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Well this game is pitifully quiet.
How about an RQS to get more people posting, at least?
What's everyone's favorite scum and town role?
What alignment do you consider yourself best at?
What time zone are you in?
I haven't played a ton on this site but personally elsewhere I've liked playing as watcher and vigilante as town. Don't have a huge role preference as scum but I prefer playing mafia to playing as a third party.
I think I'm better at town than scum.
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In post 121, Radja wrote:Hi,
I finally made it here. I'm dead tired from a rough weekend though. I just thought I'd at least catch up and post something today.
Well then, some thoughts:
Boon's page 3 multiposts look pretty good to me. He's very much questioning people's behaviour, which is probably a good thing.
BlueMoon mentioning Boon is not scumhunting looks weird. He just mentioned several people acting scummy.
PointyBagel: How is Boon's play different than his usual play? You mention this, but also that you haven't seen much of his play. Looks like you aren't very sure, but still want to mention it for some reason. Why is that?
Ricastle: gut-town read. Seems to be posting exactly what I am thinking.
VOTE: PointyBagelS
The only game I have played with Boons is NY 183: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=61337. (which just ended so I'm allowed to talk about it now).
In it, he was scum (mafia traitor), had an early wagon on him, and dealt with it completely differently than in this game. He's playing completely differently this game than he did in that one. That doesn't make him town, but it does make Blue's case on him BS, since he's also contradicting his scum meta.
Freaking out over a RVS wagon is not the kind of mistake I expect boons to make, so I'm inclined to believe he's trying something new this game.- PointYBagelS
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In post 128, Klingoncelt wrote:In post 126, Zoronos wrote:Would you care to vote one of those scummy posters?
One of them, or someone else.
I want to slow things down just a tiny bit. Deadline's a long way off, so we have time to make more measured judgements. I want to make sure we lynch Scum, not low-hanging fruit.
More votes going out is arguably an ideal way to gain information, and not voting on principle is an easy way for scum to conceal their lack of reads. I'm inclined to agree that if you find someone scummy, you should vote them.- PointYBagelS
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In post 177, Radja wrote:In post 127, PointYBagelS wrote:
The only game I have played with Boons is NY 183: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=61337. (which just ended so I'm allowed to talk about it now).
In it, he was scum (mafia traitor), had an early wagon on him, and dealt with it completely differently than in this game. He's playing completely differently this game than he did in that one. That doesn't make him town, but it does make Blue's case on him BS, since he's also contradicting his scum meta.
Freaking out over a RVS wagon is not the kind of mistake I expect boons to make, so I'm inclined to believe he's trying something new this game.
In post 109, PointYBagelS wrote:If boon is scummy then it is specifically because he's playing differently this game. I tend to agree that he's not playing by his usual meta, at least not what I've seen of it.
You just called him scummy for playing differently, even though he has a completely different style this game.
Can you explain this? I must have missed something...
I'm sure 109 made some sort of sense when I posted it, but I am having trouble figuring out what it was. I do not think boons is scummy, but I do think that he is playing differently. My best guess as to what I meant was "boons is playing differently, so if he is scum that might be why, but he plays his meta as scum too, so I think it's null". The main thing I think you're not noticing is the "if". It was a hypothetical.
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In post 183, MonkeyMan576 wrote:I still think boon is scum, but I'm obviously not convincing anyone.
Unvote:
Please use your main. This is going to be way the hell too confusing if you keep doing this.- PointYBagelS
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In post 192, PointYBagelS wrote:In post 183, MonkeyMan576 wrote:I still think boon is scum, but I'm obviously not convincing anyone.
Unvote:
Please use your main. This is going to be way the hell too confusing if you keep doing this.
Or actually blue looks like it is the alt in this case.
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In post 193, PointYBagelS wrote:In post 192, PointYBagelS wrote:In post 183, MonkeyMan576 wrote:I still think boon is scum, but I'm obviously not convincing anyone.
Unvote:
Please use your main. This is going to be way the hell too confusing if you keep doing this.
Or actually blue looks like it is the alt in this case.
Pick one account and stick to it.
And now I notice the same thing is posted afterwards.
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I already explained when I unvoted, but elusive is prone to overreactions when she is pressured as town. She wil get angry, attack her voters, call the town stupid, and generally be unpleasant. I voted her to try and see if she would react poorly. She did, since she rage quit, so she/you are town.
In all, I would say the wagon wound up being quite interesting. The bonus is I got a solid town read from it.
I was intentionally vague when voting because the plan doesn't work if it is out in the open.
To those still voting for elusive, look at her past games. It may be anti-town behavior but this is undeniably how she acts as town.- PointYBagelS
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In post 418, WoodyWoodpecker wrote:In post 416, Klingoncelt wrote:The Elusive slot is Town.
No you are wrong, so is your "math", and so is your read on me.
That's a trifecta of wrongness
You clearly haven't looked at elusive's past games. Go do that and then come back. The replace out is a massive, massive towntell for her, and saying otherwise at this point is either willful ignorance of blatant scumminess.
Problem is, I actually think you're town, so I can't just vote you.
I agree with the thought that if someone has a greater chance than random of being scum, you should lynch them, but elusive has significantly less chance than random of being scum
VOTE: OhMyGodLife
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NY180 - Elusive gets pressured as town, starts getting very very angry to the point of being abusive. Is modkilled after a warning.
I'm sure I could find more if I kept looking. She was also modkilled (as town) in NY181 but it's less of a direct comparison. Certainly a case of her getting really angry as town though.
It's not the replacement specifically, so much as the attitude behind it, that is very very much in line with her town meta.
NY180 - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=60652
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In post 422, BlueMoonRising wrote:Can you link to games where she gets wagoned and acts calmer as scum?
I've looked and to be honest i can't find many scum games at all. Those that exist are mostly theme games that I wouldn't expect to be quite as relevant.
I'm basing a lot of the assumption that she's calmer as scum on things that Ricastle has said here, and things that Rubicon said in NY183 when she got a bit of a wagon there.
Admittedly hearsay but Rubicon in particular seems to be very good at reading elusive.
Regardless of that, anyone can cherrypick a game to fit their narrative. Even with her town meta, she may occasionally react well to pressure. I encourage you to look yourself and see, don't just rely on what I'm saying.
It's also worth noting that she has replaced out of a lot of games. When looking through her history I found a ton and as far as I can see they were all town games. That might actually be the strongest point in her favor.- PointYBagelS
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In post 428, Radja wrote:In post 419, PointYBagelS wrote:In post 418, WoodyWoodpecker wrote:In post 416, Klingoncelt wrote:The Elusive slot is Town.
No you are wrong, so is your "math", and so is your read on me.
That's a trifecta of wrongness
You clearly haven't looked at elusive's past games. Go do that and then come back.The replace out is a massive, massive towntell for her, and saying otherwise at this point is either willful ignorance of blatant scumminess.
Problem is, I actually think you're town, so I can't just vote you.
I agree with the thought that if someone has a greater chance than random of being scum, you should lynch them, but elusive has significantly less chance than random of being scum
VOTE: OhMyGodLife
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In post 421, PointYBagelS wrote:NY180 - Elusive gets pressured as town, starts getting very very angry to the point of being abusive. Is modkilled after a warning.
I'm sure I could find more if I kept looking. She was also modkilled (as town) in NY181 but it's less of a direct comparison. Certainly a case of her getting really angry as town though.
It's not the replacement specifically, so much as the attitude behind it, that is very very much in line with her town meta.
NY180 - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=60652
NY181 - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=60825
-The replacing out is a massive towntell...
-It's not the replacement specifically...
This doesn't make sense.
Are you being intentionally obtuse? Because I see no contradiction and I don't think I was unclear. Her replacment falls under a broad range of potential actions that Elusive would absolutely do as town.
She may or may not have replaced out as a rage quit before. I don't know. Point is it, among other things, is something she'd do as town.
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To be honest I'm actually starting to think Woody might be scum. Tunnel vision is one thing but it almost looks like he's being willfully ignorant. If he's scum he has dug himself a hole that it'd be difficult to get out of, and might be afraid to flip flop and appear scummy. I feel like town at this point would have realized Naked Jogger isn't going to be lynched today and moved on to other scum, yet he continues to tunnel and stifle discussion.
I like my vote where it is for the moment, but Woody is starting to worry me.
As for OhMyGodLife. If this game is anything like my last one, he's probably scum for his serious lurking. I don't think we should put up with this.- PointYBagelS
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In post 560, Boonskiies wrote:I tend to see more tunneling to a loss cause on town than scum. When they are scum, they don't tunnel so hard because it severely limits their options.
I suppose I'm adding another level of WIFOM to it by thinking that scum would know this and therefore tunnel harder. I see your point, I guess.
In post 561, FakedBlogger wrote:Tbh I'm looking forward to a lynch.
So we can play name the scumteam on day2 to entertain ourselves and pat ourselves on the back if we get it right post-game. It's a wonderful activity and very entertaining whilst waiting for ze lurkers to cough something up to save themselves from eating rope.
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I still don't like OhMyGodLife's lurking, but at least his few posts seem like they're actually playing and not just fluff. Plus, this game is in desperate need of a serious wagon.
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In post 556, PointYBagelS wrote:To be honest I'm actually starting to think Woody might be scum. Tunnel vision is one thing but it almost looks like he's being willfully ignorant. If he's scum he has dug himself a hole that it'd be difficult to get out of, and might be afraid to flip flop and appear scummy. I feel like town at this point would have realized Naked Jogger isn't going to be lynched today and moved on to other scum, yet he continues to tunnel and stifle discussion.
I like my vote where it is for the moment, but Woody is starting to worry me.
It's creepy. It looks like he's busing his Scumbuddies.
VOTE: PointYBagelS
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VOTE: Klingoncelt
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In post 617, Klingoncelt wrote:In post 608, PointYBagelS wrote:
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In post 556, PointYBagelS wrote:To be honest I'm actually starting to think Woody might be scum. Tunnel vision is one thing but it almost looks like he's being willfully ignorant. If he's scum he has dug himself a hole that it'd be difficult to get out of, and might be afraid to flip flop and appear scummy. I feel like town at this point would have realized Naked Jogger isn't going to be lynched today and moved on to other scum, yet he continues to tunnel and stifle discussion.
I like my vote where it is for the moment, but Woody is starting to worry me.
It's creepy. It looks like he's busing his Scumbuddies.
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Mind saying what specifically you don't like about it?
My, what a lovely OMGUS you have there, Scum.
Anyway, your read on Woody is almost soft. Very gently, very "Woody, you're fucking up, darn, I'm going to have to bus you."
Then you defend why you aren't voting him.
"He looks so much like Scum but I'm keeping my vote on someone else, but he worries me..."
But you have zero problem OMGUS-voting me, without a b-movie speech on my worrisome behavior.
Yep, you be Scum.
You might have been dead by then but people scumread me for the same thing in apocalypse and surprise, surprise, I was town. My defense is the same: why would I do that if scum have daytalk? That's just dumb.
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In post 612, OhGodMyLife wrote:Now would be a good time for anyone who feels really strongly about their scumspect to pitch me a cliff notes version of their case. If everyone does it we can just ignore the last 20 pages and all come back to reread around here on future days
No but really, I'm having a hard time getting into this game there is too much ego flying around.
I feel like I can see a fault line between factions right now and I think there are scum on both sides of it letting more vocal town posters lead the charge against each other.
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In post 630, WoodyWoodpecker wrote:In post 627, Ricastle wrote:That wasn't an excuse you fucking clown
please do not curse at me. If you can't keep your emotions in check then please follow your scum buddy and replace out.
In post 627, Ricastle wrote:Where did I say I didn't read it?
sorry my bad, imo ignoring implies you didn't read it...
That anger seems out of character. Maybe he's just frustrated (you are scumreading obvtown after all) but maybe there's more to it. I'll have to look over his other posts.- PointYBagelS
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In post 728, Zoronos wrote:Pointy - What is your read on Diego, and why?
I'm worried that Scum is taking advantage of the disorganization of the town and trying to push through a lazy lynch in Diego. I definitely think some of the stuff he has done is scummy but that's my guess.
His lack of a defense and statement of such is meh and I'm not a fan of his lack of interest but in the end I'm not sure that's enough of a case. I'd say he's on my potential scum list but there are scummier players around right now.
In post 707, WoodyWoodpecker wrote:the one that slandaar quoted, the one that has the bold part at the end... it helps if you read before posting.
here since you are having issues
In post 279, PointYBagelS wrote:Elusive I'm really not liking your reaction to this wagon. You have barely posted and haven't even tried to scumhunt. This is a valid wagon and you're completely ignoring it. Do something town please.
why did you not call this out for coaching?
I'm stunned by how universally wrong your reads are.
Everyone calls me out for coaching when I'm town... It's just the way I post, and you're making a huge deal out of absolutely nothing.
Relevant meta from NY183: I was called out for coaching a flip-confirmed scum. My defense was that coaching is stupid when scum have daytalk (how relevant...)
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Actually I believe that... I wish I didn't because it'd make things easier but mafia is not a game of easy lynches.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: RadiantCowbells
This is the only vote that seems to make any sort of sense. I've called the slot a potential scum target in the past but I can't say I liked the entry. A reread also makes me think Diego was a bit scummier than I first thought.
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In post 1139, zakk wrote:Unvote
Don't wanna lynch boon today
These claims, if scum, will take care of themselves.
I'll still lynch OGML
Vote: OGML
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In post 1154, zakk wrote:Okay,vote: boonskies
I forgot this was a "normal" game, and I'm actually pretty unclear about what's "normal" and what's not
and I think slandaar is town, and I think you're actually getting townier RC sooooo
let's do boon then guys.
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In post 1211, Boonskiies wrote:In post 1203, PointYBagelS wrote:I changed my mind. There's definitely no JOATs in this game.
VOTE: boonskiies
Seriously though who claimed vig? I cannot find that.
welp, I'm lynched. I was town. Fuck you all.
Pretty sure that wasn't the hammer...
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Are you claiming doublevoter? Because that's non normal unless this game uses the old guidelines.- PointYBagelS
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In post 1271, WoodyWoodpecker wrote:Why I don't believe boon
1. "Let me read my role pm" = oh shit I have to fc something
2. Not realizing his role was non normal and not calling out the other non normal role
Finally something you say thay makes sense.
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In post 1285, Aneninen wrote:In post 1205, zakk wrote:@mod: is a shapeshifter that allows you to use different abilities every 1st, 2nd, and 3rd night considered normal for the purposes of this game?
The answer is NO
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Hey all. I've found the entire scumteam, and town can win this by day 3 if you listen to me.
I am a vigilante
I shot Ricastle last night for claiming vigilante, since the odds of there being 2 vigilantes in this game are essentially zero. Either I was Roleblocked or he was healed. If he was indeed healed, then the doctor can more or less confirm my claim. If I was roleblocked, I suppose I have no confirmation but it does confirm one of us as scum. Since I'm assuming Klingon will get lynched immediately, I request that the doctor heal neither of us, and we'll take care of each other.
Relevant quote.
In post 1163, RadiantCowbells wrote:Bagels, vote Boon.
The vig claim makes the hider claim and the odd-night doc claim make a million times more sense than Boonskiies claim which includes a vig.
And the Klingon wagon is sorta dead atm.
And yeah, 1 non-normal permitted, not two.
The scum have daytalk, so that of course means the claims were coordinated. The "vig hider is a realistic claim", while admittedly a reasonable line of thought (and indeed why I voted boons instead of klingon), was most adamantly supported by RadiantCowbells. If you ask me, he was trying to lend legitimacy to both of his scumbuddies in one post.
I realize a lot of you were scumreading me yesterday but this logic is pretty sound.
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In post 1387, RadiantCowbells wrote:You're wrong about me.
Good claim though, I guess I actually did end up helping town in the end.
Yours is admittedly the least certain of my reads, but it's just way too suspicious that you'd make a post that lends legitimacy to 2 confscum.- PointYBagelS
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And just in case people think I'm the scum and Ricastle's the town:
Why did Ricastle not shoot Klingon? There was no reason not to, and saving Klingon for the day only stifles day 2 discussion. Admittedly I didn't shoot Klingon either, but my options were to shoot Klingon and counterclaim, which would have been a slog, or shoot Ricastle and get 2 scum in 1 day. Since no one counterclaimed Ricastle day 1, the choice to shoot Klingon should have been obvious. - PointYBagelS
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