New York 185: Freshwater Frenzy!

[Kitz]

/Confirm.

[Kitz]

wellf-ck.

I hate when someone censors fuck half-arsed.

VOTE: Aeronaut
Help me kill this guy.

Deja freaking vu.

---

Let's hope we don't get mindfucked in this setup.

[Kitz]

Just make sure you cook it first.

Make it scrambled, plz.

[Kitz]

Big Fat Finger of Suspicion: Kitz and Silverwolf

Why the two of us?
Oh let me guess. "Le silver furries".

[Kitz]

I told you.

Babyeaters.

SMH.

[Kitz]

How do you know Egg is unfertilised?

Wait. I don't want to know, actually.

You remove the important element.

[Kitz]

So what's 14:3:3:1?

[Kitz]

Hmm, it says that it

does

include two non-normal roles. Better not be another mass murderer.

Oh well. Too early to speculate.
VOTE: Boonskiies

[Kitz]

Oh yeah, totally. With 14 KPN and all.

[Kitz]

So do you think House is scum this game?

Is that like a fad here?

[Kitz]

Gotta love them tasty timezones. Can't just summon everyone to be online simultaneously.

[Kitz]

How's it going, shmucks?

You misspelled "schmuck".
Doing fine.

[Kitz]

Do you want me to bullshit some reasons?
*ahem*

Just go with "Cassandra Truth".

[Kitz]

Also, I have no idea what a Cassandra Truth is Kitz. You'll have to forgive me/possibly explain it to me.

Go to TV Tropes if you want to kill yourself by 841 hours of constant reading.

Cassandra Truth :

Spoiler:

"Sometimes people just won't believe you.

You try your hardest to tell someone that your parents are actually super villains and that you need their help to bring them down, or that aliens have landed in your backyard and are now plundering your kitchen, or that the nice grandpa in the flat above you is in fact an evil bloodthirsty creature from another dimension, but the authorities look at you like you are crazy and send you packing. What's a lone protagonist to do? "

[Kitz]

I'm being serious about a vote on Skybird in many ways though.

Elaborate on the ways. Can't be taken serious if there's some holes of unseriousness.

[Kitz]

Hi Kitz. How much do you like RVS?
How long do you want to stay in it?

Skybird came in, said a single thing, made a complete jokevote with no momentum on it and pced.
Let's get them talking and let's move the conversation in the direction of something productive.
Boom.
Sheep the vote or make a better one.

A. RVS is stupid, soooo, dislike.
B. Zero quantoseconds.
C. Better vote on Boonski. Dat ISO

[Kitz]

I wanna see House post some. He's kinda supposed to be around methinks.
He'll probably make a post that make half the players gain a whiplash.

VOTE: House

[Kitz]

So what's 14:3:3:1?

This post makes me go hmmm. How many games have you played Kitz?

Less than 5 on MS I'm sure. Heya.

---

Maybe I just have reasons too?

[Kitz]

Kitz, from your join date I would have thought that you knew what that meant. Just trying to figure out if you are scum trying to drop a fake towntell.

I'm a nawb with my head in the clouds sometimes. Not really a town or scum tell in any way.

Also my name is Kit so when people talk about Kit I double take.

Hey Kit, I'm Kitz.

[Kitz]

I was in this game. It just finished.

And we all are traumatized, full-fledged mafia veterans after that mess.

[Kitz]

Kitz you make a comment on the setup like you know what it is. Then you come back with post 49. Can you explain this for me?

180 was a freaking nightmare, quite a lot of players here was in it so a subtle reference.

[Kitz]

That baby could grow up to be a terrorist. And terrorists are dangerous. By your logic, you'd be inclined to murder your baby because he could become dangerous.

Fearmonger of the year.

[Kitz]

A lot of Kitz's posts so far seem pretty fluffy, I can't get an accurate read - especially from her

Deja vu. This happens a lot. I'm hard to read.

[Kitz]

I'm going to bed,

Hmm, thanks for reminding me.
Damnit, 3 half past midnight.

Guess I'll get some shuteye too.

[Kitz]

This game is heating up, and I kinda like it. This is the most excited I've been ever to play a normal game as a citizen.

Scummy to claim VT / Citizen this early in any context.

You wanna talk rhetoric, I think it's awkward that you're referring to yourself as a citizen rather than town.
In most games, you're gonna be town. In this game specifically, you'd be a citizen if you were town-aligned.
So this speaks towards specific attention payed towards a claimed alignment flavor.
Which, to me, feels stilted, like you double-checked the OP to make sure you were calling yourself the right thing.

I catch this as quite scummy. TLDR : "You claim Citizen. Citizen is not normal. You have to read the setup to read it. Thus, scum."
Why is it scummy to claim Citizen based on the flavor, leading to someone having read the setup multiple times for accuracy?
It's actually quite obvious. I feel you're pulling this one from nowhere.
Yes, the claim itself is scummy, but this made no sense in my eyes. Am I catching you for not reading the setup, hmm?


1. Role PM's include flavor.

2. This quote. It encourages to actually read the rules not only once, but twice.

Please read these rules one more time.

Especially

Miscellaneous.

3. This sample.

Sample Role PM:

Citizen

Welcome,

[Player Name]

. You are a

Citizen

.

Abilities:

Your weapons are your voice and your vote. You have no night actions.

Win condition:

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

[/area]

4. It's in the Rules, bolded.

'Citizen' will be used in place of 'Vanilla Townie.'

[Kitz]

As for the discussions...
Imagine having a baby. It is the most beautiful baby that you could imagine. It grew up to be the most gentle, beautiful and pretty person. All thanks to you, for being such a great parrent.

#end

[Kitz]

Kitz are you scum?

I mean, that was a wonderful story and all, but...

If I say no, will you say I'm scum for saying obv-no?
If I say yes, will you tunnel me all the way to planet jupiter?

[Kitz]

suss

Is that another of those fancy acronyms that's not part of the acronym list?

[Kitz]

Oh, nope just short for suspicious :S

I'm yet to be in a game I'm not called out suspicious.

[Kitz]

So, have you got any scumspects, Kitz?

House could've posted more.
Went silent for so long, then suddenly posted with just a prolong, saying the game should start now, and back to the lurkz.

Waiting on Boonski's "real read" thingie.

Prolapse is weird. Says to find scum, doesn't really do anything.

#All that hasn't posted yet.

[Kitz]

Oh look, this is a new one. Part of the reason to vote me is because of emoticons. No, I'm not trying to discourage questions or conversation. I'm weird, so don't interpret the smiley as a reason for so.

[Kitz]

In my "defense", I can say that setup speculation, answering random questions, and "fluff" is normal for me day one.
The others who played with me knows this, because I multiple times became center of attention lel. It just keeps repeating, funny.

[Kitz]

Kitz what do you think about Ozgin, Lala, and Titus?

Ozgin seems to cut the wrong weeds with his selective charisma. But other than that, I think it's suspicious the way he makes a scene about "Citizen" this early. In fact if that's the reality, Scum just got -1 out of "process of elemination" list for PR and the opposing scum.
Citizen are supposed to be the meatshields, in a sense.

Lala is weird, but I find this odd.

Spoiler:

VOTE: House
Avatar easy to confuse with mod's.
Also probs scum.

Okay, but I'm gonna keep my vote there until he arrives ^~^

Eh, why not?

VOTE: Ozgin

Changes votes. It's probably just RVS, but who knows.

hink Ozgin is actually tryhard town despite his weird little inconsistencies mentioned while House is obvscum - how about we lynch him?
VOTE: House

Goes back to House.

House, you have to read those 11 pages sometime, they're filled with *majestic sparkly sorcery*

This is the only response after House comes back. Later on, doesn't call out on the single-post, keeps the vote and doesn't vote another.

Titus is a null-lean with a slight town influence regarding the argument of Citizen claim by Ozgin, that she thinks he's scum.
However, I'd like to poke on the statement of "I expect everyone to be scumhunting."
The stance on House is also a bit questioning.

[Kitz]

Bleh. I dislike that she's agreeing that RVS is dumb while sitting on a 100% RVS vote on someone who hasn't even posted a single time at the time of this post. I think I find it more annoying from a playstyle kind of manner and am not really feeling anything from it in terms of alignment.

I don't really consider it RVS.

@Kitz, talk to me about why you like your Housevote. Why is it better than an Ozginvote or a ProlapsedBrainvote?

Le reasons. Altho, serious.

@Kit, did you ever answer how you thought this setup could be a mindful yet not understand 14:3:3:1?

Nope. I didn't answer. I'm a bit arrogant and didn't read multi-ball. Got a bit confused and just wanted to be sure, one of the reasons being that there's 1 more than 20 making it 21, another being thinking it could be mason. Feel free to call me stupid.

In multiball with daytalk, I feel like Sky could have posted in a scum QT something like, "Hey lets go after House" and Kitz (and/or lala) could have been like, "K" and then just hopped on for no reason.

This logic. Oooh man. Lala is totally my scum mate and we're sooo fierce.
FYI, "for no reason" is just horrible. Shame on you~

[Kitz]

Your Boon vote wasn't RVS?

I misread, thought it was about House and didn't even read my own quote there.
Yepp, Boon is RVS.

[Kitz]

Kitz, what do you think about Houses entrance into this game? I mean, his last few posts?

As I expect from House. Null to townlean.

#Players : I'm high on the scumspect list and I see a lack of votes. I find that most curious.
Confused. How is 14:3:3:1 a "fake townslip"? I could have asked that in any position. Scum, 3P, Town, doesn't really matter. Never been in a multiball and I'm way used to round numbers.
If I'm that scummy, just make a case instead of that passive-aggression.

I really like this post in #415, so I'll vote Ozgin.
VOTE: Ozgin

[Kitz]

Kitz, to me your explanations for 14:3:3:1 are not convincing.

What's the motivation to fake being dumb on this particular matter regardless of faction?

[Kitz]

The motivation is to appear to town by not knowing how many factions are involved in the game. At best you didn't read the rules because it clearly states: Scum win when their numbers equal or exceed that of the Town's, and all enemy anti-Town factions are dead.

Oh, it's on General Rules. Had to do a Ctrl+F to find it.
Would have thought it was on Setup. General Rules should just be all those "don't break these things" thingies. Would've asked anyway, "enemy anti-Town factions" could've been cult or 3P or whatever.

[Kitz]

I don't want to sound biased, but I'm scumleaning on those who are scumreading me by pulling of their behind that the 14:3:3:1 thing is a "fake townslip" or a "scumtell", and spite being explained, you continue to milk this as a scum motivation. There's the players who also sheep on this particular thing. This makes me just see players who are desperate.
There's no other reasons that I read that are scummy about myself, so yeah, I bias myself on that these players are just scummy.

What is even Towny about this anyway? Can someone tell me? No? Then why was it even done as an attempt of a fake townslip?
The only thing I can really think of is faking looking inexperienced. I didn't read "Multiball" in Setup, and I skipped over that thing in General Rules which imo should've been in Setup (because rules should be followed and not broken, so imo wrong placement of text). Sue me.

Because of that, I'm growing apathetic and silent because, let's be honest, it's rather discouraging that in every game I've been in, players has picked at least 1 something and just tunneled on this particular thing.

Honest question, what can you expect more pressure on me on this stupid matter? Force me to elaborate that I infact am stupid and didn't read things proper? The only thing I can see from pressure is just a bull excuse to put me close to a lynch, or force me to claim a role, even though everyone cries that there's other scummy players. Well done.

Rant over.

[Kitz]

@Kitz:
Well, let's say you roll Serial Killer or a scum-team (which I assume are told in their role PM that their wincon is to destroy the other scum factions).
In confirming that you've read your role PM, you're saying that you acknowledge that information.
So, by you not knowing this is multiball, you may be very well townslipping, since the town role PM win-con only says 'when all threats to town have been eliminated.'
I don't put a ton of stock in that, but does that make sense?

That makes sense, however, what about the "their wincon is to destroy the other scum factions"? I'd imagine that SK should just say "Be the last alive and eleminate everyone else", and Mafia being "eleminate everyone else and have at least 1 mafia alive", so this assumption is basically hypothetical. It could even just be "Eleminate the threat of X faction".

Depending on the flavor, the slip might just as well be universal.

TSO for now being much of a presence AND slapping a naked vote onto the Ozgin Wagon (Needs pressure, really)

Yeah, I'd like to add some points on that.

He votes naked in #476 but his reason is back in #311 agreeing with someone, a whole day in lag before the actual note which is plain naked.
I see it as a forced vote, and why didn't he just vote back in #311?

[Kitz]

Why on Gods' Green Earth need we scumread TSO? He's done hardly anything.

I guess you didn't actually read it.

[Kitz]

Read what? TSO?

That you didn't read what I actually wrote, and you dodged it again.

Spoiler:

He votes naked in #476 but his reason is back in #311 agreeing with someone, a whole day in lag before the actual note which is plain naked.
I see it as a forced vote, and why didn't he just vote back in #311?

---

#Prolapse :
Lack of constructive posts, posts little, read list without basis.
Mentions that "Everyone else is not memoriable", odd. What makes one memoriable and what makes one not?
Reading the ISO, I'm more and more scumleaning on Prolapse.

[Kitz]

I'm going to vote Prolapse for the reason I already gave before. He didn't post any since the pointing out and could really use some pressure.
Beside, we have more than enough day, with nine days remaining.

#Prolapse :
Lack of constructive posts, posts little, read list without basis.
Mentions that "Everyone else is not memoriable", odd. What makes one memoriable and what makes one not?
Reading the ISO, I'm more and more scumleaning on Prolapse.

VOTE: Prolapset Brain

#Where's Aero?

[Kitz]

Top 3 Town

Boonskiies
dragonspawn
Egg

Top 3 Scum

SilverWolf
FA_Q2
Bookitty

Next 3 Town

House
Titus
Aneninen

Next 3 Scum

Taly
Kitz
Varsoon

Obviously I expect my town reads to be more accurate than the scumreads since there are twice as many town as scum.

Silverwolf is Scum, House and Titus is Town, Taly and myself is Scum, Prolapse isn't there anywhere, Ozgin isn't placed anywhere there...
I think Lala is pulling reads from their behind. Scummy.

#All : Just because someone is a lurker, or has a story of it, doesn't mean that it's a tollerable behavior. It's anti-town, anti-discussion and anti-game. If we just let them go away with it, they just learn that it's more or less normal and that means learning less.

#Also, I notice some are still scumreading me. Is it based on BS reasons of 14:3:3:1?

[Kitz]

So I caught up after doing some activities, and all I see is this derpafuck hammer.
Dafuq are you doing Boonie? Moving from one wagon to another just to hammer is scummy.

We have six more days!

[Kitz]

I have a daycop innocent on this player.

She's confirmed town.

Wat.

[Kitz]

Why did you question the innocent House claimed on you?

I found it to be funny. The reason is this : can you link me a game where there's an actual Daycop role?

[Kitz]

Wrong answer.

Make your own answers if you will. "Wat." ain't a serious thing anyway.
If he daycopped me there, he'd get an answer from the host, which would mean end of the day anyway.

– there's another Neighbourhood which consists of House, DragonSpawn, Bookitty, ? who was the other two here?

Kitz and Egg.

Yeah, I'm in Neighbourhood with them. I can confirm that House is playing the pronoun game.

[Kitz]

Kitz, "Wat" reaction to getting an innocent was Ozgin level bad. Ask yourself this.

Why would Kitz doubt a cop getting an innocent on her? But say next to nothing about the original claim.

You read things the way you want, noted.
Seriously tho, I never heard of a daycop role. I'm not "doubting it" the way you depict, I see it as a joke by House. His game is somewhat carefree.

[Kitz]

Nah, not happening. Not buying this.

Like the 14:3:3:1 thing?

[Kitz]

Damn, then we could lynch both Kitz AND Varsoon before night. My best dreams.

Let's lynch everyone while we're at it.

[Kitz]

Holy fuck I can't keep up with this shit

It's twilight. Be quick.

[Kitz]

*slits wrists faster*

Your slitwristing skill is now 37. You gained a perk.

#All : Tomorrow is a day with informative clues, don't lie about them 100 times in a row full of retcons. Thx.

[Kitz]

This is nothing. D1 of 180 was 75 pages.

That game was such a mess.

[Kitz]

This is nothing. D1 of 180 was 75 pages.

Don't bring the ghost of shitty games here - 180 was a terrible mess. I hope this game continues to be nothing like that one.

Inb4 mass murderer.

[Kitz]

Why Kitz, you are a gold mine. I've never heard anyone else use the phrase "retcon" before but me. Odd that you'd use it. It's one of those Titusonian phrases, like townbeard.

Did you trademark that word?

TV Tropes.

U wanna be my waifu?

I could, but the fact Kitz used it at all is revealing to me about her partners. Someone taught her the meaning of that word, which suggests that one of my townreads on my proteges is wrong.

Retconning as a TV trope is not commonly applied to mafia.

The use of my Retcon has you find about partners? Gee, what's next, use that information as a pointless red herring / macguffin to smuggle the monalisa to north korea?
For other news, Plot Twist, there's Mafia in TvT.

Your read got pulverised.

[Kitz]

Either I'm getting really fucking stupid, or this makes no sense at all.

Spoiler:

Central Hood:
Wake, Dragonspawn, Bookitty, Kitz, Egg

Bastion Hood:
Varsoon, Cheetory, Drixx, TSO

Content to add Drixx and TSO to the not Varsoon buddies you listed Egg.

VOTE: Kitz

Your turn House. You gets sheep's.

Quotes Varsoon's Neighbourhood list, then says something about Drixx and TSO, and then votes me.
Like, what? Why am I being voted on? This makes no sense. We're not in the same neighbourhood.

Umm wtf to the last comment about killing me... dat doubtcasting by Varsoon yo.

Makes me think I am a threat to Varsoon, which suggests Kits scum.

House had claimed joat. Varsoon was a joat. The House suspicion is likely genuine because balance implies joat on team A, boat can work on team B. I doubt it is accurate though.

I could compromise on FA.

Can you look at Kits Cheetory?

Makes you think you are a threat to Varsoon, which suggests I'm scum? What the fuck is this even coming from? Your behind?
You even gave logic there right after, House claimed JOAT and Varsoon was a JOAT, "suspicion is likely genuine"... Shouldn't you at least suspect House more than me?
Then you ask others to look into me.

@Egg, I will suppose the "that" in the last post is wanting me dead. The question is why? I literally sent all of day 1 tunnelling town. How was I a threat to anyone with a scum wincon? I was even going to sheep House on Kits for day 2 If I lived, so why shoot me? If Kits is scum though....

So basically, you got a Death Threat, and you're not even dead, and you use this as a reason to connect me to the scum list. I don't see the fucking logic.
I even ISO'd Varsoon and I don't see the death threat that was named. Regardless, shouldn't it also cast suspicion on more than just me?
Also, did it not occur to you that Scum wants to gain Towncred? If he denounced you regarding the tunneling and they flip town, that's free towncred.

I want to be quoted that specific "threat" thing though because I'm just being too stupid and can't find it.

I'm not surprised that Titus will just tunnel me down and look for every excuse.
It even says it there, "I was even going to sheep House on Kits for Day 2 if I lived", regardless of alignment.

I'm genuine confused. This is a moonpuzzle logic in my eyes. If anyone can educate me on what the actual matter is, thanks.
Mainly frustrated because it's a skilled player who do not make sense.

Anyway, I'd like to pressure on Wolf. We in the neighbourhood agree that there's something odd about this :

Do you guys want more discussion and a chance for Oz to speak again before the day ends?

I have no objections to the hammer.

VOTE: Silverwolf

Titus' tunneling, asking House to sheep and House not even agreeing to the SW thing in neighbour because it's "futile to read her"...
I dunno. I'd like to take a closer look on House after SW and then Titus. House seems oddly protective on SW.

[Kitz]

House faked an innocent on Kitz. Her response was "Wat". Who does not believe a cop innocent on you.

If he did that on you, would you believe it right away?

[Kitz]

If you are town, why wouldn't you believe it Kitz?

Are you all guys missing the freaking point? Seriously.

[Kitz]

Did I specifically question it? I only said "Wat.", stop misinterpretting it.
House was just trolling, he doesn't seem to care about D1. It would be more scummy to believe a trolling for free towncred.

I also know that there's no such thing as a "Daycop". Don't you all know that too? Or is it an actual role here?
Asked for a game containing one, after all, with no response.

[Kitz]

A Daycop investigates players during the Day instead of the Night. Depending on the format of the game, they may receive their results immediately or at the end of the Day.

Well, fuck. I didn't see that. I thought it was just variants like Guilty, Not Guilty, Insane, Part-Truth, non-conseq, etc. I missed it out regarding Night/Day.

"Wat" is either a question or a statement of disbelief.

Back to reddit you go, or some other shady place they use "Wat".

---

For other matter, what is this Logical Fallacy?
If it's true what House said, confirming that I'm town, then why pressure / vote me?
If you don't believe House, then pressure him?

I don't even.

[Kitz]

House's cop was a reaction test and not real. The fact you questioned it indicates your guilt.

Do you actually know, by fact, what "trolling" means?

[Kitz]

In the neighborhood, I said it's almost as futile for me to read you as it is for you to read me.

There was no "protective" bullshit that Kitz is spewing. She's being lying scum.

You wrote that it was futile to read SW, one way or another, with not even a single input on the thoughts of what you were asked about.
"trying to read SW is about as futile as her trying to read me"... So "Her" being me, Kitz, but you still wrote that reading SW is futile.

Did you just twist your word there? This response doesn't include anything regarding SW, only about me.
I read it as "Kitz can't read me, and I can't read Kitz".

[Kitz]

@Kitz, I am aware what trolling means.

Then learn to understand that I saw it as a basic case of trolling?

[Kitz]

Kitz if you look at what House quoted, it was my 1797.

This is actually quite odd coming from House. He usually goes after me hard in games until he figures out my alignment. I have absolutely no idea what Titus's tunneling has to do with me though.

Care to elaborate on this? I'm not in your hood so this is news to me.

Basically, there's something odd you did, then House was asked about it, and he refused to comment on it other than saying it was futile to read you.
It was quite odd to me that he didn't even comment on it.

So basically, I see a chain. Titus tunnels me, asks House to sheep on me in which he does, and House being "defensive" on you by not saying anything, may it be positive or negative.

That's what I ment, if you misunderstood.

[Kitz]

So you are connecting myself, House, and Titus based on that? That's really reachy Kitz. Really, really reachy.

I have really weird logic. Forgot 180 already? In fact, my weird logic made me see outside the box multiple times.

And why in the hell doesn't anybody ask me a damn thing instead of just taking quotes out of context and assuming shit? I really, really hate when people do that.

Fucking ask me about this stuff. That's how you read people. You fucking question them. You don't just take their quotes, string them together, and then assume shit. You don't take things said in a hood that I'm not in and wasn't involved in and connect me with people based on their comments with really, really poor logic and bad reasoning.

Then look at those vote posts and then comment / explain?
You wanted to keep the day going for discussion, being against the hammer somewhat while not having voted, then shortly after getting in the mindset of not minding to hammer.

I would like the rest of your hood to weigh in and see if they can back you up on this.

Well, I'm not lying about that House didn't comment on it, and said it was futile to read you.

[Kitz]

Because she questioned a cop Inno on her.

Bla.Bla.Bla.

[Kitz]

Her, being Silverwolf.

In the neighborhood, I said it's almost as futile for me to read you as it is for you to read me.

Wait a minute... You said I'm wrong so I had to re-read, because... Wait...

Let's fix this.
"Me trying to read SW is about as futile as SW trying to read me."

Is this what you ment? That's the "fixed" version.

God damnit. I have issues with non-direct names, which leads to very quick misunderstandings.

[Kitz]

Too late, scum. I'm pretty sure everybody else knew exactly what I meant, as SilverWolf was the topic of conversation.

NOT YOU.

You're the one who keeps saying you can't read me, so I assumed it was me as a reference.
Anyway, I'm pondering if I should just resign, because my ability of English is so bad it leads to me getting the center of attention in Every Single Game.

---

Because I'm a complete fucktard and misread something, I won't bother House/Titus/SW and I'll just ignore them for the moment.

Also a possibility that Blue team kills odd nights, Red kills evens.

Moving my vote, for this reason.
This is Informative, how does one know that one is Blue?

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

[Kitz]

Care to explain how I protected SilverWolf? Because I'm still not seeing how you pulled that out of thin air, even if you are telling the truth about thinking I was referring to you by "her".

Stating I protected SilverWolf by saying I couldn't read you makes no more sense than saying I was protecting her by saying I couldn't read her. Or any less sense.

The conclusion does not follow.

Because you didn't say anything further on the case. Presented quotes, that something's weird, then you're asked about it, and all you give is that you can't give a player read and that's about it?

I would've given a read about the quotes, and why they stand out so much, before commentating if it's adequate scummy or not.
Considering you're one of the experienced players, that struck me as odd.

That I think is scummy. Sue me.

[Kitz]

Another Kitz!scum lie.

Fuck off.

CW #99, #100 (quotes), #101 (asks house), #102 (house reply)

[Kitz]

99 is by dragonspawn & contains no quotes.
100 is by EGG. NOT ME.

Another Kitz!scum lie confirmed.

I didn't say Dragonspawn has any quotes, hence the LACK OF A FUCKING (quote)

I also did not say that House was the one quoting. FFS.

[Kitz]

So you're saying I was protecting SilverWolf based on posts Egg made?

Based on your lackluster response.

#Titus, House can do it.

[Kitz]

Another misunderstanding...? Gee.
I said there was a lackluster comment when he could have said far more.

The fact that he could have said either positive or negative, or even read into it, could be something, but nooo, he just puts a blant comment and shrugs it off...
I kinda see that as "protecting".

Inb4 another "lie".

[Kitz]

After reading about Titus and seeing it all...
No comment. This is just a plain scummy freakout with excuses.

VOTE: Titus

[Kitz]

After having read this day, this is my comment.

Reading this day is like being repetitively injected by a vaccine.
So much salt.

I'm going to look past the banter...

Curious : Why did House claim being Roleblocked just about immediately? Coincidentally Anenin flipped a JOAT with such an ability.
Would the claim not be there if Anenin didn't flip?

Wouldn't it be better to keep this information hidden to some extend for WIFOM and discussion of what House possibly could have?
Anyway, I understand why he tried to gunsmith me, after that pressure on me yesterday.

Would you pricks stop roleblocking me?

I tried to gunsmith Kitz.

[Kitz]

Sorry that I haven't been much active, upset over having hurt a really important friend.

#Cheetory : I think there's more who have pushed Ozgin seriously thinking that he's a scum.
As for that hardtownread being let go on Titus, was it before the flippitydippidy freakout?
I agree that it's weird tho. Pressure?

[Kitz]

ii. Why do you care? You claim to think I'm scum anyway, so what possible difference could it make?

... The difference would be their reads towards you and various other things as opposed to being even more scumread on?
This one stings as scummy, especially how the response is.

Cheetory, because I think it's fake and I don't care if you try to get me lynched because it will just highlight how fake your read is when I flip town. So do your worst

[Kitz]

Btw, happy cakeday host.

[Kitz]

@Kitz-Who are you scumreading right now and why aren't you voting?

I'm always slow / reserving on votes, but yeah, I'll vote for someone I personally think needs a vote.

As for who's scummy, well.
Prolapsed Brain is a big, red button. Read his ISO, this is overal anti-game, unattentative, sheepish and fluff, lack of actual contribution.
Lala pings me really high too, for the not-much-care attitude and several other things which is made obvious by now.
Kitty is also among there, for the obvious points of mindset and play, as well as the whole "Mislynch town" thingie and "Why should I care".
Skybird pings me slightly, recently going all neutral and careful, while going for an obvious target in the same mindset.

Boonskies pings lightly, but otherwise a mix-read. Dragon is a town-lean/null. Everyone says BestFriend, but I dunno, no actual evidence yet.
Radiant reads as a "fucking troll", so mix-read.
House is null due to my mixed reads on him, but there's a townlean due to the claim and claimed actions.

Personally I read Cheetory and Anenin as town.

The rest is null. Anyway, voting PB because, god damnit, those reasons.
VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

[Kitz]

Wolf, I also had some earlier concerns about kitz at the begining of the game. (reference posts: 128, 133, 159) I voted her in post 278.

I asked in #49 what 14:3:3:1 was, you said in #128 "This makes me go hmm, how many games have you played?"

In 133, you say I could be a scum trying to drop a fake towntell.

#159 you quoted #32 (Hope we don't get mindfucked by setup) and #39 being the 14:3:3:1 question.
#32 is a referrence to the setup I was playing in, which included a really fucked up series of days, confusion, too many PR, a mass murderer, gamethrowing players and other stuff.
Since many here was in that game.

#278 is a vote on me about setup posts and the response to the questions and my use of the emoticon.
There's also my casual answer to a question. I can answer that regardless of what role and stuff I am.

Okay, serious questions.
How the fuck is a question a "fake towntell"? What makes it a towntell in any circumstance? This is a bullshit reason, it's neither towny nor scummy. Even confused scum can ask this question. I was genuine confused when I read 14:3:3:1, the numbers didn't add as I thought the limit was 20 players, and I didn't know of multiball let alone adding a 3P in the mix, not reading the setup correctly regarding that it's multiball and some lines were in the wrong places in my point of view after a re-read.

How is the use of an emoticon an attempt to discourage questions and conversation? Like, what. I don't see the connection.
In fact, most post with that emoticon was related to the 180-Game. Can't you even make the connections to that? I was not talking about the setup of this game in any detail other than "I hope it isn't as mindfucking as 180". If I'm getting you right, then you're basically saying I'm subtly trying to discourage the discussion of a game not related to this one.
Logically, shouldn't rolling eyes mean Sarcastic / Ironic? Sure, it makes small sense in some posts, but fuck it.

The odd targeting is the main reason why it pings, as it seems like an attempt to "get lowhanging fruit". I realise I didn't write that, but it was pretty obvious on an earlier response.
And a free clarification, I didn't say the two of you had a same mindset. #bad_at_english

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Reason I vote Prolapse is because he just isn't doing anything. Even trolling is acceptable to some degree compared to being anti-game while being around. What has an anti-game to benefit? I can't think of anything other than to be a waste of space and a block. Would you want this player to have the same behavior to the end of the game?
Radiant is currently being a troll, and even took my obvious "he's already dead" bait into trolling. It's bad, yes, but there could be a reason, like a role that benefits mass attention at night or benefit from being lynched. Behavior could change, and it could be related to WIFOM.

I hope you see the pro-con thingie that's in my head regarding the situations.

As for the attempt of starting a train on me, yeeeaaaah, what the fuck? There's better players to pressure / vote. Boonskiies said a scumclaim, which I see nowhere.
The comment by Lala however pings me. "If I voted for Kitz after Skybird would you think I'm scum". The votes seemed too opportunisticly which pings, but the vote I'm going to overlook though is Skybird due to the interpretation of reading.

[Kitz]

you are implying that you think the questions being asked are bad

Absolutely not.

If you were genuinely confused why did you not say that in post 138 in your reponse?

I'm a nawb with my head in the clouds sometimes.

Why did you not ask for an elaborate answer? I did say I'm a newbie, and some other thing you probably won't get.

Are you simply trying to say that lala is playing carefree and I am playing careful?

Yes.

Dude, you did not mention 180 in your post 32. You are also not supposed to talk about on-going games so I'd be very cautious about making references to other games.

180 is already finished, gee. And here's 180 (quote, later post #160), which is before your vote.
Also note the word, Referrence.

180 was a freaking nightmare, quite a lot of players here was in it so a subtle reference.

[Kitz]

Kitz.
Why are you overdefensive this game, where last game you were literally willing to selfvote yourself because you figured you would be a distraction?

I'm actually arguing, and responding.
Beside, if I didn't respond, what then?

As for distraction, well, it's based on how that game went.

While you're here Cheetory, what's your thought about my argument of Trolling VS Anti-Game?

[Kitz]

What about this game is different specifically that's warranting the difference?

Depression perhaps.
Altho, that game had everyone pinned me as scum the whole time to the point of tunnel, then whenever someone else got the attention, the blame got put on me.
I thought it was best to get rid of me while LYLO wasn't a thing yet.

Can you link a specific quote/post? I don't have much time right now. On my way out the door in a second.

This thingie.

Reason I vote Prolapse is because he just isn't doing anything. Even trolling is acceptable to some degree compared to being anti-game while being around. What has an anti-game to benefit? I can't think of anything other than to be a waste of space and a block. Would you want this player to have the same behavior to the end of the game?
Radiant is currently being a troll, and even took my obvious "he's already dead" bait into trolling. It's bad, yes, but there could be a reason, like a role that benefits mass attention at night or benefit from being lynched. Behavior could change, and it could be related to WIFOM.

I hope you see the pro-con thingie that's in my head regarding the situations.

[Kitz]

Deja'vu.
No need to discuss that particular detail.

[Kitz]

There seems to be a core group -- about 8 or so people -- that are doing all the talking. (Obviously, I am not among that group.)

I will not be able to get back to this game (in any substantive manner) until late late Friday. I'll be posting some sort of prod-dodge between now and then.

Can you actually start to do something actually productive other than fluff, sheep and stuff?

[Kitz]

Oh, may as well claim that too: I targeted Skybird Night one and I got "no result". I dunno what that means, though. I don't know why anyone would have roleblocked me then.

This could be related to the "roleblock claim" by House. Might be the same blocker?

A question for Boo : Why did you visit the targets? What made you read them as being the most required for checking on? Compared to all the others who might be scummier.

[Kitz]

I didn't do anything N1. What is your role, again?

PLOT TWIST

So wait, that means you never commuted and still has the ability? Or is it an other ability?

In other news, you kinda disappeared for like what, two days? Didn't see any V/LA. Confused.

I did performa an action N1. I targeted house and received No Result.

Hmmmmmm Kitty got a No-Result, and you did too. Could the core of this be You? Jailkeep or whatever that was suggested here.
But wait... Now that you mentioned having an action, anything interesting on the second night?

[Kitz]

Kitz and Lala, you called skybird careful as well. What gives you that impression? What is scummy about it?

Being "careful" isn't scummy, but the following actions and what happened is. Skybird is weird, opportunistic, but did it subtle with selective reading, which I end up calling out as careful.
YMMV.

UTR

What the fuck is UTR?

I'm seriously sick of all these acronyms I do not understand and can't figure out.

Spoiler:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... reviations
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix: ... rnet_slang
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... y:Glossary

[Kitz]

under the radar.

Oh. Why isn't it anywhere on those lists?

I think Kitz is pretty UTR this game

So uh, what makes me under the radar? From what I see, I'm constantly poked on, many says they prefer a lynch on me, voted by some.



I see that others are getting pinged by Prolapsed's uselessness. That took some time...

[Kitz]

Why is that?

Being depressive. Hurt someone important. Think I said that twice already.
As for the other game, it was a fun puzzle and everyone was being dumb about it and I wanted to clear it up.

[Kitz]

I'm unlynchable, anyway.

SMH. Why is everyone so super-ignorant on Prolapsed?
I'll switch my vote to Lala, because damn, no one wants Prolapsed.

VOTE: Laladucks

[Kitz]

I'm so sorry for not being around. I should've said V/LA for the following days due to a depression. I'm better tho.

I see all these votes, and I'm seriously questioning what makes me the most scummy. I am genuine confused.
Fuck it.

Ask Me Anything.

[Kitz]

I'm off. If there's any questions, address me with #kitz or whatever draws my attention.

[Kitz]

This setup is weird as hell.

I'm a variant of the JOAT called the multiple user personality. Varsoon is JOAT, House claims JOAT, I'm a JOAT who can't decide what the outcome is.
Randomness isn't fun.

[Kitz]

Then why does that role even exist here?

[Kitz]

Why not include a full list of the available roles?

[Kitz]

I'd say it is. Since you know more than me, you should be able to prove it based on my question.
Including a full list of the available roles, if mine isn't there, then yeah, I'm scum.

[Kitz]

Why not? That's just stupid.

[Kitz]

Hammered already? Oh well. Was faster than I expected.

[Kitz]

So anyway, a town was lynched.

Won't say who I pick to die.

[Kitz]

VOTE: Kitz

In case someone counted wrong and I'm at L1, now lynched.

[Kitz]

Okay, now I'm very definitively lynched.

[Kitz]

I'd like some quick reads so I can figure out who to target before the twilight ends.
Vengeful.

[Kitz]

Well, instead of claiming a probable role, I went with MUP. Surprised none caught on that "fallacy" at all.

[Kitz]

Actually, no sane doctor would heal Lala and I agree with the scumreads.
Completely ignore Lala, will kill.

[Kitz]

If you're a "Citizen", there's no chance I'll let you live.

[Kitz]

Book?

[Kitz]

*She decides to use a Random Generator*

[Kitz]

I'm surprised. Limited amount of time, and no attempt of discussion. This makes me somewhat suspicious of the players here.

[Kitz]

Cheetory, meta on me is difficult because I change playstyle from my mood and sanity. I'm not bound to a faction or role.

[Kitz]

Don't tell me I have to input a kill during twilight and the PM has a typo...

[Kitz]

To get caught?

[Kitz]

Two birds with one stone I figured.