Scumleague FF 2015 (Locke, Yiley, TD37!)

[TheDominator37]

Ok have fun Zor!

[mith]

League 2

Our best bets at the moment are looking like 9:00pm EDT on Saturday, Sept 5 or 8:30pm EDT on Sunday, Sept 6. I won't lock a time in quite yet, since KK is a dunno for both and Wraith has another draft at some point Sunday. The 8:30 time would be preferable for jasonT (who is in the UK).

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I prefer Sunday, might be out of town playing Magic on Saturday.

[Kmd4390]

Are divisions final? Because if so, I believe we have all three 2014 League 1 division winners in the same division and that's just scary loaded.

[TheDominator37]

Why what happened last year :p?

[Kmd4390]

Is that to me? All I'm saying is that these divisions guarantee that someone who won a League 1 division last year won't make the playoffs. Typically, it's more fun if divisions are balanced and the best thing we have to measure strength is last year's finish (although obviously there are variables). I mean, to be honest last year was fun knowing that I had to top Rob and IS (both top five teams who were in my division) to get there so being able to go on a huge run and end up in the Super Bowl was huge. But a balanced league is a fair league and that's more what we usually go for here.

[Kmd4390]

Would anyone have a problem with this for divisions?
Talitha
Locke Lamora
Panzerjager
Nero Cain

Kmd4390
Rob13
Zoraster
Agar

hasdgfas
Internet Stranger
Flameaxe
T-Bone

[zoraster]

hmmm

[zoraster]

did tally move from the west coast to the east?

[Kmd4390]

Wasn't looking at that. I don't know where people live lol

Does it come out looking balanced if we do it geographically?

[zoraster]

Traditionally the league has valued some semblance of consistency in the divisions over concerns about "fairness" that are difficult to predict anyway. I don't care one way or the other, but if you're going to do it totally based on last year's finish, you should probably do it based on this: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

which leads to

Spoiler: Sorting by last year

1

Talitha
Locke Lamora
T-Bone
zoraster

2

kmd
Rob13
Nero Cain
Flameaxe

3

hasdgfas
Panzerjager
Internet Stranger
Agar

[Kmd4390]

That's actually pretty close to what I had lol. And I have absolutely no issue with doing that.

By consistency, do you mean keeping it similar to last year? Because that looks more like:
Kmd
Rob
IS
Locke

Tally
T Bone
Panzer
Agar

Hascow
Zoraster
Nero
Flameaxe

Plugging in L2 to Tally's division and Flameaxe (L3 champ) to yours. But I still feel like this leaves last year's loaded division pretty loaded considering it's unchanged.

[PokerFace]

Should probably go based on last years results for division setups in all leagues. Not sure if my league is setup right or not with that in mind

[TheDominator37]

Are all the leagues in divisions? Or just l1?

[Kmd4390]

All

[Axxle]

We still seem to be missing an owner in L3

[mith]

Traditionally the league has valued some semblance of consistency in the divisions over concerns about "fairness" that are difficult to predict anyway. I don't care one way or the other, but if you're going to do it totally based on last year's finish, you should probably do it based on this: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

which leads to

Spoiler: Sorting by last year

1

Talitha
Locke Lamora
T-Bone
zoraster

2

kmd
Rob13
Nero Cain
Flameaxe

3

hasdgfas
Panzerjager
Internet Stranger
Agar

Traditionally we kept the "Adventurers" division together (me, Tally, IS, plus a recent champ), and put all the newcomers in division 3 (with the rest of the vets in division 2). With me finally dropping to L2, last year's league 1 was roughly geographical, and divisions 2 and 3 were random.

I was actually thinking this year we might try doing divisions by draft position (1-4, 5-8, 9-12). Anyone totally opposed to that? Otherwise I'll probably stick with random for L2 and L3 and let L1 decide how they want to do things.

Jahudo, when divisions are decided I will send you the divisional schedule (which I have in a spreadsheet somewhere). It's kind of a pain to edit manually, sorry in advance.

[T-Bone]

Later in the day is better for me draftwise L1, that's where my vote goes.

[T-Bone]

So are we changing waivers to that other system (what was it called?)?

[Jahudo]

Still waiting on Resare to confirm in L3, I think. We may need a replacement.

As for a L3 draft time it looks like Saturday August 29 at 1 PM EST is the best time so far

[Kmd4390]

Hmm. Well if we did it the traditional way, hascow is the only former L1 champ who is in L1 this year and could be placed with Tally and IS. If you go to L2 champs, Panzer won it last year, but if you want to keep all four of the players who moved up together, it would be me from the year before. The "rest of the vets" group would be Locke, Zoraster, Nero, and Rob. Or if Panzer were placed in with the "Adventurers" division, the "newcomers" division would be short one and maybe Rob (L3 champ in 2013) would occupy that spot?

So we either have:
Tally, IS, Hascow, Kmd
Panzer, Agar, Flameaxe, TBone
Zoraster, Nero, Locke, Rob

Or:
Tally, IS, Hascow, Panzer
Rob, Agar, Flameaxe, TBone
Zoraster, Nero, Locke, Kmd

If you want to promote rivalries, I feel like the second option has an "other vet" group that played in L2 a lot and really represents the group who worked their way into L1 in the last 2-3 years. The "newcomers" division has done the same in the last 1-2 years with Rob, Flameaxe, and TBone coming all the way up fromL3. Then there are the four who have played every year since at least 2007. I mean, Locke has been in L1 for a while and Panzer has been back and forth so you could maybe even switch the two of them. I think I've played in the same league as Panzer more than Locke anyway, so rivalry wise, that might be better.

I dunno. Just a few ideas. I'm really cool with whatever people decide. It's just fun to play around with ideas.

[PokerFace]

I'll follow suit with whatever everyone else wants for divisional setup in my league then

[Talitha]

I kind of like the draft order idea for divisions... mainly because no-one can be blamed for any resulting imbalance! I agree it is difficult to predict how strong a group of players will be from one year to the next.

Re draft times... already it is impossible to suit everyone who has let me know a preference, unfortunately. I'm currently looking at 5.00pm US Central time on Sunday 6th Sept. Which is I think 11.00pm UK time. PM me if you wish to register a complaint about this.

[Locke Lamora]

Yeah, I really don't mind how the divisions fall. It's fun to play people you've had good matchups with before but I don't care whether my division is full of previous winners or players with no experience. You should have to beat good teams at some point anyway, and there's enough randomness involved that I think it's a fairly pointless exercise trying to determine a 'fair' divisional alignment in advance, unless you know for sure that certain teams are going to check out after Week 3, in which case those teams shouldn't be playing anyway.

[Talitha]

Drat. Basically, whenever I schedule the draft it is going to be a bad time for at least 2 people who've PMed me.

So can I ask that if you were in League 1

last year

and the draft was badly timed for you and you were forced to autodraft, can you please remind me via PM so I can prioritise your availability this year? That would be fairest, right?