Micro 508: MafiaMafiaNotMafia (Bins' Soup Sucks)

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VOTE: unicat
let the paranoia flow

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I don't think we are even allowed to no lynch today.

I don't agree with hunting outside our groups. Getting three informed lynches through is going to be difficult enough without everyone cluttering it up.

scum chooses lynch if we no lynch



ofc we're going to give input on other players
technically this is like
three small games in one

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anyways dragonite is the best of the three dragons here so my group is the one with three townies, any counterarguments to this point?

garchomp #1

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HURT: not_mafia

i love a reason to bring out the hurt tags!

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i don't even know what emote to use in this scenario

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That was mean. Eh, only scum will hammer us, right? What's the paranoia comment about?

because you and plot are a scary scum combo

i'm assuming this is bella

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NM seems fluffy

this really is a good sign

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actually, more 'not a bad sign'

but yeah

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hey that was pretty much my face

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rn now of the people who've posted:
Irish's #6 actually does rub me the wrong way and my rvs vote is gonna stick for a bit longer
chamber shooting down scumhunting outside of groups also bothers me but i can see it coming from a town perspective too
i get good vibes from both bins and NM
fluff accusations on page 1 are rly bad, not happy about unicat either
pie is neutral

yeah, i didn't like irish's entry either. not sure if it was what chamber pointed out with the whole "AND I WAS SAYING" (i mean i do understand that... my internet has crapped out in the same way b4 and deleted posts when i hit the back button).... but more the "I'm town k".

i liked chambers post. controversial opinions rub me right this early in the game.

parama you fooled me in 999 mafia and I'm trying hard to think about the links from this game and that game but
idk not getting that much right at this moment
i liked this post tho

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ouuu im gonna do like a "current standings" read list format once i get more solid reads

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too easy to be a scumslip

odd
phrasing
but
ok

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im not sure if i should give you sass or

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am i genuinely curious as to "why"

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too easy to be a scumslip

odd
phrasing
but
ok

I realized how that could be taken after I posted it

but you know what I mean

am i genuinely curious as to "why"

no, you're not

pedit: because reasons.

sort of


and yes i am
i don't see how you could have a reason, actually

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i wasn't confused about the "slip" part

i got that

it was the "too easy"

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eh, don't worry about it

im not worried
as i said
no reason


but
its my read on you thats getting a kick to the shins

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i can't believe i actually just went through your games to check

liar

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i can't believe i actually just went through your games to check

liar

Obviously you didn't go through

all

my games in 2 minutes, now did you?

no i found like four where you didnt and called it quits

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i actually didn't even find one where you did

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Parama is being way too aggressive to be scum I think? I don't know his playstyle

its aggressive as scum

actually, it might be more aggressive than this
but again
not sure yet

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its

he's**

I'm fairly certain that was autocorrect because I'm not that insensitive.

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oh

ok good to know!!

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I'd call Parama scum over TIP personally
Not_Mafia scum most likely from that group
and Bins for mine

currently think NotMaf/Lucky/Edo is the all-town group tho

i disagree so much
on all of those

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parama and n_m are townreads for me
edo is ok
i don't like how bella didn't like edo, seems "easy" but
pie is definitely 100% worth

scum > town

lucky > edo > n_m
ipie > bellaplot
tip > chambs > paramo

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worth

***worse

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because bella has made like 2 posts and I'm ok with my vote resting there as long as i scowl loudly about you

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oh and FUN FACT TIME

I've actually been scumreading RainbowCat this whole time and was just pushing on Bins for no reason just to be sure

but hey, now I have more to go on

unvote

ugh

ok

but

ok



paramo why does bad pie reads = town

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n_m ran one b4!!

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bins54 what was his alignment in the games you looked at? i think i’d probably only fake an “i promise i’m town and i never lie as scum” trust tell as scum, too. so there is that.

well, i didnt actually find a game where he said anything along those lines.
the games were both town and scum otherwise.
tbh it's more null even though he lied
still don't like him that much

bins97 yeah, apparently neither of us were feeling it yesterday. it’s not alignment indicative. please read on based on what we are doing not what we're not doing.

ugh

that's pretty much my point
i didn't unvote because i

didnt

get a read

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i'm slightly bothered because plot's catchup read is the kind of post i'd make as scum, a lot of it feels like fluff or retreading things other people have said, there's some points there but not many strong conclusions taken from the read
but maybe it's just me since hey at least he's posting content unlike some people

no I'm getting the "thats the post i used to make as scum esp when I'm in hydra" feel too

but i think i like most of the points brought up

i think I'm still more bothered by ipie voting me, not giving reason, then saying "oops i was voting bins to be sure and then bellaplot was actual scumread"
something about how those reads not being clear
really rubs me the wrong way

UNVOTE:



i was thinking about it

and actually not commenting on other groups is really, REALLY bad
because it gives scum a really easy opportunity not to make association tells with their partner

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i'm getting pretty good at realizing when someone is voting me for absolutely no reason
but god, i have never seen anyone get out of it by saying "oh my vote wasn't real"

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and actually not commenting on other groups is really, REALLY bad
because it gives scum a really easy opportunity not to make association tells with their partner

THAT SAID
i don't care how stubborn you are

GIVE READS ON OTHER GROUPS

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]:


yeah quotes have been fucky for a while now
also i hate the post tag on IOS (i think i only get the probably with my mac/iPod) because it only takes me to the page, never the post >_>

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man I feel like I'm in LYLO already

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i really need to get over being intimidated by either players I've never played with before or people i've been wrong about so many times i might cry again

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sorry I'm really sick

been in and out of doctors office all day


should be able to get to this tonight

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by the way pie's my strongest townread atm

how

and why


meta?

what am i missing?

like what did you get from his whole exchange between him and i
because it was like "what" to me
so how that = town is ya

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ok that's all i have time to say before i pass out

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I know. sorry. i'm a bit overextended but that's no excuse. Do you want to try interacting with me? I'm a bit out of my depth because the main scumhunting tools I rely on don't really work in this stage of the game or in a setup of this size but maybe talking will help.

tbh interaction is a lot better than the big posts


big posts always look

i don't know when i find myself as scum i tend to draw out my posts to make me sound really wordy. it's something marquis does a lot when he's scum and needs to explain himself and closely buddy buddy with someone hoping to get a twist on their reaction. i could be saying nothing at all but hey at least I'm making a massive post of geniuneness so you have to town read me. look how town i am. LOOK. explaining myself also takes up a lot of room and i really like to do that hahahah tbh parama in 999 mafia and marquis are pretty much the main reasons I'm so paranoid of "effort" because i realized i never EVER make big posts as town and its only when i want to convince people that i look towny that i start talking in this manner. like "talking to you" and a "listen to me" and words words words. this isn't meant to be like mocking but i just want to show you how easy it is to fake wanting to say a whole bunch of stuff.

you see what i mean?



i guess it's just something i do as scum a lot so it freaks me out

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N_M as well.

that guy only ever makes big posts as scum.

freaky deeky.
one of the main reasons I'm actually ok with him staying under my radar for now.

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hi bins

i actually don't keep reasons for my townreads in the back of my head because there's no point in elaborating on them tbh
i imagine it's becuase i liked his reaction test and his posts have generally good analysis, i can see where he's coming from w/ a town point of view but i don't necessarily agree with him on everything either (bad pie announcing a group as town, bad)

okay



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The only thing I can see that comes from a "town perspective" from pie is the unvote on me. Only because I think he could of kept pushing me so the fact he unvoted, looking back now, is pretty good.

The entire thing still feels choppy though dhashdsa

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TIP why is there a smudge on your avi

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ooooooooooh
I'm not sure I like this interaction


not the cigarette smoke one

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not sure if n_m wants to prove me wrong

or i'm just wrong

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i'm not gonna hammer anytime soon anyways cause i don't know yet

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i always have mafiascum open
so i'm rarely not online

constantly refreshing ego search ;-;


do you have a strong scumread on pie?

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tbh the only group I'm not confident in is parama/chamber/tip

because i feel like parama/chamber both have the ability to fool me
just because i always struggle interacting with people who seem more serious about the game & i haven't had experience playing w/ or talking to

and then tip is just the opposite
pretty much the type of player i'd jump too fast to scumread



edo/nm/lucky

i can confidently not-wishy-washy townread edo and n_m

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i find pie really "searchy" and awkward and like he gets a step ahead of himself only to find he doesn't have any proof to justify his actions
like when i said when he first voted me that it was obvious he didn't have any reason

then he unvoted, only to say there was no reason
then voted you guys, only to give reasons which looked like he was just looking for something to give reason to his vote which wasn't 100% true (like the no stances thing)


so parama's read on him is giving me a pause
that the reaction test was a "genuine town" thing to do and I'm reading that as the opposite
and then i feel like we're the only people who have actually commented on what pie has posted


pedit -- n_m's recent readslist reminds me of how he formatted his readslist in a recent scum game of his i was in
but i feel like thats a good thing, because he's so self aware of his meta
i don't know i don't think he's tried to trick me into his towniness yet so thats a good sign

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@Bins - thoughts on Pie? Your latest posts looked more like you were scum-leaning them.

i'm definitely scumleaning him over you

theres comfort in knowing that one of you has to be town

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MOD: Prod Lucky and Edo please.

activity in general is pretty sucky in this game right now ugh

weekend activity eh

but yah

V/LA until Tuesday night

but I might be able to post in the airport.

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Sorry I'm in China so I'm a little confused on what I meant by "tomorrow" and I lost half a day

Give me like less than 12 hours

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Jetlag is killing my brain.

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Guys, sorry, yeah I'm just making the transition and stuff and only have time to post in the morning and night but currently that's when I'm the most tired and only able to mobile post.

I feel like I'm getting the most genuine vibes from Pie and Bella compared to everyone else only because they're treating this differently than everyone else in the game.

But I still think I'd be more paranoid to keep Pie around.
Unvotes freak me out but I'm in no rush.

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And I agree, I don't think group 3 is sorted yet.

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GUYS I'M FINALLY AWAKE AND FREE SOMEONE TALK TO ME

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hi bins

how's things

also who's scum I guess

Things are pretty good. The headache that I have from the time adjustment isn't as bad in the morning. Don't know what I'm going to do today. I'm also terrified of planes — like absolutely TERRIFIED but I have to fly for more than 40+ hours this month.



ok I guess I can sum up my reads now that I have the time. (not that much time anymore)
I don't know how I feel about people jumping (this is in our group, so you and Bella) jumping on the thought that this is the all town group. I get flashbacks. People always want to jump on the "I'm party of this town group yay!" as scum. *cough* 999 *cough*.

I still don't want an N_M lynch. I mean, it would only help me get rid of paranoia. I would still like a Lucky lynch more, probably.
TIP is still my choice for Group 2. Even though I would like a flip out of Chamber/Parama, I don't think either of them is that scummy. TIP has been bugging me from the very start and I see no reason to flip on that read.

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*part, not party

woo party

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I was going to say I don't care if I'm lynched out of paranoia,

but I do care if I'm lynched out of being V/LA.


You probably don't want me to say that now but it was always on my mind.

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Also I do

slightly

care.

It's really easy to just say "I don't give a fuck about if I get lynched." as scum too.
But even if I do suspect us to be the all town group, I'm still never certain. And sort of wanna live for the fact I know I'm town, but I don't know you are. Right?

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I like Edos for town more than N_M now, probably. Yeah.

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Who I want to lynch:

>>>> Pie > Cat (This means these aren't really scum reads, the last person in the other groups are scummier than Pie)
Lucky > N_M >> Edos
TIP >>> Chamber > Parama

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I don't want to say that I want to kill Pie more than BellaPlot because his reads are so different than mine...

but that might be slightly a reason. Well, it's more than BellaPlot's reads make a lot more sense to me than his do.

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than

that

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Guys I actually don't know how long until DL

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Deadline is August 17th at 8am Central Standard Time.

August 17, 08:00 GMT-5 or in (expired on 2015-08-17 08:00:00)

Thank you!!

Sorry I'm on mobile so that was hard

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I don't wanna start talking about "which lynch will be more informative" but I might have to

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For group 3, to be clear

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I'm just not that happy with group 3.


But yeah , my access is going to be limited towards deadline

VOTE: ipie

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@Lucky
I feel like chamber is too obvious of a mislynch to actually be a mislynch. Maybe it's paranoia.

It's LYLO and it's WIFOM and I don't know if I want to touch that or I

really

want to touch that. Chamber needs to get reads out now on everyone, I haven't been able to read him so far and I think that's the same for everyone else. This is a really weird setup when it comes to NKA. "Who would you have killed?" is a dangerous question, but we might have to ask it. I think using the previous iteration of the game is a tricky subject as well and I don't know why you're touching that. That situation (I haven't read it) might have been very different.

So, yeah, who would have scum killed? I thought one of Bella and I was going to die because of all the "THIS GROUP IS ALL TOWN" talk. But yeah it's all WIFOM. icky still don't like talking about this.

I'm still unhappy about Group 3.

And I'm paranoid of BellaPlot, but actually a lot less paranoid as I thought.


Guys I'm really tired though I'm sorry if I'm incomprehensible.

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yeah, there's not really a reason to drag out this day any longer.

tho i wanna say a quick piece first. re: groups. in case i die tonight.

the scum are gonna want to steer discussion outside of their own group more towards the all-town group than the group their partner is in, so i think it would be helpful to figure out which group is generally the most talked about by people not in that group. not that it'd be 100% but i imagine that would make figuring out the all-town group simpler. i sort of noticed that both scum tended towards discussing the all-town group more than their partners' group in the one game i read, though it wasn't like a massive difference iirc, but. helpful to do, i'm sure, and that's why i'mma look harder at that big relational post rainbow made, or someone needs to look harder at it if i'm dead i'unno

This is a good point, still, but I actually think all groups were talked about quite a bit. Yeah, I need to look at this more after everyone checks in.

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You just quick voted in LYLO after tossing around other scumread sand expressing paranoia about Chamber...

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Bella, I wanna say you're scum if you start scumreading for that logic, because I thought you were going to die. But I think scum could of kept us alive knowing we'd turn on each other.

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I'm so tempted to vote lucky but I'm too tired to think about how safe that is

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I want to type up reasoning
There are safe votes in LYLO if you take your time

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I don't think we were the all town group. Chamber is too much of a setup for us to mislynch. That leaves Edo and one scum in the other group.

Getting strong gut scum read from Edo....

This is a hell a group of 5...

Alright Edo. After looking at day 1 again I'm willing to bite we are the town group.

VOTE: chamber

I just can't understand this progression at all


Ok if you were scum and Chamber was town
You killed Parama to drive people crazy about Chamber and easily drive the attention to Chamber
But you didn't wanna buy into your own setup WIFOM
but once you saw people (Edos) buying it you voted



Why would chamber put himself in that position :/
The worst part is why aren't you stopping and thinking about these types of reasons

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Cool. Bins and I aren't scum together.

BACK TO THE PT

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I see it as chamber-Bins team or Lucky-Unicat.

tbh I'm talking a lot about WIFOM but every kill would have had a lot of WIFOM

so Bella talking about why ____ (me and them) didn't die is ikkcoocodosllcldls
but I can understand the immediate reaction to the kill


yeah I think I'm most comfortable with lynching lucky, then chamber, then bellaplot, then Edos
more posting from chamber required

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Lucky's D1 play still bugs me >_<

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That's the first I'm hearing about this.

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ikkcoocodosllcldls

Dafuq is this?

Lucky, are you phone posting?

sorry bad habit?

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That's the first I'm hearing about this.

I didn't like your indecisiveness all day on your own group and it felt really non commital when you hammered. You also threw down doubt on my group in your hammer vote. Seemed scummy to do.

It was 20h until DL and I had townreads on both of them.

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I see it as chamber-Bins team or Lucky-Unicat.

tbh I'm talking a lot about WIFOM but every kill would have had a lot of WIFOM

so Bella talking about why ____ (me and them) didn't die is ikkcoocodosllcldls
but I can understand the immediate reaction to the kill


yeah I think I'm most comfortable with lynching lucky, then chamber, then bellaplot, then Edos
more posting from chamber required

I just had a thought about bins reads. Here she states that she suspects chamber more than rainbow. she indicated previously that she believed that she thought her group was all town when she hammered and has done little to prove that thought has changed. by her preferred reads, if Bins is town, that leaves her with the following two combinations ChamberxLucky and ChamberxEdo. I should not be first on her preferred lynch order. if she thinks the scum team is chamber and me, which her above post suggests since we are one two on the list, then chamber is the safer lynch (something she indicated she wants) since he doesn't have an alive partner. even if she strongly reads edos town, it's still a risk lynch me first since she could be wrong and lose the game if edos is just playing a good scum game. However if Bins is scum, and chamber is her partner, this behavior would make sense for a scum team going for the win today rather than risk tomorrow.

It's because I think your partner is likely Bella, Lucky. And my scumread on you is growing enough that it's making me paranoid of Bella.

And everyone jumping on Chamber is making me worried too, because he hasn't even done anything that scummy, it feels as if these reads are just coming out of thin air.

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If Chamber is getting jumped on mainly because of the NK that's freaking me out more.

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BellaPlot/Lucky makes a lot of sense, especially with BP's instistence D1 that n_m needed to die.

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Lucky's first three posts of the day still scream to me "LALALAALALALALAALALALAAAA DONT TAKE THE WIFOM... totally didn't set it up for Chamber too look scummy... oh... they took the WIFOM, that was easy... okay sweet! let's jump on the WIFOM."

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I actually have a decent townread on you, actually. And Cat's actions D1 re:N_M are freaking me out. Because they pretty much tunnelled their vision on N_M so they didn't need to comment as much on Lucky.

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^Can you quote this for me?

I'll do a bigger association post when I'm not on mobile. And not just BP/Lucky.

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he reason i'm leaning chamber is because i'm townleaning bins, and we know there is only one all town group.

tbh I didn't think about that from your POV because I'm not thinking hard enough about POVs and stuff and I really should be.


Uuuuuuugh.
This NK fucks everything up POV wise in my head.

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I think we should probably lynch Chamber, man I didn't even think about the fact that him being town would make Bellap scum.
Or did scum just want me to think this because they knew I townread Bellp QQ

But ughhhh Bella/Lucky is still freaking me out tho.
I THINK IM JUST GONNA WAIT FOR MY COMPUTER AND CHAMBER

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But lucky using "Because Chamber is in most of the scum pairings" logic on me is freaking me out still too

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i'm not gonna hammer anytime soon anyways cause i don't know yet

na, go ahead and hammer the rainbow. I think we are done with this day...

I don't know what to make of this post yet but I'm sure it's important in retrospect.

:/ this makes it look a lot worse for you

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but i'm otherwise thinking that chamber seems to be the obvious target, but then the wifom starts going in circles in my head about would chamber kill his groupmate to make us think he was being framed or is chamber actually being framed and it feels like a dead end.

pretty much my feels summed up tho

almost feels like the night kill has the power to completely manipulate who looks awful and that's messing with my head right now. i keep thinking, okay but, if chamber was scum with __ or ___ why would he kill parama? but if lucky was scum why wouldn't he have killed someone in group 1? is that because his partner is BP? so does lucky killing parama make a lot more sense or am i thinking about this too hard?

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last game, they probably killed in the all town group because the scum thought they could win 1v1 vs the other person left in their group and they get bonus suspicion thrown on the third person left over.

but would lucky win vs Edos in a 1v1? no, probably not, Edos has been generally more town read.

the motivation of killing in a scum group would be the opposite. well, mainly just WIFOM. and people getting paranoid of who they're in their group with.

ughh so yeah.
tbh im not even reading lucky anymore he's so scummy to me, my decision is going to be based on if my townread on bellaplot holds up. or whether i really can see them as scum with lucky. otherwise, chamber.

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Gonna be a slow few days for me, sorry, my grandfather's birthday and then travelling again!

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My aim rn is no longer Chamber v Lucky, it's whether or not I think Unicat is scum.

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I wait with baited breath...

for

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you still gotta do some convincing if you're town lucky, lmao

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bins continues to be very busy

my flight to beijing is tuesday so tomorrow is my last day with family

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if it's me being busy i will pout

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unless i misunderstand your post, then carry on.

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@bins, you are normally really, really paranoid of me. The lack of it is the thing that's niggling at me saying we are the town group. But I don't see the nk coming from you at all. Why don't I feel like you are par—

let me cut you off here

hehe


i am paranoid of you. i'm just not going dhadihsdhia (even tho I already have) because it's LYLO and i only really do the freak out thing when it's not LYLO anymore because it really fucks with my reads and how i perceive my own effort (i have no idea if that makes sense).

basically, i have no point to say i'm paranoid of you. i'm paranoid of everyone. like i said you're the person i need to figure out right now, idk if it's paranoia, i think i really do need to sort you out right now.

if this makes sense, basically, omg i'm so tired, but paranoia stems from me having thoughts about someone i shouldn't be even afraid of. that's paranoia. i shouldn't have those feelings. but now that it's lylo, it's not paranoia, it's genuine "oh they can actually be scum and if they are scum there's going to be something substantial in their ISO so don't freak out bins" .

this is also why my D1 is my worst day but that doesn't really apply here because this setup actually allowed me to force myself to try D1

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also, idk if this is just a thing, but my paranoia this game has mainly been on parama, which is weird

i am usually more paranoid of N_M than you bella, if you can believe that, haha

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OMG I FEEL SO ILLEGIBLE SORRY

i didn't have my very much needed nap today

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VOTE: lucky

LOCK EM
FLIP EM
PUT EM IN A STEW

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THE FLAVOUR AHA