Micro 483: The Phantom Menace ABANDONED

[Green Crayons]

@Mod:

during the motion phase, does the VC call only one motion at a time - so each day phase is simply a up/down vote on a single player?

[Green Crayons]

I didn't really like TTH's brazen turning away all VC aspirations. Dooku also did that, but TTH did it first. So.

Wouldn't be surprised if one of the self voters for VC was scum, so I guess it's not particularly helpful.

[Green Crayons]

Not really.

Just thoughts on how I think scum would've tried approaching the voting phrase.

Surprisingly, the answer was: varied.

[Green Crayons]

Oh.

SC.

My bad.

[Green Crayons]

Stupid new fangled acronyms. *fist shake*

[Green Crayons]

Well vett really wanted to be SC.

Self vote? Check: Post 25.
Causal offer of quid pro quo? Check: Post 41.
Nonchalant endorsement of a VC candidate (TTH) who had previously offered to support-for-SC any supporters? Check: Post 62
Ribbing of the opposition candidate? Check: Post 62.
Walking back that ribbing? Check: Post 65.

[Green Crayons]

The same person can't be SC and VC.

So......what's your point?

SC is scum-coveted position for obvious long term benefits.

Looking for potential ways in which scum would act towards that position is where I'm starting with scum hunting.

[Green Crayons]

Well vett really wanted to be SC.

Self vote? Check: Post 25.
Causal offer of quid pro quo? Check: Post 41.
Nonchalant endorsement of a VC candidate (TTH) who had previously offered to support-for-SC any supporters? Check: Post 62
Ribbing of the opposition candidate? Check: Post 62.
Walking back that ribbing? Check: Post 65.

Oh, this is odd because it's juxtaposed with:

And you started off voting for yourself as a placeholder vote

[Green Crayons]

What I'm saying is that I'm a yea vote on vett.

[Green Crayons]

As is your right, Representative Heart.

And thanks!

[Green Crayons]

I already clarified that I was talking about SC, not VC.

[Green Crayons]

Also, TTH, I too have played with vett and my experience with him does not cause me concern w/r/t my voiced suspicions.

[Green Crayons]

Alrighty, so VC is actually more powerful than I initially understood him to be.

Not inclined to give the VC that many motions to consider, so his rejection of motions has actual weight (versus "ofc course I rejected that motion - along with 7 others!).

[Green Crayons]

ooooh,

interesting

!

[Green Crayons]

I concur in the judgment of my esteemed colleague Representative Mainez.

[Green Crayons]

I'm bored, too.

[Green Crayons]

I move to close debate and to bring a motion to the floor.

Let's terminate vett's position and see what happens.

[Green Crayons]

Yeah, I accept that premise: self voting is inherently town.

For example, I myself would've pushed hard for SC position.

That said, I think some of the actions I observed in 106 are a bit suspicious - e.g., endorsing TTH for seemingly *oh look TTH is cool* reasons, but in actuality TTH had already promised to endorse-for-SC anyone who endorsed her for VC.

Also, I explained in Post 108 why I think your push for SC nomination was suspicious. That is, you at first played it low key, like it wasn't even a thing ("placeholder"), but then it grew into an "of course town will self vote" justification.

[Green Crayons]

So thoughts on the benefits of the chambers night talk?

[Green Crayons]

having trouble contributing, someone ask me something

Who is scum?

[Green Crayons]

I'm going to vote yea on anyone who gets put up to lynch on D1.

Because lynch everything.

Preference is Vett > Dooku > Bulge > Flames

I think that order best fits Oman's "sweet spot of talking enough to give us information, but not talking so much as to destroy the conversation when they're removed."

[Green Crayons]

@Bulge:

That's just the same as a FoS vs. an actual vote.

FoS, gauge interest, then when you realize there isn't much, you pull an explanation out of your ass.

I'm not saying it was a bad explanation in itself, I just don't think it was genuine. Not sure if that's necessarily scum-mindset but igmeou.

Under your theory, if there

was

interest in Bulge suspicions - rather than the opposite scenario which you say took place (there wasn't interest) - what would TTH-scum have done differently, here?

[Green Crayons]

VOTE: TTH

I don't think paraphrasing is appropriate at this time, because I want to see how the day develops without that input for now.

I do think voting TTH is appropriate as this time.

[Green Crayons]

V/LA & phone access only until Monday.

If this game even survives that long.

Heh.

[Green Crayons]

IDGI

VOTE: GC

[Green Crayons]

I think GC is town. Vote GC. Vote town.


p sure everyone else forgot this game existed.

[Green Crayons]

I find Ax to be town. I'm fine with him in the role for now.

Did anyone else actually neighbor with anyone?

[Green Crayons]

So really there are no kills?

[Green Crayons]

Motion to remove Count Dooku

I would also be immensely supportive of a Mainez motion.

Why x2?

[Green Crayons]

wom wom

really?

[Green Crayons]

Jesus, dudes and dudettes. 3 days.

[Green Crayons]

Motion to remove Count Dooku

I would also be immensely supportive of a Mainez motion.

Why x2?

[Green Crayons]

@mod:

as VC, can I propose a motion that is subject to my powers of bringing to the floor?

[Green Crayons]

I don't like how harshly you reacted to Bulge's statements aimed at you, TTH. Calling it self serving drivel or the like (phone posting while visiting my folks) isn't valid.

It's an overreaction at least

. I think you're clouded by this "you are scum a day everything you say is lying manipulation" filter that you've set before your eyes. Bulge's comments to you could have been made by a townie, in innocence, though (from your perspective as a "confirmed town") mistaken.

How/Why?

[Green Crayons]

So, for clarification, you think Bulge's comments which incited TTH's response were baseless and speculative, but not alignment-indicative baseless and speculative?

[Green Crayons]

Well, I do see a tenor of TTH mis-reacting to your criticism of her play, but I disagree with respect to TTH's reaction to Bulge.

I also disagree that Bulge's accusation was not valuable for alignment. I found Bulge's push on TTH to be confusing and not really logically coherent. Handwaving that as simply a "mid-day-one" case is an absurdly easy out that excuses suspicious play.

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I want to know why he wants to get rid of Dooku and Mainez.

[Green Crayons]

I don't get why I'm getting shit for this when Flames has just as many posts as I do but with even less content. Just saying. [/deflection]

Putting a lampshade of the fact that he's deflecting doesn't make it any less suspicious. It just makes him self aware.

[Green Crayons]

Flames is a lazy lynch. As in, oh wow this is a half-dead game trying to be resuscitated; I am shocked,

shocked

to learn that someone hasn't posted absolutely anything.

I won't be bringing a Flames vote to the floor.

[Green Crayons]

Mainez is also a bad lynch for the reasons voiced in this thread. To point:

Axxle and Bulge, pls kindly explain why you guys wanna remove me

Because you scum slipped with the no kill knowledge.

This suspicion will likely be disproven tonight, as I find it unlikely that this is a game lacking NKs.

We can revisit if there are no NKs for several consecutive nights, but using this as a justification for a D2 lynch is weaksauce.

I'm supporting a Mainez removal. Seems to have too much information,

non-committally dropping scumreads

, all that kind of stuff.

Meh. This is pretty fluff. Care to actually put some substance to this?


I most likely won't be bringing a Mainez vote to the floor.

[Green Crayons]

@Mod:

what's the situation with a Flames prod/replacement?

[Green Crayons]

I personally think Dooku isn't a bad candidate, but I'm not sure if he is the best. I am favoring Bulge. I am open to anything that has been more persuasive than the nothing that I've seen so far.

[Green Crayons]

Well.

I know UT has replaced out of his games because IRL. Unsure how that affects his time for this game.

I also know Bulge is busy because IRL. I don't think that makes him scum, but I do think that - between Bulge and Dooku - it counsels me to bring the Bulge motion to the floor because Bulge is looking like he isn't going to be very active in the future. And this game is on life support as is.

Dooku hasn't exactly been the standard for activity, either, but I've already made clear my preference.

Thus, with 6 hours until deadline (no idea if it just goes into a no lynch or what), and under the assumption that this game isn't completely dead,

I call the motion to remove The Bulge to the floor.

[Green Crayons]

Oh, we didn't do this last time, but is this what we're doing:

Once the Vice Chancellor calls a motion to the floor, open debate ceases. The Vice Chancellor may call on people to have the floor and say their peace, then may call the vote.

???

If so,

I call Bulge to the floor to say his peace

.

Basically I'm voting yea because of TTH's case.

You can respond to that if you want I guess.

[Green Crayons]

Oh I thought it was just Bulge gets one post and then the vote happens.

this game

I call a vote on the motion to remove Bulge.

[Green Crayons]

Okay how about this. Because jeeze this game.

Feel free to post anything you want (including who you think is scum), in particular if you're so inclined address your D1 suspicions on TTH and her reaction.

In 48 hours from this moment or your first post, whichever happens first, I will then call a vote on the motion to remove Bulge unless if there is some monumental item that requires addressing.

[Green Crayons]

Okay how about this. Because jeeze this game.

@Bulge:

Feel free to post anything you want (including who you think is scum), in particular if you're so inclined address your D1 suspicions on TTH and her reaction.

In 48 hours from this moment or your first post, whichever happens first, I will then call a vote on the motion to remove Bulge unless if there is some monumental item that requires addressing.

EBWOP

[Green Crayons]

I call a vote on the motion to remove Bulge.

[Green Crayons]

nope