Mini Normal 1692 – A Crack In Time? – Game Over

[WoodyWoodpecker]

vote ricola

Only room for one bird here, plus revenge

[WoodyWoodpecker]

@Mod, ricola= ricastle

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Well, that was fun. Can we start playing now, or did everyone fall asleep?

OK

vote kling

For wanting to start playing but doesn't start playing

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Rqs doesn't help move the game along, it just gets people talking about non game related stuff. Voting people though gets the game going, especially an early wagon. Let's grab one going on kling.

BTW I'm on east coast time and check this site a bazillion times a day unless I'm busy so I should always be active.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I'm playing

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Okay, how's this:

BlueMoon's carrying sand because he doesn't like Boon's playstyle; you & Woody are Scum.

So the 2 people voting you are scum?

Turrble

You don't even deserve the proper spelling

[WoodyWoodpecker]

What does boon is boon mean? How is boon?

[WoodyWoodpecker]

based on what exactly?

Based on how he's played so far.

What has he done that is pro town?

Second this question

[WoodyWoodpecker]

What towntell?

And yes things really are black and white with me.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

No really though, is MonkeyMan somebody's alt?

I'm.guessing bluemoon since he reposted the same thing right after...

[WoodyWoodpecker]

WoodyWoodpecker - shallowminded, wacker-scumfuck

Spoiler:

Though you do make good points about omg

vote: omg

Baa baa

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Here's the thing, Blue: He

isn't

using his affirmed playstyle as an excuse this game. As soon as he was wagoned for it here he got down to business, and even before that, it wasn't the same. In his scumgames he adamantly sticks to his VI/Antitown reputation and shoves it in your face.

Also, mind explaining why I'm scummy?

The fact that he changed up his playstyle after getting a few votes stands out to me actually. Feels like he let a little pressure rattle him

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Would you care to vote one of those scummy posters?

One of them, or someone else.

I want to slow things down just a tiny bit. Deadline's a long way off, so we have time to make more measured judgements. I want to make sure we lynch Scum, not low-hanging fruit.

But nobody's really that close to Lynch, so why not use your vote to put your money where your mouth is?

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I like both OhGod or Bluemoon for scum

What about kling?

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Okay, really not liking that exchange.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

Unnecessary hesitation followed by immediate concession with a forced, cautious explanation for the vote. That ticks enough boxes for me.

There's hope for you yet

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Also, klingon's town.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

How often are Scum caught on Day1?

Sorry I'm laughing on the inside about this, especially about who its directed at. Eventually I'll be able to tell you why.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

But in all seriousness, from what I've seen looking around the site, scum get caught day 1 sometimes, not as rare as you imply it is

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I don't like to vote unless I'm sure that person is Scum.

Idk if that's necessarily true. I just found a game where you voted multiple people in a short period of time and you were town. Another game you did wait a while and the 3rd I saw you were scum. I'll dig through more games later.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Because scum is targeting me. Scum always targets me. Even if I'm partnered with them, scum targets me.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I don't like to vote unless I'm sure that person is Scum.

Idk if that's necessarily true. I just found a game where you voted multiple people in a short period of time and you were town. Another game you did wait a while and the 3rd I saw you were scum. I'll dig through more games later.

Well there's more than one Scum in a game.

That plus I've had some major shit go down IRL, so my usual mindset is very messed up. I'm not as accurate or confident as usual. The "not as accurate" part is why I've been so on & off with the votes.

Sounds like you are just making excuses. If what you said was true, why did you abandon it and vote when questiones about it? Looks like you are just trying to avoid detection and when somebody calls you out, you try to appease them

[WoodyWoodpecker]

It is to me

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I'm not seeing a boon scum read, blue is kind of weirding me out. Need to read some of these other players cause I don't really have strong reads on.them right now.

Kling still looks scummy and have no clue.why.boon is town reading them

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I'm not voting kling?

vote: kling

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I've seen that before from Town.

So have I, even guilty of it myself from time to time. It's more common from town IMO cause people are quick to call it out and scum try not to be called out for things

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I hope you're an alt. No noob needs to question my playstyle.

I'm not an alt but I'm also not new to mafia so I'll question whatever I want.

Thanks

[WoodyWoodpecker]

No I'm not going after low hanging fruit, I'm going after a person who is doing things that is pinging my scumdar.

And I am scum hunting, to imply I'm not is horseshit

[WoodyWoodpecker]

No substance yet I caught you in a lie which you immediately backtracked...

Yeah I'm not scum hunting... BULLSHIT

[WoodyWoodpecker]

My first vote was the start of pressure voting, you admit that second post shows me pressuring you. Pressuring is a method of scum hunting..

Calling you out for scum.reading the 2 people who just happen to be voting you is more scum hunting.

The lie occured in post 162
The backtrack occured in post 166

Plus I do agree with ricastle's post 133. You say you want to "slow things down" but your very next post you throw that out the window and vote.

So yeah, I'm scum hunting and I've found scum.

In case you are still confused, that's you..

You aren't 'low hanging fruit " that's just you trying to downplay your scummy behavior.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

The lie occured in post 162
The backtrack occured in post 166

There's no lie in 162. 100% honesty there.

There's no lie in 162. 100% honesty there.

No backtracking at all. Are you sure you got the post numbers correct?

You say you do something as town
I find example where you don't do it as town

How is that not a lie? Oh wait, it is a lie.

So yeah...

[WoodyWoodpecker]

and Woody...both low-hanging fruit!

[WoodyWoodpecker]

How is that not a lie? Oh wait, it is a lie.

Then when you try to make an excuse for yourself, that's called backtracking.

You are so caught scum, just need others to realize it and Lynch you

[WoodyWoodpecker]

well if we are being technical, he never said "like to do" in the first place, he said he "doesn't like to" do something

but anyway, fine maybe it isn't an actual lie but it is suspicious to me when a player says they typically do something but when i try to find evidence of it I am unable to and then he makes an excuse for it. It is especially suspicious when you add in that this same player said he wanted to "slow things down" and their next post did the opposite of "slowing things down"

[WoodyWoodpecker]

typically do something but when i try to find evidence of it I am unable to and then he makes an excuse for it.

Preferences can change quickly.

Excuse or explanation for your findings?

but he doesn't even follow his own preferences THIS game...

He votes Blue for "pinging" the loudest or whatever, pinging doesn't imply that he is sure, that implies that he just happens to be the most suspicious but certainly doesn't mean he is sure.


not sure what you mean by the 2nd part

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Why not change to subject? Or ignore it and do your own thing? Lurking should never be acceptable behavior

[WoodyWoodpecker]

vote: elusive

Yeah that's scummy as fuck

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I think Woody is obviously an alt

Sorry but I am not an alt

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Also finds Blue and Boon scummy

neither of these are true btw.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Refers to Klingon as a "he" so obviously not noticing details, which adds to the scum side.

aaaaand you lose all credibility with this comment.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Also finds Blue and Boon scummy

neither of these are true btw.

Uhm, idk abou the blue one, but you definitely scum read me earlier.

no I wasn't. I sheeped you earlier because you made some good points, I later facepalmed you when you said kling was town, I eye rolled a comment you made because it was eye roll worthy, post 182 I said I wasn't seeing a boon scum read and all I said about blue was he was weirding me out.

pretty sure I never scum read you, nor did I say I scum read blue so again, neither of those were true...


p.edit - I don't really pay attention to the pronouns

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Switches to voting me, which is also easy.

you were the one who said you weren't going to answer questions from people who didn't answer your rvs questions, rvs questions that were posted WAY OUTSIDE of rvs.


It's super scummy and if you think it's attacking an easy target, well you did it to yourself. Why not answer the questions you were asked by Diego or whoever and stop being obtuse... oh and also stop lying while you are at it

p.edit - of course i'm right. i'm never wrong

p.edit - how do I do that? I have sigs blocked

[WoodyWoodpecker]

oh I figured it out, I can see it when I click on your name. lol damn straight, I don't care about pronouns

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I didn't like his entrance into the game, it felt forced and the odd interaction with Ricastle. Have they played together before

oh 1 last thing I wanted to respond to before moving on. No ricastle and I never played but we did have this exchange in the sign up thread, which explains why I voted the way I voted.

/in mini normal

There may be no pigeons, but there will be crows! (Which is actually worse but oh well)

Is that what's in your avatar? Couldn't tell. Crows and woodpeckers, this game is for the birds...

[WoodyWoodpecker]

And your posts in which you question or find Boon or Blue to be weird or scummy or off in some way:
Spoiler:

1. "weirding me out" doesn't mean I think he is scummy.
2. The boon is boon question was directed at somebody who said that boon was being boon. I was trying to have that player explain what that meant because I didn't know AND I wanted to see if that player was full of shit. This does not mean I thought boon was scummy so again you fail at proving your point
3. You do know their is a 3rd option between Town and Scum right? There is this 3rd one that is pretty common in the mafia world... it's called a null read. Meaning a player isn't necessarily reading town, but isn't reading scum either.
4. how on earth does asking a player who said boon committed a town tell = I am scum reading boon? It doesn't. and I don't know why you decided to bold the black and white comment.

So yet again you fail to prove where I have had a scum read on boon. At best you have proven that near the beginning of the game I had a null read on boon. Congratulations. great detective work Sherlock Holmes...

Actually, scum when fake pushing a case will pretend to not notice obvious things like whether or not they are even voting a player (as you "forgot") or what the gender is of a player.

This is the biggest crock of shit I have ever heard.

Either you're
a) Admitting to being a shitty player who gives reads on players without actually reading their posts carefully, especially at this nascent stage when there is no reason to not notice obvious things such as keep tracking of votes\gender.
b) Obviously scum because you claimed to have meta-ed Klingon but didn't realize her gender? Seriously? Try harder. It fits with your attempt to make it seem like details are hard for you (with the spelling and your awkward entrance) but quite obviously its fake unless you have some sort of disease which then try another game.

1. No I am not admitting I am a shitty player because I am not a shitty player. Do I misread posts from time to time? yes because I am human and humans make mistake
2. No I am not scum at all and yes OMG I read posts and don't even know their gender... That is something I do regardless of my alignment because I don't look at pronouns. it could have something to do with the fact that I use my phone and don't post from a computer but it doesn't matter, not looking at pronouns isnt alignment indicative.

you are grasping at straws at this point elusive.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

No ricastle and I never played

What the fuck?

VOTE: Woody Woodpecker

oh ha ha, fine you are in a rare moment where I made a mistake. You and I have played together, can't believe I forgot that

[WoodyWoodpecker]

First of all with Klingon, its right under her avatar. So the Obtuse act doesn't

and when I am on my phone, I don't look at the avatar or the words under neath them because they are irrelevant to me and I have to basically zoom in to see them.

p.edit - null is something that people say a BAZILLION times on this site and on just about every site I have ever played on. so Null is not part of the gray area.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

We played together in a very recent and very memorable game. His interactions with me are, I assume at least in part, based on him knowing me from that. I don't know what motivation he could have to lie about that but I don't like it.

wasn't a lie, just slipped my mind.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Thanks for acknowledging I'm not scum.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I didn't misread, perhaps you mistyped. Cause if you thoughy I was scum with 2 other people your post would have been worded completely different. It would be more like "2 more votes from your scum buddies" or "just need your 2 scum buddies to vote me"

Saying scum and you definitely implies you don't think I'm scum.

It's OK boo, I'm not scum and you know that, why else would you have to make up lies like you did.its cause you are actually scum.

Just need 2 more and I'll be responsible for yet another day 1 scum Lynch.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

*thought* not thoughy

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Um how can I be guilty of omgus when I voted you before you voted me? Seems like the only one guilty of omgus would be you..

And you are correct, I did thank you for saying I'm not scum at the same time as calling you scum. That's pretty much how you know I'm town is because you are scum..

Your.arguing with me is pointless and only makes you look worse, especially after I already made you look bad when I showed you lied when you said I called boon and blue scum. Anyone with a 2nd grade reading level can see that wasn't true.

So I suggest instead of arguing with me, you spend your time trying to save your own ass.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Oh wait, technically im incorrect, you voted me first but that was your rvs vote that you never bothered to change. You didn't really begin to scum read me though until after I voted you, at least reading your posts

[WoodyWoodpecker]

So, you voted me before I voted you? SRSLY?

I corrected myself but that was rvs and you weren't scum reading me for purposely mispelling a name.

And I do not believe for a second you were scum reading me before I voted you, and you can't prove you were because guess what? You were a lurker who hid in the background until people started noticing and voting you.

And.no you didn't prove I was scum reaidng blue or boon, cause I was never scum reading them and those quotes of mine prove I wasn't scum reading them, not the other way around.

Nice try sir or Madame, idk what your pronoun says

[WoodyWoodpecker]

So I suggest instead of arguing with me, you spend your time trying to save your own ass.

In case you missed it.

You are going to lose arguing with me, I'm a master at it and I never back down. If you think I'm scum come up with better lies and try and convince people to Lynch me. The lies you have posted already people have already chimed in and said you were wrong.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Actually, he's right, elusive. There's more in his ISO actually that shows he was actually semi town reading me.

See, he saw through your BS and pretty sure others did as well

[WoodyWoodpecker]

You aren't going to get me to rage quit, hell I.haven't even started to rage yet, and don't need to cause you are doing a good job of digging your own grave.

I didn't meta you cause I'm not voting you for something meta related. Plus I was suspicious of kling before he brought up his meta and.I wanted to see if.what he.said was.true. it's completely different scenarios but way to grasp as straws now.

I don't need to try harder cause you are making my job of another day 1 scum Lynch pretty easy.

Goodnight

[WoodyWoodpecker]

This game you played together, were both of you in the game for several Days? Or did one of you get lynched/killed or replace out early on?

I could understand his forgetting if your time together was short. Otherwise, there's a ping...

Short, I was dsykilled by him on page 2 or 3, but being forgetful isn't a ping...

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Do the right thing, join me on this:

VOTE: WoodyWoodpecker

You just contradicted yourself here. Do the right thing but you go and do the exact opposite

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Diego, I'd love to know your thoughts on Woody especially now

I'll get to this when I can.

Woody has me confused. He'll put together a cogent thought followed by a hardcore derp. I do like how quickly he can respond to pressure. It doesn't feel that his responses are "calculated" like I'd expect from scum. They feel genuine.

What derp?

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Maybe he's an unusally cocky human.

Human? No, mafia player? Yes

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I was about to come in and repeat Pointy before I saw his post. Elusive slot is solid, solid town.

Why? So what she's an emotional player, doesn't mean she's not capable of faking it.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

lying, lurking, refusing to answer questions, instead of scum hunting decided to waste time asking rvs questions when we are way outside of rvs.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Already pointed it out. Why aren't you reading?

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I mean read post 288 please.

1. said I was scum reading blue and boon - That isn't true aka it's a lie
2. says she is an easy target and then proceeds to point to examples of me going after easy targets - 1. she isn't an easy target unless saying something scummy and getting voted for it makes you an easy target but it doesn't. 2. Implies I went after boon who was also easy target, but I never went after boon 3. says Kling was an easy target because the number of people voting kiling (A. that is just stupid because the number of votes a person doesn't make them an easy target and B. I was the first person to cast a serious vote on kling, the only other person voting kling when i did was zoronos and that was an RVS) so that is also a lie but the kicker is she even admits to finding kling scummy herself but notice she isn't voting kling. Possibly because she is afraid of being accused of going after an easy target.
3. Says i don't have a lot of independent thoughts. That is a lie because my entire push on kling was independent thoughts
4. Says I am doing a lot of talking without paying attention to detail - this isn't even scummy, this is just how I am as a person

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I guess we will agree to disagree

[WoodyWoodpecker]

or..

Your read is wrong. That's one of my most confident assertions thus far. Join me on elusive.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

you do realize I am not the only one voting elusive right? why are you focused on me getting to change my vote and not anyone else?

I'm glad you think you know her better than what I know, but what I know is that i don't see pro-town motives in her actions nor did I see much scum hunting from her. She made a comment that rang scummy to me and I voted her for it and then she goes off the deep end making a bullshit case full of lies against me and that is is a scum reaction if I ever saw one.

Tell me in these games did elusive lurk until people started pressuring her? Once she got pressured did she react poorly and refuse to answer questions? Did she get voted for her refusal to answer questions? Did she then attack the person who voted for her and make up a shitty cases full of lies? Did she admit that she was intentionally trying to get a player to rage quit? And then when that player said they wouldn't rage quit, did she realized she looked terrible and decided to replace out?

cause if none of that happened in any of those games your meta read is usless.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

link to the game where she did these things to you please

[WoodyWoodpecker]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=61337

OK her play in that game is hands down better than her play here.

Just from skimming she wasn't really lurking and she was interacting with people and making posts that resembled scum hunting.

Thanks for making me feel better about my vote

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Everything you scumread her for is present in that game

dude, in that game she is interacting with people and is giving her thoughts on things and explaining herself, these kind of posts don't really exist in this game

for example post 247 in that game - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p6748074

There isn't a single post in this game that resembles that.

Want more posts?

post 234, 307, 335... I could probably go on but I stopped at this post.

Ok, just so you know and I suppose the rest of town as well what has been working well for me in terms of scum hunting is questioning each wagon thoroughly. If a wagon leader or hoppers ons cannot explain their reads through ISO, behavior analysis, interaction analysis or evidence of some kind that makes sense, I'm going to question until either the persons on the crusade produce a strong case or I myself agree and have evidence to add.

Now this is confirmed townj elusive talking in the above post. Now show me where she did anything remotely similar in this game...

You can't, because she didn't. She isn't playing to her town meta so sorry but your meta defense of elusive is just been proven incorrect.


she is not playing the same as that game, not even close

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Well, I suppose we can move on until a replacement comes in.

no need to move on, move on means changing votes and their is no reason to do that. Let the replacement know they are under pressure and see how they respond.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

FIRST - I don't think you are reading this game correctly because she started the shit throwing and I defending myself from it. If you are going to try and post things that make you sound smart, let's at least be accurate about them ok?

I voted her because she refused to answer Diego's questions
she then started in on me saying I was going after easy targets and scum reading people I wasn't. neither of those were true so I naturally corrected her and then she want and posted quotes that proved she was incorrect and then it kind of escelated from there.

so yeah she started the shit storm, not me.

SECOND - i do have a legitimate case against her

lying, lurking, refusing to answer questions, instead of scum hunting decided to waste time asking rvs questions when we are way outside of rvs.

I can also add to that Intentionally trying to piss a player off and when it didn't work replaced out.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I am not responding to you anymore. These interactions are driving me up the wall and I am not gaining anything from them.

I don't know why you kept interacting with me, I basically told you to go waste your time and energy on the other people voting her cause I am not planning on moving my vote anytime soon. This replacement is going to have to put on one hell of a performance to convince me my read is wrong.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I have you and the Elusive slot as S vs T. The Elusive slot is obvTown, that means you're Scum.

We know you are scum reading me already, post something original for a change.

I'm not scum, my forgetfulness isn't a scum tell, hell it isn't even scummy.

Why are you still talking to me instead of trying to convince people to vote me like you should if you were town...

Oh that's right you aren't town, I already established that

[WoodyWoodpecker]

You're grasping at straws now.

No I'm not. The game of mafia is to find scum and get them lynched. You think you found scum yet you aren't doing the second part. If you have a meta of not properly playing the game and you are actually town,I suggest you work on that aspect of your game.

It's all pointless anyway cause I'm not scum and your case on me is shit. The fact you think me forgetting playing with Ricola means something is laughable, considering in a game recently I forgot who I replaced and started questioning the person I replaced. I'm forgetful, it's not a scum trait, it's a woody trait

[WoodyWoodpecker]

The Elusive slot is Town.

No you are wrong, so is your "math", and so is your read on me.

That's a trifecta of wrongness

[WoodyWoodpecker]

You forgot Ricastle's name and my gender as well.

No cause the last game I played with ricastle, I called him ricola. It was intentional. Not being able to see your gender on my phone without zooming in isn't a mistake either, its a combination of laziness and I don't really care what gender people are.

Now who's grasping at straws here? You are

To honestly think I'm scum for these things just proves you are scum or stupid.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

You clearly haven't looked at elusive's past games. Go do that and then come back

I looked at 1, and the play was different. If she has meta of replacing out as town and not scum she's getting dangerously close to the "trust tell" rule.

I'm ignoring the replace out, when I do that her play suggests she is scum. If everyone else ignores the replace out what do you think?

If you still say town I say bullshit.

I'm not changing my vote, so stop trying to convince me.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Regardless of that, anyone can cherrypick a game to fit their narrative. Even with her town meta,

Exactly, isn't that what you are doing?

[WoodyWoodpecker]

That might actually be the strongest point in her favor.

And it may actually be a violation of site rules...

[WoodyWoodpecker]

So you truly believe that upon replacing out there's a 50-50 chance the slot is scum instead of the usual scum to town ratio derivate?
Sounds stupid to me tbh.

What is the usual ratio? Where can I find this posted?

I'm not familiar with this site so this could be useful in the future. This issue just came up in another game as well so it would be good to stay informed.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

OK so I looked at her games and saw she replaced out like 3 times. Doing this from my phone and didn't take notes but only once did she replace out where she was the largest wagon, she even self voted in that situation. The other the replacement happens during night phase and the other she said something about people not being able to handle the bitching or something. That one stands out to me because she was the one who started the bitching this game. She got flustered when I disproved her case and knew she was in a losing battle.

This replacement is nothing like her other replacements so anyone who claims this is town for her and they know her meta isnfull of shit. None of her games did she pick a fight with a player, lose the fight, and then replace out.

That's what happened here. So the "meta" discussion is over. She's not town for this replacement and deserves rope now.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

OK I will actually do some scumhunting over the weekend. I haven't really done much this game.

Yeah you really haven't and I feel like.you are purposely laying low. It's very suspicious

[WoodyWoodpecker]

And BTW I'm now done with this replacement stuff, so its pointless to continue arguing with me about it. I'm not changing my mind or my vote.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Need multiple scum games to be able to properly determine if she's capable of that as scum. I don't think she's been scum multiple times so you can't accurately say such things

[WoodyWoodpecker]

The reasons you've listed for voting elusive are too ballsy for scum to play like. Elusive doesn't have balls.

Townreading yourself is not going to help us, unfortunately.

I disagree. The only easy way to win a game as town is if everyone who is town makes a good case that they're town, since it's the only thing they know for sure on day1.

What can you tell me about yourself to convince me you're town?

no this is terrible.

don't have people make cases why they are town, that's a waste of time. make a case why someone is scum... that's the point of the game

[WoodyWoodpecker]

The usual ratio is #scum : #townies. In this case I assume there are 3 scum and 10 townies which makes for 3/10 x 100 = 30% chance random chance of a slot being scum.

Yeah I know that, i thought you were arguing the percentage of scum replacing vs town. Nevermind

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Slandaar is my only town read at the moment.

Why?

[WoodyWoodpecker]

So.

Anyone want to revive the Klingon wagon?

We can lynch kling day 2, let's finish lynching his scum buddy today.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

So.

Anyone want to revive the Klingon wagon?

We can lynch kling day 2, let's finish lynching his scum buddy today.

Use the wrong pronoun one more time and I'll demand a force replace.

Im not doing it intentionally so chill the fuck out. I'll try to remember but I can't promise I won't make the same mistake again.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Boon outed himself in that post. Gladiators are Town, right? So he's Town

According to the wiki scum it can be a scum role

[WoodyWoodpecker]

But the role itself can't be in a normal so why are we having this discussion?

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Shocker kling was the one who brought that up. Just another ding against kling. Itsnawesomeywe caught 2 scum in one day

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Shocker kling was the one who brought that up. Just another ding against kling. Itsnawesomeywe caught 2 scum in one day

You are not allowed to talk about ongoing games, even if the piece of information you share seems to be irrelevant. Sorry!

–Aneninen

You already said too much. No talking about ongoing games.

She said nothing.
Problem? ^_^
–Aneninen

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Nor did I ever crumb it.

Did too!!

You said you were going to go 1v1 with Slandaar.

That's what Gladiators do.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Wackpecker though?

I've not played a perfect game, I need to be more.open minded and not so stubborn.

Invoices nobody is.going to Lynch elusive today so now I'm left lost and confused about what to do now. I don't think the replacement has done a particularly good.job.so far and idk who else I'd vote for.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Yeah probably but I'm hoping people see the elusive replacement is just as scummy as elusive was

[WoodyWoodpecker]

6 days and votes are all split and 2 arent even voting...

We aren't ever going to reach a consensus.

So the people who are saying elusive is town, when you throw out the meta of replacing out. What else you have to suggest she's town. Because nobody should be using meta of replacing as a reason to town read a slot cause meta can be manipulated.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

But meta can be manipulated so if you are only town reading someone for meta, your read is shit and you should actually play the game.

Plus this isn't her meta, not from what I can tell. I've looked.over games and do not agree with the meta argument.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

First, my case in her has nothing to do with her meta, it has to do with her play THIS game which everyone disregards because of 'meta " which is bullshit. You guys are basically saying that yes she's scummy but her meta is to play scummy. If meta is.your only defense, you are wrong and you are potentially letting scum slide by.

2. I looked at her games and even pointed out significant differences between her town game and this game. That's not conf.biasing, that's actually scum hunting and pointing out how you are wrong.

Ignoring that and saying "she's town cause meta" like you are doing is more like conf.bias than what I'm doing. You refuse to even consider the evidence I pointed out and only put the blame back on me. That's horseshit and if you are town you should be ashamed of yourself. You are purposely ignoring/considering evidence all because the guise of "meta"

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Everything you scumread her for is present in that game

dude, in that game she is interacting with people and is giving her thoughts on things and explaining herself, these kind of posts don't really exist in this game

for example post 247 in that game - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p6748074

There isn't a single post in this game that resembles that.

Want more posts?

post 234, 307, 335... I could probably go on but I stopped at this post.

Ok, just so you know and I suppose the rest of town as well what has been working well for me in terms of scum hunting is questioning each wagon thoroughly. If a wagon leader or hoppers ons cannot explain their reads through ISO, behavior analysis, interaction analysis or evidence of some kind that makes sense, I'm going to question until either the persons on the crusade produce a strong case or I myself agree and have evidence to add.

Now this is confirmed townj elusive talking in the above post. Now show me where she did anything remotely similar in this game...

You can't, because she didn't. She isn't playing to her town meta so sorry but your meta defense of elusive is just been proven incorrect.


she is not playing the same as that game, not even close

dude, in that game she is interacting with people and is giving her thoughts on things and explaining herself, these kind of posts don't really exist in this game

Christ's sake...ONE. You didn't give her the chance to do that; you started relentlessly throwing shit at her before she could get into the game, which will provoke nothing but total hostility. TWO. That isn't the fucking point; she did there everything you have previously accused her of which is the point I am making. You have no legitimate case against her as a result which isn't going to change by you pointing out things she did there which she never got to do here.

See you immediately ignore my entire case against her meta argument saying I didn't give her a chance this game.

1. That's bullshit cause she was the one who was basically absent for 200 posts, not me

2. She was the one who was asked questions and refuses to answer them

3. I voted her for her refusal and then she decides to make up.lies about me.

So you are the one who is purposely ignoring evidence. So are you scum and you are white knighting her or are you scum together.

Because there is NO CHANCE IN HELL you are town and purposely ignoring valid evidence.

So go f.off with your conf.bias accusations cause that's clearly not true. To defend someone and blame me for "not giving her a chance" when she had all the chances in the world is also bullshit.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Vote stays on elusive slot. Ricola is now my top scum read afternthat. Blatant refusal to consider evidence and immediately disregard it as meta even when the meta clearly is different is SCUMMY as shit. When question about it you try to turn it back on me which is SCUMMY. Somebody is conf.biasing for sure, but its not me.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Ny183 is 180 from her play this game. Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

Speaking of lying, she did that this game and since scum need to lie to Lynch townies, she is scum

[WoodyWoodpecker]

What evidence? You have no evidence. You are bullshitting.

That's a lie cause you even responded to it...

[WoodyWoodpecker]

1. That's bullshit cause she was the one who was basically absent for 200 posts, not me

Your point being?

2. She was the one who was asked questions and refuses to answer them

No she didn't. Certainly none from you, anyway. Bullshit point.

3. I voted her for her refusal and then she decides to make up.lies about me.

Oh, you mean those two things that turned out to be truths? Or...what?

So you are the one who is purposely ignoring evidence. So are you scum and you are white knighting her or are you scum together.

Because there is NO CHANCE IN HELL you are town and purposely ignoring valid evidence.

So go f.off with your conf.bias accusations cause that's clearly not true. To defend someone and blame me for "not giving her a chance" when she had all the chances in the world is also bullshit.

Again, you have provided 0 evidence, let alone valid evidence.

You said you were a master at arguing, but that's simply delusional. Arguing is an art; it cannot be mastered by simply shouting the loudest while doing nothing to make or back up a cogent point.

1. My point being is YOU said I didn't give her the chance to play like that game. How was it my fault? Yeah that's bullshit.

2. Yes she did, Diego asked questions and she said she wasn't going to answer them because he didn't answer her rvs questions. It was that very reason i voted her. Why are you lying and ignoring stuff that ACTUALLY happened?

3. Nothing she said about me was true. Clearly you aren't reading this game. Yet another lie from you

4. Yes I did provide evidence, I even quoted it again. Lie much?

Also yes I realize I'm probably not using conf.bias right but idk what to call it when a person ignores all evidence and hangs their hat on "meta" when the meta is proven to be different. You provided me the link to the game to try and prove her town meta and her play was NOTICEABLY different.

So I don't give a fuck if you vote me cause I'm right, you are wrong (probably scum) and elusive is 100% scum.

Vote stays.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

In post 511, WoodyWoodpecker wrote:
2. She was the one who was asked questions and refuses to answer them
No she didn't. Certainly none from you, anyway. Bullshit point.

So you ready to be proved a liar?

VOTE: elusive
@elusive: give me an updated read on woody.

Just an fyi in general, unless you answered my RVS questions I'm probably going to ignore your questions\

blah blah blah and not really care to interact.

See the bolded? Yeah that proves you just lied protecting your scum buddy.

That's 2 scum caught. Yay town. Now let's Lynch elusive please

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Again, you have provided 0 evidence, let alone valid evidence.

Yet another lie. See the spoiler, even though I already quoted it once.

Spoiler:

Everything you scumread her for is present in that game

dude, in that game she is interacting with people and is giving her thoughts on things and explaining herself, these kind of posts don't really exist in this game

for example post 247 in that game - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p6748074

There isn't a single post in this game that resembles that.

Want more posts?

post 234, 307, 335... I could probably go on but I stopped at this post.

Ok, just so you know and I suppose the rest of town as well what has been working well for me in terms of scum hunting is questioning each wagon thoroughly. If a wagon leader or hoppers ons cannot explain their reads through ISO, behavior analysis, interaction analysis or evidence of some kind that makes sense, I'm going to question until either the persons on the crusade produce a strong case or I myself agree and have evidence to add.

Now this is confirmed townj elusive talking in the above post. Now show me where she did anything remotely similar in this game...

You can't, because she didn't. She isn't playing to her town meta so sorry but your meta defense of elusive is just been proven incorrect.


she is not playing the same as that game, not even close

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Pretty much answered all of this already, but there's still one thing I can do.

VOTE: Woody

So I beat you at an argument and prove you are a liar and you react by voting me?

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Happy Independence day everyone.

Early fireworks lol

Going to try and take the rest of the day off.

Later

[WoodyWoodpecker]

How wasn't it your fault?

It wasn't my fault cause I didn't make her lurk for 200 post
It wasn't my fault cause Diego didn't answer some silly rvs questions that made her refuse to answer his question.
It wasn't my fault cause I didn't force her to make up lies about me.

Are you serious right now?

OK slick. How was it my fault?

[WoodyWoodpecker]

She actually stated that she was more than willing to answer them if he answered her questions. How is that remotely scummy?

Cause rvs questions are less important than game related questions and refusing to answer game related questions is scummy.

Seriously?

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I am reading the game. Unlike you, though, I'm not making something out of nothing because I'm not a fucking scrub. Cite these instances and explain clearly what is scummy about them; but I already know you won't be able to.

I already did. If you were reading like you claim you would have seen them.

She posts this

Also finds Blue and Boon scummy so the obvious targets.

This is a lie because I never said I scum read boon or blue. The closest thing she could find was saying blue weirded me out, but that doesn't mean I scum read him.

Why is it scummy? Cause lying to push an agenda is something town doesn't do but scum has to.

Also this on

Switches to voting me, which is also easy. Boon is easy. Klingon is easy as well due to the number of people jumping on her

The vote on her wasn't easy imo, cause she was the one who refuses to answer a game related question. I was never voting or suspecting boon so that's a lie, I was the first serious vote on kling and others voted after so obviously that's a lie also.

The interesting thing is she admits to being suspicious of kling herself so that makes her guilty of the same thing she is accusing me of, except I started the kling wagon..

That's scummy again cause its lying and twisting the facts. Something scum has to do but town not so much

[WoodyWoodpecker]

You quoted jack shit's worth of evidence. Lie much???0?00?0??0?

I did. Twice now. Want me to quote it a 3rd time for you?

[WoodyWoodpecker]

It was your fault because you have the natural ability to infuriate anyone you so much as slightly negatively interact with. You brought out elusive rage mode far too early; notice that the posts you cited from Apocalypse were all equivalently from around the time you started attacking her.

You're implying she outright refused to answer the questions, which is not true. Also, some of her questions were actually relevant, and I can easily see town elusive with such an attitude as a result. Stop twisting shit.

So its my fault she lurked until she got called out?

It's my fault she refused to answer Diego's questions?

It's my fault she lied about me?

2 of these things happen before I even interacted with her so please again tell me how it was my fault that she did those 3 things?

You are grasping at straws dude

[WoodyWoodpecker]

You quoted jack shit's worth of evidence. Lie much???0?00?0??0?

I did. Twice now. Want me to quote it a 3rd time for you?

Here is a third

Again, you have provided 0 evidence, let alone valid evidence.

Spoiler:

Everything you scumread her for is present in that game

dude, in that game she is interacting with people and is giving her thoughts on things and explaining herself, these kind of posts don't really exist in this game

for example post 247 in that game - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p6748074

There isn't a single post in this game that resembles that.

Want more posts?

post 234, 307, 335... I could probably go on but I stopped at this post.

Ok, just so you know and I suppose the rest of town as well what has been working well for me in terms of scum hunting is questioning each wagon thoroughly. If a wagon leader or hoppers ons cannot explain their reads through ISO, behavior analysis, interaction analysis or evidence of some kind that makes sense, I'm going to question until either the persons on the crusade produce a strong case or I myself agree and have evidence to add.

Now this is confirmed townj elusive talking in the above post. Now show me where she did anything remotely similar in this game...

You can't, because she didn't. She isn't playing to her town meta so sorry but your meta defense of elusive is just been proven incorrect.


she is not playing the same as that game, not even close

Now I dare you to say I didn't provide evidence again.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

And when I ask you to provide evidence of her posting similar you say its my fault she didn't.

That's horseshit and if you are town you are absolutely terrible at this game. You have intentionally lied on multiple occasions. So me thinks you aren't town

[WoodyWoodpecker]

If you lack the ability to read then sure you can say that but the only thing I said about blue was he weirded me out. Unfortunately though that doesn't mean I think hes scum but fine I give elusive the benefit of the doubt on that one. Though the smart thing to do would have been to ask me what my read on him was.

Now boon I sheeped and even came out and said I don't see a scum read on him so if anyone thinks I was scum reading him after that obviously has no clue.

My elusive vote wasn't easy cause it was for a very scummy thing she did. I didn't even know how many votes she had nor did I care. She refused to answer a game related question and also refused to give reads about a player. Both very scummy things.

Also you posting me placing the second vote on kling actually proves my point and proved elusive point wrong. She said I voted after others were piling on. Obviously that wasn't true. And I was pushing the kling case way before anyone else was so her point on that was clearly false

[WoodyWoodpecker]

You don't seem to understand. I'm not saying you haven't provided evidence. The evidence you have provided, however, is not only worthless, but a point I have already dissected.

Orly?

Again, you have provided 0 evidence,

Cause that quote says you did say I provided no evidence.

Liar liar pants on fire

[WoodyWoodpecker]

And the evidence I did provide you just brushed it off and didn't consider any of it.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Fellow town, I propose at the very least a policy lynch on Woody for his general antitown shit-stirring play and most notably the bullshit shown above. Nothing progressive will come out of his further involvement in this game and he needs to learn the hard way that he cannot go on with this behaviour.

Yes policy Lynch me for winning the argument and proving both you and elusive lied.

I am not "shit stirring" I'm responding to your accusations and proving you wrong in the process.

I've done nothing anti-town either.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Yes, at that stage I didn't even treat it as evidence before you thrusted it at me because it was that much of a non-point.

I thrusted it at you? You do realize when somebody is proving an argument wrong you have to provide evidence to support it. So how is doing that very thing "thrusting" it at you?

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Yea it is a great counter cause I understand how to argue a case. Just like lawyers provide evidence in court. do you think jurors ignore it cause it was "thrust" on them? BTW nothing was thrusted on you anyway and admitting you ignored it on purpose is admitting to playing anti-town

But don't worry I won't push people to policy Lynch you for it...

P.edit - I'm none of those things. Sorry you feel that way

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Now.I'm done for today.

Happy 4th everyone, even you ricola

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Ehh it's one thing to tunnel. It's another to tunnel a lost cause. Town, in general, is more likely to realize when they should perhaps scumhunt elsewhere.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was a VI, but I see scum motivation behind his actions as well.

it's not a lost cause to me and yes I will death tunnel until they are lynched so if that is a problem for anyone than you better just lynch me now and then sheep me day 2 but elusive is 10000000000% scum


and no I am not a VI, I just know caught scum when I see it.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

^ this

People probably think I'm playing poorly, but I.think I've found scum and I don't see any better option. Now if I'm wrong, I'm wrong and had a bad game. Just like if you're are wrong that doesn't make you a bad player or evenna VI.

So I'm stubborn, that doesn't make me a VI. So what am.I guilty of exactly? Trying to Lynch my top scum read. Whats worse?
Tunneling or trying to waste time arguing with the tunneler who has already said he isn't changing his vote..

IMO its the 2nd because you don't need me to help you Lynch somebody else yet go bring the game to a halt trying to convince me to change my mind instead of using that same energy to push whoever go want to push..

Anyone who spends time.arguing with me or trying to change my mind and want voting me, is wasting their time, my time, and everyone.else's time.

And this is the last thing I'm going to say to.ricola

Right, you aren't pushing a policy lynch on me. You're pushing a scum lynch!

Exactly. I'm voting my top scum read NJ and not trying to policy Lynch you.

Have a nice life ricastle

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Why do you think hes town?

(No this does not mean I'm scum reading him elusive)

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Maybe it means jogger is scum and blue doesn't want to bus?

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Or everyone is now town reading jogger and hr doesn't want to catch flack for voting him

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Depends what it looks like, I don't get what you would be cropping out exactly.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Anyway, your read on Woody is almost soft. Very gently, very "Woody, you're fucking up, darn, I'm going to have to bus you."

Couple problems with that

1. I'm not scum
2. My play has been awesome

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Now would be a good time for anyone who feels really strongly about their scumspect to pitch me a cliff notes version of their case.

Elusive is scum cause she was not scum hunting and even tried to distract people from it by asking rvs type questions during the middle of the game.

She was called out for active lurking and then started to post. She was asked for a read on me by Diego but refused to answer until Diego answered her rvs questions. I voted her for it and then I immediately become her top scum read. She tried to make s case on me but it was full of inaccurate information and even bold face lies. I point those out and she tries to argue with me and even admits she was trying to get me to rage quit (probably cause she sees me as a threat) and when I say I'm not going to rage quit (cause I wasn't even raging ) she quits instead.

Now all these people say the quitting is a town tell for her cause of "meta" also its her "meta" to play emotional like this but I disagree with giving her a town read solely based on meta because meta can be manipulated. Now players tried to link me to past games to prove this was her meta but the only thing I saw similar was she does tend to only replace out as town but nobody should get a free ride got anti-town behavior.

I point out specific examples of how she was different in a game played with ricastle and he immediately ignored my evidence saying it was my fault that I didn't give her a chance to play properly which is clearly BS. Later hr actually tried to argue I didn't provide any meta arguments against her and then backtracks and says I didn't give any good evidence and then changes his tune again and says he ignored my evidence cause I somehow "thrusted" it on him

Do you get that?

1. Didn't provide any
2. The evidence wasn't good enough
3. Didnt read it, he ignored it...

How can all 3 statements be the truth

Oh and he votes me citing policy Lynch reasons saying I'm playing anti-town despite the fact that I'm actually trying to get my scum suspect lynched, I'm making arguments why they are scum, and I'm debating people who try to say I'm wrong by using actual evidence to show why I don't think I'm wrong.

So a Lynch on elusive slot or a Lynch on ricastle are the only acceptable lynches. If not those 2, my earlier case on kling still holds true and he's done nothing to improve his slot.

I'd appreciate it if you would actually play the game or replace out. That goes for any other lurker also.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

That wasn't an excuse you fucking clown

please do not curse at me. If you can't keep your emotions in check then please follow your scum buddy and replace out.

Where did I say I didn't read it?

sorry my bad, imo ignoring implies you didn't read it...

[WoodyWoodpecker]

(7) Do not be a douchebag, please! Attack the posts, not the player itself.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

That anger seems out of character. Maybe he's just frustrated (you are scumreading obvtown after all) but maybe there's more to it. I'll have to look over his other posts.

just because he says a player is obv town, doesn't make it the truth. If he gets upset when people don't believe him than I suggest he try a new game like Parcheesi or something.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

sure I posted a lot but idk if spamming is what you can call it. Most of my posts are me arguing my points and explaining why other points are wrong from my pov.

Isn't that how the game of mafia is played? Make arguments and try to convince people and then also debate the people who say you are wrong? I'll have to check my instruction manual but I believe that is how you play mafia.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

it's not bizarre actually, it took a while but people are seeing what i saw previously.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

That vote is looking increasingly tempting tbh.

it seems anyone who makes sense is a threat to you...

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I don't really have an issue with defending town reads but both elusive and boon were based off meta from what I can remember. Meta isn't reliable because meta can be manipulated. Neither of those 3 have played good enough to warrant strong defenses that ricastle is giving. I'm.not sure if hes trying to buddy them or not but these defenses just dont make sense to me.

He also spends more time defending his town reads then he does trying to Lynch his scum read. That also raises a red flag to me.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I'm not giving Woody a pass. My thing with him is that he has tunneled your slot past the point that scum would let it go. Honestly, at this point, if Woody moved his vote, I'd be more likely to vote him.

This is a bad post btw

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I think we'd be better off of we all ignored meta entirely, but just my 2 cents.

That's basically what I have been saying. If we ignore meta can a town case be made for elusive? I say no which is why I've been sticking to my guns. Ignoring meta nothing suggest elusive is town. Has naked done better? Tbh I haven't really noticed cause of all the back and forth

[WoodyWoodpecker]

not by anyone who has actually read this thread it isn't

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I see nothing wrong with his logic actually.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I don't typically see people getting accurate day reads day 1, let alone multiple town reads and certainly not strong enough that they would hard defend them. Now granted I am a n00b to this site so maybe people are different here but I have played for many years and still don't see it as commonplace.

I really think the only reason why you think I am scum is because of my earlier push on you, because I have literally done nothing scummy and from what i can tell. Looking through your iso you start calling me scum in post 37 and that just so happens to be after I started my push on you. First you try and say I was scum with OMG and now i'm scum with bagel...

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Klingon: I also dislike you assuming Boon was a PR from his face off comment. Gladiator isn't a common role at all and for you to pick that up as a crumb seems like scum looking for crumbs. In essence your whole play looks like scum

knowing

Boon is town and defending him blindly.

Why, exactly, do you think he is town?

yet another good post

inb4 kling calls me buddying again...

[WoodyWoodpecker]

that is a great quote by bagel because if anything looks like coaching, that post 100% does yet kling doesn't call that out does he....

[WoodyWoodpecker]

the one that slandaar quoted, the one that has the bold part at the end... it helps if you read before posting.

here since you are having issues

Elusive I'm really not liking your reaction to this wagon. You have barely posted and haven't even tried to scumhunt. This is a valid wagon and you're completely ignoring it. Do something town please.

why did you not call this out for coaching?

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I'm stunned by how universally wrong your reads are.

Did I call you scum?

BTW, unless you have inside knowledge you don't know of my reads are right or wrong. They just differ from yours apparently.

Don't criticize my reads until they are proven wrong, until then I think I'm right and.everyone else is wrong

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Ugh we are going to end up NL aren't we? Let's just vote naked and end this day. I promise I'll shut up tomorrow if you let me have this

[WoodyWoodpecker]

You're literally the only vote on Naked. Sorry but that lynch isn't happening today.

So nobody wants to Lynch scum?

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I think it's justified for someone to criticise a scumread on themselves.

So I'll ask you the same question I asked him.

Did I say I was scum reading him?


I pointed out the 'coaching " to kling to show kling's hypocrisy in not calling that out but calling out the "coaching" done to me (kling's opinion, not actual reality)

[WoodyWoodpecker]

So I'll ask you the same question I asked him.

Did I say I was scum reading him?

That's not what I was addressing. Also, you're scumreading me.

Well that's what we were basically talking about so what were you addressing then?

[WoodyWoodpecker]

My statement wasn't a general statement, it was a direct statement toward him. So you had no place to chime in or point out that I'm scum reading you.

Hate to go elementary on you but that that was an A & B conversation so C your way out of it...

[WoodyWoodpecker]

But just to clarify the scum read on you is completely justified cause of you were town you wouldn't just blatantly ignore arguments that show you could possibly be wrong. Instead you admitted to basically sticking your fingers in your ears screaming la la la la instead of acting like a rational adult and if you are not actually scum you are extremely immature and I'll never be playing with you again

[WoodyWoodpecker]

You're literally the only vote on Naked. Sorry but that lynch isn't happening today.

BTW what does it matter if others can't even come to s consensus?

I'll consider a ricastle Lynch as an alternative, other then that I'll vote kling but the fact ricastle is pushing him makes me doubt my read on him.

Like seriously how are people not even scum reading ricastle, didn't you all are his multiple back tracking posts?

[WoodyWoodpecker]

idk what wotc means but go right ahead. My play this game has been pretty good especially when naked and you flip scum.

sure I am arrogant but there isn't anything wrong with that.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Woody I would still lynch ricastle with you

Great.

Anyone else?

[WoodyWoodpecker]

YEAH VOTE DIEGO

Probably not going to happen

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Site rules and all, but Klingon is town.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I read it as he is using info/meta from an ongoing game but obviously he can't comment about it. I come to that conclusion because that seems to be standard for this site. Its not the first time I have seen somebody try and bring in info from an ongoing game. I guess people really have trouble following that rule...

I don't think blue is claiming mason with anyone, and I don't really think boon is also although it's possibe. I can't tell what boon is doing actually

[WoodyWoodpecker]

there is no rule as to using that as a basis for voting.

no but it's still bad to do because in a game where people have to be able to explain their reasoning for their votes and reads, using an ongoing game prevents that from happening making it harder to read you.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

3 hours and kling is on v/la

[WoodyWoodpecker]

mod request deadline extension until he gets back from v/LA

[WoodyWoodpecker]

vote: kling

[WoodyWoodpecker]

^l-1

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Hopefully I can track down scum when I reread during night.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Thx

unvote

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I'm now suspicious of zoronos but can't put into words why

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Cause we don't have time to start a new wagon and if you don't we will NL which is bad.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

we don't have time to start a new wagon

[WoodyWoodpecker]

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[WoodyWoodpecker]

I.don't really like.either of these wagons. My top 2 scum reads are on kling and I only seen 1 bad post from Diego

P.edit - so lets Lynch naked or ricola

[WoodyWoodpecker]

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Woody, you're telling us we don't have time for a new wagon, but you want to lynch Jogger or Ricastle, both of whom have 0 votes. Which is it?

Those are my preferred wagons but do/you see me viting for either of them?

No

I'm waiting for kling to return and claim before I put him at l-1. Don't want him at l-1 when he's not around for fear of a quick hammer

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I.don't really like.either of these wagons. My top 2 scum reads are on kling and I only seen 1 bad post from Diego

P.edit - so lets Lynch naked or ricola

Yes, Diego made 1 terrible post, then gave up because he got pressured. How are you not on this after you felt elusive's replace out was scummy?

The 1 bad post he made was before he made other posts. I don't see where he gave up like elusive did. I don't even see where he has given up at all but then again Ive not really paid attention

[WoodyWoodpecker]

vote: kling

[WoodyWoodpecker]

It's almost deadline, he's getting lynched

[WoodyWoodpecker]

No there isn't

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I'm probably not going to vote him cause I want naked or ricola

So who you going to get?

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Am I asking him to claim? He had his chance, deadline is near. It's time to end the day

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Found it!

VOTE: WoodyWoodpecker

This is scum.

Nope

What else you got?

[WoodyWoodpecker]

It's Day 1; not a single person should actually be super solid on ANY of their reads, so I find it kind of ridiculous that so many people are "positive" that Klingon is scum. And that is why someone on Klingon is definitely scum.

Disagree, people can be super solid on reads day 1

[WoodyWoodpecker]

3... 2... 1... lift off!

Unvote, Vote: zakk

Same coalition applies but it got even more doable with the addition of RC

scummy switch

fuck it

VOTE: zakk

really scummy switch

Not everyone can be scum so basically anyone voting you is scummy?

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Welp, here we go with the No Lynch...

Naked and ricola are scum why the fuck aren't people seeing this?

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I'm questioning you cause your reactions are shit.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Well since we are still trying to Lynch scum

vote: naked

Sheep me to victory

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I'm not voting the Elusive slot for being anti-town. I learned that lesson.

Than vote them for being scum

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Boonskiies needing to defend himself.

Whatever, I've obvtowned myself too much to not be the NK.

Instalynch him tomorrow.

You really haven't

[WoodyWoodpecker]

So your reason is something unprovable? Uhh

[WoodyWoodpecker]

I have no.idea.what you.are.talking about

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Well yeah of.course.it is. Thanks for stating the obvious.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Does /s mean stupid or scum? Cause anyone who thinks I'm scum is stupid or scum. No Townie who has actually read this game would think my play was scummy

Those were Townie reactions cause I'm.town. Lynch

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Boon, can you show me a single game where you commented RCs play or sheeped him?

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Boon, can you show me a single game where you commented RCs play or sheeped him?

Yeah, I criticize his play a lot. But he finds scum in people when I have no clue who is. He just gets super epic tunnely.

So that's not really answering my question

[WoodyWoodpecker]

OK wasn't sure. My bad

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Meh, I could see why RC thinks you are scum. RC didn't enter this game so good to warrant that reaction from you.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

And it seems the feeling is mutual, granted I'll have to go through your games tomorrow.

Anyway can we Lynch naked already?

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Hadn't he been here before?
Hadn't he been all the time?
Some had a strange intuition that something... should have been different. As if something had changed somewhere in Space/Time?
But noone was talking about their intuition at that time. There were much more urgent things to do.

RadiantCowbells has replaced Diego1487

Frankly, what was to have been would be going on with about for Space/Time yet again so, need it must?

The Deadline is (expired on 2015-07-14 00:02:00)

Deadline is this one

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Woody we're not lynching town. Sorry.

Someone vote Klingon and end the day. We're already past deadline.

1. Naked isn't town so there's that...
2. No we aren't past deadline

[WoodyWoodpecker]

UNOFFICIAL Vote Count

Klingoncelt

(3) – Slandaar, NakedJogger, Ricastle

RadiantCowbells

(3) – Radja, PointYBagelS, Boonskiies

Boonskiies

(2) – RadiantCowbells, zakk

PointYBagelS

(2) – Klingoncelt, Zoronos

NakedJogger

(2) – BlueMoonRising, WoodyWoodpecker

zakk

(1) – OhGodMyLife

The Deadline is (expired on 2015-07-14 00:02:00)

Klingoncelt

is on V/LA until Jul 12 2015

PointyBagelS

is on V/LA until Jul 14 2015

See you all in the morning. Hopefully.

*dun dun duuuuun*

This should be the correct VC and the correct deadline.

I am not sure I believe kling's claim but we aren't lynching him today now. so we have time for Naked and I swear to god if somebody says he is town and can't provide a reason THAT DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND HIM REPLACING OUT. than I don't want to hear shit from you. If elusive does turn out to be town I will be bringing it up with the list or site mods because setting up a precedent of replacing out as 1 alignment and not the other I am pretty sure is a trust tell. Looking through the ban announcements another player got in trouble for this previously so I know it is a violation.

[WoodyWoodpecker]

Oh, Woody unvoted just before Boon voted. Right.

Anyone up for a OGML wagon?

no but why don't you buss your buddy naked. It's a great strategy for town cred