New York 185: Freshwater Frenzy!

[Taly]

My first game on this site, Taly, I got called a homosexual and had a long time site member tell me they wanted me to experience prison rape. The mod of that game didn't think that warranted more than a reminder to follow the rules. I try not to start fights or go after people, and I try to keep myself in check when I see abuse but when it gets to a certain point I just step in and do my best to stomp it and put it to an end.

Oh god. :/ I'm sorry.

In the case of those few pages, I just don't believe for even the smallest possible unit of time that House didn't realize "99.9% empty space" was a reference to the reality that even "solid" matter is almost entirely empty space, and was obviously meant to inject a little humor. He intentionally pretended to misunderstand (even after it was explained) in order to push a case. I find that scummy.

So there's two issues. The first is the attacks, and that's mostly settled. House doesn't seem to want to take an olive branch but he seems pretty intense most of the time so I'm fairly sure he's still in the "I didn't do nothing wrong I don't need to meet anyone in the middle and resolve anything" stage. I've noticed that intense people tend to take awhile to wind down, and that's whatever.

The second issue is the intentional manipulation to try and push a fabricated case on someone. There's literally no town motivation imaginable for that.

Ah, I'm starting to understand your thought process better. I'll look a bit more hardly at the past few pages. I'm already not thinking House is towny at this point.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'll happily lynch House.

I dislike his behaviour, I dislike the way people seem to be walking on eggshells around him, and I'm nearly positive he's scum.

[Drixx]

I apologize for losing my cool earlier. I still don't like what I see on those pages, but it's not the worst stuff I've seen. I think I am just sensitive to it because of a couple bad experiences on site {on another occasion a player told me that I was going to go to hell when I died ... no joke ... and neither of the examples I've given were instigated by me ... not even with any of my usual snark}, and I also am probably older than most on site and as a consequence I've been around the internet before it was really what we think of as the internet, and I've seen countless people who subscribe to the philosophy that online isn't "real life" and thus they can say whatever they like, no matter how hurtful, and they can lie and cheat people and steal from people, and just shrug it off and tell their victims that "It's the internet ... grow thicker skin" and so we have bullies blaming victims as an ever increasing trend.

I see the results of some of the really nasty stuff younger people do to each other pretty much every day I am in the office or lecturing on campus.

I think that sort of thing is called a "trigger"? I will get ridiculously angry when I see others being abused, and I try to just ignore any that comes my way, unless it's especially egregious.


So that's like an explanation, not an excuse. I should very much like to hear from House that it's just water under the bridge, as I enjoy playing with him and find his unique approach generally entertaining and challenging. One need only search my posts for references to House to see.

[Boonskiies]

L...@Drixx trying to say a confirmed townie is being opportunistic.

[Drixx]

L...@Drixx trying to say a confirmed townie is being opportunistic.

I did have a lengthy V/LA and skimmed a large part of the game. Did I miss the part where the mod confirmed you are a townie?

Whatever I missed, I'd love to see it because it will obviously impact my thoughts on the game.

And as far as opportunistic posts go ... that's what it looked like. I'm pretty sure that Wake hasn't confirmed you as a townie, and so reason and logic dictate that whatever method "confirmed" you may be fallible. Presuming you are actually a townie, why did that post look so scummy?

[Boonskiies]

Sigh...Dragonspawn and I are pretty much proven Best Friends. My reactions towards the early wagon on Dragon, along with only a scum kill pretty damn well confirms us as town.

[Drixx]

Okay, so you go in the probtown pile with paranoia penned off until much later.

Now I'm just super confused though. Nobody should read me losing my cool over something not really game related either way. Me getting emotionally invested in reaction to something that is a trigger for me really isn't at all relevant to my alignment. People would be irrational to give me town points for it, and equally irrational to give me scum points for it.

[Boonskiies]

eh. i don't find you super scummy or anything, but more lean scum than lean town. To be fair, I'd be happier with at least 5 other people getting lynched before you, House included in that. My reads come off of vote analysis/setup spec/flips, so I need flips. haha.

[dragonspawn]

Drixx,

Boon is definitely town. We are best buddies this game.

I still am wary of house. Not sure he is scum but I still don't believe the claim.

Still thing we need to lynch rc and ducks.

Not 100% sure on wolf. But I'm leaning town more again. But she's gotten better so I'm not reading her as easily.

Fa, start talking more. I want to get a read on you. You too delta.

[Boonskiies]

Wolf is town.

[Skybird]

I second or third that lalaladucks needs to post her reasons for the Taly vote. I understand she is V/LA at the moment, but I dislike when someone drops a vote on someone and either gives no reasons or says reasons later.

[Skybird]

Hugs Drixx. I'm sorry about the crappy experiences you had in some of your games here.

[Taly]

I apologize for losing my cool earlier. I still don't like what I see on those pages, but it's not the worst stuff I've seen. I think I am just sensitive to it because of a couple bad experiences on site {on another occasion a player told me that I was going to go to hell when I died ... no joke ... and neither of the examples I've given were instigated by me ... not even with any of my usual snark}, and I also am probably older than most on site and as a consequence I've been around the internet before it was really what we think of as the internet, and I've seen countless people who subscribe to the philosophy that online isn't "real life" and thus they can say whatever they like, no matter how hurtful, and they can lie and cheat people and steal from people, and just shrug it off and tell their victims that "It's the internet ... grow thicker skin" and so we have bullies blaming victims as an ever increasing trend.

I see the results of some of the really nasty stuff younger people do to each other pretty much every day I am in the office or lecturing on campus.

I think that sort of thing is called a "trigger"? I will get ridiculously angry when I see others being abused, and I try to just ignore any that comes my way, unless it's especially egregious.


So that's like an explanation, not an excuse. I should very much like to hear from House that it's just water under the bridge, as I enjoy playing with him and find his unique approach generally entertaining and challenging. One need only search my posts for references to House to see.

Honestly, everytime someone in a game says "Stop with your woe is me attitude"

I've had 3 people say this to me in 3 different games. All 3 of them were scum I caught. I only got 1 killed because the other 2 drove my mislynch into the damn ground.

It makes me want to scream, because I find this greatly insulting. I used to be picked on too, and same as other people I know - friends and strangers alike.

This is actually why I get very vocal and argumentative in these games. I'm not going to let people push me around and etc., whether they're just trying to get me killed or whether or not they find me annoying, truly.

I just haven't been in 1v1s with people this game, because I know at least half of you. This is also my first multiball, and I feel vulnerable. I don't want to get far too emotional unless I have to.

I also seriously do not like being angry.

I second or third that lalaladucks needs to post her reasons for the Taly vote. I understand she is V/LA at the moment, but I dislike when someone drops a vote on someone and either gives no reasons or says reasons later.

I've made an ENTIRE ESSAY on me looking into 5 peoples ISOs(not including my own), EXPLAINING my PARANOIA on half the people scumreading me are likely scum themselves. This is not OMGUS.

I honestly have little to no idea why people are calling me scum, then going after others, then painting my actions as scum, then saying they'll come after me later.

I have little idea on why people even think I'm scum. I even have evidence to prove against the FEW reasons that have already been stated against me.

[Taly]

@Dragon

Who do you think is more dangerous right now?

RC, House, or Lala?

[SilverWolf]

@Taly-The reason I am forcing you to explain yourself is because I feel like you are being reachy and I've gotten that vibe from many of your posts this game. Associations without a flip are worthless as well.

That's a reason why my vote is where it is, I want to see the flip of the person I'm scumreading. So I'll see how likely my reads are on the idea of association.

What about my posts have seemed reachy to you? Which ones?

You never explained what interactions between myself and anen concerned you. And why are my interactions with House weird? I dare you to find a game we have played in together where we don't bicker with each other. But what does that tell you exactly?

You didn't ask about Anenien beforehand - I didn't say that the interactions between you two concerned me. But I found that it may connect with why Anenien could have been killed. Mostly because you and House didn't seem to be working together(Which could be TownVTown, but I somewhat doubt it) - and how Anenien treated the Kitz wagon.

I also haven't seen a game, or been in a game with both you and House - so I wasn't sure where you were going about this.

If you two tend to argue with each other in the games you guys are in:

Which alignments did you guys have where you guys argued the most?

Do you think House is scum in this game?

Ugh.....................this is so damn reachy and fabricated, you are giving me major scum heebie geebies here. In answer to your questions, I don't know if House is scum. I have a notoriously difficult time reading him ever. Our arguments are usually TvT or TvS where he's scum but I don't think that matters. What I hate about this is you have decided to connect us with bogus reasoning and then decided to connect us to anen based on how he is reacting to a Kitz wagon. This is just nonsensical BS and I really don't see it coming from town.

I just haven't been in 1v1s with people this game, because I know at least half of you. This is also my first multiball, and I feel vulnerable. I don't want to get far too emotional unless I have to.

I also seriously do not like being angry.

I second or third that lalaladucks needs to post her reasons for the Taly vote. I understand she is V/LA at the moment, but I dislike when someone drops a vote on someone and either gives no reasons or says reasons later.

I've made an ENTIRE ESSAY on me looking into 5 peoples ISOs(not including my own), EXPLAINING my PARANOIA on half the people scumreading me are likely scum themselves. This is not OMGUS.

I honestly have little to no idea why people are calling me scum, then going after others, then painting my actions as scum, then saying they'll come after me later.

I have little idea on why people even think I'm scum. I even have evidence to prove against the FEW reasons that have already been stated against me.

This also looks fake as fuck. You are spending far too much time worried about your appearance this game. Your tone is off as well. I think it is more likely you will flip scum than RC or lala at this point.

VOTE: Taly

[dragonspawn]

@Dragon

Who do you think is more dangerous right now?

RC, House, or Lala?

Honestly I have no clue. I know house better. So I know if he is scum he is dangerous

But I don't know rc or ducks at all. So I'm not sure how to rate them.

[FA_Q2]

@Dragon

Who do you think is more dangerous right now?

RC, House, or Lala?

Honestly I have no clue. I know house better. So I know if he is scum he is dangerous

But I don't know rc or ducks at all. So I'm not sure how to rate them.

What makes you think that house is scum?

Do you really think that what he claimed was a ‘slip?' I think that is incorrect and not indicative of his alignment.

I have a theory about the house situation but it is not in town’s interest to discuss it at this time. I am, however, reading house as a town lean.

[FA_Q2]

Taly and lalalala are scummates.

Discuss.

Also, yes. Lets get back on track, people. ScumHouse will figure itself out later. Vote Lala or Taly.

._.

So will you not scumread Taly when I flip town?

Cause that's what will happen.

Think Taly is scum.

Reasons later.

VOTE: Taly

tallyho!

Garbage. You have never given competent reasons for your votes and you are not starting now. You are still scummy as hell.


I also do not like the drama between house and silver – I have a scum lean on silver right now.


As I said, slight town lean with house.

I don’t fully get the scum reads on tally – can someone reiterated the case they have on taly? I don’t see scum there at this time.

VOTE: laladucks

Starting to get suspicious of delta – contribute something. You are not simply lurking anymore – you post fluff and meaningless garbage. That is scummy.

[House]

Oh ... and all of this drama and such magically appeared right when House was being pressured over a slip. That doesn't seem like it's a coincidence, do you think?

All of this drama and bullshit appeared BECAUSE OF YOU and YOU ARE CONTINUING THE BULLSHIT.

Fucknig die, scum.

[House]

How do people that look for opportunistic tells not see Drixx's behavior as scummy as shit?

he made an ambiguous joke that could easily be taken out of context, then when it was he attacked the ones that did so.

Hell, he feigned more outrage about the person I insulted than the person that I actually insulted!

HELLO?!?!?! Wake up, people!

He just wanted towncred for looking like he wanted to get rid of a malcontent, and I absolutely believe he is scum.

[House]

My bad, I got RadiantCowbells & Drixx mixed up.

Drixx, stop dredging up dead shit.

[House]

lala, I'll let you live today if you buss RC.

[RadiantCowbells]

There's something seriously wrong with you, House.

[Cheetory6]

House, your antics are getting boring. Stop making this game boring.
If you actually think Drixx or RC or whoever is actually scum then make a case that isn't "this person is a dick", because RC has provably not been a dick this game.

I'll give this game some love tomorrow. Going to a bbq today. c:

[Drixx]

I probably overreacted to that string of posts. I read them all in a close time proximity and I already have tried to bury the hatchet a couple times. I think it only flared up again because House thought I made the joke and then tried to profit from the resulting drama. He, essentially, was angrily scumreading me for precisely the same reason I was scum reading him. That actually makes me feel way better about him as far as being town goes.