Mini 1663: Rick and Morty Mafia (Game Over)

Aristophanes · Post Post #1175 (ISO) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 12:36 am

In post 1174, Jingle wrote:!Also, RBD, if kthx is scum we just lost the game, so....

^^^

Whomever this scum team is, I applaud your commitment to play dumb right until I flip!
Honestly, the anticipation is killing me!

Well, the votes to lynch me killed me, but you know what I mean!

Antihero · Post Post #1176 (ISO) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 3:03 am

yep, aristophanes is town and the scum team of jingle, killerjester, and kthnxbye win the game

gg to all. except jingle. that guy sucks.

Antihero · Post Post #1177 (ISO) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 3:07 am

In post 1148, Titus wrote:If you are town, this mod does not get NAR.

thing is, NAR doesn't really cover situations like this. this is one of those toss-up "paradox" things. as a mod, i wouldn't treat vanillaizer like a roleblocker and make the action fail so that's how i resolved it. but i'm not kiwieagle and i don't know what his intent was.

this is why it's so important for game designers to get this straight WHEN THEY'RE DESIGNING THE GAME and BE UP FRONT WITH THE PLAYERS ON HOW THEIR ACTIONS RESOLVE.

Elbirn · Post Post #1178 (ISO) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 4:16 am

In post 1176, Antihero wrote:yep, aristophanes is town and the scum team of jingle, killerjester, and kthnxbye win the game

gg to all. except jingle. that guy sucks.

I should really stop playing this game, I consistently singlehandedly lose games for my faction.

Goodbye everyone, I'll remember you all in therapy!

Kthxbye · Post Post #1179 (ISO) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 4:19 am

gg all.

especially RBD. you were spot on and nobody listened.

killerjester · Post Post #1180 (ISO) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:32 am

Kthx was a 1-shot 'simulator' which he used to force Heartless to target scum N1.
I was Evil-Morty, and could control RBD to perform the scumkill each night. I controlled him to kill Elbirn every freaking night but was prevented by various means. N1 RIP guarded him, N2 d3x swapped with RBD but I was jailed so our kill failed.

I almost fakeclaimed Morty when Elbirn was Mortyfishing but decided against it out of paralyzing fear.

GG to all. I think the massclaim hurt town a lot more than it helped and definitely made the game boring.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #1181 (ISO) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:40 am

Jingle's claim was actually pretty lynchworthy. Yours was too to a lesser degree. I just didn't do it like I should've. X\

Sonic Boom · Post Post #1182 (ISO) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:47 am

In post 1177, Antihero wrote:
In post 1148, Titus wrote:If you are town, this mod does not get NAR.

thing is, NAR doesn't really cover situations like this. this is one of those toss-up "paradox" things. as a mod, i wouldn't treat vanillaizer like a roleblocker and make the action fail so that's how i resolved it. but i'm not kiwieagle and i don't know what his intent was.

this is why it's so important for game designers to get this straight WHEN THEY'RE DESIGNING THE GAME and BE UP FRONT WITH THE PLAYERS ON HOW THEIR ACTIONS RESOLVE.

Except there is no paradox. Things that happen to other players resolve before the actions they take. Just because it is an op roleblocker doesn't mean it should violate NAR.

Sonic Boom · Post Post #1183 (ISO) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:48 am

Still mod clarification would have helped.

No regrets here. I did have the setup mostly right, and if not for NAR issues, I would have joined RBD.

Antihero · Post Post #1184 (ISO) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:04 am

ok, now i see what you're saying and yes, that was an error. my apologies, i am not familiar with NAR and i personally don't use it as a mod. the vanillaize should've resolved before the vote steal.

Rainbowdash · Post Post #1185 (ISO) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:20 am

I actually thought we had lost right there until Aristo started acting like he was scum and it was kthnx-KJ-Titus/lufan at that point because I didn't think KJ would have made that move as town. The fact that and even if Aristo was scum he was forced to buss kthnx tomorrow meaning I had one less town to convince was more, but the Aristo wagon actually scared me into not voting him.

killerjester wrote:I was Evil-Morty, and could control RBD to perform the scumkill each night. I controlled him to kill Elbirn every freaking night but was prevented by various means. N1 RIP guarded him, N2 d3x swapped with RBD but I was jailed so our kill failed.

How? I was vanilla so had no abilities past N1 outside of extreme bastard modding.

Antihero · Post Post #1186 (ISO) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:21 am

In post 1185, Rainbowdash wrote:How? I was vanilla so had no abilities past N1 outside of extreme bastard modding.

oh yeah, that was a nice little surprise mod note. vanillaizing you didn't actually strip you of your "you make the scum kill" status.

Rainbowdash · Post Post #1187 (ISO) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:24 am

In post 1186, Antihero wrote:
In post 1185, Rainbowdash wrote:How? I was vanilla so had no abilities past N1 outside of extreme bastard modding.

oh yeah, that was a nice little surprise mod note. vanillaizing you didn't actually strip you of your "you make the scum kill" status.

So awesome... bastard modding as well because of...

kiwieagle wrote:The magic of Science! has vanillalized you. Any powers you previously held have been taken.

Nice to know mod was directly lying to players.

Titus · Post Post #1188 (ISO) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 7:05 am

RBD, I don't think anyone should feel ashamed for this loss, and the scum team played well.

Aristophanes · Post Post #1189 (ISO) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 7:08 am

It could be rationalized that it was not your power, but KJ's. Which caused this, depending if it was to control you, your role name, or your actual role.

Anti, thanks again for taking over.
Even if there were a few bumps along the road, you did your best with what you got.

I had fun guys.
Well, Night Action Spec post-massclaim was boring when it took over the game, and I think it may have cost us (these are the reasons I opposed to the massclaim in the first place). And without knowing how the mod intricacies worked, it really muddled us up badly.

I'd like to play with you all again (even RBD, despite what annoyances I had at the end there).

Titus wrote:RBD, I don't think anyone should feel ashamed for this loss, and the scum team played well.

I agree fully

killerjester · Post Post #1190 (ISO) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 8:51 am

Yea that's what kiwi told me. He lost whatever modifiers were in his role PM (compulsive, unblockable) but the ability to control him was tied to my role. I think if RBD wasn't turned vanilla then the Elbirn kill would've gone through N1.

killerjester · Post Post #1191 (ISO) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 8:55 am

I mean the mod originally listed him as dead and then probably realized it wasn't an unblockable kill anymore.

Jingle · Post Post #1192 (ISO) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 8:58 am

Hey, so I was confscum on the last day. If I hadn't been lying D1, the game COULD NOT HAVE CONTINUED.

I'm just gonna admit that I was fucking terrified for the entire day that someone would realize that and you'd lynch me. It was actually the main reason I votestole kthx, apart from the plan when I saw my role PM to votesteal a scumbuddy.

Elbirn · Post Post #1193 (ISO) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:33 am

Yeah I don't disagree at all with the rationale that rbd could still be manipulated. The vanillaize needed to be on kj to stop that.

RIP · Post Post #1194 (ISO) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 10:00 am

Lol what a horrible team.
How was jingle alive so late? Wow
We lost this game the moment I protected elbirn and died. Not sure if I was targeted or I stopped the kill with my death.
<MVP town.

RIP · Post Post #1195 (ISO) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 10:04 am

In post 1180, killerjester wrote:Kthx was a 1-shot 'simulator' which he used to force Heartless to target scum N1.
I was Evil-Morty, and could control RBD to perform the scumkill each night. I controlled him to kill Elbirn every freaking night but was prevented by various means. N1 RIP guarded him, N2 d3x swapped with RBD but I was jailed so our kill failed.

I almost fakeclaimed Morty when Elbirn was Mortyfishing but decided against it out of paralyzing fear.

GG to all. I think the massclaim hurt town a lot more than it helped and definitely made the game boring.

I knew you guys would target him so I made sure to make u guys think he would not be protected, worked pretty good.

Jingle · Post Post #1196 (ISO) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 11:09 am

In post 1194, RIP wrote:Lol what a horrible team.
How was jingle alive so late? Wow
We lost this game the moment I protected elbirn and died. Not sure if I was targeted or I stopped the kill with my death.
<MVP town.

Honestly we didn't want to kill you because we knew you were a mislynch waiting to happen. Frankly the worst thing town did this game was let me dictate actions on n1. The game wasn't broken by mass claim, but you let me make mass claim a force for scum.

Elbirn · Post Post #1197 (ISO) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 11:49 am

In post 1194, RIP wrote:Lol what a horrible team.
How was jingle alive so late? Wow
We lost this game the moment I protected elbirn and died. Not sure if I was targeted or I stopped the kill with my death.
<MVP town.

You are not an enjoyable person for the record.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #1198 (ISO) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 12:16 pm

In post 1196, Jingle wrote:
In post 1194, RIP wrote:Lol what a horrible team.
How was jingle alive so late? Wow
We lost this game the moment I protected elbirn and died. Not sure if I was targeted or I stopped the kill with my death.
<MVP town.

Honestly we didn't want to kill you because we knew you were a mislynch waiting to happen. Frankly the worst thing town did this game was let me dictate actions on n1. The game wasn't broken by mass claim, but you let me make mass claim a force for scum.

d3x targeting us was supposed to be the failsafe against roleblock/redirect.

Jingle · Post Post #1199 (ISO) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 12:37 pm

D3x was never gonna target you though. He was one of the people who were going to ignore me and do something else. So was RIP. I may be shit at reading alignments but I'm pretty good at reading people.