Mini 1684: Shucking Bullfit Mafia - Game Called

[Cephrir]

Confirm

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I want Tammy walls

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I am opposed to massclaiming. However, I *might* benefit from a "role complexity" claim. If anyone's into that.

VOTE: Nacho.

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Why wouldn't they be necessary?

Please don't have a pointless questions war

My poor little heart couldn't take it

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This game is setup as 9-3-1 so right off the bat, we have more scum than normal. Assuming one townie can't vote (that's what treestump means, right?), the game can end even faster. Hypothetical: Let's say that third party has a kill and we mislynch on day 1. The third party and mafia kill a townie each. We'll be left with 10 players among which scum control four votes, town control five and one is a treestump. Even if we lynch mafia, we could end up with 7 players the next day 2 of which are mafia, 1 third party, and 3 townie votes. That's not enough to have a town-controlled lynch because we need 4 to lynch. Bottomline - the game may be unwinnable after a single mislynch which is bad game design.

If there is a treestump, it is mathematically more likely to be scum of some sort or have additional powers which activate later on in the game.

Tammy, vote someone please. If you are a tree-stump, then your vote shouldn't count.

What was the point of this post?

VOTE: Pegasus30

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I'm sorry, Hyperion, you're right. That was so rude of me.

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I've decided where to vote!

I'm gonna vote Dinare because his post 34 sounds like throwing a random question to look like town doing something productive when it's not. What he asked would've been easy to figure out with a simple bit of reading.

VOTE: Dinare

This post makes me think you were trying really hard to find somewhere to put a vote down, and finally managed to come up with something that sounded sort of convincing.

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Also, Hyperion and Soul are probably town! Boy that was sure easy!

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._.

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dramonic wtf are you doing.

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Real thing I want discussed: I think it may benefit me to know how complex yalls roles are like on a scale from town doctor to tammy's role

does anyone actually think claiming this is a bad idea

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how though

complex != good

[Cephrir]

Real thing I want discussed: I think it may benefit me to know how complex yalls roles are like on a scale from town doctor to tammy's role

does anyone actually think claiming this is a bad idea

my role necessitates that at the very least, we do this
my role is a 10
i'm a 10

Thank you. In case anyone cares, I would say my role is a 3. It's a simple twist on something common.

oh but that would require that i also participate in the massclaim!

of course, you cant be expected to be held to the same standard as you hold everyone else can you

This just reads to me like intentional aggravation.

Do not massclaim.
Marquis is lying about his role.

This isn't helpful.

Blatant rolefishing, with no reasoning at all, coupled with a refusal to explain why his "super fantastic magical power role" needs a massclaim makes me lean heavy scum

Think harder.

Real thing I want discussed: I think it may benefit me to know how complex yalls roles are like on a scale from town doctor to tammy's role

does anyone actually think claiming this is a bad idea

no

mine is mixed, maybe on a scale of one to ten it's a 5? it's like a basic town role but it has a common scum role intertwined like a sneaky little badger on the road at night

Thank you. More of this, please. Also, I liked this post.

I've decided where to vote!

I'm gonna vote Dinare because his post 34 sounds like throwing a random question to look like town doing something productive when it's not. What he asked would've been easy to figure out with a simple bit of reading.

VOTE: Dinare

This post makes me think you were trying really hard to find somewhere to put a vote down, and finally managed to come up with something that sounded sort of convincing.

What's the point of making a post with a vote if it doesn't sound convincing?
Serious votes are more effective the earlier it is placed and I want my vote counts.

My point is that it seems manufactured.

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Also, I'm fairly certain I've located one of the people I'm interested in, but we'll find out.

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I mean I don't know what Marquis' reasoning is but I don't think blatant rolefishing is actually a scum tactic at this point in mafia history

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after all, the meta has shifted to everyone softclaiming really hard for what is frequently no reason, so they don't even need to rolefish

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Hmm. Cephrir... Which mod do you think made your role?
If Marquis is a drag queen, then Bro made his.

I think BB made my role.

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My point is that it seems manufactured.

Oh I'm aware. I just played dumb do I can get more direct opinion.

This does approximately nothing for me. I've now wanted to vote for nearly every post you have made.

Hmm. Cephrir... Which mod do you think made your role?
If Marquis is a drag queen, then Bro made his.

I think BB made my role.

What's your flavor if you don't mind me asking (and you think it doesn't explicitly lead to a role assumption)

I don't have any. Maybe that's the question I should be asking...

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I can't follow your train of thought.

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But it's okay, you have Handwritten Notes(tm), so you must be town.

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you pretended not to understand me because of "notetaking"?

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._.

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what in the ever loving fuck

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does dramonic win if he assigns all players to the correct roles or something or guesses the scumteam

should i be worried about this

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that's what someone harmful would say

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epicmafia werewolf?

pedit: no that would obviously not work

[Cephrir]

I'm not going to buy that as quickly as you would like to sell it to me

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Excuse me for not expecting someone to have a list of the roles in the game

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this is shucking bullfit.

[Cephrir]

that does not sound particularly true

[Cephrir]

You guys are taking a quirky fun setup and turning it into shit.

Can we just svum hunt?

Well, if the game is actually broken, we might as well just get it over with

[Cephrir]

You guys are taking a quirky fun setup and turning it into shit.

Can we just svum hunt?

Well, if the game is actually broken, we might as well just get it over with

If it's broken according to drams role, fine.

My problem is the "everyone out your roles, flavor, well assign a mod to it and go fron there," which while some roles might be that easy I doubt all are, so it's pointless.

I actually think that is not all that pointless, though it probably should be

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I'm not really willing to claim more about our role than we already have (re: Marquis & Cephrir requests) unless they are willing to give us more information as to why they need what they do. Information claiming is a give and take, and I'm not willing to give up things to people I'm not particularly reading as town just because they asked for it.

I'm not going to say any more than I have. The more info I get, the better, but it's okay if I don't get it from everyone right now.

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Oh.

vote:layla

Dont lynch her yet, but shes scum

I knew it!

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Also, I'm fairly certain I've located one of the people I'm interested in, but we'll find out.

you know how sketchy this is right

No. Why are you being so weird?

Cool.
I betcha you didn't know that we had info that the third party is a serial killer when you decided to "townside"!

So yes,

dram is a serial killer

Think hard about who you lynch today.
lyching me will cause two potential town death.
lynching dram will only cause one town death.
Layla out.

0/10 i have no reason to believe this

I do?
Hey, if more people want to softclaim so I can break the game im cool with it.

Might as well come clean... im a survivor who knows all the roles, rolenames and alignments.

I want to be kept safe and in exchange i offer infinite knowledge.

i cant help but feel as though it's possible there is no role that can protect you, because this outcome frankly seems quite obvious

that or you aren't a survivor!

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how do you feel about having pegasus30 as a scumbuddy

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i thought he didnt really carry his weight for our team tbh. though neither did you.

pretty shit scum theater with me. get angrier next time, dont let me brush you off

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also if dram wasnt saying nacho is town i would think he was massively scumtacular just fyi

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Yo ceph, do you trust me enough to give me an obscure rolename reference yet? I think i know what you are but itd be nice to be sure

no but i dont see the point in not

i have a modifier

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Yo ceph, do you trust me enough to give me an obscure rolename reference yet? I think i know what you are but itd be nice to be sure

no but i dont see the point in not

i have a modifier

Hm
Fair enough.
Itll do until conflicting evidence surfaces.

This was intended to be a 100% complete dead giveaway

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this is a terrible game for a newish playa

we're sorry

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It's a simple twist on something common.

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if dram wins when he sorts the last three and the game ends i refuse to feel bad about it because wtf

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Also I cant "leave the game". Id have to die or win. And if I win you do too.

then why arent you just town

[Cephrir]

is there any reason you havent told us your win condition yet

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why am i the only one who isnt taking everything at face value

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Well im a survivor. I could win with scum if I wanted an uphill battle

... ive said it like 10 times

And if I win you do too.

You're probably like that bad Werewolf role from epicmafia, designed by bbmolla.
You can consume and become deathproof if you correctly guess which role ties to whom.

Well played.

i already said this

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im not sure youre getting the part where i dont believe youre a survivor and/or that it's this easy

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im pretty hard pressed to argue with that honestly

guys i agree with the claimed scum

help

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although if there is a town roleblocker they could assuage my fears

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im so over this game

[Cephrir]

feels more like an anti-town 3p with a wtfish wincon

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soul, can you give me an actual reason not to lynch dram right now just in case that isn't "but we should be nice to him in reciprocation for him playing his role poorly"

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i honestly feel ~60% sure that dram is an epicmafia werewolf

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VOTE: dram

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ps

if im right and you didnt really process how the role works

we literally lose if we dont lynch him today bc he has so much info

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note: he also is told all roles in the game and chooses from them each night

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it doesnt say he's bulletproof at night but im pretty sure he is just btw

i could test that at some point

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i just dont see what is to be lost from playing it safe here other than omgfriendzies4eva

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and if the game is that silly then i dont see why anyone would even care whether they win it

i certainly wont

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im not being spiteful

i just dont believe any of these good mods created such a bad role without doing anything to fix it

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So you think one of the mods is trash?

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whatever i'll probably just sheep

i don't think ive ever cared so little about a mafia game

as long as i get to say i told you so

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im kind of butthurt because i waited and waited for a game that looked good to come along and this is unfun and stupid

VOTE: zipper

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i literally just noticed that i have a rolename

derp

yes dram you're right. im sorry my crumbs werent better, i thought my ability name was my role name and i have no idea how you figured it out with my useless crumbs

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Then I'll make this game a little bit harder.

If dram is not lynched today, then we will make sure dram is safe and not hindered by a redirect/possible protect.

Dram only needs one night to ensure a unstoppable victory since everyone claimed.

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I think BB made my role.

i have a modifier

That was sufficient really.
Although the fact you knew BB did your role while unaware of your flavour is amusing. I'm gonna assume it has to do with how your modifier works.

EDIT: OH DANG GIRL, THAT`S COLD!

it is difficult to read my role pm and not come away with the impression it has something to do with bbmolla

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im kind of butthurt because i waited and waited for a game that looked good to come along and this is unfun and stupid

VOTE: zipper

I have another game in the making when Smite is over, join that

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also, please concede

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sorry, go to steel tools if you want steel tools because that was the history of france

pedit: im pretty sure the mods are clutching their heads and crying at this point tbh

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formatting.

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Caution isn't being a dick :/

Sorry for assuming the mods didn't design a horrible role I guess