragonspawn & contains no quotes.
100 is by EGG. NOT ME.

Another Kitz!scum lie confirmed.

I didn't say Dragonspawn has any quotes, hence the LACK OF A FUCKING (quote)

I also did not say that House was the one quoting. FFS.

So you're saying I was protecting SilverWolf based on posts Egg made?

Yeah, that makes complete sense!

[House]

You two. 1875. Now.

Don't ask us. Ask dragonspawn, Egg, and Bookitty.

Duh.

[House]

That's a slot I'd be willing to lynch.

How about no?

[House]

Why would you vote Kitz?

Because she questioned a cop Inno on her.

to be honest, i see that as a town tell more than a scum tell. Scum would never question it.

And her blatant lies about my neighborhood posts in order to discredit me? Is that also town behavior?

[House]

VOTE: laladucks

I just don’t see a better candidate at this time.

Kitz.

Kitz is the better choice.

[House]

kitz is just being kitz.

No, she's not.

She's usually difficult to understand, but she doesn't outright lie as town.

[House]

Would you pricks stop roleblocking me?

I tried to gunsmith Kitz.

[House]

Would you pricks stop roleblocking me?

I tried to gunsmith Kitz.

VOTE: house

you slipped bro.

you claimed you commuted yesterday. So how can they role block you again?

Check your reading comprehension skills, genius. I committed N1. I smithed Kitz N2.

I love that I make you paranoid, though.

[House]

Committed = commuted

[House]

I was all set to vote lalaladucks today while waiting for the titus flip, but with her flipping SK I'm not sure lalala is the best choice.

I think Dragon has a good point on House.

Then you're an idiot.

[House]

@House-you need to explain yourself and engage in the game. What did you mean when you said will you pricks stop roleblocking me because it looks like you are saying you were roleblocked more than once. That's pretty much impossible if you commuted N1.

You're being as dense as dragon.

If something happened, even if it's one fucking time, and I don't want it to happen anymore, I'll ask you to please stop doing it.

What kind of fucked up morality issues de you people have if you think "Please stop doing that" requires more than one transgression?

<Man sexually assaults woman>
Woman: Please stop doing that!
Man: You can't say that yet!
Woman: Oh, sorry...
<Man sexually assaults woman again>
Man:

NOW YOU CAN SAY THAT!

[House]

Oy house.
Can you like.
Respond to dragon's 'slip' on you?

Yeah: He's an idiot.

Next?

[House]

I agree with you in principle but I don't like your response because I don't see how it's a morality issue at all as opposed to an issue of logic.

IT IS AN EXAMPLE THAT ILLUSTRATES THAT IT DOES NOT TAKE MORE THAN ONE FUCKING OFFENSE FOR SOMEBODY TO SAY STOP YOU BUFFOON.

[House]

Oh wait I understand.
That explanation just kind of sucks.
You surely understand why Dragon thinks that was a slip and I don't think he's dumb for it.

Obviously I don't.

dragon is a lawyer, so I put the explanation into terms that he would understand.

[House]

House-is it at all possible for you to address questions without insinuating I'm dense or an idiot?

Is it at all possible for you to not swallow the flimsiest assertions against me without thinking them through first?

[House]

SilverWolf, I don't think you're dense at all.

In fact, I'd say you're at least 99.999% empty space.

Dude that's just fucked up.

I don't see where you get off making hat post at all.

[House]

SilverWolf, I don't think you're dense at all.

In fact, I'd say you're at least 99.999% empty space.

I mean seriously, you swallowed the cowshit without even asking me about it, and you have the gall to criticize

her

?

Piss off, mate.

[House]

Okay, so, here's the issue, House.
Dragon says "how can you be roleblocked again?"
You say "I commuted N1 and gunsmithed Kitz N2".
Silver says "that doesn't answer the question, how were you roleblocked

again

?"
You say "even if it's once I can still be upset about it like I was".
So, the issue here is.. why wasn't that your immediate answer to Dragon instead of that roundabout answer? If anything it looks like you stalled answering.

P-Edit: Got some clever shit happening in this game. Wowee.

If something bad happens ONE time and you don't want it to happen a SECOND time, what do you ask?

Thing long and hard about this answer.

[House]

It wasn't stalling, it was disbelief that a lawyer could be so damned dumb.

[House]

SilverWolf, I don't think you're dense at all.

In fact, I'd say you're at least 99.999% empty space.

I mean seriously, you swallowed the cowshit without even asking me about it, and you have the gall to criticize

her

?

Piss off, mate.

What are you even saying right now?

I'm saying you're a hypocrite.

[House]

This is feigned outrage.

VOTE: House

Fucking sure it is.

VOTE: House

Lynch the asshole. I don't want to bother playing this game if you fucks want to swallow such idiotic bullshit.

[House]

That's not how you'd react if you thought I was a hypocrite.

You don't know me, stop pretending like you do.

In fact, you put up your shitty vote, so stop fucking talking to me at all.

[House]

I don't really consort with my scumreads, so you don't need to worry about that.

Yet here you are still addressing me.

STOP!

What part of "leave me the fuck alone" is too hard for you to understand?

[House]

If somebody could day vig my ass, that'd be awesome.

I'm tired of putting up with this raging douchebag.

[House]

Are you mad at me too House?
I just want to understand you.
That's all.

If you're a day vig that will shoot me if I say yes: Yes.

If you're not, no. You're not a hypocrite about it.

[House]

I find the reaction from house more interesting than the original statement.

I mean doesn't house do outrageous things to see the reactions? And yet he is surprised at a reasonable interpretation of what he said.

rc stop with the crap

I obviously disagree with your opinion of your "interpretation" being reasonable.

If I stab you with a knife, would you wait for me to stab you a second time to ask me to stop?

[House]

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

For being an instigating scumbum.

[House]

And if you clowns lynch me today, turbolynch his ass tomorrow because I'm flipping green.

[House]

Is RC scummy or just a jerk?

Nah, it's scummy.

His instigation went well beyond trying to read me. A jerk would have just gotten his read and placed his vote. RC is pushing my buttons after the fact to keep me going.

[House]

Oh fucking hell I just compared with his scumgame

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p6374053

VOTE: Cheetory6

Neutral tone out the fucking ass on all his posts. Not at all like his town game where he gets worked up.

House can wait, because he might just be an irrational sack.

^ Scumposting.

Cheetory was NOT neutral in that game. I should know, I was in it too.

[House]

I mean, yeah.
You weren't really a jerk to House.
You were kind of a jerk to Silver though.
:/

And which reaction?

its being a jerk to wolf that has house and I pissed

That's what got me pissed originally. Now he's just being a jerk period.

[House]

Get over yourself, Drixx.

You're neither cute nor clever.

And you had better not be scum, because that would be a modkillable offense, attempting to manipulate the mod to further your win con.

[House]

@Mod - I request that you force replace House from this game. He is browbeating people, has had constant drama with SilverWolf that he instigates, called her "as dense as Dragonspawn" which was clearly an attack calling her stupid, and then when someone else came along to try and defuse the situation by telling SW that she wasn't Dense {Read: Stupid} and used a physics joke to try and cut the tension, House instigated by pretending that he had no idea it was a reference to Junior High School level scientific knowledge and continued to wind up and instigate more drama. I think if you just sub House out, the drama he's instigating should simply subside.

@mod-Please ignore this request to remove House from the game. It is not necessary. Thank You.

You don't have the right to cancel out a request I make of the mod.

Considering the post you take umbrage to was directed towards her, I'd say she has more say in the matter than you do.

[House]

@ SilverWolf: For what it's worth, I do apologize for that post. It was rude and completely uncalled for.

[House]

Nah, I could see this as ScumDelta. RC to House is more town/town then House/Drixx. But that doesn't confirm alignments because multiball.

Good man, drop that vote where it belongs.

[House]

Oh ... and all of this drama and such magically appeared right when House was being pressured over a slip. That doesn't seem like it's a coincidence, do you think?

All of this drama and bullshit appeared BECAUSE OF YOU and YOU ARE CONTINUING THE BULLSHIT.

Fucknig die, scum.

[House]

How do people that look for opportunistic tells not see Drixx's behavior as scummy as shit?

he made an ambiguous joke that could easily be taken out of context, then when it was he attacked the ones that did so.

Hell, he feigned more outrage about the person I insulted than the person that I actually insulted!

HELLO?!?!?! Wake up, people!

He just wanted towncred for looking like he wanted to get rid of a malcontent, and I absolutely believe he is scum.

[House]

My bad, I got RadiantCowbells & Drixx mixed up.

Drixx, stop dredging up dead shit.

[House]

lala, I'll let you live today if you buss RC.

[House]

House, who the hell are you actually scumreading and why?

Aside from obvscum RC?

I don't even know anymore.

Lynch the trashscum and I'll sheep your reads because idgaf anymore.

[House]

Actually, I'm considering Cheetory scum, but I'm not quite ready to pull the trigger on that read just yet.

[House]

Yeah, I can vote there.

VOTE: Cheetory

[House]

House, who the hell are you actually scumreading and why?

Aside from obvscum RC?

I don't even know anymore.

Lynch the trashscum and I'll sheep your reads because idgaf anymore.

OK, but why is RC scum? I feel like you were confusing him and Drixx back there.

Try and keep up, will ya?

[House]

@SilverWolf: Read the interactions between RC and Cheetory as well as the way Cheeto is posting in defense of RC.

I don't see how their interactions are tvt. At LEAST one of them is scum, with a chance that RC is doing a distancing dance with Cheeto defending him to support his push on me (admittedly less likely, but possible).

Between the two, Cheetory actually seems scummier, although I disagree with RC's "neutral posts" push, which is why he remains a possibility as scum in my book - he had to fabricate an excuse to vote his scum buddy (if he's scum).

[House]

BBQ is cancelled because of bad weather. I am sad. Going to actually try rereading things.

House.
If your push on RC was anything short of garbage, I wouldn't say anything. But it was.
He made a joke.
People misconstrued it.
Once it was obvious that it was a joke that wasn't even meant to be mean you still continued to push it as though it wasn't obviously not malicious.
Is that me defending him or me saying that you're being a dufus right now?
Tell me all about it.

I already did, scroll up and replace Drixx w/ RC.

And you completely dismiss the fact that he fabricated a case on you by deliberately misrepresenting your play in a previous game as an excuse to push you.

Tell me all about it.

[House]

RC's push on you wasn't a mistake. It was a fabrication.

You were not even close to being neutral in that game, by any stretch of the imagination.

He straight up pulled that shit out of his ass.

Yet you aren't riding his ass on that slimy push, when you are giving me shit because I went to school before they taught physics in grade school?

Fuck off, mate.

[House]

I would be being louder about RC being wrong about me if he was still trying to push it, but he's not. So what's the point?

So you only care when it's your own neck on the line?

Yeah, that doesn't sound scummy at all.

PS: Last I checked, RC was still voting you, so that excuse falls flat on its face at every level.

[House]

Is he? I thought he changed votes.
And nah. It's just any push that I perceive as being bad that's continuing being pushed I will be loud about it.
Like I was with Ozgin.
Bae you can think I'm scummy, but you're not going to logic a scumread onto me like this. It's just not gonna happen.

Ooh, you white knighted! I WAS SO WRONG!

[House]

Oh wait you are voting for me still.
Huh.

Yeah. He is. And you wonder why I'm calling shenanigans on your defense?

[House]

I mean. I don't fact-check shit in general. This isn't really a new thing.
Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to actually try to be productive instead of engaging with the buffoonery here.

If you want to be productive, vote RC & convince me that you're not scum with him.

[House]

Hah, I'm convinced that Cheeto & RC are scum together.

[House]

That's because idgaf if I'm lynched.

When I flip green, town will know I'm not being a manipulative scumfuck and will hopefully pull their heads out of their asses and lynch you two.

[House]

And if I flip green will you grow a pair and actually come to terms with your fuck-ups?
Or are you going to just continually pretend like you're a genius who can't make mistakes?

"If"?

Not "When"?

Another slip.

[House]

If caught in a slip: entrench.

Scum101.

You should know that I know that, Cheetory.

[House]

I'm still waiting for that promise.
Like seriously. I will selfvote if you promise that you'll not be a fucking coward if you're town and you're being a fucking idiot here and you simply admit that you being wrong here means that you're an arrogant ass.

I'm always an arrogant ass, that doesn't change the fact you're scum.

[House]

House: If you are so dead-set on lynching RC, why is your vote on Cheeto? With, I might add, RC?

These things do not seem to be like the other.

I can tell you're not paying very close attention to the thread.

2232.

[House]

I like the inherent oxymoron.
"I'm an arrogant ass but I refuse to acknowledge that I might be being an arrogant ass here"
You should sig that shit.

VOTE: Bookitty

Who said I was refusing anything?

Google the word "always" and get back to me on how stupid your post was.

[House]

Being an arrogant ass does not mean I'm not absolutely, 100%, right about you being scum.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

It just means that you're scum, and I'm an arrogant ass.

[House]

I know Boon, everyone plays it differently, I was just thinking of how newbscum are more likely to behave in this situation.

RC-You re-voting for House and declaring him scum, isn't going to make me more likely to consider your case. I mean first you said you didn't want to lynch him over setup spec, then you said his outrage over your joke to me was feigned (knowing House, it wasn't), then you switched to Cheetory for being too neutral during that whole argument, you pulled a scumgame to say he was neutral there but he wasn't so that point was out the window, then said you'd lynch House due to his behavior and you don't like how people are walking on eggshells around him (I don't really see this anywhere BTW), then suddenly asked Cheetory to help you lynch the other faction (in your words) even though you were voting Cheetory at the time, then changed to House again, then said he was acting irrational to keep from being suspected (which I don't really get), then said you'd be happy to PL Prolapsed after he voted you. Then re-voted House again for lulz I guess.

This just really doesn't do it for me. I work better with logic, analysis and well reasoned arguments. It's why I asked you to elaborate on how House and Cheetory are scum on opposite factions. It didn't make sense to me. I mean, first of all, Cheetory was not neutral in that scum game you pulled and he wasn't in his last scum game in 180 so I'm not seeing that at all. I am actually townreading Cheetory because of his approach to this game is exactly the way I like to do it and seems more town oriented plus he makes sense with his Bookitty suspicions and is actively trying to engage people and move the game forward. His approach is far more likely to catch scum than people pointing their fingers and yelling scum at each other.

House's behavior is not alignment indicative for him. I don't vote for people on personality. That's null. His claim is likely protown. And other than that, what is there really? I'm not really seeing a reason why he is scum.

Let's just give it a rest right now then in postgame you can note that I was right and then never follow my vote in then ext game we play together.

^ Scumposting.

If she admitted you were right (which she won't because you're simply not), why would she "never follow your vote in the next game you play together"?

That shit makes no sense.

[House]

I think House might be town for my own reasons.

What are those reasons, Wolfie?

You are always chomping at the bit to lynch me regardless of my alignment and I have to fight tooth and nail to convince you I'm town all the way to (and through) LYLO.

The only game we've been in together where you defended me as a townread and weren't constantly picking at me to confirm your read, you were scum.

[House]

I do feel a lot better, but House has basically disappeared since then and basically ignored me and refused to agree that we both probably overreacted and that we should move on.

You will probably be waiting a long time for this..................................................

She knows what she's talking about.

That's also why she's one of (very few) people on these sites that I'm likely to apologize to.

[House]

@Kitz-Who are you scumreading right now and why aren't you voting?

I'm always slow / reserving on votes, but yeah, I'll vote for someone I personally think needs a vote.

As for who's scummy, well.
Prolapsed Brain is a big, red button. Read his ISO, this is overal anti-game, unattentative, sheepish and fluff, lack of actual contribution.
Lala pings me really high too, for the not-much-care attitude and several other things which is made obvious by now.
Kitty is also among there, for the obvious points of mindset and play, as well as the whole "Mislynch town" thingie and "Why should I care".
Skybird pings me slightly, recently going all neutral and careful, while going for an obvious target in the same mindset.

Boonskies pings lightly, but otherwise a mix-read. Dragon is a town-lean/null. Everyone says BestFriend, but I dunno, no actual evidence yet.
Radiant reads as a "fucking troll", so mix-read.
House is null due to my mixed reads on him, but there's a townlean due to the claim and claimed actions.

Personally I read Cheetory and Anenin as town.

The rest is null. Anyway, voting PB because, god damnit, those reasons.
VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

Oh, btw, House, I will totally vote Kitz with you now after this dumb scumclaiming of a post.

Deal.

VOTE: Kitz

[House]

Nevermind RC. You suggested that in response to Bookitty wondering why she got no result on me N1. Bookitty's result has me wondering though. I did performa an action N1. I targeted house and received No Result. I double checked this with the mod to ensure I was interpreting the result correctly. I am, and that means I was roleblocked N1. Bookitty is basically claiming she was roleblocked as well. What are the chances that we were both roleblocked on N1? I think Bookitty's claim on me is false.

I didn't do anything N1. What is your role, again?

[House]

You said you commuted N1?
What?

Yes, I did.

Sorry, I forgot. It's been a bit.

[House]

How can you forget this? Why are you barely here and paying attention to this game House?

Think about the questions, and think about my preferences.

Am I more likely to be apathetic/inattentive as town or scum?

You know me.

[House]

Are you more likely to be obsessed with your alignment as town, or as scum, House?

Never thought about it. Feel free to metadive me.

[House]

Are you more likely to be obsessed with your alignment as town, or as scum, House?

Come to think of it, your question is disingenuous.

I don't rightly give a damn what most people think. I just think Wolfie should be able to figure out the answer to her own questions due to her familiarity with my play, even with her paranoia.

[House]

I already have, and you're scum. But that's generally applicable, not just you.

Generally applicable, huh? What's generally applicable doesn't really apply to me.

I'm not your typical player.

[House]

FA is losing townpoints for being brash and argumentative.

Is brash and argumentative more or less likely to draw attention to oneself?

Does scum want to draw attention to themselves?

Does brash and argumentative really seem scummy? Why?

[House]

VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

Because potato.

[House]

Can we please fucking lynch Cheetory already?

2685 is scum as shit.

[House]

Not buying the AtE.

VOTE: Cheetory6

[House]

I know. I rock.

[House]

Actually, I think you're PB's buddy, trying to derail his wagon because you don't think you'll be lynched.

I'm happy with seeing either one of you dead.

[House]

Reading through House makes me want to vote him. He's not giving much by way of reads and it appears to me that he's stirring up drama instead of trying to figure out who's scum.

So?

[House]

@Skybird:

If you're town... consider, when have I ever played this way as scum? Feel free to metadive me.

When have I played this way as town? I don't think you'll need to metadive me.

Now stop being disingenuous and get back to finding the real scum. SOMEBODY should.