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Post Post #115 (isolation #0) » Sun May 24, 2015 5:29 am

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hai

yeah. i was telling ank all the time bbt was scum, as well that it was best to lynch reg, but he lynched ces for whatever reason. too bad, we would have 3 wins :/

anyway, this was fun.
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Post Post #136 (isolation #1) » Sun May 24, 2015 7:49 pm

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In post 134, Ankamius wrote:I haven't read a single post in that game.
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Post Post #138 (isolation #2) » Sun May 24, 2015 7:57 pm

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i enjoyed reading most of the nightless though! and a little white flag
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Post Post #140 (isolation #3) » Sun May 24, 2015 8:02 pm

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That's not what I said; I just didn't agree your play was scummie-worthy.
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Post Post #152 (isolation #4) » Tue May 26, 2015 10:58 am

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god save the black goo are at 1-1

others are correct
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Post Post #154 (isolation #5) » Tue May 26, 2015 1:26 pm

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neh

3-1 for everybody
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Post Post #179 (isolation #6) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:16 am

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blah. I don't like that there's a 4-0 no matter what happens. I wanted a 3-1 for everyone
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Post Post #202 (isolation #7) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:40 am

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In post 197, xRECKONERx wrote:or people basically voting if they think Cockettes or Indecisive should win.

Or Y&B, they are still 4-0 regardless of the normal's outcome
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Post Post #208 (isolation #8) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:43 am

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In post 200, xRECKONERx wrote:stop posting so much

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Post Post #217 (isolation #9) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:55 am

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In post 212, Metal Sonic wrote:look at ika provide the only scum win in team mafia 2015

ika and ank, that is
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Post Post #225 (isolation #10) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:59 am

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In post 221, Metal Sonic wrote:To be fair to ank, he wasn't the hammer/conftown

he still should have never lynched ces over reg.

pedit: but yeah blaming is pointless now
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Post Post #235 (isolation #11) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:03 am

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i personally blame ank because he didnt listen to me, not ika, but it doesnt change the fact that ika quickhammered without much thinking.
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Post Post #251 (isolation #12) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:22 am

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In post 244, Metal Sonic wrote:You had the scum fucking up their fake claims to work with.

This. The game was only won because scum fucked up their claims: Tier claimed a thought process to go with his role that was just not possible, and shos fucked up completely and doomed both grey and himself.

Without those fuck-ups I don't know if we would have won.
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Post Post #257 (isolation #13) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:29 am

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Because he was doing nothing and was not replacing out. You cannot play a game with people like that.
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Post Post #263 (isolation #14) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:33 am

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I know, which is why I kept telling him to replace out as well as being against his lynch when it happened. But I don't hold it against the town because it's understandable that you can't keep such slots alive in the game.
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Post Post #270 (isolation #15) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:39 am

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Also I really appreciate the input mastin brought to my game via ns. She was accurate on both grey and Tier, and if it weren't for that push on Tier I am not sure if I would have ultimately agreed with the wagon on him that resulted in his crappy fakeclaim.
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Post Post #274 (isolation #16) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:41 am

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In post 266, Metal Sonic wrote:If the town in the normal loses, though. Gestalt is 4-0.

Nope, they're 3-1.

Young and Beautiful are 4-0, and win if town loses the normal.
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Post Post #282 (isolation #17) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:45 am

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I hope town wins as well.
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Post Post #298 (isolation #18) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:59 am

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That would force teams to potentially recruit people who they don't like/don't work well with. I much prefer it the way it was - "we need a replacement for x game, who do we know that could handle this? Let's ask him."
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Post Post #302 (isolation #19) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:01 am

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I don't get what is your point against the replacement system as it was, MS. What is wrong with people selecting who they want for their team?
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Post Post #307 (isolation #20) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:04 am

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oh yeah, forgot about the Elk lynch - another bad choice when they could have lynched reg or even ces to get it out of the way.
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Post Post #310 (isolation #21) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:08 am

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That was not a case of a team picking whoever they want, that was a case of the game swap, which is a different matter.
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Post Post #321 (isolation #22) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:13 am

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You simply cannot keep track of every single player's history and blacklists in an event with so many players involved.
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Post Post #337 (isolation #23) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:21 am

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In post 328, Metal Sonic wrote:1) current replacement system is skewed greatly towards townsided, because town will benefit more for choosing an appropriate replacement while scum usually don't because "too unethical" or "lurking is a scum tactic" or whatever reason

I think scum could just as easily use that to their benefit to recruit strong scum players or do appropriate WIFOM switches. The fact it didn't happen enough doesn't make the system bad.

2) Reck mentioned how players with conflicts were able to hop into a game while others lacked the privilege, effectively trapping the other into a simply toxic game state (do I have your plea correct?)

What would be different in your proposed system? Say Grey was first in a replacement list and a team in Reck's game needed a replacement. Wouldn't that force Grey and Reck in the same game? Even worse, say Reck's team needed a replacement - your system would force them in the same team!
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Post Post #361 (isolation #24) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:49 am

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dont think a banner that will just last half a year is that important a prize to get so serious about
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Post Post #538 (isolation #25) » Tue Jun 09, 2015 8:15 am

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In post 421, Ankamius wrote:
In post 235, Wisdom wrote:i personally blame ank because he didnt listen to me, not ika, but it doesnt change the fact that ika quickhammered without much thinking.


You're really fucking unbelievable, you know that?


Sorry, that came out harsher than I intended. I understand the lylo pressure and CES was pretty scummy, so I don't think that you played bad or anything, you went for a lynch of a player that was very likely scum. It's just that a little more thinking on both your part and ika's would make you realize that Reg was a better lynch than CES no matter what. I think you said it yourself that CES-BBT was impossible; that made a regfan lynch a nobrainer.

I feel bitter about it because I was accurate on both BBT and Regfan and I really wanted us to go 4-0, so seeing you making the suboptimal choice and that costing us the fourth win leaves me sad. Obviously it is just a game and I won't hold it against you; this was just this bitterness of me showing in that post.
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Post Post #539 (isolation #26) » Tue Jun 09, 2015 8:16 am

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In post 427, Kagami wrote:I wouldn't mind seeing the cockettes win purely for being a solid team that didn't need replacements.

Indecisive didn't either?
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Post Post #541 (isolation #27) » Tue Jun 09, 2015 8:27 am

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I believe Kagami's point was that they should win because they didn't need replacements, but that's true for Indecisive too
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Post Post #542 (isolation #28) » Tue Jun 09, 2015 8:30 am

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In post 427, Kagami wrote:4. Point system determines victor. +10 points for winning a game, -3 points for swapping teammates between games, -2 points for replacing a teammate. Special penalties for things like the nacho slip (-5 points or w/e). Any tiebreaking system we apply here if town wins the normal is going to be flawed; I wouldn't mind seeing the cockettes win purely for being a solid team that didn't need replacements.

Like, based on her system both teams would have 40 points after a townwin in the normal so it would still need a tiebreaker
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Post Post #544 (isolation #29) » Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:47 am

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I don't think either of the other two teams were better than you but that's not the point here. Kagami was suggesting that her system counters the need for a tiebreaker when it doesn't is the point
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Post Post #555 (isolation #30) » Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:18 pm

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are you trolling? Then why hasnt trojan hammered? egg and sthar are crossvoting
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Post Post #559 (isolation #31) » Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:22 pm

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yeah delta's dead, it's 3p lylo and egg/sthar are crossvoting. Trojan posted and didn't hammer. I don't really think the last game of team mafia is the place to troll?

I do think Nacho is probably trolling us though
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Post Post #564 (isolation #32) » Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:06 pm

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its more like I wish you had lynched one of them like I told you to rather than i blame you for it, it's just we were having a blame discussion so it came out like that

it was your game, it's not like i can fault you for doing your thing
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Post Post #588 (isolation #33) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:47 am

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In post 577, wgeurts wrote:If he's town and he gets the final scum, I think the cockettes wil win.

You can still win even if he gets it right, as can Indecisive
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Post Post #598 (isolation #34) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:08 am

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are you sure its not egg?
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Post Post #603 (isolation #35) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:11 am

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In post 11, Llamarble wrote:13P mini could have gone so much better for scum... Egg did not want to vote for Thor but scum forced him to by making the alternative a no-lynch. If Thor had been around / voted TH, or if Sthar had switched, they could've lynched town, killed pieguy, and been ahead.


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Post Post #604 (isolation #36) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:11 am

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So, congratz Young and Beautiful.
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Post Post #623 (isolation #37) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:26 am

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Final team results (assuming Egg townflip):

Young and Beautiful: 4-0

Blue, Meth, Blade and Associates: 3-1
Confectionery Animals: 3-1
Gestalt: 3-1
Indecisive: 3-1
The Cockettes: 3-1
The Leftovers: 3-1
The Unviggable Vegetables: 3-1
The Westeros Circlejerk: 3-1

God Save the Black Goo: 2-2
Marshmallow: 2-2
Sickeningly Sweet: 2-2
TBD: 2-2
team nocaps: 2-2
TEAM WITH NO NAME: 2-2
The Athenians: 2-2
The Captains: 2-2
The Hitmen: 2-2

Peruvian Flute Band: 1-3

The Kliq: 0-4
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Post Post #626 (isolation #38) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:32 am

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What do evaluations matter? There's no tie
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Post Post #631 (isolation #39) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:34 am

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nvm I guess they will matter for the overall ranking
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Post Post #638 (isolation #40) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:38 am

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In post 637, Metal Sonic wrote:In conclusion: to win, everyone must be town

the winning team wasn't all town
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Post Post #649 (isolation #41) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:45 am

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Look at this, MS:

100%

Young and Beautiful - 1 scum

75%

Blue, Meth, Blade and Associates - 2 scum
The Westeros Circlejerk - 2 scum
The Unviggable Vegetables - 2 scum
Gestalt - 1 scum
Confectionary Animals - all town
The Leftovers - all town
Indecisive - all town
The Cockettes - all town

Only 4/9 of the top teams were all town
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Post Post #669 (isolation #42) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:13 am

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the result is the same even if trojan was scum :P
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Post Post #711 (isolation #43) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:46 am

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we knew what he's flipping man, that's why
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Post Post #713 (isolation #44) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:47 am

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