In post 923, Egg wrote:Anen, ok. I think we define posting style differently, but I understand what you are saying about it.
1 Also pretty sure I remember Varsoon lurking as town twice. This feels like a new Varsoon regardless of his alignment.
2 I think I see what you mean about the more active scumhunters exposing themselves too. They open themselves up to being polarizing figures who end up lynched or NK'd so it isn't a safe play. Is that basically where you are going with that?
3 If so, take Titus. Can you picture her playing any other way?
4 Why don't you think I'd question you as scum? That comment felt weird to me.
5
(1) Good.
(2) Than you know more about him than I do. I was scum with him in Boonie's game and that's all, as for my direct meta.
(3) Exactly.
(4) Can you give me some hints what I should pay attention to?
(5) See below!
In post 923, Egg wrote:
Anen wrote: It would be much more beneficial for a scum to (1) push an existing wagon with our without providing any reasons, (2) make as few interactions as they can, maybe even lurking, (3) insta-attack a player without talking to him/her but making sure that the wagon never gets close to lynch or (4) as a special case of (3), Chainsaw someone.Instead of these, what did Egg do? He asked questions from quite a few players, including me, who's neither too significant now, nor amongst the "common scumreads". (As far as I remember, I'm generally in the null-town zone.) Would it make sense from a scum-Egg? Sure, he may get some town credit for it but a gameplay like this doesn't move the game into a scum-favoured direction (framing players or going for mislynches/other scumfaction lynches). That's not much. Would it make sense from a town-Egg? Absolutely; he seems to be into sorting out as many players as he can
Well. Your conclusion is right but this is still flawed logic. Your #1 ignores the fact that I am voting Ozgin. #2 and 4 ignore the fact that I don't lurk strategically or chainsaw. And 3 is also something I don't do. I don't think you've ever seen my scum game if I'm remembering correctly, so these wrong meta assumptions are weird to me.
Yes, yes, I see your points.
However, it's only Day1. We have no flips, no Nightkills, no useful VCA, no associative tells, no nothing. I use what I can and in this case, I use my general personal experience.
Also, you might have noticed in other games that I'm reading the games in a different way, sometimes using my own tells, etc. Is it a better or worse strategy than others's ones? Perhaps neither of them. But still, it's something scums can't adept to easily. The whole Mafia is evolving all the time. Eg. long ago scums were in late positions on a mislynch wagon then they started jumping on them earlier. Then being absent. What's going on now? I don't know, but I don't think being at a late position is a real tell anymore so if someone does so as scum, they may get away with it. It's like an enormous Rock-Paper-Scissors game. But would scums ever change their gameplay because of a Malkavian Idiot reading everything in a different way? I don't think so. (Like what? A fictional post in a scum QT:
"Watch out, Aneninen is there, he'll MissMarple-read you so act exactly in the way like Druuge did in Pick your Chocolate Power!"
Lol, that would never ever happen.)
The reasons for townreading you are enough for me right now. But, of course, they're very far from enough for eg. Day3.
In post 924, Boonskiies wrote:No, I wouldn't. But I felt Aneninen was one of the few people to pick up on the fact Dragon and I are confirmed town best friends. If I had died in the night, Aneninen would be the one to blame. I actually like that there are doubters. means I might not get night killed.
Bad logic.
"If I die Tonight, XXXX is scum" is a well-known WIFOM. I heard it for the first time in a RL game about 20 years ago.
Also, take a look at the recent events. Scums might have
too many
useful Nightkill possibilities now... which creates another WIFOM, but it's a WIFOM for THEM!
– they may kill House because of claiming JOAT.
– they may kill Varsoon because of claiming unknown PR.
– they may kill Dragon or you, because you're so good friends.
– they may kill someone from a Neighbourhood to get rid of a dangerous player (I have no info about this since I'm not there but it may happen).
– they may hunt each other.
– and, most importantly, they can't synchronize their shots at all.
In post 930, Varsoon wrote:The problem with scumhunting in my neighborhood right now is that I'm really certain of my Cheetory townread and while I doubt TSO and Drixx, they literally are not here to receive the pressure of a wagon.
Okay.
In post 935, dragonspawn wrote:
But now that it's out I'm pretty sure wolf and egg are town because they recognized the crumbs and didn't out us.
Bad logic. Scums sometimes pay attention to crumbs and hints more carefully than towns, but they don't essentially out them – so as to earn some town credit later. Ask Boonie about the game he modded, lol!
I don't think Silverwolf or Egg are scums, but not because of this.
In post 946, House wrote:
I have to resist the urge to lynch Kitz because... I always want to lynch Kitz.
Egg is an asset when he's town, so I don't want to paranoia lynch there.
Have you read what Kitz pointed out about Prolapsed? if so, what do you think about it? (In this Setup that doesn't clear Kitzy but it's still useful.) You're right about Egg, but I don't think anyone's wanted to lynch him Today.
Why?
