Mini 1699 - #swag wars: THE empire strikes back (swaggedout)

[Empire]

DAY 2, VOTECOUNT 3

Vinkah (1)

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RedCoyote

RedCoyote (1)

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Wickedestjr

notscience (1)

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implosion

Not Voting (8)

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Vinkah, Tammy, Nachomamma8, fferyllt, notscience, Layla, Boonskiies, pieguyn

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch! Deadline is on August 13th at 3AM EST or in (expired on 2015-08-13 03:03:09).

Mod Notes - Nachomamma8 is V/LA until Tuesday.

[fferyllt]

Sorry, was caught up, and I'll get to this either late tonight or tomorrow morning.

where'd you go?

[Empire]

Prodding Boonskiies.

[Boonskiies]

Yeah, sorry. Had a lack of constant internet time past couple days.

VOTE: Wicked

I feel like he's creating strong reads in himself, but he's constantly asking for other people's reads, and it looks like he's trying to tailor them to the situation.

[Empire]

Searching for a Layla replacement.

[Empire]

Soft-spoken replaces Layla.

[fferyllt]

sweet! have you been following the game, SS?

[Tammy]

I'm getting ready to leave for Florida. My time will be rather limited until my nieces leave on Tuesday, I think.

Anyway, I really did want to talk to Cheetory because my play here wasn't really all that different from We the Purple, in that I didn't directly interact with people all the time. In fact, the only real interaction i had with people was when they addressed me or questioned me or I was telling them to stop spam posting and fighting over stupid shit. But my reads were all given in the same manner as here and in fact my scum read on his slot was also me just saying that I thought they were scum by gut and for their behavior without actually interacting with them to figure it out. I had already flipped town by the time this game started, so he had seen town me act in a different way that Signs and Void, so that struck me as weird. I mean obviously he couldn't use that game as meta while it was ongoing, but he certainly shouldn't have been making some of the arguments he had.

So, IDK what to think there. But basically my statements to him about being disingenuous and that I didn't think he believed some of the things he was saying were due to We the Purple.

Anyway, I don't expect to disappear until Wednesday, but I'll be limited. Also I'll actually be somewhat limited for the next couple weeks as I'm visiting family. Basically I'll be in spurts probably.

[Wickedestjr]

Thanks notscience

Tammy, how strong is your town read on implosion?

notscience, what are your thoughts right now? (Are you caught up?)

Unfortunately none of my reads are super strong. I was so busy and so behind most of day one that I don't feel like I had any real handle on my reads. I'm probably going to pass out soon, but tomorrow I'll have some time to sit down with this game and reassess what little reads I did have.

Fair enough.

(Yesterday was bleh, will catch up tonight)

[Empire]

Prodding Vinkah.

[fferyllt]

Vote: Boonskies

[notscience]

ffery why are you blue

[fferyllt]

brainfart.

VOTE: Boonskies

[Soft-spoken]

sweet! have you been following the game, SS?

nope i did log in once a day to check my inbox though.

im gunna be lazy for the moment and ask for a summary of things to look into. if a few of you could point out interactions that you think are key to the game that would help, i can check back and look at them specifically. im feeling not so much of a desire to do the catchup routine ATM

[Soft-spoken]

oh also... if anyone has claimed that an action was taken on them or that they took an action. that would be mighty important too. ill skim through on my own a bit too but im not going to do a full read and i dont want to miss anything.

[notscience]

I claimed a vig on your slot that didn't go through.

Care to share?

[Soft-spoken]

i dont have a vest, if thats what you are asking. ill have to look at the normal guidelines again to come to a list of why that might happen. im assuming doctor, JK, mafia roleblocker are possibilities but idk what else

[Vinkah]

im here. thought i would be able to post this morning, but i slept all day after yesterdays bar comp. 16 hour day, fuck being head bartender. i absolutely will post something tomorrow before work tomorrow night.

[Wickedestjr]

plus, I think (especially given what ffery brought up re: his meta earlier) he sure as hell could have acted more confident if he is actually scum here.

I’ll admit, that’s a really good point.

neither is the second thing. I'm seeing it as him having his own scum reads, but being willing to factor into account people's interactions with the Anen wagon if he flipped town here. I don't see what you think is weird about it.

I’m not one to look at a player’s reads just because they’re confirmed town. I read everything that everyone says and seek help sometimes (case in point my question towards Tammy), but for the most part I develop my reads independently… Perhaps this is just a play style difference, but I'm having trouble understanding it.

I mean, Wicked, you're essentially telling me to not be straight with you. You know what I think is straight? Telling people that a D1 lynch where you get no claims other than one VT, lynching said VT, and having them flip VT is a pretty good result for the town. That's sensible. It's not ideal, no, but that's a pretty good outcome, all things considered. Every time I find myself in a position to say that (it doesn't happen every game due to themes, early claims, early hammers, individual reads, etc), it's inevitable someone comes after me for that with some version of that same line.

I’m not telling you to be dishonest. For what it’s worth, I agreed with your comment that day 1 was a success even if it was a mislynch. I just didn’t understand why you had to make the comment in the first place… It made me think that you worried about receiving criticism for your hammer vote.

what do you make of the exchange between ffery/me starting from 458?

I’ve never seen an RC-scum game before. My experience with RC is swag town where I correctly strong-town read him from the start. I’ve heard a few people say that he has a strong scum game and I’m usually very cautious in reading players like that, but I still got strong town vibes from him there. For whatever reason, his posting here doesn’t give me that equally strong feeling of genuineness. I should check those scum games that ffery posted…


Side note: I was fully expecting RC-scum to vote for notscience and the vote for Vinkah confuses me... Especially considering I

just

made a comment about how RC's loyalty to his notscience suspicion felt like a town tell.

[Wickedestjr]

Last comment regarding the Gnomeo kill;

He wasn't super scummy, but nobody else was either. If I were to rank the playerlist based on how much suspicion they received, I think Gnomeo would have been near the top. He was probably mislynchable. notscience is the only death that would have surprised me more considering the attention he was getting at the end of the day.

[Wickedestjr]

VOTE: Wicked

I feel like he's creating strong reads in himself, but he's constantly asking for other people's reads, and it looks like he's trying to tailor them to the situation.

This is awful, feels fake, and I don't think you've actually read.

I have only one strong read at this point and I'm pretty sure I haven't disclosed it yet, so not sure where you're getting that impression. Furthermore, I haven't been 'constantly asking for other people's reads', that's an exaggeration and not a scum tell (even if I

had

created strong reads)... I will ask for a read now, though: what do you think of Vinkah?

I have no idea what your last comment means.

Unvote. Vote: Boonskiies

[Wickedestjr]

Mod: I will be V/LA from August 8th through 12th. I will not touch a computer, but might be able to make the occasional phone posts...

[Empire]

Prodding pieguyn.

[pieguyn]

i'll be around later

[notscience]

Tammy are you town ?