Saki Achiga-hen episode of side-A Mafia [OK]

[Benjamin Applebaum]

egotistical first

VOTE: scumcho

[Benjamin Applebaum]

I have been waiting to make my hot blooded return to Mafia for a while now so of COURSE the mod opens the fucking game while I'm on the can.

VOTE: notsci

Until he inno child tells and then proceeds to be left alive till day eight billion anyways.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Btw, serious post-

If anyone in this game is a spamfuck who gets like 400 fucking posts day 1 or something absurd, or if anyone is lurkaderping like a motherfucker and constantly giving empty promises about catching up, they need to be purged with fire.

Thoughts?

[Benjamin Applebaum]

She means on a personal level.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

It must be my devilish charm.

I'm curious yes, but the same could be said for you and most of the denizens of my wagon.

pedit-

I SAID IT FIRST NO FAIR

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Whoa whoa whoa

hold the fucking phone

This wagon on me isn't a pl, varsoon.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Varsoon is giving me advance wars varsoon feels, I'm leaning town on him.

Cabd feels like gut-town to me. It's a bit of the cocky "if you read my play you'll have am uch easier time" just felt genuine.

ZZZX feels natural thus far.

As does Mara.

Ipie's comments regarding me/my wagon make me lean town on him too!

[Benjamin Applebaum]

You just feel like you're derping all around the thread.

Idk!

What motive do you as scum have to question my read on you?

[Benjamin Applebaum]

egotistical first

VOTE: scumcho

I have been waiting to make my hot blooded return to Mafia for a while now so of COURSE the mod opens the fucking game while I'm on the can.

VOTE: notsci

Until he inno child tells and then proceeds to be left alive till day eight billion anyways.

I suppose in my heat of the moment i forgot notsci was in a hydra, please make that a vote on the notsci hydra.



TIA mod~

Benjamin Applebaum (3) - Cabd, ZZZX, Kuro Matsumi

VOTE: Kuro

Besides the fact I like most of the rest of the wagon, I feel like asking who I am when weve been talking aobut me, I've posted IN THREAD on my main and quoted it, and cabd's posts above, I feel like that's scum trying to look busy.

Anyways varsoon, I have no real specifics. Like I just kinda read your posts and was like "I think this is town'

[Benjamin Applebaum]

I have not

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Btw, serious post-

If anyone in this game is a spamfuck who gets like 400 fucking posts day 1 or something absurd, or if anyone is lurkaderping like a motherfucker and constantly giving empty promises about catching up, they need to be purged with fire.

Thoughts?

Just so everyone's clear, this is still intended to be a thing.

@Marquis, I really doubt that reachout comes from you as town.

Survivor springs to mind as the most recent game where we were both town, where you specifically made a comment to how unsure you were regarding your read on me because I can manipulate my meta nad all that.

So why the reachout?

I also find singers aggression unnerving, but I'm not hankering for her head on a platter.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Bulge not me

[Benjamin Applebaum]

It's not the aggression so much so that it's you running out of the gates with it

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Those are two votes on me alright

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Okay then, I guess this should be pretty much solved for you then?

I said it was unnerving, I didn't say I had a fully solidified read on you.

pedit-
VOTE: Marquis

That is literally

the same shit you do

EVERY single time you draw scum against me.

Fakegod's waltz game, xmen both spring to mind.

pedit-

Clearly I'm so intent on shutting you down instead of cabd or nacho or singer or mastin.

Clearly.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Like, notscience witnessed Team Mafia, he's witnessed me interact with scum, we've talked about my playstyle and how I poke and question people and then come to conclusions about them, and he either wasn't listening then or is choosing not to now. Either way, saying my aggression is weird when he has literally witnessed me get aggressive when I think I'm onto something is flat out wrong. Then saying he's not interested in voting me is just keeping me at bay...which is just rude.

So the real questions are: is my aggression called for? Am I not asking the right questions? Am I not coming to the right conclusions?

Maybe these are the things you should address before blindly dismissing my posts as "unnerving."

Preview Edit:
*sigh*

Examples, Notty? Show me where Marquis does this?

And really...after Sunday night I really expected you to engage in a conversation with me before dismissing me as aggressive. Why didn't you bother reading anything I've had to say?

I'm not interested in starting THIS

until I'm confident

And its moreso because you just came raring out of the gate with a vote and I explicitly remember you saying how you had been scumread a lot in newbie games for playing passive and trying to figure things out before you charge in and here you just charged in and im sitting here like wtf that is not what she said she does and I know shes had like 1 scumgame so what exactly am I supposed to think?

I am looking for your links now.

VOTE: benji*

i mean it should be pretty clear what's going on
i'm kind of sick of letting my paranoia burn everything down and being wrong anyway especially when it comes to you and ms
so this game is trying to be like new glass bridges and glass walls and all

but so far only one of you is probably town and guess what it is notttttt-y-ou

This is what I'm referring to in when I say he does this all the time btw. He always finds a way to make me feel bad about possibly suspecting him.

Spring Waltz

Its the way he caters to me, I'm really susceptible to emotionally compromising my reads.

X-men

This is more of how he plays up his paranoia when playing with me. In Survivor it's more of a throwaway comment regarding the paranoia. He was town there, but it felt like "yeah im not fantastic at reading him" but its not like an attempt to make me feel guilty or an attempt to overplay the paranoia.

@Nacho- Think how you used to talk about my paranoia regarding you/ffery, how it seemed boundless but at the same time hard to replicate as scum

Thats kinda what Im going for here

[Benjamin Applebaum]

I guess what I am trying to say is that scum marquis likes to play up paranoia and/or make me feel guilty for suspecting/potentially suspecting him and thats what I see him doing here

pedit-

Stop fucking posting unless you actually intend to do shit, or you're getting lynched.

pedit-

Hey you I need you to read bulge and figure out our alignment for me so I can sheep it tia

also if you dont do things tomorrow i purge you with fire :>

[Benjamin Applebaum]

I don't really know.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Just so we're clear, MS

I am not joining your brat pack.

@Farside- It started off as the old wagon like it used to, the "run notsci up and make him flail!" to try and read me

Then I shut down marquis's reachout which apparently made me scum?

misunderstanding regarding singer

no fucking idea regarding ms

AND IT WASNT A PL VARSOON

nor have I ever been

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Yeah this singer/bins fight is stopping right now.

Singer, give her space. She literally just got here and while I see your points against her, some of the stuff youve said attacks her more than call in her scum (I'm referring to you saying shes not worth listening to) and I think if she's scum its something we will notice over the long run, not when she's barely got in the game. The fact she gave a read on me rather than make an excuse saying she Wil wait to read bulge makes me think she's town, anyways.

Bins- I want your thoughts on marq, sonic, and singer (do you think this engagement cones from town or scum singer?)

Like I understand that it looks like shes not trying to interpret things. Im just asking you to give her some space to get I the game rather than shut her down.

Because just giving a townread won't appease me? She has two people to worry about in this hydra, im decent at reading her and bulge si pretty good. Like I can see what you're saying that it doesn't feel like shes trying to sort people out, but I think putting her on her back foot isnt going to let town her try to figure things out. And I see that shes taking the engage and call in you absurd instead of trying to read you but I also remember in pokemon I came up with a scumrradjng on her early that I mentioned and she started to shut down (as town) which im tryin to avoid. I dint remember specifics, ill check when I get home. All im saying is, give her a bit of space. See what she does.

town namely due to the frustration people aren't listening ti you, plus I can Se this bins read coming mor from town you over scum you

Look, just giving her space and let me try to work wit her.

What do you think of sonic and marquis, singer?

I don't get this en masse reaction. Bins and singer are having a bit of a debate and suddenly like four people swoop in trying to shut it down. I don't care if you think you know someone oooo give them space oooo. It's cliquey and also frankly stupid. If Bins can't produce other content while under fire from one or two people, that's just sad, so cut this crap out. It's pointless whiteknighting.

b) jesus christ notty post in your damn hydra

Was at work trying to avert the situation before it happened.

(TheNotBuldge hydra's looking fairly scum to me, though.)

Oh fuck no

Bring it on

(For the record, though, will trust Mara's judgment on notty more than my own; while I might have a read different and circumstances certainly make notty look bad in the earlygame, I don't actually know notscience as well as Mara does, and I trust her to read notty right so whatever she says overrides what I say at least in that area.)

...

ew

Incidentally, I've lost the scumread I had on TheNotBuldge.[/quote
Damn straight

Town-
Singer
Bins
ipie
professor emotion
cabd

mebbbetown-
Varsoon
Ceph (but this is subject to change based on how fucking annoying he is)

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Hey far are you townreading marquis?

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Your vote is bad (and you should feel bad)

Now, are you townreading marquis?

If you have no opinion you should join this wagon.

It seems a lot of people in this playerlist have no issue with this wagon yet it currently only has 3 peopel on it!

pedit-

Because I say so?

I've already stated one of the reasons.

Overall, her v singer felt like TvT.

Bulge said he doesn't think she'd drag out the argument as scum.

So.

Both of us are independently townreading her

and that means I get to argue with the wagon!

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Meh Dislike, wouldn't actively defend
Voidedmafia
Bins
Marquis
Varsoon (Possibly down one, borderline)

Also kinda want to vote Marquis but feel like Cabd's the better vote.

You two in particular have marquis low on your readslists so should have no issue joining this wagon

And a bunch of people haven't talked about marquis or are null!

@Fars-

I'm scumreading him for things I've said earlier and just overall I think the "scum in friends" thing feels fake. Like, I sometimes approach games like that but it just doesn't feel genuine. There's the stuff I said earlier too.

Bulge said he likes him for scum but didn't really elaborate on it but I'll ask him for his further thoughts.

But the fact I'm townreading everyone on the wagon makes it so much better.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Is it town or scum

use your words :p

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Gotta give me more than that.

What in particular is not making sense?

[Benjamin Applebaum]

I do that as both alignments.

The rationale behind is (as town) would be "why do scum want this lynch? If scum want it then I don't want it" whereas with scum it could be to avoid bussing, to try and keep the wagon from getting larger on that person so they can be ml'd later, whathaveyou

Which of these do you think is most likely?

pedit-

Can it, whiteknighting is my job

[Benjamin Applebaum]

If you think it's from town why does it matter if it makes sense or not?

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Hey y'all

I'm gonna be reading and sharing thoughts in our fb chat but notscience will be doing most of the posting because I'm working at camp and I only have my phone on me for an hour a day and on weekends. I'll post myself as often as possible but idk yet how often that is.

ANYWAY

Pretty much everything I've said has already been iterated here except that I'm getting townvibes from voided.

Reminding myself to meta Metal Sonic and to ISO singer tonight when the campers are asleep.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

What are the reads you got?

I'm going to need a lot more than that from you, but that can come tomorrow.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Singer I have a bunch of stuff I want to bounce off of you when I get home from work

So keep an eye out later for my Mastin impersonation if you would

[Benjamin Applebaum]

1. Benjamin Applebaum (hydra of notscience and The Bulge)

Spoiler: Thoughts

2. Gin and Sonic (hydra of Mac and Metal Sonic)

Spoiler: Thoughts

First off, he seems rather toned down, but regardless he's still not really doing anything so I have no qualms lynching him.

Tl;dr- If you want to wagon him I'm game.

3. ZZZX

Spoiler: Thoughts

I like that he's actually doing things in thread. It's a nice change from the ZZZX I remember. That being said, I know he's self-professed good lategame, so seeing so much of him early game is kinda bothering me because normally he's a member of the lurkmass. I don't think it's inherently scummy, just something bothering me.

Tl;dr- What do you think of someone usually residing in the lurkmass, claiming to be better late or if pressured, suddenly being active early?

4. Cabd

Spoiler: Thoughts

I like him for town primarily due to his reachout to mara and the way he's interacting with her as well as his push on lufan reads as legitimate and I'm not sure I see a world where scum-cabd pushes potential lynchbait this early. That being said, I like his engagement in the game.

Tl;dr- What do you think of his engagement with Mara and the game as a whole?

5. Elbirn

Spoiler: Thoughts

Okay this one might be a bit lengthy. First and foremost, I'm thinking about his stupid post restriction thing. While it has no actual effect on his game other than vocabulary, it makes me think back to a micro I played a while ago on a scumteam with saulres/jake from state farm hydra, where saulres gave me a PR because I love the PRs I got from his random games where he rick rolls people. I played with the PR, and while yes I would have done it as either alignment, it was brought up I could do it as a way to avoid communication. Here it just seems extraneous and I'm wondering if it's supposed to be a distraction.

But then he goes and drops it almost immediately which could mean he's town.

I don't like him potentially trying to leash sonic however I do like him trying to work with bins kinda? It kinda balances out how I feel like he's avoiding the lufan wagon like the plague and it bothers me, I have a tinfoil theory about this but its really batshit. I think he's probably town.

Tl;dr- What do you think of his early post restriction claim thing, as well as his interactions regarding bins and lufan?

6. Profgessor Emotion (hydra of mastin2 and Ms Marangal)

Spoiler: Thoughts

I am primarily basing my read on this slot based on Mara, whose engagement early with Cabd seemed to be more indicative of town-Mara. I'm not sure how I feel about both of them tunneling Cabd.

Tl;dr- Thoughts on them both tunneling Cabd?

7. Kuro Matsumi

Spoiler: Thoughts

I just read your catchup and I kinda like your read on her, namely your explanation of the kneejerk vote. I can buy Kuro-town.

8. Voidedmafia

Spoiler: Thoughts

I have nothing really to say, bulge thinks voided is town.

9. Bins

Spoiler: Thoughts

First and foremost, sorry for jumping in the middle of that earlier.

So, besides what I've already said for why I'm townreading her, there's been some stuff giving me pause. It took her a rather long time to get going after I tried to destroy her wagon, and the time it took as well as there was some buddying of the two of us which I can understand coming from either alignment but there's a little voice in the back of my head saying maybe she's scum. I see your points fully about her not doing things, but I think that when I destroyed the wagon to allow her the chance to get in this game,it took her a long time to actually do so. And even when she did, it's not a ton. So I need to see a lot more from her before i'm fully satisfied.

Tl;dr- sorry and what are your thoughts on her taking so long to get started after I shouted down the wagon/the buddying?

10. Bitmap

Spoiler: Thoughts

If he doesn't start doing things I would have no qualms lynching him.

11. lufan131

Spoiler: Thoughts

If he doesn't start doing things I would have no qualms lynching him. I'm not sure I want him alive in lylo, should we get there.

12. Marquis

Spoiler: Thoughts

His interactions are still weird, and I do agree that it looks like he's trying to abate you. Along with stuff I've already said, I have no issues with this wagon. That being said, I don't think he's scum with sonic- Both of them could have easily outyelled us by now and spammed the thread to apathy. So if sonic's scum, marquis probably isn't and vice versa.

13. Xtoxm

Spoiler: Thoughts

I hate his readslist for obvious reasons and I want to know more about why his reads are what they are. That being said, I'm a fairly universal townread so I don't think scum would come out with me that low?

14. Nachomamma8

Spoiler: Thoughts

That post you mentioned in your catchup also bugs me because it's like, "Hey, I want to play with this guy! But I'm not going to /actually/ be here to play I'm just going to say I want to as an excuse not to post!" rather than condemn those who are. He also didn't even acknowledge my post about lynching the spamfucks and lurkers- which, for someone who is avoiding posting to limit spam, seems awful sketchy.

Tl;dr- More elaboration on the quote you had an issue with

15. Chandra Nalaar

Spoiler: Thoughts

I would not actively oppose this wagon, but it's more due to annoyance than anything else.

16. pidgey

Spoiler: Thoughts

See what I said about xtom's catchup and not putting a fairly common townread in scumreads. I'm not really attached to this read though.

17. Varsoon

Spoiler: Thoughts

I don't really have much to say about him, honestly. I think he's town. That's about it.

18. singersigner

Spoiler: Thoughts

Scummiest scumfuck who ever fucked townies up as scum.

19. InflatablePie

Spoiler: Thoughts

My read hasn't really changed from where it was earlier. I think ipie feels town.

20. farside22

Spoiler: Thoughts

Okay, so this is a read that's bothering me. Farside is a rampant tunneler, by her own admission. In Survivor, we had tribal votes at the end of each phase- these were secret, so it was proposed in order to limit scum's effectiveness that we all blockvote. When we brought this to that tribe, she ignored it because she was that adamant in her reads. I don't see why someone who gets so adamant in their reads as town, would avoid voting someone because A) Another scumread was voting them, or B) Because I said so?

Tl;dr- Farside's behaviors regarding her scumreads don't make sense from someone who is a rampant tunneler.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

I AM EXCITABLE OKAY

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Whoops.

Busy weekend, catching up tomorrow on my day off.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Here tomorrow, wifi was out for most of the day.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Okay I am back now, expect goodposting tonight.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Spoiler: voided response

Either its an attempt to break the trend to be good early and late-game, or it's indicative of a different alignment where he would be better simply because of the information he'd have aka being scum. Idk if there's enough from him to really say which way it goes, though, or if there's possibly a third option.

That's what I was thinking. I've had games in the past where i went in trying to be better and I remember it being commented on, the chance of a playstyle shift is low as scum. So I'm not sure, it's making me nervous.

Idk if it speaks more of him than of me, but the most I recall is his interaction with Mara. And in some ways he did look worse off. But now he's said tat he's had crash issues at work(?), though that might be more for recent things than with what happened before. It's hard to really say much of anything about him because after that I think he basically disappeared. It looks suspect because he's not there, but maybe there's something else to it?

His disappearance is null.

Hated it.

Bins I don't remember. I dislike that he says that lufan is an enigma and essentially is a lurksack throughout the game, and advises us to talk to him, but doesn't seem to have done much to do the same, so...

Hypocrisy isn't a scumtell, though.

Seems town? I mean, if it was Mastin I'd kinda think it was more town than scum because I don't really see the narrative to it (or maybe I don't have the entire picture, so eh). It's just annoying that they aren't there as of late (I mean, they voted nacho with a pair of wonky posts, but).

Also, Mastin, please don't place too much emphasis on our recent games together in part because you've known I was town in every single one. And because I haven't been scum in nearly 2 years. Read me for me, now that we're actually playing separately.

Yeah, I could see an argument either way.

Btw, even though I didn't include the full thing, why does the lack of spam make Sonic and marquis at total opposites? Why couldn't they be on the same team and agree that spamming would be counter-productive?

See: WW pt of open 600. Marquis came into the game wanting to spam it with me- now, metal sonic makes me look like mafiassk. Don't you think if they were aligned, they would jump at the chance?

Ehm...I'm too lazy to look back right now, but did you see any of the point I initially brought up about him? How did you feel he fared in our 1on1?

if this point is the thing about his "Im trying to improve blahblahblah" my first instinct when I read that post was to cringe. Like I can understand some of your issues with him I just.. think he's town. And I know that's a huge copout but

@Xtoxm...you know what bothers me more than
spammy/fluff posters? People who chime in with pretty much nothing when they've contributed pretty much nothing.

Is this your comment on his catchup you're referring too? If yes, I do agree it's rather grating but at the same time I'm not sure its alignment indicative >_>

going to post this now bfore my internet cuts out some more!

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Nacho what thread are you reading?

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Wagon on someone my other head+singer are townreading that consists of only one person I'd call relatively confident town.

Lead, by the person I'm wagoning.

Everything is kosher here.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

b

[Benjamin Applebaum]

hi guys!

pedit-

oh for fucks sake

really wisdom

[Benjamin Applebaum]

How about everyone shuts the fuck up

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Here are the people I am willing to vote before my catchup

Marquis slot
Wisdom
Sonic
Bitmap
Maybe xtoxm if I /have/ to.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Wisdom, shut the fuck up.

I am not asking you again.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

VOTE: Gin and sonic

Marquis slot is still scum.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Come on wisdom, come yell at me about how town MS is

Pretend I actually care

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Mara for fucks sake

Stay on sonic or join the marquis wagon this last minute xtom wagon won't happen

I will seriously consider it tomorrow but rightn ow we need marquis slot/ms slot dead.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

You have my word I will look into it in depth tomorrow if you help me lynh Marquis slot today

Hell even if you lynch sonic I'll still consider it.

pedit-

nobooooooooooody caaaaaaaaaaaaaares

pedit-

MAra please

We cant dabble in this "at deadline" shit

thats when the spamfucks (wisdom, sonic) have the most pull

which is what we DO NOT WANT

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Fuck the chandra wagon

I'm a rebel

And maybe it wouldn't be so hostile if you weren't the embodiment of the site's current meta I'm dead set on destroying!

I'm warming up to the Constantine wagon while he posts places that aren't here, though.

Join me nacho

Look at how town this wagon is

/look at it/

someone said that this has been the counterwagon to every other major wagon today

or maybe it is just that every other major wagon has been a counterwagon to this

pedit-

Some do.

And that's what I'm trying to eliminate. Look at how I came in to the game, what I said on page fucking one.

This site has gone into overly hostile spamfuckery.

I've seen old games done in 40 pages.

Games these days surpass 40 on day 1.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Hey there boys and girls

I really love your last second vanity wagons and all but we don't have time to get these started.

Pick a main wagon.

(Marquis, Sonic, Chandra) and vote there.

Consolidate.

I'm not taking this game until the final hour.

pedit-

I know.

Trust me, I know.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

VOTE: St constantine

Mara, please vote here. I will look in depth at xtom tomorrow if you do.

Nacho, if you would be willing to vote him, please do.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Kuro, you can trust me.

Singer thinks you're town and that's good enough for me at the moment.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

You do realize that the people on this wagon aren't pushing it with PL reasonings, correct. You are making it out to be a PL wagon when it isn't.

pedit-

Oh, that's right

Wisdom's feeding it into people's heads it's a policy lynch

trying to take control of the game by being spammy

like scum wisdom does

@Nacho- You know how much I despise last second scrambles. Please.

@Kuro- If singer wants to, I will. I understand your annoyance at him and the frustrations. Re Nacho: I hate last second wagon scrambles. As I've said (recently, in fact) it gives spamers too much power. Town is a unit. We work together. It is not "do what the spammers say" which is what will inevitably happen if we wait too long to consolidate.

pedit-

Good then vote him.

pedit-

Everyone painting this as a policy lynch isn't reading the game.

pedit-

KURO

NO DEADLINE LOLWAGONS.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Mara, cabd, nacho, ipie

All aboard.

pedit-

Kuro this is why I hate deadline wagons and I truly am sorry I have to be this pressing.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Hi Sakura!

[Benjamin Applebaum]

In all honesty, I'm a bit gunshy, Sakura. I do think you're town now that I actually know it's you.

That being said, I was literally out of my house from 8 AM to 9 PM yesterday, only on my phone. I mean, blah blah excuses blah. But activity isn'tas huge of an alignment tell for me. Look at my activity in the mini game or corpse party, it dwindles after a while.

Mara's tunnelling and in all honesty, I skimmed the last 40 pages because I don't have time to parse them. My only concern is getting a good lynch through and worrying about it later.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Yeah I was looking back at your ISO to see your trajectory about me and and I saw the thing about who notsci is and was like

GOD DAMNIT SAKURA

But yeah I did see that exact comment and was like "this looks like she is metareading me"

I didn't expect to be questioned by activity in this playerlist so much though. Mara might have called me out on it but it wouldn't be something I would expect. FRankly, until you got here there is noone here I would have anticipated asking me about it.

I'm pretty town though!

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Hi guys

We're lynching wisdom today!

VOTE: Wisdom

[Benjamin Applebaum]

"But NS, why are we lynching wisdom today?"

Well, valued reader, I'll tell you why!

Look at his interaction with the wagon yesterday- He was constantly trying to stop the wagon, but at the same time expressing approval /while/ discrediting it and trying to take control of it. Look at his appeals especially in regards to me and sakura- he lashed out at me (I am known to clam up when lashed out) and when Sakura replaced in he immediately started buddying her, (and sakura I love you but you need to see this) he immediately just goes like "I value and respect your opinion" in the most sketch way possible to try and appease you and it bugs the everliving fuck out of me.

Lynch this please.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Cabd, here is your chance to purge lufan-slot with holy fire.

pedit-
If you had the same thoguhts too you should have no issue voting him.

He doesn't look "really town" when he's doing things to try and appease people to look town

>_>

pedit-
DO NOT LET MS ASSERt THAT

Especially given his defense of wisdom, this is really fucking sketchy.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Yes congrats he is

And you aren't confirmed by anything he did, so no.

pedit-

Singer how many pretty's do I have to give you to get you to join my righteous pursuit

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Marquis barely even fucking talked to you

Stop asserting that.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Sonic- Yeah, his vote was really bad. Even worse is how he came into today acting like marquis snowed him and blahblahblah. Marquis hardly interacted with him.

ZZZX- idk, I tihnk maybe town.

Cabd- Cabd is town.

Elbirn- Eh.

Marastin- Yes town.

Sakura- Town.

Voided- Sheeping bulge and singer.

Wisdom- My biggest issue is him coming in, trying to seize control of the game and steer it away from that wagon, whilst being okay and discrediting it constantly.

Nacho- Could be scum. Bigger fish to fry.

chandra- I think town.

Pidgey- Eh.

Varsoon- Town.

Singer- Town.

Ipie- Town.

Jazzmyn- idk.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Wtf? He did not snow me. He was buddying us

He wasn't fucking doing this

Sakura do me a favor, go in MArquis's iso and find every post he talks about MS.

Does that look like buddying?

I'll go find the specific posts that bug me

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Only thing that's worrying me - shouldn't you be doubting the Nacho scumread some more given our failure at reading him in corpse party?

Fair. Who are you scumreading besides Nacho?

I know these look harmless but for some reason my gut is just like "Nope nope nope nope"

[Benjamin Applebaum]

What are your thoughts on Bins, Bitmap, and xtoxm?

Regards,
Jazz

I think bins is scummy as fuck and should have died night 0.

If you read the game, you'd know what I think of her.

Bitmap is eh. Maybe town but not town I want in lylo.

Xtom is eh.

Not really. It may look that way because I was third on there, but I wasn't sheeping them.

I am sheeping their read on you

@Sakura- So you would definitely say that MS saying marquis buddied him and it makes him town is bullshit, correct?

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Because he wasn't discrediting it while saying h would want to join

He wasnt degrading it as a pl

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Varsoon didn't wave on his opposition to the wagon whilst wisdom left the opportunity open to jump on.

pedit-

No, it wasn't lol.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Singer what do you think of MS trying to assert that Marquis was buddying him and "oh drat I got snowed" and all of that?

[Benjamin Applebaum]

What about wisdom?

[Benjamin Applebaum]

I suppose I could be persuaded to join the nacho wagon.

But I think Sonic needs to go soon too.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Mara, thoughts on Wisdom?

Idk why I just

Im not feeling this nacho lynch and I can't really understand why

Like I see how his reaction to the wagon looks and all that but Im just like

"eh"

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Singer how do you feel about Wisdom in light of your new townread on Nacho?

[Benjamin Applebaum]

I know why this is happening!

[Benjamin Applebaum]

hi sakura

how are you



Also I still maintain this is scumdom.

I think Mara is town.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Hey Elbirn

Want to call people scum for pushing a counterwagon to scum?

I KNOW SOMEONE WHO FITS THE BILL

(besides the point, most of hte fucking playerlist pushed a counterwagon to scum day 1, so...)

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Sakura in all honesty I really don't see myself voting Nacho.

Maybe I will vote sonic its just

When the gut screams

the gut screams

me saying hi was poking at the scumreading people for not being able to read you thing

[Benjamin Applebaum]

No.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Mara what is your read on wisdom

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Sakura tell me who to vote

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Mara I am townreading Singer ipie and cabd

But I really don't like that stance

:/

Mind getting mastin's thoughts for me?

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Wisdom's snowing you all and I havent caught up.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

But how would I be that confident in a day one read if it wasnt on my scumbuddy?

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Xtom's scumread on me is for that explicit reason.

pedit-

That'd be because you're scum and know you have 0 chance of convincing me otherwise

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Hey Bins, you remember what you said the last day of PvZ about me?

That feel is so real.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Do not lynch ever-
Mara
Cabd
Singer
Sakura


Don't lynch any time soon-
bins
ipie
voided
Sonic
Elbirn
Bitmap
xtom
chandra

pedit-
That'd be because wisdom is scum

lol.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

She was there but I have this little paranoia voice in the back of my head re her

[Benjamin Applebaum]

hahahaha

[Benjamin Applebaum]

It was some buddying from her early and her taking a bit longer to get started after I defended her early sat wrong with me

But meh

[Benjamin Applebaum]

That'd be because you have been asskissing since yesterday to try and make her, wisdom

[Benjamin Applebaum]

@singer- Idk if your vote is just pressure or something but

Bitmap- meh could go either way, atm I would rather not lynch
xtom- I find it hard to believe scum come into today and go "you pushed a lynch on my buddy, lets scumread you"
bins- Probably town but niggles

[Benjamin Applebaum]

VOTE: Wisdom

Now, let's lynch actual scum today.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

That's generally how it happens.

Cabd, I know you wanted that slot dead day 1. I didn't see any indication of you finding what Wisdom has done to be town. So, if that hasn't changed, please help me lynch him. If it has, why?

Singer if you are scumreading me I'd love to know why.

Mara, iirc you aren't townreading wis. Vote him.

pedit-

Hey there xtom!

Want more fuel to your "how is anyone that confident in correct reads" case?

Vote wisdom!

I mean hell, you think I bussed hard once, why not bus hard again?

pedit-

Sakura shh

That being said there's a part of me pinging hard about this because iirc in the team maf mini normal sthar was getting all pissy at pie after pie strongarmed the lynches on both buddies so maybe its similar here? Not sure but worth noting

[Benjamin Applebaum]

I'm not quite sure I believe scum got caught by a track tbqh.

pedit-

Except neither of them are scum?

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Don't end today before Cabd can talk.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Uh huh.

Sakura was I scumreading you guys in Corpse party, or did I target you night 1 with my neighborize?

Also, I was townreading Mara before you were even a factor in teh game, and I've already shared why MS isn't scum, which is again, totally unrelated to you and was a thing beofre you were even in teh game.

So no.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

There's also the whole "Scum get a 1-shot strongman to deal with a BP and a Rolestopper" not making any sense whatsoever.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

I was.

I'm making a point that he's going all "woe is me ns always scumreads me" and it's bullshit.

pedit-

Hello pot this is kettle I'm black!

[Benjamin Applebaum]

You mean like in Mod Error where you were stubbornly sticking to your greyice townread and I wasn't having any of it?



But anyways.

Wis is still scum, and I'm not honestly sure I believe the track.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

VOTE: Wisdom

[Benjamin Applebaum]

I don't understand why you guys needed to cop sakura, but okay

[Benjamin Applebaum]

He isn't confirmed.

Extremely likely, yes.

Confirmed, no.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Bitmap, it's pretty obvious he tracked someone else.

So.

Sonic was a good vig shot.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Sakura

what are you doing to me

Don't break up the band

[Benjamin Applebaum]

I don't understand why you are voting jazz over wisdom tbqh

[Benjamin Applebaum]

I don't understand why you are voting jazz over wisdom tbqh

Why should i not be voting jazz?

Because you should be voting wis?

I can't even tell you why most of the people voting jazz are voting jazz and that doesn't make me comfortable with the wagon at all.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Varsoon could be scum

If the last scum wasn't wisdom

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Am I the only one who thinks that town seems way too strong for the scum power we've seen?

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Also, 2 things.

1- I agree pie hates godfathers, but that being said I'm really starting to question how this game is set up. Scum have a strongman to counter any protective/the rolestop, clearly. But they have nothing to counter the tracker? That's bugging the fuck out of me. And two mason-cops? I understand they are one-shot, but that confirms 4 players. Scum have to have SOME counterplay to this.

2- Regarding your flavorspec, sakura- You know as well as I do that pie randomizes flavor- in fact, she made particular note that me *correctly* flavorgaming the last game based on purely odd chance was annoying as hell. So I don't view it as damning as you do. I actually don't really mind varsoon's posting all that much. Whoever it was that brought up the counterpoint to Godfathers shoudl have also brought up this point. So.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Because you haven't been here, and I don't care that you have an excuse you haven't been here and guess what? That means we have nothing to read you off of.

I'm also coming around to the idea of lynching Xtox.

pedit-

Don't you tell me what to do

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Well here's a secret- People in those don't /actually/ get great reads. More often than not they are FTC- (Hint, I came from PO too. I know this better than anyone)

And boo hoo the game is fast? At least it's not dragging on for endless days and pages letting people get apathetic.

Either post more so we can read you better and see (if you are town) that you are town, or stop complaining and making excuses and shafting blame on everyone else.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

I understand, I just don't like him complaining about it.

People posted, people read their posts and townread them.

He didn't post, he becomes a PoE target.

[Benjamin Applebaum]

Just in case I die, I want this on record-

It's absurdly strange that we have a tracker in this game, and scum have no way to mitigate it. They had a way around the rolestop. We have two cops, which admittedly it's strange but what's bugging me is-

Ipie was tracked to a kill as a goon after the tracker was already outed. Wouldn't scum, knowing that a tracker was in play, opt to give their power to someone with the power to avoid the track?

So while yes, he is very likely town, the later this game goes, if he sticks around, he REALLY needs to be under suspicion if the scum don't lie elsewhere.

Tl;dr- Don't let Sabotage micro happen again