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[BROseidon]

That's not learning. "Don't lie as town" is something you learn in newbie games.

Sometimes lying as town is the right thing to do....5% of the time. Yeah it has to be under certain circumstances and the player better know what he/she is doing.

One of the funniest sequences ever:

1) Gif fake claims miller as IC
2) AA9 uses her 1-shot cop on Gif
3) AA9 claims the cop inno at the start of day 2.
4) Gif reveals IC status because everyone was going "wtf this makes no sense"

[BROseidon]

I've lied about having a guilty on someone. At least twice. (Okay both slots were mastin hydras) They were town and scum won the game because of it.

Of course the difference here is that I was scum because THERE IS NO GOOD FUCKING REASON FOR TOWN TO FAKE GUILTIES

everyone who says that gambits sometimes work is right--- but that doesn't justify it. If you randomly shoot a stranger in the head, sure they MIGHT have been a child molester. But more likely, you just murdered an innocent person and now you're going to prison.

If you have to fake a guilty as town YOU ARE PLAYING BADLY. Find another way to push the lynch you want. Faking a guilty as town shows a lack of imagination as well as teamwork. DONT FUCKING DO IT. NOT TODAY NOT TOMORROW NOT NEVER. It is an OBJECTIVELY STUPID THING TO DO.

But people want to be crazy and gambit-ey like you!

Except they don't understand that you are able to gambit and pull crazy shit as town because you know what the fuck you are doing and what the correct standard play is.

[BROseidon]

That's not learning. "Don't lie as town" is something you learn in newbie games.

Sometimes lying as town is the right thing to do....5% of the time. Yeah it has to be under certain circumstances and the player better know what he/she is doing.

One of the funniest sequences ever:

1) Gif fake claims miller as IC
2) AA9 uses her 1-shot cop on Gif
3) AA9 claims the cop inno at the start of day 2.
4) Gif reveals IC status because everyone was going "wtf this makes no sense"

I love AA9 to death, but copping a claimed miller is incredibly pointless.

No T no shade, but both times I've seen AA9 as cop she's picked very bad targets...

[BROseidon]

Dude, you just made a thread asking about why people WOTC you.

Your gameplay is going to be analyzed as a result.

[BROseidon]

Pretty sure faking VT as doctor is just standard...

[BROseidon]

I've seen a game (NY167 - this is my assessment of it, YMMV) where a town player faked a guilty and it wound up completely fucking the scum team (who otherwise were in a really good position with a majority of players being lost in The Mist) in the ass bc they all tripped over themselves trying to get out of it and then it snowballed from there. I've also seen a game (Pokemon) where someone faked a guilty and it fucked the whole game. what I'm saying is kind of self-fulfilling in that it amounts to "it's only acceptable if you're right" - but there are some situations where it can be beneficial, if the person who is doing it actually knows how to make that kind of judgement

That's not what happened in 167.

[BROseidon]

To be completely clear, since 167 keeps coming up:

Scum lost because a player had questionable reads that were at best based on a trust tell and at worst were straight up cheating (the cheating inference was drawn during the game by myself and enough other members of the scum team to have it looked into), as well as at least one townie and people who weren't even a part of the game. That player put the exact correct scum team in play and built the argument for it such that the scum team had very little room to navigate.

I don't think without Likeabauss's magically perfect reads the fake guilty works, especially because RC drew TIP's counterclaim that would have been proven right on a sangres lynch.

[BROseidon]

there was a game a long time ago where, as far as I've heard (I haven't read it, someone correct me if I'm wrong) Cabd faked a cop inno on ffery bc ffery is just that easy to read and she was being run up anyway for nonsense reasons

that is an example of what I would consider a valid faked result. it only happened because the person doing it was competent enough to be able to be entirely objective about it

all I'm saying here is that there are people who are capable of doing it in certain situations. I'm not saying it shouldn't be extremely rare (as in, almost never happen), but flat-out ruling it out 100% of the time is incorrect.

Faking an inno isn't as bad as faking a guilty, especially if you have the ability to pivot later and redact the claim.

It's why DGB's fake claim of mason with Dramonic in 165 wasn't completely terrible, only mostly terrible.

[BROseidon]

And PA once faked an inno on Cabd; it didn't go so well.

That was a mason fakeclaim with the other mason dead and penguin getting shot after crumbing it. It's a bit different.