New York 185: Freshwater Frenzy!

[Cheetory6]

Right there.

So are SW, myself and someone from your hood all one scumteam?
Man.
That totally seems like a real POV for you to confidently be believing in.
This is me rolling my eyes.
People should vote for Bookitty.

[Cheetory6]

I did not say it wasn't strong.
Just because I don't have mountains of reasoning doesn't mean I don't feel strongly about you being scum right now. Especially since you're being quiet and subdued with most of your reads right now. You've made it hard to get any kind of read on you and I get the impression that this was intentional on your part.
And if anything seems faked, it's this doubleOMGUSsandwichwithasideofSOMEONEINMYNEIGHBORHOODISLEAKINGINFORMATIONOMG-bullshit.

P-Edit: I don't really particularly feel like going into details here about how I feel our conversation has been shifty.
I've already clarified that I think you're more likely to be town than not, so I don't get the outrage at me being paranoid here?

[Cheetory6]

I probably overreacted to that string of posts. I read them all in a close time proximity and I already have tried to bury the hatchet a couple times. I think it only flared up again because House thought I made the joke and then tried to profit from the resulting drama. He, essentially, was angrily scumreading me for precisely the same reason I was scum reading him. That actually makes me feel way better about him as far as being town goes.

Why are you still voting House?

P-Edit: FA, and her latest posts?

[Cheetory6]

FA.
If I flip town and if you're town.
Will you acknowledge that 90% of the shit that people call scumslips are garbage?
Titus scumslip == legit.
Ozgin scumslip == bullshit.
My scumslip == bullshit.
Kitz scumslip == probably bullshit.
I bet there will be another 6 bullshit scumslips people call out this game to balance out Titus's legit one.
If you want to come at me with a case. Do it.
I will fucking scream and shout before I get lynched for something as fucking dumb as word choice.

[Cheetory6]

Wow I can't imagine why I would be overreacting after any of the shit that happened on the last few pages FA.
Learn to context.
Seriously.
I'm angry and riled up because of dumb shit that's happening this game. Prod me for dumb reasons and you'll get my ire.
-.-

[Cheetory6]

Can we get some wagons going?
Please?
Lala and Bookitty 1v1.
People pick a side.
If we do a Boo lynch and she flips town then come and get me D4.
How's that for a fucking deal, scum?

[Cheetory6]

And no, FA, I'm not addressing you specifically here.

[Cheetory6]

Do you think RC is making an argument for anen being scum?

[Cheetory6]

[here I'll just tell you, anen is dead, rc is messing around]

[Cheetory6]

I probably overreacted to that string of posts. I read them all in a close time proximity and I already have tried to bury the hatchet a couple times. I think it only flared up again because House thought I made the joke and then tried to profit from the resulting drama. He, essentially, was angrily scumreading me for precisely the same reason I was scum reading him. That actually makes me feel way better about him as far as being town goes.

Asked you this before.
If you were starting to townread him, why were you
i) still voting him and
ii) why did you change your mind?

Meh, I've been avoiding this game because I kind of lost my temper at Silverwolf and Cheetory.

Have you ever lost your temper at people pushing you before as town?
Links please.
If you have them.

[Cheetory6]

Kitz.
Why are you overdefensive this game, where last game you were literally willing to selfvote yourself because you figured you would be a distraction?

[Cheetory6]

What logic do you perceive as being bad from this game?
Do you have any more links?
I'd like 2-3 more if you wouldn't mind and it isn't too much trouble.

[Cheetory6]

Also, have you ever faked being angry as scum to try and disarm momentum on a wagon on you?

[Cheetory6]

I'm actually arguing, and responding.
Beside, if I didn't respond, what then?

As for distraction, well, it's based on how that game went.

I'm just saying that the tone and manner in which you're responding to things feels different than it does here, would you agree? What about this game is different specifically that's warranting the difference?

While you're here Cheetory, what's your thought about my argument of Trolling VS Anti-Game?

Can you link a specific quote/post? I don't have much time right now. On my way out the door in a second.

My interactions with Titus were weird -- so... what's the point? She didn't flip as groupscum, so what does my believing in her as town at first have to do with the price of tea in China?

I think the point is more that the way your read developed on her is weird in a way that doesn't necessarily make as much sense to me as coming from town.
I know I was scum in NY180, but I legitimately thought that TSO was 100% a traitor on our scumteam because the way his read on claimed tracker ABR developed came across as being much more likely to be coming from a place of scum than town. And it turned out that he wasn't a traitor, but SK, so, still pretty much applies.
In my head you were either buddying Titus and then realized she was scum or you legitimately thought Titus was town the entire time and were just really okay with the outcome no matter how she flipped. I really fail to see how that's bad logic, Boo.

Varsoon tried to buddy me, so clearly he is my buddy -- um, what? How does THAT work, again?

Is this the point that I admitted I was wrong about? Or is it something that Silver has been saying?

[Cheetory6]

Odd considering you think I'm scum.
And I'm not scum.
c;

[Cheetory6]

I'm tipsy.
Nothing is being kept in my mind tonight.

[Cheetory6]

Where's the fun in that dragon?
Aren't you enjoying this constant guessing game of whether I'm 180ing it or turning over a new leaf?

[Cheetory6]

Have caught up with everything.

Oh neat, then you should have a bunch of thoughts on a bunch of playe-

I think Bookitty is town now.

Oh. One thought. Well.
Are all of the rest of your reads still the same, or hwhat?

In particular, I see this post coming from town as more likely than from scum

Why?

[Cheetory6]

Boonskiies' push to get rid of me is also awful and he's coasting on being dragon's biffle.

This doesn't surprise me.
Being conftown saps the energy from most people.
[which is why it was bad that they claimed immediately ayooo]

[Cheetory6]

Why is scumBookitty also not frustrated in that situation?

[Cheetory6]

Boo.
Do you really think that I don't play based on feeling and that I don't make mistakes often as town?

I don't know why you would imply I would be less careful as scum.
Why is me having read closely or not indicative of my alignment?
That's total horseshit.

This is a serious warning.
If you don't obvtown in by D4.
You're dead.
Or if I die N3.
But I mean.

[Cheetory6]

And yes.
This is me softclaiming.

[Cheetory6]

That you can't nuance contextual reasons why I would do any of those things as town makes me think you're full of shit which makes me more willing to drop this now.

[Cheetory6]

Cheetory is paying just about enough attention to justify his supposed scumread and even counterevidence (as presented above) only serves to increase his scumread.

When in the fuck did I say my scumread got strongest based on that?
That's just a hard misrep and a half.
I would seriously drop what I have right now if I didn't feel like waiting one more day would be better.

[Cheetory6]

You're right on this point though. >.<
I get what you were saying here now.

In any case, Boo I'm actually pretty sure you're scum this game.
I just may have to be patient with proving it. That's all.

How is this me voting you right after and how is this me saying I got more confident based on that aspect to my case not making sense?
Like jesus Boo who the fuck isn't reading here again?

[Cheetory6]

I voted you like ages before that?
Are you scum by your own logic of me being scum for not reading things carefully?

[Cheetory6]

Are you just pretending I didn't softclaim?
Or are we going to keep playing this song and dance of you pretending like I don't have some kind of other reason for voting you in the first place?

[Cheetory6]

Take a look at whatever rolePM you have again.
Think real hard.
If you're town you'll probably figure it out.
I don't think you are though.

[Cheetory6]

Well that reaction is just a load.

[Cheetory6]

I believe you may not have killed Anen.
The real question is whether Wake put in a mafia vanilla cop.

[Cheetory6]

And ftr my scumread on you wasn't faked.
I wouldn't have targeted you in the first place if I thought you weren't suspicious this game.

[Cheetory6]

zzzzzzz.
Okay.
UNVOTE:
Reminder that I will have to explain things eventually***
zzzz.
I need to recenter.

[Cheetory6]

VOTE: Bookitty
I've thought about it a bit and I've decided that I still don't believe Boo's OMGUS.
I think she might be telling the truth about being a Vanilla Cop.
I could really easily see that being a scum role though, so, either way, doesn't help me feel better about her atm.

lalala as an alternative isn't the end of the world.
My read on Drixx is slipping hard the more he does nothing resembling scumhunting.

House, Sky, Dragon, Boon, hopefully Silver, maybeprobablyRC and maybestill Egg are an okay block of do not lynch today or tomorrow.
I think I kind of feel okay about Prolapsed too? Maybe? That's a huge maybe and it's mostly relative to the mess of lurkage in this game.

Kitz, FA, Taly and Delta all need to start making it really clear that they're town because they're not being vocal/loud/interesting enough for me to have a read on them.

[Cheetory6]

You said you commuted N1?
What?

[Cheetory6]

What I do find interesting though is that after you call a nuetral tone a scum tell for him, he appears to go out of his way to not come off that way.

So you think it's likely that I forced myself to get annoyed out of some abstract counter-metatell strategy even though I knew his point on me was provably wrong?

[Cheetory6]

Also, I'm pretty House literally called SW dense.
Like that's the actual quote. Lol.

[Cheetory6]

The last game I played with RC was the Burning, a game in which I was so mad after it was over I spent like 4-5 pages postgame just being mad at people.
Like, it's something I'm not too proud of and I'm trying to make an active effort to not be a dickbag in games and focus more on trying to win rather than wanting to win arguments and getting pissed at people.
I felt like I was letting some of my residual anger from that game come out and felt bad because RC doesn't deserve for me to bring up that shit when it's not relevant just because I'm frustrated.

[Cheetory6]

I could maybe see Drixx as scum.
He's certainly been coasting behind this House read.

[Cheetory6]

What do you make of Boo thus far?
Or are you still catching up?

[Cheetory6]

So I'm supposed to take your word that you're doing all of this extra work right now and aren't just coasting behind your scumread on House, constantly calling for him being lynched?
You had enough time to write out all of this response to Egg and I. Why aren't you putting this kind of analysis into the game yet in other more important areas?

[Cheetory6]

Do you have reads?
Thoughts on the general gamestate?
Role spec?
There's been upwards of four hard/softclaims on the last few pages. You have no thoughts on any of those?
How has your stance of House changed? You could be trying to push him more on specific points rather than just generally shouting that he's scum.
There are cases on other people other than House. Why aren't you commenting on any of those? If you're actually interested in getting House lynched you should try and dismantle other wagons and try to add their momentum to your own?

Wanna know why I think you're doing none of these things while spending most of your time idling about in the thread defending yourself from weakpushes?

[Cheetory6]

Why do you feel o.k. about him?

He feels better than he did in my game tonewise, which I know is flawed because
A) he's not going to play the same way twice in a game with you, me and Titus in it.
B) I wasn't directly in that game so I didn't directly interact/engage with his play such that I can feel super confident that I actually understand his play well from within this context.
However, I just don't feel like he's scum/scummy atm.
Which is more than I can say about most of the other lurkers in this game atm. It's more of a relative read than an absolute read if that makes sense?

[Cheetory6]

Cheet, why do you think Boon and Dragonspawn are confirmed town?

Is there any reason not to for now?

[Cheetory6]

lala needs to be lynched today, otherwise she'll just sit here the rest of the game and jerk our chains.

Hi.
This sounds like the kind of bullshit you said in my game.

[Cheetory6]

under the radar.
yoh.

Cheet, I believe them but they aren't confirmed. It's entirely possible they are scum together.

[Is there any reason to not call them confirmed town right now?]
Could I possibly be any less subtle without giving away my thought process here?

Hi.

So?

Iuno. Start being useful like it seemed like you were going to be at the start of this game?
If you start just emptily posturing about people being scum with nothing for reasoning other than "kill 'em", I won't stand in between people and you getting policy lynched because I won't have a damn useful read on you. -.-

[Cheetory6]

I don't really know what to say other than that the lurking in this game sucks.
The lack of wagons in this game sucks.
And the lack of wagon on Boo sucks the worst of all.


Three days left.
Is this the part where I'm forced to compromise off of a scumlynch because nobody can be assed to actually read Boo?
Like.
I don't think I've heard anyone try to defend Boo. Where is WKing scum?
I'll tell you where they are. Defending actual town.
Brb. Feeling self-righteous while doing programming.

[Cheetory6]

Before I BRB.
Let me just add on two lovely little points:
Boo is voting no one right now from what I can tell.
Her last post is essentially:
"I like the Prolapsed wagon, but here are a bunch of points unrelated to that."
The reason she isn't voting or giving concrete reads right now is super super likely to be because she doesn't want to give any kind of associating tells or disassociating tells.
If anyone.
ANYONE. Has any reason to actually be townreading Boo, they should actually TALK ABOUT IT. Instead of just passively joining other wagons and ignoring this entire situation.

[Cheetory6]

I don't know Boo.
Why aren't you voting for them if you have one?

[Cheetory6]

If you want to be lynched then what do you care if I'm being ridiculous or nonsensical?

[Cheetory6]

Like, your offending post in question, was easily saying "oh man Prolapsed wagon is pretty good, but at the same time.. maybe you should lynch me, but like do whatever you guys wanna do".
You're now trying to kick up a fuss over me trying to get you lynched.
Which is it Boo?
Because it really doesn't seem like you actually want to not be a distraction here.

[Cheetory6]

Like what even is your point here?
You're saying I'm not reading because I didn't acknowledge that you want to get yourself lynch when you yourself admitted in that post that you would be down with other options.
You're not explicitly saying in that post "guys lynch me". You're just waffling on the point so you can wave it in the air to look good.
If you'd said "I WANT TO BE LYNCHED" clearly and decisively then I could understand what you're saying here.
You're not saying that though. And you know it.
You're not being explicit with your reads.
You're not trying to progress the gamestate. You would certainly be trying to get someone lynched if you were town. I could see you being flabbergasted and saying "lynch me whatever and then lynch this person tomorrow" but you're not doing that. You're not scumhunting. You're damage controlling.
You're scum.
End of story.
Your OMGUS on Silver and I was bullshit.
This whole "I want to be lynched stuff" is bullshit.
I'm not changing votes.

[Cheetory6]

Why do I even bother?
Please.
Lynch me.
If you're town I reserve the right to fucking laugh in your face for ignoring scumBoo sitting right in front of your fucking eyes and you doing nothing about it.

[Cheetory6]

VOTE: Cheetory6
Please.
Fucking do it.
Unlike Boo I will actually fucking put my money where my mouth is.
I'm an irritable prick this round.
I have no patience for anything right now.
Lynch me so I can stop wanting to rage every other post that I make.

[Cheetory6]

Vote for me.
Do it.
I fucking dare you House.
Boo will.
RC will.
I'm sure like five-six other people will probably be down because I'm being an asshole.
Get off your ass and do literally anything this game. Or is that too hard?

I would kill to not be playing in a mafia game right now.
LOOK I JUST SAID THE WORD KILL. ONLY MAFIA KILL PEOPLE.
FA WILL PROBABLY VOTE ME NOW TOO.

JESUS HOUSE IM MAKING IT SO EASY FOR YOU.

[Cheetory6]

LOOK IM USING CAPS I MUST BE FLAILING SCUM.
GOGOGO.

[Cheetory6]

I'm seriously never playing with you again if you're town.
Like.
I'm excited just at the prospect.
I hope you're not scum and it's not because I'll be upset that I lost to someone who's playing like a joke, it's because I want an excuse to never have to deal with you coming in with your overconfident one liner bullshit ever again.

[Cheetory6]

God I don't know how people dealt with shit like this in 180 as town.
I can barely fucking stand it.

[Cheetory6]

Because potato.

Because potato.

Because potato.

Because potato.

Because potato.

Because potato.

Because potato.

Because potato.

[Cheetory6]

No please lynch me.
I swear to god if you switch votes now.
I'll be so fucking mad at you.

[Cheetory6]

I fucking hate that I'm playing like shit because you get a rise out of me so easily.

I'm going to try to walk away the next time you make me feel like raging.
I'm really going to try.

And if I can't, I'm just going to replace. Because I really hate that I'm struggling so hard with dealing with you coming in here, not engaging literally anything and then making overconfident and sweeping statements like you just did. Your play is frustratingly to deal with to the nth degree, but that's a shit excuse for me losing my temper like this.

If I can't be mature about this, I'd rather just not be playing mafia right now.
Whether that means we lynch me or not, I really don't care at this point.

[Cheetory6]

VOTE: Bookitty
The rules probably also say something about having fun too.

[Cheetory6]

If Boo's town I'll take the blame and I'll also accept that my ability to read her is ham.
I'm pretty damn sure she's scum though.
That's L-3.

[Cheetory6]

Why do you think I would vote you, Cheeto?

I thought you were scumreading me.
I don't even know.

So I don't get the point of that, honestly. If being suspected makes the game not fun for you, then the game isn't going to be fun for you most of the time, I fear, because everybody suspects everybody eventually.

Honestly, I can deal with being suspected. It is annoying as town, but like, I understand that's the nature of the game.
It's mostly just the manner in which House has been playing the game is really annoying and frustrating.
I don't like people who ignore shit in the game that's addressed at them.
And I hate it when those people act like they know better than people when they can't even be assed to take the game seriously.
And I hate it even more when I think they're probably town.
I'm especially pissy this game because I'm burnt out, getting tired of abrasive bullshit in mafia and I'm dealing with shit IRL.
I know that doesn't really excuse it but like, at least it gives a frame of reference for me being a shitter atm.

For what it's worth, there is literally nothing about the way you've been playing that I'm finding frustrating, besides the fact that it's been hard to lynch you when I think you're scum and that's hardly something that I would ever get upset at you for.

[Cheetory6]

the only way to have fun in Mafia is to try to take it less seriously

Something I'm trying to work on. >.>
I think it'll help if I start going down to only a single game at a time or at the very most two.

In news unrelated to me being an emotional rollercoaster of a human being..
I'm starting to get worried that I'm wrong about Boo and I can't tell if it's because I'm appreciating her as a person right now or not. q.q

Boo.
Can you give a readslist?

[Cheetory6]

What do they think work just grows on trees or something?

[Cheetory6]

Cheetory6 and a half. I believe the claim and I am sure he tracked me to Anen.

Why couldn't I be a scum tracker?

[Cheetory6]

Also, I accept being the Red Baron.
I demand a more epic title if you end up flipping scum though.
c:

[Cheetory6]

Blehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
I hate that I kind of like that reasoning.
We have two days left.
I'm gonna try my best to ISOdive two people tonight.
Has Taly been replaced yet?

[Cheetory6]

ooh do me cheeto

I failed.
q.q

[Cheetory6]

Can someone who's played with lalala link me a game where she's like super duper town?

@lala

, how often do you get mislynched as town?

[Cheetory6]

Ugh, bleh

Ugh bleh indeed.
Hope you feel better soon.

[Cheetory6]

Do you think Boo is town then?

[Cheetory6]

Also, I will ISO Kitz as a return favour after I finish this lalalaISO because woo teamwork!

[Cheetory6]

Two more things lalala:
i) Can you give some kind of a readslist? If it the reasoning for each read is like "iuno whatever" that's fine just like still give the reasoning/rationale behind each read you have.
If you have time, I'd really appreciate that.
ii) Talk at me about your Prolapsed read. Your reads on D1 were a lot more comprehensive. Why are they dithering now? Just like be honest at me and stuff. I want to hear your general frame of mind atm.

[Cheetory6]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=59502
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=59914
Sure.
VOTE: Kitz
People need to read Kitz's ISO in those links and skim Kitz's ISO in this game.
Tell me which game it seems closer to.

[Cheetory6]

I'm willing to give Boo one more day.
And that's only if this Kitz wagon hits six votes in the next 15 hours.

[Cheetory6]

She could be scum vanillacop.
But she'll be figured out automatically later.
How exactly does that work?

[Cheetory6]

Except Wake is known to do weird shit with neighborhoods so I don't get your point at all.
I don't understand if you think that why you want to lynch lalala moreso than Kitz.

[Cheetory6]

Did you look at her games that I linked?
Or are you just throwing reads at me?

[Cheetory6]

Well, I was trying to play it close to my chest, but I think lalala is town.
Since you're not going to play ball with engaging either Kitz or Boo I'm just going to lamely say "oh man lala is like the towniest town ever you guys are dum".
And fold my arms.
And make raspberries at you.

[Cheetory6]

Lol.
I don't know whether it'll be funnier if she's vengeful or if she's scum.
Leaning that she's scum though.
$$$$$.

[Cheetory6]

I can see her messing around post-hammer. I think her original claim was a mistake so she might have just gone "lol wehps".
If she's scum I get a gold star for not buying into despair.
If she's town then I lose more faith in meta-diving.
Either way, scum should shoot me.

[Cheetory6]

wake up wake.

[Cheetory6]

Lol Kitz are you actually vengeful?
Why would you fakeclaim that randomizer role?

[Cheetory6]

What's the worst thing about the casino that was opened on a farm that legally allows drug-usage?
High steaks.
I win the worst joke award.

[Cheetory6]

What's the hardest thing for a lions who want to become cannibals?
They have to swallow their pride.

[Cheetory6]

I wish this was true. I've hit a bad stretch for all of 2015 so far. That's part of why it's break time.

Getting caught via night actions doesn't mean you played badly.

Also, I don't think anyone's saying it's your fault that your team lost Silver, just that there's always still a chance and you never know how VI people are going to go as town. Never give up. Never surrender. yadda yadda.

[Cheetory6]

But yeah.
Setup was inherently swingy.
One town got a lead, it swung hard.
Lynches being on citizens/scum and so many nightkills not going through was a heavy detriment for scum.

[Cheetory6]

None taken.

[Cheetory6]

:/ I think you're neat Silver.

[Cheetory6]

I will also be a reference for you and your character.