Open 596: Mega PopCorn Mafia - Over

[Not_Mafia]

Titus

is the Gun Bearer

She has

(expired on 2015-07-18 20:00:00)

to shoot

[Wanderer-nl]

Nah if it didn't matter who you'd shoot the game would be over by now so we should definitely try to find the goon.

[Titus]

Mod: What happens if I shoot the vengeful?

Wanderer, I would like it if you stopped speculating and told me why CB needs to be shot.

[Not_Mafia]

Mod: What happens if I shoot the vengeful?

Arc Angel's win-con update in 933 is ambiguous. But due to the distinction she made in the town win-con about a 1v1 with a vengeful goon being a draw and due to mafia typically having to choose a gun bearer after a vengeful goon is shot rather than one being appointed automatically, I believe her intention was for a town win in this situation.

[Wanderer-nl]

@Titus: Yeah I just finished my post on CB but not sure if I want to post before CB and Kari posted. The tl;dr version of it is that I think Kari is vengeful so you should shoot CB.

mod if that's the case then it doesn't matter whether the goon or the vengeful gets shot today, as long as Titus hits scum?

[Wanderer-nl]

Something just hit me (besides me being an idiot sometimes).
Also, here's my post anyway.

From CB's 257:

Also I now think Vonflare is unlikely to be the vengeful goon here. I think vengeful goons will probably play more cautiously here since their survival is the utmost importance and I don't think they would be the first one to come out with a read list on every single player in the game. That would be just be getting the unnecessary attention of every player.

and 632:

I think that mafia goon ideally would be throwing scum on unpushed targets...[/post]
So far CB fits this profile of goon a lot better. The thing is that dcl (Kari replaced into that slot) wasn't really all that cautious, she was actually pretty vocal until she found out Nacho was gonna take his time before making a shot (and then replaced out).
Just rechecked CB's most latest posts, and he doesn't address or mention Kari at all after lucky (he was the second-to-last vengeful). I think my gut is right. I also know I should trust my gut more. I'm thinking CB is trying to make us forget about Kari, which makes me believe scum want Kari to live because she's the last vengeful.

[Wanderer-nl]

Something just hit me (besides me being an idiot sometimes).
Also, here's my post anyway.

From CB's 257:

Also I now think Vonflare is unlikely to be the vengeful goon here. I think vengeful goons will probably play more cautiously here since their survival is the utmost importance and I don't think they would be the first one to come out with a read list on every single player in the game. That would be just be getting the unnecessary attention of every player.

and 632:

I think that mafia goon ideally would be throwing scum on unpushed targets...

So far CB fits this profile of goon a lot better. The thing is that dcl (Kari replaced into that slot) wasn't really all that cautious, she was actually pretty vocal until she found out Nacho was gonna take his time before making a shot (and then replaced out).
Just rechecked CB's most latest posts, and he doesn't address or mention Kari at all after lucky (he was the second-to-last vengeful). I think my gut is right. I also know I should trust my gut more. I'm thinking CB is trying to make us forget about Kari, which makes me believe scum want Kari to live because she's the last vengeful.

ebwop

[Not_Mafia]

mod if that's the case then it doesn't matter whether the goon or the vengeful gets shot today, as long as Titus hits scum?

If Goon is shot today then if Vengeful is shot the following day the game would end in a town win, if town was shot the following day, the game would end in a draw.

[Wanderer-nl]

Yeah I missed something, I'm gonna stop thinking about this and make sure we find the goon. Safest option.

[Titus]

Your answer has been notated and is telling. Of What? Stay tuned for CB's answer and maybe my reply after that.

[CB]

Dang I got fooled pretty hard this game.

I'm trying to figure out how to play this game and I don't even know how to respond further without blatantly dropping towntells.

I really didn't think this was something that mafia would be likely to admit to, well played. As well as her train of thought posting style which I thought was towny.

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CB Why should I shoot Wanderer

Well guessing her being confirmed mafia from my POV isn't enough I have iso'd her and wrote down what I gleamed.

-In 288 she talks about how she doesn't care how she is perceived but in 259 and 270 she gives indicators of self filtration and in fact she does care how she is perceived. This implies fakery.

-In 178 224 pushes on partners early but rescinds scum reads off of them very quickly 298. They weren't the strongest pushes so I think it is clear it was early distancing.

-548 She attacked enomis for scumreading her partner lucky.

-1606 - Isn't an explanation on why I am mafia because she knows I am town.

Some General thoughts: I feel like she has relied heavily on apathy and confusion to get through the game. Also she hasn't been pushed on by any of the flipped mafia.

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As for Kari, Feirei, deep-city-lights

-They have pretty much lurked the entire game.

-Their pushes have been on popular targets.

-They have played in a scummy way(lurky) but have not been pushed on by any mafia. That should be telling.

[CB]

I asked Arcangel before for a rule clarification and mafia has to outrun town strength meaning if it is one town against one goon it is a town win. So shooting a goon or vengeful first doesn't matter here. The only thing that matters is that the vengeful gets shot before me.

Shoot orders:
-->Goon -->Vengeful- Win
-->Goon --> Town -Tie
-->Vengeful -Win
-->Town - Loss

[Titus]

Ok, Kari now tell me who you shoot and why?

[Titus]

Hmm, do I shoot the obvious scum or the one I think will outright win the game?

[Titus]

Not liking that a scum fooled nacho

[Titus]

Shoot CB

Sorry in advance if I am wrong.

[Not_Mafia]

CB

Mafia Goon

has been shot day 13

Titus

is still the Gun Bearer

She has

(expired on 2015-07-20 20:00:00)

to shoot

[Titus]

Shoot Wanderer

[Not_Mafia]

Titus

Gun Bearer

has shot herself day 14

Spoiler:

Wanderer-nl

Gun Bearer

shoots

Kari

Vengeful Goon

It's a tie!

Mafia PT

[vonflare]

???

[Titus]

Wanderer, why the fuck were you wanting to shoot the goon when vengeful was autowin? Arrrrghhh...

[Suzune]

I was so happy when CB was mafia, because you all thought I was crazy for wanting to shoot him. Anyway it was a pretty fun game. I would play another popcorn game.

[Not_Mafia]

I like the addition of vengeful goons to this set -up but think the win-cons still need work

Any ideas?

[CB]

Dang it we were so close to winning

[vonflare]

ggg