Scummer D&D

[T-Bone]

I will be late...if at all. Hard to game during dinner time (but since I'm cooking I'm gonna have it done early hehehehe)

[Varsoon]

Yeah, I thought it was happening right now for some reason.
I don't think I can make it two hours from now--I've got a birthday party to attend.

[T-Bone]

LOOT

11500 gold (ALRADY SPLIT)
4 CLW (Bone, Hana, Pot, Pot)
1 Magic Weapon Oil (Party Pot)
1 Jump Oil (Quadz)
4 Shield of Faith +2 potions - (Bone, Varsoon, Quadz, Pot)
2 scrolls of Sanctuary - Bone and Varsoon (no one else can use)
2 scrolls of flame blade - Bone and Varsoon (no one else can use)
+1 Longsword - (Varsoon)
Sliversheen (Varsoon)

Bag of Holding Type 1 (Who bids, Hana bids)
Gloves of Dex +2 (Quadz)

This is where we're at right now.

Since Varsoon and I are getting so much, I'll defer the Gloves to Quadz. Everything else has been split up. We can roll for the Bag of Holding since both Who and Hana want it.

[T-Bone]

I figure we need to finish before the game.

[FakeGod]

Imma grab pizza, and then log on.

https://app.roll20.net/join/916696/XXT9rQ

Game link.

[SXTLHGaiden]

I made a character. it becomes a drunken master.
http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=287574

[Who]

My apologies, I will not be there.

[T-Bone]

Uhhh are we playing?

[FakeGod]

Recap - Miniri, BpC, Who, Gaiden, and Lorick venture into the undead infested part of the dungeon. They battle through into a large catacombs, where undeads come in from all sides. They barely escape with their lives, except BpC who gets eaten.

Miniri and Gaiden travel to the hilltop city and accompany Dr. K to the sewers. They kill a monster and bring a sample back for examination.

[FakeGod]

Fate of parties that wonder into undead hordes without a cleric...

(Number of dead PCs rise to 4)

[quadz08]

guys STOP DYING

[FakeGod]

Breakdown of D&D skills:

Spoiler: List of All Skills

Appraise

Used mostly for figuring out how much a gem is worth. Sometimes an artwork instead. Very niche skill.

Balance

Anyone that doesn't have Balance rank 5 or higher is considered flat-footed while balancing, which means they're open to sneak attack. Other than that, very niche skill.

Bluff

Used when lying to people. Mostly gets eclipsed by Diplomacy. There is a niche use for it when you're using it to feint in combat, but feinting is pretty supar in d&d sooooo....

Climb

Used to get to high places, but

spider climb

is a 2nd level spell...

Concentration

Mostly used to maintain your spell when people try to interrupt your spellcasting. Important for casters.

Craft

Used to build things. This would be great if adventurers weren't allowed to just go slaughter/loot cash and buy whatever they wanted. A notable exception is craft(Poisonmaking), because it reduces the price by 1/6th the usual price.

Decipher Script

Used to read ancient things. If anyone on your party has Draconic, or access to

read magic

, this is kinda pointless.

Diplomacy

Arguably the best skill in the game. Useful in virtually all non-combat situations. Highly recommended skill to max.

Disable Device

Used to bypass traps, but because traps can be usually avoided just by being clever, this skill is kinda niche.

Disguise

Used to pretend to be someone else.

Hat of disguise

does this for you and it costs less than 2k. I guess it would be useful in anti-magic fields?

Escape Artist

Mainly used to escape grapples, and sometimes bindings. But it costs a standard action to escape, which means your grappler can just catch up to you again and lock you down.

Forgery

Used to pretend something is something else. Highly situation dependent.

Gather Information

Used to gather information. Usually useful at the beginning of a campaign when you're figuring out where to start out. Also could use to find the black market, etc. Fairly niche.

Handle Animal

Used to control animals. Very niche, since just killing the animals is almost certainly going to be more effective.

Heal

Mainly used to stabilize a dying person, but stuffing a potion his throat is usually much more effective. Could also be used to determine how someone has died/how long has someone been dead.

Hide

Used vs Spot to hide. Useful rogues to get ahead into position, but

invisibility

is a 2nd level spell.

Intimidate

Used to scare people. Usually just a show of force is much easier to do.

Jump

Used to jump. Needs ranks in this for Leap Attack feat. Otherwise,

fly

is a 3rd level spell.

Knowledge

Main use is to figure out what a monster does.

Arcana is fairly useful at all stages of the game.
Architecture and engineering is mostly garbage. Go use Diplomacy on an NPC architect instead.
Dungeoneering is very useful starting around lv 5 or earlier.
Geography is mostly garbage. Go use Diplomacy on an NPC professor instead.
History is mostly garbage. Go use Diplomacy on an NPC professor instead.
Local is useful vs figuring out what class an NPC is.
Nobility and royalty is garbage, except for synergy with Diplomacy.
Religion is useful vs undeads.
The planes is useful vs demons/devils.

Listen

Used to hear things. It pays to have at least one person in the party with high Listen, or get used to getting ambushed all the time.

Move Silently

Used to sneak up on people. It's decent on rogues who don't want to burn money on

silence

scrolls.

Open Lock

Used to open a lock. Usually easier to just break the lock.

Perform

Bards need this fuel their abilities. Not very useful otherwise.

Profession

Used to pretend you're a sailor or whatever. Too bad highest paying profession in D&D is adventuring.

Ride

Used to ride things. Needed really only when you're doing a mounted build.

Search

Used to find things. Secret doors, traps, treasure, etc. Very useful skill to have.

Sense Motive

Used to tell if someone is deceiving you. Very niche. Diplomacy is much better for obvious reasons.

Sleight of Hand

Used to pick pockets. Kinda silly when most NPCs have less than 1 gold on them.

Speak Language

Used to learn new languages. Not very relevant in most cases.

Spellcraft

Used to identify spell effects, scrolls, items, spells, etc. Incredibly useful to have.

Spot

Used to see things. Not having this on at least one of your party members means you should get used to getting ambushed.

Survival

Used for doing things in the wilderness. If you have Track feat, this skill gets slightly more useful, but very niche skill overall.

Swim

Used to swim. I recommend not swimming.

Tumble

Used to move through threatened squares, and through enemy squares.

Use Magic Device

Arguably the best skill in the game. It lets you use money to solve all your problems. This is what makes rogues extremely versatile.

Use Rope

Used to tie things. Better to use magic or force in most cases.

[BipolarChemist]

FG you're gr8 <3 luv ya

[FakeGod]

More rules,

For spell completion items (like scrolls), you need to have the spell on your spell list to cast it.

(

Sanctuary

cannot be cast by druids, and

Flame Blade

cannot be cast by clerics.)

Also,

entangle

actually targets existing plants in the target area. In a barren area (like in middle of dungeons), it wouldn't actually do anything.

[Varsoon]

One of the things I appreciate Pathfinder for doing was narrowing skills down and making them more useful across the board.

[Hanasawa]

Okay, so I feel like we should owe all those who weren't there more of an explanation. First off, we started with Gaiden and BpC along with me, the first 3 people to come. My character lead them to the right where the water was and into the necromancy room before. The doors from before were suddenly able to be opened as Who and Tbone came around later. We went through a hallway of coffins that stunk of vomit and rotting flesh, probably as suggested by the prisoner we rescued. From there, we first fought a bunch of skeletons and one of the abomination flesh things like the room before when we had the hordes. We managed to defeat all of them albeit with a few scratches on people.

After that battle, we decided to explore the room since it was really big, there was a door after the door we opened that had the abomination in it and Gaiden and I found another door. This was all to the east of the room, we then decided to head west to explore after we wanted to see the place more before opening. Before we knew it, the doors on the east opened and there were people coming. What happened was that there was a mage who was controlling about 4 of those abominations NOT TO MENTION that we were split into two groups. North west was Tbone (Lorick) and BpC and south west was Gaiden (Suika) and I (Miniri). BpC and Tbone huddled up at the top trying to stop 2 abominations come after them but BpC fell to them hard and had I think only one chance to stabilise but they pretty much mangled his corpse and all was lost. Tbone and Coyote manage to escape. Gaiden and I, on the other hand, had the other two, Gaiden's character went around and hit at the mage controlling the enemies for a bit but just sapped 12 HP as a drain heal. I had to dodge 2 abominations and 7-8 archer skeletons after I was targeted on for having the light source. I got hit by one arrow and both abominations missed before Who came back and his character made me invisible.

In other words...we need to be more prepared again if we go back. Tbone and Who had to go so it was just Gaiden and I doing our first mission together with Dr. K. We went down some sewers, found some rubble, Gaiden's character went forward with Dr. K, giant tentacle monster tried to grapple Gaiden and failed(?) but I think Suika decided to grapple the monster anyway. Regardless after Miniri told the doctor to stay behind her, HE JUST WALKED RIGHT NEXT TO THE MONSTER AND STUDIED IT. So I decided to try my first ever Energy Gestalt, Gaiden did Flurry of Blows, I managed to slow it and Dr. K killed the monster with a pen that did 1 damage. Told to cut up the monster (which Suika did because hell no Miniri ain't doing that) and then we got ridiculous exp because two people only and 25% more EXP if we bring Dr. K along to fights (WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS WORTH IT IF THIS IS WHAT HE DOES AHHHHH).

Hope that summarises everything a bit more in detail.

[Varsoon]

<3
Thanks for the summary.

[T-Bone]

You forgot knowledge nature!

Also my bad on all that scroll and spell thing...tthat's my doing

[FakeGod]

You forgot knowledge nature!

Knowledge nature is useful early game, but it falls off because animals become rare as game progresses to higher levels.

It does have a niche role in identifying Fey however. (Fey exist at virtually all levels of play, albeit in low numbers)

One of the things I appreciate Pathfinder for doing was narrowing skills down and making them more useful across the board.

I actually like it that stealth requires 2 skills to max, and perception takes 3 skills to max. It really emphasizes the importance of skills by giving them weight, as well as making classes with high skill count more valuable.

I'm not as familiar with PF skills, but I think rest of the skills are about useful in PF as they are in 3.5.

[T-Bone]

Pathfinder is just streamlined 3.5. If you know 3.5, then you pretty much know Pathfinder.

[FakeGod]

Well, I know what to ban on 3.5 (polymorph, planar binding, ToB, etc), but everything is so overpowered in PF that I wouldn't know where to start banning on Pathfinder.

Items and item creation also work very differently iirc.

[FakeGod]

I am thinking of holding a

2

hr session on Wednesday 5PM Pacific time.

Please post here if you want to play then!

[Who]

I will be there.

[T-Bone]

I'll be round.

[Hanasawa]

Yeah, always an easy time to make. I'm so excited once again and also a little scared now...