Mini 1687: Refraction Mafia (WINNER!)

[RadiantCowbells]

Showtime.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Shinobi

This is scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

btw, Thor is far less directed than I remember him being as town.

He's also talking more about wagons that he's not pushing than the ones he is.

That's suspicious.

[RadiantCowbells]

Anyhoezels, Tere's push was objectively weak.

According to who, you?

She was pushing ideas that were adequately explained (IE my V/LA)

According to who, you?

and didn't care about any of the responses she received.

The ones you gave her?

The only thing she did after tex claimed mason was complain about everyone being bad (for some reason) even though she wasn't trying to work with anyone or explain anything.

Yeah, that's a scumtell.

The replacement itself reads like scum being asked a hard question and not being able to give an answer.

lol

no.

[RadiantCowbells]

Notice that Shinobi's never really calling me scum, he's just saying that I should be voted.

Subtle but important difference.

The closest he comes is "reads like scum" and is followed by complete nonsense.

[RadiantCowbells]

Though, if I'm honest, literally every single person with a voteon them could be modkilled right now and I would consider it a win for the game - so I probably am being lackadaisical right now.
So, if that makes me scum, I admit it's true.

If you're happy voting Shinobi then lynch Shinobi with me.

RC - Do me a favor, and read the Cthulu Dreaming / Bella slot's iso.

I will, but I doubt there's anything that could cause me to jump ship from Shinobi at this point.

@Radiant: Texcat's #1857 is a pretty good post to let you know where things stand right now, at least claims-wise.

Though apparently you don't believe her mason claim, which...I mean...why...

Before I saw the claim I was dead convinced Fro99er was scum.

Now I'm wondering.

So now I just kind of want to go through some possible scenarios to answer questions as to whether we should lynch within the Thor/Pers pool today or not.

Let's not.

[RadiantCowbells]

Because Shinobi is alive.

[RadiantCowbells]

I was answering your question.

You can talk about it, but my vote is not changing, even after reading Bella's ISO and finding more waffles than my favourite Denny's.

I'll wait till one gets bigger or support for wagons notices that we have two confirmed town sitting on Zoronos and puzzles out what that means.

Have two semi-confirmed town sitting on me but that doesn't make me scum, does it?

By the selfsame logic I should vote Tere - and I actually probably agree with the case on him more than Shinobi.

I'm sorry to hear that.

[RadiantCowbells]

It makes you more likely scum, in my opinion.
I understand that you do not wish to agree with that logic though.

Wish to implies that it's a decision and not a fact.

[RadiantCowbells]

The argument was clearly implied when I corrected confirmed to semi-confirmed when I addressed the masons.

Supposedly I should be scumreading you now because you should be way better than this.

[RadiantCowbells]

What exactly do you propose that me agreeing that you are confirmed town means in a multiball game?

[RadiantCowbells]

Riddle me this, Batman.

[RadiantCowbells]

I will agree that you noted thoughts about the mason's confirmability without correcting me while also seeking to correct me on something I didn't state.
I don't think it scores you points.

So you think it's not completely clear that my using "semi-confirmed" in the same context of your "confirmed" was not a knock against both your confirmedness and the accuracy of the tell?

I hear that a lot.

You're definitely going to be hearing it a lot in this game from me.

Do you think it's confirmed multiball? And if so, what do you think that means.
If by two scum teams - I do not find that particularly to be taken for granted, myself.
Do you know something I don't?

Yes.

The normal review would never let a scumteam go through with the name "Infrared Mafia" if it wasn't multiball.

Any further questions?

[RadiantCowbells]

Also, what the hell Thor?

I'm definitely not the first person to assume multiball based on that flip.

Guess who is scum this game?

VOTE: Thor665

[RadiantCowbells]

Whatevz not worth it.

Let's just leave Thor to scum up the thread.

VOTE: Shinobi

[RadiantCowbells]

Thor is referring to no tell.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

Now you can't talk anymore.

Instalynch Thor tomorrow, I've played with him a few times.

HE IS NOT THIS BAD.

HE WOULD KNOW THAT MY SLOT IS TOWN.

THERE IS A 0% CHANCE THAT THOR IS TOWN THIS GAME.

Thanks for the game.

[RadiantCowbells]

Don't even talk tomorrow.

Just speedlynch Thor.

[RadiantCowbells]

All I can give the town since I got wagoned instantly.

I'd seriously look into Bellaphant and Shinobi after Thor.

THOR IS NOT TOWN.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like, my slot is obvtown and every single town player on it should be ashamed.

Like, ashamed. Both the people before me have been obvtown and I can say that without any self serving bias.

Whether or not I myself am is up in the air but I find it sincerely laughable that people are/were voting me today.

Thor I know for a fact is not sufficiently bad to have been on this wagon.

Thor would not be going "oh sure any of these wagons is fine."

The rest of you, not much I can say besides you were wrong and now that you've seen you're wrong go do what I told you.

[RadiantCowbells]

Great job town!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RadiantCowbells]

You self-hammered.

I self hammered to make a point about how much Thor needed to be lynched.

You didn't lynch Thor.

Try again?

[RadiantCowbells]

self hammering pisses people off and makes them not want to listen to you after you die.

We didn't lose because of me.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like, you can blame me for you not listening to me if you can pull off the mental gymnastics necessary.

Aside from that, I don't really have anything more to say here. later.

all of us

read my ISO.

[RadiantCowbells]

So basically you're blaming me because you didn't either listen to me or independently find scum.

That's totally rational.

And what might have happened had town lynched correctly instead of lynching you?

There were two masons tunneling me. A bunch of people (read: scumbums Bella and Shin) had expressed interest in my lynch.

I was getting hammered anyway, and I might as well do it with a bang.

[RadiantCowbells]

Theoretically this actually just shows you that the concept of self-hammering to get people to listen to you doesn't work.
I'd keep that in mind in the future.

First time it's failed actually.

[RadiantCowbells]

See, the easy response for you is to get mad at me.

The harder response is for you to look into the game and wonder why I'd be upset at you, specifically, about it.

Because you're the only town player I actually legitimately had a problem with, and I have no desire to play with you again, with the caveat that the Mason/IC/FN mod confirmed town roles are frequently the MVPs for scum teams in their games.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't care about the fact that you sucked.

Lots of people were wrong about reads this game.

I care about the fact that you systematically lynched everyone who questioned your status as the god king and then got tired of the game because of how shitty you monopolized it around your terrible reads.

And I'm guilty as charged of doing the same thing as IC. I think it's some psychology related to the role and following this I will most likely never implement another one of those roles in a setup I design.

But the fact is that you don't even have the introspection to look back and wonder why so many people (tere, myself, and Zoronos, who by the way was literally the most obvious town of all time, even over Tere) just completely gave up on this game because of you.

You, not your reads, not the town's reads, ruined this game for me and others.

[RadiantCowbells]

Well it's mostly more of a real life thing where people are used to seeing it from me.

Here's the one where it worked on site though.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=28580

[RadiantCowbells]

seemed like only scum was trying to convince me

because your partner was ruining the game so town was tired of you and just gave up.

besides, zoroonos was pushing Bella for days. nothing.

[RadiantCowbells]

He didn't ruin it for me. You were only in the game for a nano-second?

Says his partner.