Mini 1682 - Game Over

[RadiantCowbells]

She posted today....

WRONG.

WROOONG.

LIAR.

LYNCH ALL FUCKING LIARS.

SHE HAS NOT POSTED SINCE MIDNIGHT WHICH IS TODAY.

VOTE: GG

IMMEDIATELY DEAL WITH THIS.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Townced

[RadiantCowbells]

Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

[RadiantCowbells]

So this basically confirms Huntress as scum by the lack of a quickhammer.

So the real question is, which of GG and Fitz is town?

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't trust you, Titus.

[RadiantCowbells]

thanks townced

[RadiantCowbells]

I think that if you're town, scum are more likely to bus Town!ced than you are to hammer correctly.

[RadiantCowbells]

No, Molla does not want to vote fitz and stop being such a scummy fuck gypsy.

[RadiantCowbells]

OK, sorry.

Emphasis was on scummy though.

[RadiantCowbells]

Huntress, you're confirmed scum. I'm not talking to you.

[RadiantCowbells]

Why so town, townced?

[RadiantCowbells]

Maybe

right.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean I got prodded but I honestly have nothing to say at this point.

My vote's down, every remaining townie needs to follow my vote to win.

And Fitz, if you're town, now is not the time to OMGUS. Drakced might as well have claimed scum at this point.

[RadiantCowbells]

GG and Fitz, if you vote Drakced you don't have to give Titus hammer!

It's like magic or something.

[RadiantCowbells]

Or it suggests that Huntress is in fact town but just terrible at the game and they're waiting for her to re-vote Molla.

Or that you're scum, or hoping you're wrong, or whatever.

Why are you assuming that you'll get a 3-3 cross hammer per se? What if town votes incorrectly and BB gets speedhammered?

You're not adding any utility for your team with this stupidity, and in fact the only person you're serving is yourself and possibly your scumteam.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like, your priority right now is clearly not lynching Drakced, and because of that I'm disinclined to grant you any sort of towncred or faith in your reads.

[RadiantCowbells]

Titus clearly doesn't care about who gets lynched today.

I'm guessing scumteam is Titus/Drakced/Huntress which means we need Fitz and GG to vote correctly to win.

[RadiantCowbells]

In fact, VOTE: Titus.

This vote isn't changing unless you vote Drakced, and given that if you're town this gives scum the opportunity to quickhammer you, and I assure you I will do nothing to prevent it, you better get off your ass and make something happen.

[RadiantCowbells]

Note the lack of me unvoting.

[RadiantCowbells]

This vote isn't changing unless you vote Drakced, and given that if you're town this gives scum the opportunity to quickhammer you, and I assure you I will do nothing to prevent it, you better get off your ass and make something happen.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: unvote

ok now that I'm basically cleared you better fucking vote drakced or I'll revote you fast.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Drakced

[RadiantCowbells]

I got 99 purposes behind that gambit and a game throw isn't one.

hit me

[RadiantCowbells]

you just tried to quickhammer your primary townread as evidenced by

I'm town! Titus (or anyone else), please don't hammer, or the loss in on you. If you lynch me, its game over.

[RadiantCowbells]

Please.

[RadiantCowbells]

Man, there's no way we would have won that without having encryptor.

I can't believe that Drakced voted Titus, rofl.

[RadiantCowbells]

GG town, I think you guys definitely could have won this if the early game went in another direction but it snowballed way too hard in our favour with our double PR lynch/NK.

Sorry Drakced, nice try but no cigar. Titus vote was a pain in the butt to get.

[RadiantCowbells]

Huntress, claim a role.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean it's all academic anyway, seeing as you engaged in a killing action and haven't claimed as having a killing action.

[RadiantCowbells]

So if we take for granted that GG is in fact caught quickhammering scum, which I don't doubt, the game is solved as Huntress/GG scum and rest town.

If Fitz/Titus townread me the game's autowin at this point.

[RadiantCowbells]

didn't you read my last?

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean we could lynch Huntress first.

[RadiantCowbells]

Which is probably the better idea because Huntress is confirmed scum, whereas GG is only likely scum based off of the quickhammer.

[RadiantCowbells]

Well, it's either you or GG.

[RadiantCowbells]

Or fitz.

[RadiantCowbells]

All but the part where you name your scum team.

the game is solved as Huntress/GG scum

[RadiantCowbells]

We should sort out the other scum first. I'm thinking GG scum but I don't necessarily townread you either.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I said, I have a follower guilty on her.

[RadiantCowbells]

Alright, I'm thinking it's Fitz for last scum because it's pretty clear that he knows that I don't in fact have a guilty on Huntress.

So, Fitz/GG

[RadiantCowbells]

But Huntress's reaction was no better. So, mm.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean I'm pretty happy just lynching Huntress for last scum because I'm not keen on her winning as scum again and she's not putting any effort into this game.

[RadiantCowbells]

I am willing to take Titus as confirmed town at this point.

So we're just looking for one town in Fitz/GG/Hunt, most likely not GG but I'm not going to rule that out yet.

[RadiantCowbells]

lol.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't understand why you didn't vote Huntress, Titus.

Is it because you're in fact scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

Fitz, you've been around since 2009 and yet the best argument I can make for your play being town is that you have absolutely no idea how to play mafia.

Why is that?

[RadiantCowbells]

...I was joking, but you're not voting last.

[RadiantCowbells]

I also don't think you're conftown. I could easily see Drakced pushing a bus if Town!GG voted with Town!RC.

I'm only taking you as conftown today in the sense that I'm not lynching you today. Current lynchpool is between Huntress and Fitz.

[RadiantCowbells]

The only thing I really have "established" today is that Titus is not scum with GG.

This means that there's at least one scum between Fitz/Huntress, and I intend to ferret out that scum before I decide on final lynch.

And yeah, I was joking, the "reasons" that you would not vote Huntress there are numerous and obvious.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm no longer quite so sold on the idea that GG was trying to quickhammer.

[RadiantCowbells]

So, in other words, sacrifice control over the game in order to (maybe) improve your reads.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's not likely but I may in fact end up voting you today if things remain as they are.

Otherwise, I'll continue trying to sort through everyone for a townread.

[RadiantCowbells]

All 4 of you:

Who do you think are the two remaining town and why?

[RadiantCowbells]

Ah eff it, I'm honestly done sorting this game.

VOTE: Huntress

[RadiantCowbells]

I could explain my reads, but the key points are that I do, in fact, townread Titus and have done so since I replaced in, consider GG to be confirmed scum, and am voting Huntress because GG tried to appeal BB to vote Fitz.

I've been wavering as to Hunt/Fitz but while Fitz is more scummy logically and by such tools as VCA that players such as Titus would use, I'm feeling Huntress as scum, and that gut feeling is worth a hundred town wagons to me.

Since I've got Fitz's vote by default, it remains to be seen whether or not Titus joins us.

[RadiantCowbells]

My universe.

[RadiantCowbells]

That's really not how I operate, Titus.

[RadiantCowbells]

The lack of either a hammer or any sort of maneuvering to hammer should be construed as Huntress being scum.

Since it's quite apparent that no one but me remains at all invested in this game, you guys should just go ahead and hammer.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm confirmed town, because I cannot be scum with literally anyone currently alive.

[RadiantCowbells]

1) I can't be scum with Titus or GG because we could have quickhammered Huntress when Fitz voted her.
2) I can't be scum with either Fitz or Huntress because we could have quickhammered hammered Titus when GG voted her.

I am cleared.

[RadiantCowbells]

Do you plan to do something about it?

Because you talk a lot but do very little.

[RadiantCowbells]

What if I was about to lead a vote on your foremost townread.

Would you still be this laissez faire about potentially throwing the game for you?

[RadiantCowbells]

Like, your strategy basically assumes that I'm either scum or am going to hit scum.

If we were going to lose, you wouldn't get the chance to hammer jack because scum would do that for you.

Likewise, since you (justifiedly) townread me, the lack of a quickhammer on the person I vote when they get to L-1 should guarantee them for scum in your eyes.

So, as I said, you're talking a lot but doing very little.

[RadiantCowbells]

And none of this is meant to imply that you're scum.

I will not live to tomorrow to lynch you even if I wanted to and I think you're town.

But I find your playstyle bizarre.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't have townreads either, but I have two scumreads so strong that Fitz is downright towny in comparison.

[RadiantCowbells]

I completely agree that Titus is both hypocritical and is holding a position while claiming to hold another.

I question whether it is wilful, however.

@GG, why did you suddenly go from wanting to lynch Titus to hammering Townced?

[RadiantCowbells]

Fitz, from your POV I'm 100% town OR scum with Huntress, meaning that you should be happy to vote her either because I'm voting her and a quickhammer isn't happening or because she's my partner.

[RadiantCowbells]

Great!

Well, if we're not scum together then I am 100% cleared.

You should sheep my clear vote.

[RadiantCowbells]

Great, now towns votes are locked.

Make your choice, Fitz/Titus/GG.

[RadiantCowbells]

It means that now no one is going to have to think about who they want to vote because their only choices are me and Huntress.

And let's be real, if you're (directed at you, Fitz) planning to lynch me over Huntress you've got some serious deficiencies in your play.

[RadiantCowbells]

That's not a case against RC, fyi. That's just a case on why I may not perhaps be *confirmed* as town.

When you consider my gambit the previous day and in fact my play the entire game I'm really obvious town, to the point where I'm not even going to entertain a discussion on RC!Scum.

I know that you're going to end up voting Huntress, Titus. I'd prefer if you did it earlier to show Fitz where your loyalties lie, since it's not your reads that matter any more in this game, it's his.

[RadiantCowbells]

RC what's your argument against huntress again?

Don't patronize me. your scumgame is terrible.

[RadiantCowbells]

Alright I've had about fucking enough of you Fitz.

VOTE: Fitz

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not pushing Fitz as scum.

I'm done with this game. I tried for town, you and Fitz have done fuck all but sit in the background and expect me to carry the game for you.

[RadiantCowbells]

Titus still won't place a vote and is still maintaining that she, and not me, is the obvious town in this situation.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

hammer.

[RadiantCowbells]

Well, strictly speaking I can be banned for selfvoting when I know it's lylo.

VOTE: Titus

I dislike you more than Fitz because at least Fitz has being terrible as a defense.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like, this town is complete and utter cancer and I hope I never have to play with either of you again.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think anyone at this point knows I am town. It's down to the other town to find each other.

This quote is why I hate you.

The game was solved over a week ago and you're still trying to pick up your useless pieces so you can feel powerful.

No one in this game gives a flying fuck what you think, your reads have been useless all game, if you're going to be a burden and get carried then at least stop dragging your feet.

[RadiantCowbells]

GG/Hunt are scum, I finished scumhunting a week ago, and Fitz being right about the lynch between me and Huntress would solve the game independently of whatever you do.

Literally the only thing you could have done to help town right now was to vote Huntress and either try to get Fitz onto the same page or let me do it. I'm not going to play babysitter to both your vote and Fitzes when you're both being this stubborn and absentee.

[RadiantCowbells]

My vote is not changing until you vote Huntress or at least GG.

Last time I voted you to let you see scum try to quickhammer you, then pulled my vote away at L-1 and lynched scum instead.

Since that has apparently not convinced you to trust in either my reads or my towniness, I will not be unvoting this time if you feel like you need to get pissy because I'm fed up with your objective uselessness.

[RadiantCowbells]

Feel free to go for the quickhammer by the way. If Titus is gonna switch votes you'd lose anyway, and if she's not then you can have the win.

[RadiantCowbells]

You're voting me and are doing nothing to convince me to change my read.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like, regardless of alignment, how is that response even a thing?

Come on, you can do better.

[RadiantCowbells]

If you want to play pretend that RC's not obvtown day then I won't win if you're town so I'm playing to my wincon by getting off a lynch I know I can get off.

See how that works?

[RadiantCowbells]

And it's incredibly presumptuous of you, Huntress, to think that there's no way that scum wouldn't have tried to quickhammer after they tried yesterday and I used it as leverage to lynch Drakced.

[RadiantCowbells]

Further, Titus, by your logic GG is confirmed scum whether with me or not and you should be equally happy to lynch any of the scum so not even agreeing to vote her isn't you being rational, it's you being too stubborn to be at all helpful.

[RadiantCowbells]

For us to have coordinated that GG has to be scum with me.

If it wasn't coordinated, then I'm clearly the town on the wagon.

Either way, you'd be voting braindead if you weren't such a wallflower.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm unvoting now because this is my last time posting in the game today.

VOTE: Gypsy Girl

confscum, etc, and yes I'm positive they would have been scared after yesterday.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Huntress

Please refrain from prodding me if this game doesn't end.

[RadiantCowbells]

Titus, you've talked a lot of big things about your VCA and scumhunting.

This isn't remotely a difficult lynch. Any reasonable person, not that there are any alive in this game, would say that I am obvtown.

You were brought to LyLo as semi confirmed town. This is your chance to prove that Huntress was wrong to bank on you mislynching me for her win.

I look forward to your contributions.

VLA today. Please make your cases while I am out.

I've done enough.

[RadiantCowbells]

Vote me then. I participated in both scum lynches, cleared your slot, and semi cleared my own.

I owe you nothing more, and I both detest your playstyle and am completely unimpressed by your ability.

[RadiantCowbells]

Vote me then. You're a fucking terrible player and I'm done with you.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh, and Huntress, you don't deserve this.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like, even Huntress knows that you're a terrible player. You were left alive as confirmed town to face LyLo.

After this game you are never going to have any credibility to claim any sort of scumhunting prowess with your one trick pony "VCA".

[RadiantCowbells]

You think you got 2 scum lynched?

I got us here, not you.

I called the entire scumteam 3 days ago and baited two scum into a quickhammer that gave us two free confscum lynches.

You really have no idea what you're saying.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also, your hammer argument is terrible given that town never voted me and scum wouldn't trust me not to unvote.

[RadiantCowbells]

So, we've now established that you're really bad through 3 different gameplay situations.

I, as town, caught you as scum and got you lynched in a day.
I, as scum, outplayed you as town and endgamed you after functional auto loss.
I, as town, lost because of your inept scumhunting.

If we ever play again, you better just sheep my votes because you have no idea what you're doing.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh, and I was really, really, really, really,

really

obvious town.

There's really no two ways about it.

[RadiantCowbells]

There's really no need to try to save face when you wouldn't have had any to begin with.

Instead, try to learn from your errors here so you won't make them in future games.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think I'm good but I have the success with scumhunting that goes with it to prove it.

You think you're good but all I've seen you do is fail horribly at everything you attempt and either get carried or lose.

This game just confirms my prior conceptions about your play and I see no reason that I should "get over myself" considering that this was just one of many games where I had the entire scumteam solved with 0 scum flips.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean especially considering it's incredibly, even stupidly obvious that the Fitz NK makes no sense from my perspective.

[RadiantCowbells]

^ thank Titus the supposedly amazing VCA user and supreme scumhunter of the allied forces in europe for that, especially considering that my unvote when she was getting wagoned should have basically confirmed myself as town in her eyes.

[RadiantCowbells]

For how big you talk, Titus, I remain unimpressed by your performance in reality.

[RadiantCowbells]

And yeah, I was fucking obvious town.

Too bad you're a nimrod who is more concerned with your own ego (with how poor your performance consistently is I don't see how you maintain one tbh) causing you to lynch out of spite rather than lynch obvious scum.

Because let's all be honest with ourselves, there's no way Titus could have lynched me because she thought I was scum. VCA made me town, any sort of reading for emotion reading made me town, and looking at our cases would make me town. Titus was clearly just being a gigantic baby with that lynch on me and lost the game for us over it.

[RadiantCowbells]

Whoa RC back off. It's just a game, and everyone tried their best. No one likes a sore loser.

You'd have a point if I wasn't already sore about the fact that Titus was on my team 2 days before I lost the game.

I'm unconvinced that anyone on the scum team deserved the win and am pretty sure you only got it because Titus found lynching obvtown better than facing the reality that most or all of what I said about her play was true.

[RadiantCowbells]

Maybe not consciously so, but in her mind that's what happened, yes.

[RadiantCowbells]

And I mean, when the alternative is that she failed this choice of lynches, I'm not sure which option is more insulting.

[RadiantCowbells]

Too bad this time you don't have a pile of derpies to sic on me for a mislynch.

VOTE: Huntress

guess I was wrong boiz.

[RadiantCowbells]

Although I was right at the time given that Titus was not in fact in the game at the time.

[RadiantCowbells]

I can do plenty wrong, as games such as my recent IC experience would reveal, but unlike others I take to heart my mistakes and learn from them and don't make them again.

Titus will instead leave this game thinking about how much of a problem I was and about how much easier the game would have been if I wasn't as I was, in spite of the fact that I objectively carried town through this game.

I have little tolerance for players who think that they are good and fail to perform in such a way. If you're not amazing at this game, that's fine, it's just a game. Pretending that you're good when you're clearly not is something I have no patience for.

RC have you seen your play in multiple games?

Once all my ongoing games have finished, I will gladly total all my games since my recent return to site so you can see for yourself just how accurate my scumhunting actually is.

[RadiantCowbells]

And, unlike Titus, I don't lord it over others and expect special consideration for it in spite of having failed in the eyes of the player that I'm expecting it of in all of our past games.

I expected to be considered town solely of my performance in this game, and because I wasn't expecting an 100% trust I was willing to switch to GG who was confirmed town over Huntress who I wanted first because I suspected she'd be a more difficult lynch.

Titus, on the other hand, expected to be given hammer and other shenanigans based off of the trust I'm presumed to have in her slot and the towniness which was only there because I scumhunted well.

If I had mislynched Titus we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[RadiantCowbells]

And I honestly think that just about settles this talk.

If I had mislynched Titus we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[RadiantCowbells]

MS, no one in dead chat would have questioned it at all if I had lynched Titus for not assuming that I was town after what happened.

The fact that we're in this position to have this conversation is testament to what I did as town.

[RadiantCowbells]

Exactly like I already said it.

I may have come across as "cocky" but I had the entire scumteam solved right about when I realized that BaldEagle had to be scum.

AKA, when everyone else was lynching Slandaar and Anna.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean, go read my ISO.

[RadiantCowbells]

Why would I be a dick to someone who is not even on my team.

It's hardly their fault that the setup has put them at odds with me.

[RadiantCowbells]

And again, if Titus weren't constantly broadcasting her extreme confidence in her "scumhunting" I wouldn't be putting it in question.

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Like, if you think my current position is unjustified, just carry through in your mind what would have happened if I had elected to lynch Titus for serious for not townreading me.

Town would have 100% blamed Titus for it. I would have had "reason" to scumread Titus, etc.

I didn't. But I had to make a way harder decision than Titus did, and every single day I gave Titus easy decisions by creating wagons onto scumbutts, pre-empting my opinion on the scumteam, and generally playing the game the way she wanted me to play it.

I hated it and it did absolutely nothing for me and I don't want to play with her ever again.

[RadiantCowbells]

I've never played with a player who demanded that everyone conform to her way of playing the game and then even with me carrying her this hard managed to fuck the game up.

[RadiantCowbells]

I was expressing suspicion of you at a time when there was no pressure at all on you, and by the time I was yo uwere clearly a townread of someone.

Yes, I could definitely have done better aka lynching Drakced d2, but considering that my vote was on a different scum who would eventually endgame town, I don't think I failed too bad.

If it makes you feel better, I was reading your reads and you definitely helped clue me in that my initial townread on GG was off base.