Mini 1684: Shucking Bullfit Mafia - Game Called

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/Confirm

~Mehdi

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Tammy can you explain exactly how the 1/81 thing works? That and who is bucket referring to?

~Mehdi

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~meow

Oversoul here

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Is there a reason why you're being vague on your post restriction, Tammy? Like how does using words to explain the town comment earlier not waste those words? As in if your restriction is along the lines of a limited amount of words to use then why would posting words now not be wasting them vs posting it later when it "matters".

~Mehdi

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Ok I'll ask this as directly as possible then. What is your word limit/post limit? Is it set though out the game or does it refresh each day? These were the questions I was trying to imply with "why you're being vague on your post restriction?" and that question remains true while your post restriction is unclear.

Or simply what's the exact rules of your post restriction or if you don't want to explain it then why not?

~Mehdi

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Related add on, if you do explain the rules of your post restriction then why was it not explained initially.

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I am opposed to massclaiming. However, I *might* benefit from a "role complexity" claim. If anyone's into that.

VOTE: Nacho.

I don't think we should mass claim, unless someone is a Town aligned Rolecop which are fairly rare in my opinion.

I would like to publicly state my long-standing theory that Layla is zoraster's wife.
/SleepyKrew's only post in the entire game ever

Layla has said she is an alt, so maybe Zor's alt so he can play games?

A little introduction is probably in order from me since this is my first non-newbie game here, so here it goes:
I'm A muffin, originally AssMuffin, apparently that was inappropriate or something so an Admin changed it to that. Call me Muffin or basically whatever you want, It doesnt bother me either way. I have a nasty habit of being lynched D1 when town so lets see if we can avoid that this game.
I have played a total of probably 5 games on and off site, and a bunch of real time games (RL, ToS, etc.)

Now that that's out of the way, I second what Dinare said, why the necessity of a massclaim?

lol
Brutal Assassin v2

also my role necessitates we massclaim asap day 1

tammy starts (no need to waste words protesting!)

Why do we need to massclaim, and why does tammy start?

Are these questions even really necessary?

Why wouldn't they be necessary?

~ Oversoul

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VOTE: Pegasus

tally ho!

~ Oversoul

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I agree with that post having no point, but I do not agree with it deserving a vote.

Why not?

If they tell me I won't be Penalized, I'll vote to prove I'm not crafty gambiting scary scum!

Why not just vote?

Cephrir -

so

rude.

~ Oversoul

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K, Muffin, to add to Hyperion's question do you have any opinion on Dinare's questions? Do you have an opinion on Pegasus's post? (if negative do you agree with Cephir, if not do you think Cephir's vote is reasonable, etc) Any thoughts on how Tammy is treating her post restriction? At this point there's enough to comment on that I complete disagree with this being standard RVS posting.

~Mehdi

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Dinare can you also explain why you asked the second question ("why does tammy start")?

Currently, me and os have a town read on tammy and hyperion. I currently also have a weak town read on Cephir.

P-edit: My opinion on Marquis is null. That's because the idea of a mass claim for his role will only make sense to me once he explains his role. That and the many questions towards you at the beginning were also due to you being the only person at the time who'd said anything besides confirm (technically nacho mentioned not getting 3rd party but I found a discussion with you to be more interesting then that 1 line).

~Mehdi

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Was I literally asked why not vote in response to me saying if I don't get penalized I will vote? Because it seems that question answers itself.

These are the types of things I will be ignoring or just referencing PSA to you people about.

This ones a freebie I don't know if I get penalized for voting when I've been told I don't have one. I've asked and will act accordingly, but since they won't tell me what happens if I break my pr I'm not going to just act without finding out.

In my experience, penalties for not following post restrictions result in escalating punishments, which often includes a loss of a vote. Was why I asked.

Slogan for the Pegaus wagon:

Be a peach

Vote: Pegasus



~ Oversoul out

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And one more question, Dinare. Is there nothing interesting to comment on besides the questions aimed at you? Why did your last post only respond to what was said about you?

~Mehdi

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I've never played in a game with someone with a post restricion, so I don't really have anything to say on that front, I'll get back on you once I read things about posting restrictions

Can you explain how reading about other post restrictions will help in analyzing Tammy?

Like there's 2 issues with every post restriction.

1. Do you think it is believable?
2. Do you think the way the player is treating it is town or scummy?

The second question knowledge doesn't really need knowledge about other post restrictions.

~Mehdi

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dramonic explain the marquis town read off of that one post?

I'll comment on claiming later. I want to discuss it with OS first.

~Mehdi

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That and I don't understand the maybe town read for Layla.

~Mehdi

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Marquis while you continue having your role crisis could you at least also comment on other things.

dramonic if you could elaborate more on layla that'd help. Currently although she has a decent number of posts they say little and sound cautious to me so I find her slightly scummy.

~Mehdi

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can you guys lynch the fuck out of this please. I just cannot take it if marquis is going to play this way.

more marquis votes please

I'd actually need a motivation to vote him though.

He's being annoying but annoying =/= scum motivated. Currently he's null to me and if your only argument is his repetitive posts about tammy claiming then I need an explanation as to why that's actually scummy.

~Mehdi

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Hmm. Cephrir... Which mod do you think made your role?
If Marquis is a drag queen, then Bro made his.

The "balance" in this game might be between 4 of each mod's role.

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I have a theory now
~ Oversoul

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never mind. ignore me! I'm dumb

~ Oversoul

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Hmm. Cephrir... Which mod do you think made your role?
If Marquis is a drag queen, then Bro made his.

I think BB made my role.

What's your flavor if you don't mind me asking (and you think it doesn't explicitly lead to a role assumption)

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Hmmmmm

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Talking with Mehdi hopefully will ge back to you

You are the third party I take it

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how do you know our role name explicitly like that

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If you're death note style SK I will be sad face

Please don't kill us until I have a chance to talk with Mehdi about stuff

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Dram if you're 3party are you mutually exclusive win condition to town

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Hmmmm

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FWIW Soul, I don't KNOW what your role does. I know what your role is because you crumbed really hard <_<

EDIT: Yeah no lynching me is a waste of ressource for everyone.

I gathered that much
The crumb wasn't even that strong but since you knew our role name existed in the first place it became a really strong crumb

Are you a lyncher? :/ I was expecting more creativity from the mods on the 3p side

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The creativity would have been worse if there was an SK option. But yeah, going to work be back later leaving some things for Mehdi to talk about if he deems it appropriate

Dean answer this
Was there a distinctive style within your options so that you could physically tell which mod made which role pm?

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What's your flavor

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Damn. Really?

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I'd like everyone to claim what mod their role came from. I'll explain the reasoning later (as in immediately after the mass mod role claiming is done), but for now I'd rather not elaborate. Oversoul already said our role is from AP. Cephir said his role is from BBMolla. Marquis can you confirm if your role is actually drag queen in which case that'd be Bro.

Soul2277: AP
Cephir: BBMolla
Marquis: Bro(?)

~Mehdi

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Well I'd like you to confirm whether the role was from Bro and if not who do you think it was from.

For people who don't know what mod your role is from I'd like any information that could help determine it. Like your role name/any potential flavor assuming it doesn't reveal anything (like our role name and what our role does are so barely related I doubt anyone could connect the 2).

~Mehdi

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I have absolutely no idea who wrote my role and I'm not really sure this will take us down anywhere productive because we can't be sure who wrote the roles.

For people who don't know what mod your role is from I'd like any information that could help determine it. Like your role name/any potential flavor assuming it doesn't reveal anything (like our role name and what our role does are so barely related I doubt anyone could connect the 2).

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Tammy if you give a reason why not then I'll argue that. I'm not going to argue no because no. I still want role flavor.

I'm also not the type to really do weird plans unless I have a strong reason to want them (like planning in marketplace, detectives, or dirty dealing). Trust me it'll be worthwhile (or complain to me vehemently once I explain the reasons for doing this later)

~M

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Soul you dont need that info

We just want flavor claims, not role claims, unless you a role in the game exists that would punish this?

~ Oversoul

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Well, we don't need your flavor claim to proceed, just makes it easier I suppose

~ Oversoul

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Again, flavor will give you little Soul and you cant tell the mods from the role besides cases like yours where its incredibly obvious or the mod are magnificent bastards.

That's really unfortunate then

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Well, we don't need your flavor claim to proceed, just makes it easier I suppose

~ Oversoul

What do you mean by proceed? What's your plan with the role flavor?

All of this shadiness from basically everyone sort of rubs me the wrong way

Ok. What Mehdi was talking about and what I was vaguely referencing earlier in the day was a plan to narrow down scum into three groups a la Mafia in Triplicate. How you say? Well, we know the composition of roles in this game. We know that each mod (BBmolla, AP, Bro) has made exactly 3 town roles, 1 scum role, and written 1 third party PM. That means for every mod group, there is exactly1 scum. As Dram is confirming, our role is very obviously made by AngryPidgeon. It references something in his personal life (sorry I searched your posts AP). When Dram said that Marquis was a drag queen (something that Bro would do) and Cephrir said he thought BBmolla made his role, I formulated a plan where we would all flavor claim so that we can divide the playerlist into three categories. This would mean if we got all of the categories right, lynching correctly within a group confirms the rest of the group as town. The only two issue with this plan were that it required people to out their flavor names, which had the potential to give scum/third party information and the potential for townies to mess up and somewhere down the line two scum ended up in the same category. But then Dram claimed, drawing the very same conclusion about our role as I did and that removed some of the danger about claiming (not an SK with some secret abilities).

Given what A Muffin has claimed, I think BBmolla made his role as it references an Open Setup that I think BBmolla created. I was expecting things minimalist in nature to be written by BBmolla, and things referencing AP's life to be made by AP. Don't really know what I was expecting from Bro. I've never played a game under him/read a modded game of his.

If Dram *does* have information that says this is futile given the information gleaned from the role flavor names, I will respect that opinion. I consider Dram, other than Mehdi and I, to be probably the only other player in this game capable of making that judgment (maybe the nonexistent SK+Nacho hydra).

Otherwise, we still consider this to be a very good idea. If Dram has all of the role flavor names in this game, then fakeclaims don't exist so the scum can't just claim something to put them into a category that they need (if 4 townies somehow claimed to be in a BBmolla category and then the scum needed something from AP's life or Broesque).

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Tammy, it isn't meant to be an insult to anyone. Not knocking your scumhunting or lack of ability, its just I never see you talking about setup stuff and I consider that to be very setup based plan

So, Dram, with the veil lifted... can you parse anymore roles?

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reserved. not like you guys vote at all

exactly... I made this comment to Mehdi but this game is decidely anti-bandwagon which is weird

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Barbie.

Is Bro's stuff just absuredly gay/fratty or something

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Layla's role is "that sound velcro makes". She's an odd-night commutizer. Her alignment is scum.

Need anything else?

What kind of monster designs your type of role

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Also, I'm fairly certain I've located one of the people I'm interested in, but we'll find out.

you know how sketchy this is right

yeah I was getting major third party/scum vibes from that post but Mehdi and I agree that Ceph is fairly town

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I can't exactly shake the feeling that this is some 3rd party bullshit that will end in town losing though lmao

The moment she flips not scum we lynch Dram so

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Mehdi is so spot on even after a hiatus. He didn't like Layla's posting at all but I wanted to bandwagon pegasus

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I mean...

I'm

ok with Dram being a leashed SK as long as he keeps providing us information, hell I would even go for a joint SK+Town win

Will discuss with mehdi

~ Oversoul

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Well

Time to place layla's role and then confirm 3 other people at the same time

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It's exciting. First time something that I've concocted has the chance to succeed

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I was very curious how scum would react when confronted. This is not the approach I expected XD

EDIT: well yes, but that doesnt mean I cant just out your buddies. I gave your entire role, what makes you think i cant out your buddies too?

You know who the scumteam is already?

What exactly is your wincondition

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That's a bad deal layla. Even if i were an sk, if we lynch scum every day we'd hit 4p with 3 town and me lets town lynch me.
Of course you could just shoot me out of vindication.

You know the roles and flavors.
You already know that oversoul's plan's not gonna work.

Why wouldn't it work?

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I do?
Hey, if more people want to softclaim so I can break the game im cool with it.

Might as well come clean... im a survivor who knows all the roles, rolenames and alignments.

I want to be kept safe and in exchange i offer infinite knowledge.

Are you lying now or were you lying before?

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Take your pick in that post.

Earlier you said you didn't know what our role does, but you knew the name. Now you say you know everything?

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As you're confirmed scum, any potential town killing role can deal with you. Plus you can always be lynched later and your lynch isn't going to be very informative anyways so I'd still prefer lynching someone else. Pegasus talking more would help. Dinare is also an ok candidate. Those are my only current scum reads.

~Mehdi

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That was a very quick scum catch, for what it is worth?
Anyone have an idea for which mod wrote that role? 3 people become town instantly.

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Mehdi and I have about half of the roles placed to their moderator.
If Layla was scum in the AP group, that is unfortunate. However, if she is a part of the Bro or BBmolla group that would be awesome!

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Bill

Lots has happened in the last day, trying to catch up.

I believe Dramonic when he says he can win with the town.

Tammy seems town to me, Cephrir gives me town vibes. Marquis, I'm mostly just confused by the way she's acting. I'm pretty sure she's under specific posting restrictions when it comes to why she insisted on a mass claim opening.

As to the whole Mod-claim thing, It makes sense in theory, but seeing as how I'm new to this site. I have no idea how I would go about figuring out who made my role. All I'm sure is that my mod is not the same mod that made Tammy's, or Marquis'

Probably BBmolla then
Is it simple/straight forward?

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actually i might as well claim the minute detail

i have no idea why but my role pm contains a reference to mattp - i also have no idea why but this makes me feel ap

Could be AP or BBmolla I would wager
Does the referenced bit lead to your role or not? Might be easier to narrow down if you could elaborate on what specifically it references

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As long as it does not lead to your role

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What happens when you're gone and you haven't given us all three names, Dram? Especially if you're a survivor like you claim?

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Then it is Marquis as one of the final two

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Marquis claim or we are lynching you

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Ceph why are you so chicken little? This game is over. Why are we even waiting? We know the scum is in Layla, Marquis, Pegasus, and Zipper. We should just get to lynching.

Pretty sure Zipper is the town one there

VOTE: Layla

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Link to EpicMafia werewolf?

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I mean nothing he's said has been wrong yet? Layla literally claimed scum.

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While I'd like to get information on pegasus and zipper honestly the only info would be which role they have and nothing else as dramonic has claimed everyone is town besides those 2 and layla already. So as there isn't anymore information we can pull out of him I think lynching him now is fine since his role is too unrealistic. I'm not sure a role that can townside with all that info is possible, but a survivor is definitely not so has to have some anti-town elements to have lied like that.

Thank you very much for all the info you gave though, dram, and now with that info I'm fine with him being lynched.

VOTE: dramonic

~Mehdi

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I think lynching him now is fine since his role is too unrealistic. I'm not sure a role that can townside with all that info is possible, but a survivor is definitely not so has to have some anti-town elements to have lied like that.

So you believe that he's the epicmafia werewolf with the flavor names and roles of every player in the game? And instead of just claiming that "my role needs flavor to work" or "I get people's role PMs if I correctly guess their flavor names" he gives us the entire scumteam?

I don't have any confidence his role is a werewolf. My issue isn't that his actions can be argued to fit a werewolf, but that I find the existence of a survivor with this much information to be completely ridiculous. As I don't believe his claim I think the reason he'd lie would be if there was some aspect to his role that's anti town in nature. I'd rather him die then risk dealing with whatever that is, especially now that he has given us all the information I wanted.

Nacho do you think his claim is believable and if so why? If not why would he lie if he actually wants to assist the town?

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^~Mehdi

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Nacho do you think his claim is believable and if so why? If not why would he lie if he actually wants to assist the town?

His claim is believable because of how he played it. He gave town perfect information: it makes sense that moderators didn't expect him to play this way because of how much trust it takes and how vulnerable it leaves him to a scumteam who is only going to be spite shooting. I don't know where he lied.

The lie I was referring to was just my lack of trust for his claim. UNVOTE: dramonic

I guess for now I'll wait for OS to be online and discuss it with him.

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Reviewing things a werewolf makes no sense actually due to dramonic's reaction to Marquis's claim and I'll accept being paranoid right now is dumb. dramonic is the zipper vote because zipper and pegasus are interchangeable?

~M

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K, VOTE: zipper

~M

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Reviewing things a werewolf makes no sense actually due to dramonic's reaction to Marquis's claim
~M

Until this is countered well, I don't believe he's a werewolf. Same with any other role that gets benefits from matching people. If the role list isn't involved in his win directly then it'd only make sense if it exists to help him stay alive. His actions can be argued to fit his role but most weird roles like a death note sk just wouldn't work. If he has a kill it should become clear really quickly as well so his actions also don't make sense for any role that can kill.

~M

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My only guess for what a warmonger is and the chances of this being correct aren't high, but a quick check on epic mafia shows there is a suggested role called warmonger which essentially is an inventor that hands out one shot day vigs. That's the only thing I've been able to find for that role and as its a suggested role it's not a high chance of being correct.

~M

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What if Dram is cult that can only cult certain roles?

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VOTE: Zipperfles
Easy mode: on

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Redirect Layla to Dram? And put a protection on him maybe?

Someone hammer for the love of god

Well two of them are scum
The rest are just dumb

Since I am lazy