2016 US Presidential Election Thread

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trump 2016

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damn son, monkey has been scumming since he was born

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sux gary johnson will never get elected

the only thing i disagree with his stance is national healthcare

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wheres hotcat when u need him

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first we need voting reform so we can actually have an effective congress... the presidential election is a popularity contest that doesn't make much difference in the long run

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especially for example: obama's exec order to force guantanamo to follow army procedures for torture... he wasn't able to actually close it down like he said in his 2008 election because congress threatened to cut funding to all his shit

exec orders can be rescinded by the next president - i.e. no actual lasting impact

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vermin supreme 2016

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you gotta hand it to the guy, hes charming in an arrogant kind of way.

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whaat? you mean its not actually helpful to spout idealism?

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Yes, everyone on welfare is looking for a job.

'welfare queen' is mostly a myth. the original usage of the term was due to a lying, psychopathic, thief, and of course, racism in the reagan administration

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... llain.html

also, have you ever even seen what welfare actually gives you? my mom received $120/month in SNAP benefits to feed 3 children while working a 50 hr/wk job at $8.75.

to keep receiving benefits, they REQUIRE you to hold down a job

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hyper liberal to syria maybe. crazy how you came to that conclusion about what I think after a couple of posts on an internet forum.

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was 9/11 an inside job?

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See: What I said about Welfare Queens

these programs require you to at least be actively looking for employment... else you get kicked off.

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Kmd - speaking as someone who seems to share similar views to you - you're completely wasting your time trying to make a point here. The people who post in this thread are ultra-liberal to a point. They all vote Democrat, and in fact they don't even like centrist democrats, as evidenced by the heavy Sanders support. They all believe that all minorities are being discriminated against systematically, especially black people, women and transgenders, and if you don't agree it's because of your white privilege. There should definitely have been an indictment in Ferguson, welfare state is great, defund the military, down with cops. And so forth.

I agree with what you're saying, but I'll probably be the only one.

b r u h

i voted gary johnson in 2012. leaning voting kasich in 2016, but he has voted against law protecting trans employment opportunities. my real only grief with him. prolly just going to go johnson again in 2016.

Please don't pretend the issue is terminology quadz

there is a disconnect. extremist-libs have a separate definition and are demanding what comes down to reparations for past injustices.

It's not so much that poor people couldn't do the same things rich people could, or are less deserving of wealth, but a lot of poor people get trapped in a cycle of dependancy, where they feel like they don't have a say in their success.

But many wealthy people in the United States are self made, so to speak, and deserve credit for the wealth they have built for themselves.

I feel for your situation, sthar8, but I disagree that most poor people don't have a chance to get out of being poor. Most employers will readily promote someone that works hard and shows dedication to their job and talent rather than someone that feels like they are there based on entitlement. Perhaps your own attitude is the reason for your lack of success, not the upper class pushing you down.

here is the fundamental disagreement with how cons and libs think. libs argue that the vast majority of wealthy did NOT come by riches without leaning on an already determined system.

we're talking about 6-7 figure yearly incomes, not working class 35k - 65k earners. bootstrapping is very much true for most of the middle class, yet not typical for the former mentioned.

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a wise person that i look up to once told me that most disagreements aren't due to morals or ideologies, but from the background facts that they are based off of.

e.g: the % of people on welfare abuse vs. don't abuse the system

people should stop making arguments on 'how it should be'

lol
we're not asking for reparations

then you're not liberal enough or have blinders on

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too many people don't actually know how taxes work. most of the problem is with how confusing the tax code actually is.

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It depends on your definition of "hurt". Obviously 30% of a $30K income is going to be felt more than 30% of a 100K income. But at what point of a progressive tax do you say enough is enough?

would you be for a consumption tax?

food is untaxed, income is untaxed, but all purchases deemed to not be essential to basic quality of life deal with a 40% flat tax

i'm trying to determine if you're being idealistic or boneheaded

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I don't think what he said is facially unreasonable. Maybe you're reading into it more than is there?

not unreasonable, but very shortsighted. flat tax benefits only those who are already benefiting from our system.

i'm saying hes severely underestimating how much it would affect the person making 30k. there are minimums that it take to give yourself an

opportunity

to improve your situation in america (a steady home, internet, reliable transportation) and

30% of 30k turns out to be 800 for a bi-weekly paycheck.
30% of 100k turns out to be 2700 for a bi-weekly paycheck.

how about i shoot out my expenses for what i believe to be a fairly frugal person

rent + utilities (gas, water, electric, internet, sewage, etc.) come out to be around $700 a month. from my understanding this is on the low end in my area
gas for an average commute $80/mo (old toyota camry)
food - $120/mo (possible to cut this down a bit, but why the fuck would you cut out nutrition?)
insurance - $70/mo (paid every 6 months, but averaged out)

these are all

basic

necessities that i require to keep earning what I do. if you live somewhere where you can bike to work and save $150/mo, good for you but the majority of people are not that fortunate.

for someone pulling only 1600/mo, this seizes up 60% of my income.
for someone earning 5400/mo, this seizes up 18% of my income

car broke down, $400 to fix one month?

for a person earning 30k, this turns into 85% of the month's expenses.
for a person earning 100k, this turn into 25% of the monthly expenses.

this doesn't even consider other basic necessities that are less apparent such as saving for retirement or medical insurance or saving for a big expense such as a bed or car

i'm not saying that people who have more wealth aren't entitled to enjoy it. i've only said that the base minimums it takes to live a productive life would be prohibitive for the majority of people. no matter what you use for the flat tax rate, it only benefits those who are already extremely fortunate in their wealth

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right, the point i was making is that the only alternative suggested (by him) has been a flat tax which is too idealistic of a 'fair' tax code which doesn't actually benefit anyone who need tax code reform

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Trump is a personality who made money by

having too much money

. His actual business acumen is apparently terrible

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/in ... -worth.asp

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I didn't particularly set out to prove that, but if you read up on a summary of his wikipedia page, you can find bits of information that might be interesting to read, if you care to see his criticisms.

in other news, "King Donald Trump's Hairy Ballsack" may be an upcoming president

http://www.fec.gov/fecviewer/CandidateC ... tabIndex=3

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r u saying democrats are poor

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i'd reckon most

http://thefieldsofgreen.com/2014/11/24/ ... -dantonio/

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One is a solid businessman and one is a mediocre rapper with one good album.

kapap

i'd like to hear what you think his 'one good album' is

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Kanye is a really smart dude, too.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/kanyebooks.asp

i think kanye gets an unfair bad rap for saying stupid shit

he meant that he thinks experiencing something or someone is more important than reading about it, but you always gotta hear about people taking his quotes out of context.

that "george bush doesn't care about black people" quote was pretty whack tho

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but wheres donald trumps mixtaps at

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http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... trump.html