Star Trek Deep Space Nine Season 1 Mafia(game over!)

[PeregrineV]

@Pere, Are you claiming you targeted me every single night? or that you were inactive?

I didn't say any of this.

Read 3469.

[Titus]

I'm telling you that isn't clear.

By saying you targeted no one else. That could mean you a) targeted me every night and failed or b) never targeted at all. I want that cleared up.

[davesaz]

Looks like major league role fishing to me.
Shall we lynch it?
VOTE: PeregrineV

[PeregrineV]

I'm telling you that isn't clear.

By saying you targeted no one else. That could mean you a) targeted me every night and failed or b) never targeted at all. I want that cleared up.

No, I took a shot in the dark day1, figuring it would help me either get a scumread on you, or we could scumhunt hard in the neighborhood together if I thought you were town.

Pretty clear.

When it didn't happen, I figured you would be "unavailable" on future nights.

If I figured that, why would I keep trying to target you?

Other players I thought might be worthwhile town targets I did not feel would live long, so I didn't bother.

Pretty clear that I did no other neighboring attempts.

[PeregrineV]

Looks like major league role fishing to me.
Shall we lynch it?
VOTE: PeregrineV

Peregrine: I think we should massclaim.
Dave: Looks like major role fishing to me.



Using your analogy, I want to grenade the whole lake.

Are you for or against massclaim?

[Titus]

I'm telling you that isn't clear.

By saying you targeted no one else. That could mean you a) targeted me every night and failed or b) never targeted at all. I want that cleared up.

No, I took a shot in the dark day1, figuring it would help me either get a scumread on you, or we could scumhunt hard in the neighborhood together if I thought you were town.

Pretty clear.

When it didn't happen, I figured you would be "unavailable" on future nights.

If I figured that, why would I keep trying to target you?

Other players I thought might be worthwhile town targets I did not feel would live long, so I didn't bother.

Pretty clear that I did no other neighboring attempts.

So you're confirming then you targeted no one other than me with your neighborizer ability?

[LittleGumball]

YES

[davesaz]

Looks like major league role fishing to me.
Shall we lynch it?
VOTE: PeregrineV

Peregrine: I think we should massclaim.
Dave: Looks like major role fishing to me.



Using your analogy, I want to grenade the whole lake.

Are you for or against massclaim?

You claimed a mostly useless role, and on top of that claimed to have no results from it N1 and to have not used it since.
In claiming the no result, you assigned Titus a speculative role to see how she would react to it.

The mass claim suggestion has no bearing on this read. FWIW, I'm not sure it is time yet. By having made your (questionable) claim already, you place others in a bind -- do they go along since so many roles are already out there, or hold back? Either way scum find out who the PRs are, right? Plus they gain the chance to hide among the PRs, which town are notoriously unwilling to lynch in closed setups.

I'm leaning toward massclaim hurts town, but remain open minded about it.

[PeregrineV]

Looks like major league role fishing to me.
Shall we lynch it?
VOTE: PeregrineV

Peregrine: I think we should massclaim.
Dave: Looks like major role fishing to me.



Using your analogy, I want to grenade the whole lake.

Are you for or against massclaim?

You claimed a mostly useless role, and on top of that claimed to have no results from it N1 and to have not used it since.
In claiming the no result, you assigned Titus a speculative role to see how she would react to it.

I speculated as to her role based on my night1 result.
It would have been nice if she confirmed it, but oh well.

The mass claim suggestion has no bearing on this read. FWIW, I'm not sure it is time yet. By having made your (questionable) claim already, you place others in a bind -- do they go along since so many roles are already out there, or hold back? Either way scum find out who the PRs are, right? Plus they gain the chance to hide among the PRs, which town are notoriously unwilling to lynch in closed setups.

I'm leaning toward massclaim hurts town, but remain open minded about it.

Your read is supposed to be that I'm scum for rolefishing.
I've already asked for a massclaim.
That would be rolefishing/asking for everyone's role.
So not sure how the mass claim suggestion has no bearing on the read.

I guess you could argue they are two different things, and asking each person for their role is different from asking each person for their role. If so, feel free.

Meanwhile, I'll put you down for "maybe".

[PeregrineV]

I don't even like the Titus slot, but the Pere slot is worse.

Not really sure, but want to check, thoughts on massclaim?

[Thor665]

My attitude towards massclaim is, as it generally always is; 'sometimes it's great, sometimes it's not - and you never know till after the massclaim'. If we massclaim, fine. If we don't, that is also fine. I will work with the gamestate at that point. You can call me a 'Yes' if it makes you happy.

I do know one thing - the way to make it happen is not the way you're going about it.

Why have you not been addressing my issue with your slot? We had like one back and forth and then I felt like you tucked tail and ran - why was that?

[PeregrineV]

My attitude towards massclaim is, as it generally always is; 'sometimes it's great, sometimes it's not - and you never know till after the massclaim'. If we massclaim, fine. If we don't, that is also fine. I will work with the gamestate at that point. You can call me a 'Yes' if it makes you happy.

I do know one thing - the way to make it happen is not the way you're going about it.

Why have you not been addressing my issue with your slot? We had like one back and forth and then I felt like you tucked tail and ran - why was that?

The gamestate is such that I feel a massclaim will help us win the game in the shortest amount of time.

I was uncertain enough if you were town, so I wanted to keep pressure on you. If you were town, then scum would leave me alone since I was wrong, hoping to manipulate me in the future.
If you were scum, maybe you'd slip up.
(Slim hope, but you're tough to read.)

Not sure of your issues with my slot, since I'm the only one in it the whole game. I don't need a back and forth to know your town at this point.
Trying to scumhunt me will be a waste of time because I should pretty much be the NK tonight.

Because of that, I want all of the "confirmed town" to focus on the last 4 scum.

[Thor665]

The gamestate is such that I feel a massclaim will help us win the game in the shortest amount of time.

Sure? I'm not debating against the idea, nor am I advocating for it.

I was uncertain enough if you were town, so I wanted to keep pressure on you. If you were town, then scum would leave me alone since I was wrong, hoping to manipulate me in the future.
If you were scum, maybe you'd slip up.
(Slim hope, but you're tough to read.)

Not sure of your issues with my slot, since I'm the only one in it the whole game. I don't need a back and forth to know your town at this point.
Trying to scumhunt me will be a waste of time because I should pretty much be the NK tonight.

Because of that, I want all of the "confirmed town" to focus on the last 4 scum.

Meeeeeeeh.

[Titus]

PV, I have a huge problem with your four "confirmed town" theory and your wanting a massclaim. If you have four confirmed town and four scum in a pool, town should be at or near autowin, thus mass claim is not necessary. Yet, you're pushing mass claim hard.

[Thor665]

If you were town, then scum would leave me alone since I was wrong, hoping to manipulate me in the future.

Why didn't this idea crop up with CDB?

[PeregrineV]

PV, I have a huge problem with your four "confirmed town" theory and your wanting a massclaim. If you have four confirmed town and four scum in a pool, town should be at or near autowin, thus mass claim is not necessary. Yet, you're pushing mass claim hard.

I'd like to see your math how 8 town and 4 scum is a "near autowin".

We need 4 days of straight scumlynches. One slipup extends the game that much longer, 2 and we lose?

[PeregrineV]

If you were town, then scum would leave me alone since I was wrong, hoping to manipulate me in the future.

Why didn't this idea crop up with CDB?

That people would leave CDB alone because he was wrong?

I don't get the question.

My own CDB read came from Max's post, incorrect as I was.

[Thor665]

Yes, and scum Left you alone" right?
So - why didn't that twig him to town for you?

[PeregrineV]

Yes, and scum Left you alone" right?
So - why didn't that twig him to town for you?

I pushed him day3.

Instead Senator was lynched.

I pushed him day4.

He was lynched- flipped town.

Yesterday was trying to establish who might be town and who was most likely scum.
In your case, knowing I would be ignored, and you would be ignored if I were wrong about you being scum, pushing you (so to speak) had no downside.

[Thor665]

Could you define "scum leaving you alone" for me, as in how it manifests. You are feeling really wriggly in your answers to things today - I am not fond.

[Titus]

PV, I have a huge problem with your four "confirmed town" theory and your wanting a massclaim. If you have four confirmed town and four scum in a pool, town should be at or near autowin, thus mass claim is not necessary. Yet, you're pushing mass claim hard.

I'd like to see your math how 8 town and 4 scum is a "near autowin".

We need 4 days of straight scumlynches. One slipup extends the game that much longer, 2 and we lose?

First, how are you confident this is 4 scum alive?

Second, the math doesn't support that.

4 conftown + 4 scum +4 unknown, that's what we're going w right?

Mislynch once, shoot conftown. 3 + 3 v 4

No lynch, scum shoot conftown, 3 v 2 v 4.

That's the worst case, provided you conftown is accurate. It's not but humoring you.

By that point, the pool for scum to mislynch will be near impossible. If the doctor remains hidden and only claims at L minus 2, even more so.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

My gut tells me Titus is more likely to be scum than Peregrine. He needs to stop jumping to the conclusion that certain players are confirmed town though.

[Klingoncelt]

I like LG's frustration on feeling ignored. Is it possible that Barn checked Riabli?

It's possible, anything's possible.

I read through Narn's ISO, it looks like he checked Hostile Intent Night 1 or 2 and she wound up dead. His check would have gone to Suzune N4. So he could have cleared only 2 other players.

I'm not liking Peregrine V's posts today...

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Daveaz and Titus should be more receptive of launching a massclaim if they were town. The massclaim is the most town thing Peregrine has tried to do so far, and it seems every time he brings it up, Titus jumps on him and adds pressure to his slot. That makes me want to go through with the massclaim even more. It just makes sense at this point, being D6 and all.

We need to hear from these other lurking dipshits about whether they want to massclaim or not.
P.S VOTE: Titus

[Klingoncelt]

My gut tells me Titus is more likely to be scum than Peregrine. He needs to stop jumping to the conclusion that certain players are confirmed town though.

He's riding that tale too hard. Plus he wants a massclaim.

Titus, meanwhile, isn't playing her usual way...

I'm not crazy about either one, but Pere is definitely scummier.