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That's not "giving me a chance" to be town but giving me the chance to obey your desires.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Let's see here. I led the successful charge in ika. Lead the charge on Constantine. I was a counter to know scum that slipped. I stopped scum from doctor fishing and you still think I am scum? That's fake.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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In post 4234, PeregrineV wrote:In post 4057, Thor665 wrote:@Pere - I would also like to hear your other questions. So far you have revealed two questions and two answers - give me the other questions, you can hold out on the answers if you'd like. But I want/need to see those questions, because I now have some issues.
I have reveled 2 hypothetical questions.
I am 2shot, and my questions are not limited to yes or no, but they do have the limits I already discussed.
Given that, it's easy to imagine the 2 questions I asked.
The results of the first answer are given already, as a crumb in case of my untimely death.
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[quote="In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7032304#p7032304]post 2930[/url], PeregrineV"] [color=#000000]I'm [/color][color=#000040]motivated[/color] [color=#000000]to find [/color][color=#000040]scum[/color][color=#000000], but the[/color] [color=#000040]doctor[/color] [color=#000000]has been doing a shit job, and I think the "[/color][color=#000040]tracker[/color][color=#000000]" is also[/color] [color=#000040]scum[/color][color=#000000], and if he doesn't get lynched, he'll probably be [/color][color=#000040]roleblocked[/color] [color=#000000]anyway. It would be nice if I could just[/color] [color=#000040]tree stump[/color] [color=#000000]myself like that one game, (but I waited too long). Oh well.[/color][/quote]
It's all coloration, but might be seen when quoting me. I think Dave mentioned different color schemes affecting it also.
The roleblocker is scum.
The treestump is scum.
The tracker is scum.
The motivator is scum.
The doctor is scum.
Once ika actually flipped and my information could be trusted (by me), I asked the second most obvious question.
Suzune is town.
Psyche is conditional, and when that showed up, thereby clearing up why the scum tracker didn't try to counterclaim RIP/Psyche.
Sinsun is priest, which I crumbed at least twice in repsonses to him. Since he mentioned hammering, it wasn't hard to figure out what role he was as soon as I got my answer.
Thor is town
I am town
Gumball is town from the Narinian clear.
There is one more town PR.
It's not a doctor.
Town also enjoys 2 scoops ofVanillaice cream.
If Gumball is not the last PR, then the last PR can claim, and the rest can be safely lynched.
First things first, you added two shot to your claim. You act as if I'd forget InuYasha. Please sweetie.
Second, In your setup, scum has two methods of avoiding kills but town only has a two shot vig. What the fuck does any of that do for scum?
Third, There is no evidence of LG being a Barn check. That's HI and Thor.
Fourth, You are doing jumping jacks to keep the claimed tracker as town when your thing has him as scum.
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Oh and sixth, why didn't you ask what roles town has? That would give scum a death sentence in a massclaim if you were town.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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In post 4281, Thor665 wrote:In post 4278, Titus wrote:Lead the charge on Constantine.
*cough*
You did what in the where now?
I lead that charge - blatantly.
What are you trying to fake sell now? Because you were a townish read for me up until this load.
You were first on. No doubt about that. You could probably be described as a co leader, but I clearly pushed Constantine hard. You could argue survivalism sure, but I wanted constantine dead.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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In post 4282, Thor665 wrote:In post 4280, Titus wrote:Oh and sixth, why didn't you ask what roles town has? That would give scum a death sentence in a massclaim if you were town.
He openly claimed to have done this.
No he asked verification of Suzune's role in the post I quoted I believe. Can you show me your interpretation?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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@PerV, The Tracker is scum right?
VOTE: PerV
Mod: Can you tell us the track conditions?
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Sinsun, Klingon's logic is pretty good actually. You seemed more focused on clearing yourself an automatically sheeping whatever PerV says. You've been attempting to create dichotomies that aren't based in fact or logic. PerV and I (while being unaligned pairs) a town flip on me doesn't condemn PerV, nor does a townflip on PerV condemn me.
Second, PerV's claim has holes in it. First, PerV says the conditional tracker may be town, but in the same post says the "tracker is scum" with no quantifers. That leaves a lot of wiggle room. Next, his claim has scum with a full doctor and a treestump to avoid two killing deaths, one of which can be absorbed by a lightning rod possibly. That much protection doesn't make sense for scum as its way more than what town appears to have. Thor and I disagree on what PerV asked, but he can clarify it himself by highlighting what the last town PRs are (if he knows). Furthermore, PerV and Sinsun tried to push the doctor to claim being the doctor "because scum could catch them", yet when I refused to claim (proving or disproving my status as doctor), the doctor suddenly became a scum role. Given a scum doctor would give town less protective power than scum, I'm more inclined to believe a) the doctor is town or b) the doctor does not exist (wifom, not disavowing doctor possibilites but stating what is possible and what can be deduced).
Third, Klingon's point is logically legit. If you cannot be scum due to scum not being able to hammer being bad, then Klingon shouldn't be scum because she would logically lose the ability to vote at some point.
Fourth, you continue to go down the same argument pushing the same points despite me being a known counterwagon to scum.
If you are town, you should have reset some point last night. Yet, you are proceeding as if the Hermit flip never happened after a grave reluctance to even discuss Hermit yesterday.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Sinsun, Why aren't you considering the possibility that PerV's claim is totally fake?
You considered the possibility of him being totally truthful, then you consider him bussing, but not once do you consider it being fake and you never have. That reeks of buddying.
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@Perv, Did you deduce what roles were on the scumteam based on a flavor narrative or did the mod specifically tell you something along the lines of
[Scum have the following PR roles: roleblocker, motivator, etc...]
OR
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In post 4304, davesaz wrote:Further question for Pere: Did your oracle role have limited shots?
He's already claimed. 2 shot. One was asking what PR roles the scumteam had. The other was either (is there a town lightning rod [my interpretation]) or (what PR roles does town have [Thor's interpretation].ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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In post 4307, davesaz wrote:In post 4305, Titus wrote:In post 4304, davesaz wrote:Further question for Pere: Did your oracle role have limited shots?
He's already claimed. 2 shot. One was asking what PR roles the scumteam had. The other was either (is there a town lightning rod [my interpretation]) or (what PR roles does town have [Thor's interpretation].
I had a specific reason for asking. In the future please don't interfere.
Fair enough. It was already answered, otherwise I would not have interfered.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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@Thor, I was a CW to Augustine.
I don't define CWs in terms of chronology. That's a semantic and time debate. The fact is that scum had to choose between mislynching me or voting Augustine. That to me is a CW. If you need evidence of my definition, just look at any game where I analyze the vote counts. Speaking of that, I need to do my VCA here.
I saw PereV's plan as to lynch me and Hermit slip was unplanned. They couldn't figure out how to handle it, so they figured it best to try to have people ignore Hermit's slip and try to bolster PV's claim. Yet, the way that Sinsun opened gives me minute doubts about PereV being scum, just due to the way she's treating his claimed as confirmed true.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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@Thor,
Lynching PerV is better than Klingon. PerV confirmed Klingon as scum if he's town and gathers much more information about the setup if we are wrong. Lynching Klingon and being wrong just nets us PerV scum. Lynching PerV and getting scum shows that PerV was trying to buddy/sneak through a buddy. Lynching Klingon and getting scum doesn't confirm PerV's information as true, as you said he could be bussing.
None. Scum were already on my wagon PerV. Town wouldn't vote me, because of Hermit's slip. CW's are about the choices town and scum making, not chronology of specific votes.
I don't know what you mean by a "Three Stooges Team". I'm familiar with who the three stooges are, but I don't how that applies to mafia.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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In post 4318, Thor665 wrote:In post 4301, Titus wrote:Fourth, you continue to go down the same argument pushing the same points despite me being a known counterwagon to scum.
And since you're talking to Sinsum here and not throwing that in his face...
Pronoun usage makes this impossible to follow.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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That is the pronoun which confused me.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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@Suinsin, PereV never voted Hermit despite "knowing" the roleblocker was scum, and now you're giving him credit for bussing Hermit, unless I am misunderstanding your pronouns there. The other interpretation is that you're doubting me as scum, but I don't see that interpretation jiving with the rest of your post.
I don't have to scumread PerV if I scumread you unless PerV's answer follows Thor's interpretation. If it follows mine, PerV can be town while you are scum.
I also find it funny you harp on me calling you she and get frustrated about it, yet mistake my gender. It's also by my avatar which is a woman for the record.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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@Sinsun,
You don't have to be the first or last on a wagon to "lead" it. Timing is semantics. Leading is about the choices made and the wagons people want dead. Thor lead it but I pushed conversation around that wagon while you were hellbent on mislynching me and ignoring Hermit even existed. For liking Thor's posting, you're certainly ignoring his #4312.
Not sure what you claim makes zero sense. Pronouns again.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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@Thor,
In a lylo/mylo + 1 mislynched situation, which I believe is the situation we have here, the more information the cop has the more objectively they should be the lynch. If it's one guilty, toss up. Two results (assuming no GF), lean towards cop all things being considered. If the cop is game breaking, lynch the cop. Sometimes, the cop lies.
Without the mislynched to spare, the cop gives better ideas on what the teams are. Cop claims and votes early.
Here we have a setup, where if PV is right, his lynch settles the game. Klingon is confscum. Then we mass claim. If PV is scum, then we save ourselves a huge headache.
If we lynchKlingon, we don't know if PV was bussing or honest if scum. If Klingon flips town, we gave scum a free setup mislynched based on something full of swiss cheese holes and get PV scum.
TLDR: Klingon flip doesn't confirm anything about PV's setup claims.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Yes, if Pere is town and Oracle, I would support a massclaim. I just think he's full of shit.
I doubt Pere is town and fake claiming at this point. I would expect him to revoke or change it beyond mere shots. The changing from unlimited o two shots irks the fuck of of me.
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Scum can prepare fakeclaims. Doubly so if they can ask what our PRs are.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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PV didn't orchestrate any bus Thor. He was off ika and Hermit. #confusedShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Dave, if PV was deliberately bussing, he would have said.. Ooh roleblocker claim and voted it. He also would have made sure we knew in no uncertain terms that Hermit was scum. Instead, getting him to talk about Hermit was like pulling teeth. That's not consistent with a bus.
As for lynching PV, I think he's scum (but not as likely as Sinsun). If PV is telling the truth, lynching him gets us a confscum, and a mass claim breaking strategy similar to Playing With Elements. Provided there is one PR remaining and two vts, scum create two definite pools based on their fake claim. I would presume Klingon wouldn't bother with a fakeclaim.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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@Thor, These VCs need work. I just looked and I didn't see PV on Hermit. Still that was a forced hand vote at best. The Hermit slip did not appear planned, nor was it advantageous. If it was planed, as you are proposing, then it only would have happened if they though scum was going to be lynched anyway. If they thought I was going to be a mislynched, there is zero reason for a coordinated slip.
I am explaining his crumb. He's setting up a narrative. I do this all the time as scum. If you know your fake claim is X, then you can crumb accordingly.
PereV gives more information if I am wrong, Sinsun got a vote, Klingon's case was at least valid, and his behavior is scummier. All things being equal, I would vote Pere.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Yet all things are not equal.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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@Thor, the rb thing is precisely what I was talking about when I said the slip.
Also, there's exit hatches. Crumb, set it up. If he townreads Hermit, you'd bet your ass we would be hearing about the distinction between 2 shot roleblocker and roleblocker.
I am not sure how I am being wispy or ghostish at all. I think this is another case of town (you) not wanting to follow the better EV play because it disagrees with your worldview. I just finished the same situation in Dating game. Persivul used the same rationale you did here despite me being clear open and honest about the better play.
Lynching PV guarantees us a scum lynch within two days. So if you're playing based on EV, that's where your vote should go. Klingon gets nothing.
I meant Sinsun's behavior was scummier in my last post. Misplaced modifier.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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@Thor, You mean other than the absolute tunnel on my slot, melodrama, her "withholding" the use of her priest ability on me, her complaint about her team not having any mislynched plus the tunnel on me, her wking of Pere.
I do agree that both PV and Kligon are unlikely to be town. Yet, lynching Klingon and she flips scum doesn't confirm Pere as telling the truth. He could be bussing Klingon. That would allow Pere to slip through the cracks because he told us the role of his scumbuddies. We would still have the "was Pere bussing debate". As a practical matter, a changing number of shots is a policy scumread to me since InuYasha. You pulled the same stunt in Aero's game and I immediate ly voted you. If Pere is town, scum are unlikely to shoot Pere because it confirms Pere as telling the truth.
If deciding between Pere and Klingon, I would vote PereV.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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@Sinsun, Unless you coordinated with Thor, I find it highly unlikely that you were involved in any sort of trap.
Second, I have already explained that lynching PV nets us scum or a bunch of information and a scum to lynch the following day.
Third, a doctor could have picked Suinsun or Thor.
I have been voting PV or Sinsun whichever is larger.
Fourth, if PV is scum, outright tunnelling PV = doctor claim = scum can then pick off the rest of the town.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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@Sinsun, Read my last fucking post. I am not going in circles with you.
PerV lynch creates a Playing with Elements breaking scenario. It will tell me a lot if Daveaz refuses to vote PerV.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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@Sinsun, Confirming PV as honest gets you the massclaim, which you pushed for, a Klingon lynch, which you wanted, and the ability to setup break based on a game where I have done that.
You made that same let's just lynch who I want because I am town reading a bunch of people yesterday. That would have resulted in a dead town Titus. Why should I follow you when lynching PV is game breaking regardless of his alignment?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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In post 4361, PeregrineV wrote:In post 4358, Titus wrote:@Sinsun, Read my last fucking post. I am not going in circles with you.
PerV lynch creates a Playing with Elements breaking scenario. It will tell me a lot if Daveaz refuses to vote PerV.
Hey Titus, remember when you were town and logical?
In post 2074, Titus wrote:In post 2071, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:I don't get how I am confirmed town. You guys throw that word around to much. It is pretty obvious when you are confirmed or not.
The dead doctor claimed they healed you N1 and there's a missing kill from N1. You're the closest thing to a confirmed townie we can have at this point for that reason.
And that game was much more complex.....
I was logical in Dating game. We needed a guaranteed scum flip there. I got it.
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Sorry missed that.
All of those things together paint a picture of scum who is trying to force a narrative rather than scumhunt.
Sinsun said she couldn't be scum because scum couldn't have a role that lacked hammer power. Yet, she thinks Klingon, a role that can remove its own vote power, cannot be town. That doesn't make sense.
Sinsun has been pushing an agenda that scum only have so many mislynches left. It seems to reflect more of her mindset that she only has so many players she can safely push on.
Town Whiteknight when we have a reason to believe the player is town. Yet, I don't see that investigation and then reaching a conclusion from Sinsun.
I disagree on the order, which I have said a lot. In terms of long term game strategy, Pere is the better flip.
I do consider your action, the actions by Y n B in InuYasha, and your actions in the game we referenced as the same. YnB technically supplemented after implying it was full shot for days. Here, PV waits forever to say oh by the way I'm two shot.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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PerV an answer to how the mod told you the scum roles would also be beneficial please.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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@Thor,
First paragraph, agree to disagree. I think part of that may be fueled by me knowing I'm town for now.
Except you haven't. Klingon lynch =/= PerV as town, even if she is scum. I'm not townreading Klingon. The Klingon push is the same recycled push on me for the same ZOMG so many town reasons. I don't see any reason to lynch Klingon other than to prove the theory. Yet, if that's why we're lynching PerV is a better lynch.
I wouldn't have slowrolled the information. We had a huge debate about massclaim. No reveal. If his goal was to catch scum, then he'd be much better of stating I know all the roles in the game. We are massclaiming. Scum would be just as "caught" either way. They claim their real role, then they are busted. By pretending to not know anything and pushing for massclaim to find the doctor, it looks disingenous, like he's explaining why he was caught rolefishing for the doctor. The scum know all the scum roles, it's the nature of being scum. If massclaim didn't happen (as it shouldn't because only people who know Pere's town and have Pere's info should push for massclaim), then he should be aware that resistance to his plan is townie. I would have sat on the information until I had a roleblocker or a tracker claim and voted it, as PereV was in no danger of death.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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In post 4378, Thor665 wrote:@Titus;
For my stance.
I am not of a mind to lynch Pere today.
Nor Sinsum.
I am also against lynching Suzune, Gumball, and Dave.
To my mind they are currently, if not confirmed, not viable lynch options.
So, that leaves Nero, Riabi, Klingon, and you.
Of that grouping I find Klingon by a solid margin the most suspect.
Probably you are next, with the other two lingering in the back edge.
So talk to me about lynched from that lynch pool - since you seem aware that I am basically confirmed town (or relatively close to it) as both a Cop and Pere have tried to protect me and probably at least one of them has PR info on that, not to mention my role, and my play.
So talk to me from that set - since you'll rule yourself out it gives you 3 people to find 1-2 partners to Sinsum and Pere, yeah?
Great, you want to lynch town. *eyeroll* I don't want a me, Klingon, Riabli, you, Suzune or Dave lynch.\
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@Thor, I'm looking at the long term road, not short term. If this was a lylo decision and those were my options, I'm not sure what I would do.
PerV hasn't handed us a single scum lynch. Hermit imploded. Plus, all scum need is one player left alive at the end.
Your inability to think long term is frankly startling but not alignment indicative as Persivul did the same thing in Mafia Dating Game. I was chastised for wanting the guaranteed scum flip. Here, I want the game breaking flip. If PerV does flip town (which I doubt he will), then we lynch Klingon and massclaim.
Occam's Razor says you get the facts and not assumptions. The assumptions PereV wants are convinent, but they are assumptions, just like Walking Dead.
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In post 4386, Thor665 wrote:In post 4382, davesaz wrote:In post 4234, PeregrineV wrote:
There is one more town PR.
It's not a doctor.
Town also enjoys 2 scoops ofVanillaice cream.
If Gumball is not the last PR, then the last PR can claim, and the rest can be safely lynched.
If there is a town doctor then this is a lie and PV is scum.
If no town doctor, then the scum doc saved Suzune (perhaps inadvertently) and PV is telling the truth. If he's telling the truth and is scum then it's a really ballsy truth, to have outed multiple scum roles. So I think town is much more likely.
Pedit: Thor, I have a yes/no question for you as well. Do you have a role with actions?
@Dave - I see no value in trying to rob me of that info, Pere has called me town, I'd focus on the Titus, Riabi, Nero question if I was you, myself.
@Titus - also wanted to quote this. Like, if we had a town Doc, they would know Pere was scum at this point. And they sat back and let a lynch he helped push and voted on go through on a claimed town PR. That was really terrible play for theory Doc.
How about we lynch Klingon, and if a town Doc claims or dies anytime in the near future then we can debate lynching Pere?
@Thor, you see that you don't like Dave fishing you for info. Nor do I. Yet, PerV's claim (gee all the PRs that have claimed are town) seems structured to get the last PR to claim and get information out that way. Claiming is bad. Let's not help scum anymore than we already have.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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In post 4389, Thor665 wrote:In post 4387, Titus wrote:Occam's Razor says you get the facts and not assumptions. The assumptions PereV wants are convinent, but they are assumptions, just like Walking Dead.
Ockham's razor is about assessing assumptions.
Yours require vastly more contrivance than mine, and are thus ruled less likely.
Then you sit around with a paranoid theory and act like I'm playing badly because I don't want to test it first over the more likely reality with a razor thin debate as to why it would even be better in any case.
No. Mine requires no assumptions.
Zero posts. PV claims if he's town, here's the setup. Klingon claims Town Treestump. (Here's a hint, that should be enough to discuss lynching Pere without a doctor claiming).
Just do a punnet. Take out the prior lynches (which PV never really pushed, even after Constantine slipped, he still wanted me lynched).ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Motivations are not a part. Just break the game. To do that, it's lynching PV not Klingon.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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@Thor, Day 1 I subbed into a boned scum slot. The only people I fingered as scum were my buddies. One buddy was lynched the next day, the other coasted to victory after my death. I'm fully open to PV doing the same stunt when things get to be more difficult for the scumteam at this point. If I am capable of it, so is scum.
I can't give a specific concrete theory regarding which players are scum beyond Suinsun and PereV are likely buddies but Suinsun leaves me open that she's a godfather type scum. *shrug* If we're so trusting of PV, PV should out what the final town PR is. If no one is that role, we lynch PV.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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@DaveAZ, yes I don't talk about ongoing.
A punnet square is where you take all four possibilities and line them into a chart. I'm using two charts because I don't get how to do vertical labeling.. For instance a punnet for PV Klingon looks like this FMPOV.
Lynch PV
PV Town Klingon town Klingon scum Impossible unless PV is lying town, which is revealed by his flip We get a scum flip tomorrow and confirm PV's setup is true
PV Scum Klingon town Klingon scum We mislynch KT, confirm PV as full of shit. PV looks like he's bussing but sneaks past us.
Lynch Klingon
Klingon Town PV town PV scum Impossible unless PV is lying town We get a scum flip tomorrow and confirm PV's setup is bullshit
Klingon Scum PV town Klingon scum We get a scumflip, PV's setup is unknown to be true Could be dual bus. ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Just like I was sure scum yesterday right and we actually lynched scum over your objection. The more you say that, the less I want to vote Klingon.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Drunk Titus is back... Weeeeeeeeeeeeee
Seriously though Suinsuin, there's plenty of obvtown reads and you're bitching about a doc picking the wrong one?
PV, that's the problem. I'm worried that you're bussing your scumbuddies to be conftown in lylo.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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That or fabricating in a manner unlikely to be caught but hey...
let's just dismiss Titus as paranoid #drunkShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I'm drunk but is this you claiming scum Klingon?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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So PV's alignment according to you is...
Your whole read list is...ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Ok so Klingon is confirmed mafia. So we confirmed that PerV gave a few accurate flips. Boo hoo.
My thoughts though, why would Klingon knowingly activate her treestump knowing that confirms her as mafia to the group? The only reason to do that is to make PerV look good FMPoV. Scum Klingon can just be lynched, caused more disruption in the town and die.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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@Sinsun, that's my point. Klingon's not a total newbie. She would have known that stumping would have confirmed herself as scum, so why would she? Mafia is a game of information, and whatever she wanted to hide or reveal was worth an extra mislynch to the town.
To me, that indicates PerV is scum and Klingon's wanting things out of the way to mislynch me. Given that we have two mislynches, the proper play right now is to have PV out what the final PR is in his next post. Then, we do PR and VT massclaim. In the event I am wrong and PV is town, a PR and VT massclaim should narrow down how many town and scum are in a given pool. PV said there are two VTs and one PR left outstanding in a group of four. If PV is accurate, this forces scum to have to craft a narrative for the PR without actually knowing who they are counterclaiming. It also greatly limits daychat's effectiveness in disrupting claims.
The PRs then fullclaim and compare their answers with what PV claims, starting with the scummiest PR claimers if there's two.
Then, we lynch PV to confirm or deny whether his results are accurate. We have the mislynch to spare and a scumteam with half a brain wouldn't shoot PV.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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@NC, the track conditions would matter in reviewing to see if he left crumbs. *shrug*
@Sinsun, I don't trust your word for shit. I'm going to actually engage people who engage me back like Suzune and Thor.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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@Suinsun, why make that paragraph about what you'd do if I was town and wanting me to accept things as true? It sure seems you care what I think.
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I am not sure, but I am leaning towards it. The odds of two doc saves a minimal at best but I just don't like the thought of handing scum free reign on who they kill. Yet with this many people getting two doc saves is difficult.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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@Thor, I'm not even sure what your method is.
A doctor is the most powerful town role and someone who I usually feel should be protected at all costs. Selling a doctor up the river in exchange for one scum isn't exactly something I want to do lightly. I'm starting to think no one is going to claim doctor though anyway so :SShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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@Thor,
We only lynched ika due to my push (I know you disagree) and Constantine because he had an undeniable slip IMO.
We disagree on theory, and you're pretty much the only player I listen to on disagreements.
If no one claims doctor, a doctor might just not exist, thus making PereV scum.
But fine, let's do it. Doc claim. It's not me.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Grandma, you should totally try to persuade me of things. That's part of the fun as outed scum. Having everyone know you're scum and still fucking with minds.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Read 4459 again. I literally just claimed not doctor.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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In post 4469, LittleGumball wrote:In post 4459, Titus wrote:If no one claims doctor, a doctor might just not exist, thus making PereV scum.
This statement is just wrong. A town doctor not existing does not mean that Pere must be scum. A town doctor that DOES exist would make him scum.
I was saying no doctor existing makes PerV scum because his theory requires a scum doctor.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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In post 4471, davesaz wrote:No doctor would only be possible if the lightning rod is bulletproof, or no kills were submitted.
Or the lightning rod is scum, which I am finding increasingly unlikely but it's still possible.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Thor, no.
If PV is town, Suinsun an still be scum. PV hasn't outed the last town role. Plus godfather.
Suinsin hasn't done anything protown so I would believe Godfather Priest, as awkward as it may seem before Suinsun town.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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