Mini 1697 - a Re-balanced Game of Mafia - GAME OVER

Netherspite · Mon Aug 24, 2015 8:23 pm

In post 1302, All Alone wrote:
In post 1283, Netherspite wrote:He says that his wagon looks scum driven and thus it's on town.
He's trying to turn it upside down in that passage because initially he said that it was 3 wagons on townies (him included) that me and
Alchemist21
joined. Now he's attempting to cover his scumslip by saying the reverse: that the wagons were scum-driven and that's why
davesaz
is town.
We have a classic A=>B=>A logical fallacy here: "the God exists because that's what Bible says, and the Bible says the truth because it's the word of God".

Where is the A=>B=>A? Ankamius said "The wagons look like scum, therefore they're town. Not the other way around like you're trying to spin it." in that post, and I see nothing in his ISO that contradicts that.

Gosh, why is it so hard for people to see the obvious?

He is accusing us with Alchemist for participating in wagons that are scum-driven because they're on town.
Now he's trying to put it like he's considering these guys town because wagons are scum-driven.
You can't claim both things, because it becomes A => B => A.

Netherspite · Tue Aug 25, 2015 12:55 am

In post 1248, Ankamius wrote:
Yeah, and I guess it's just coincidence that you two were the very first two votes of the Day 2 Dominator wagon, the Day 3 davesaz wagon, and now my wagon, right?

This post implies 'look, these three wagons are town, thus I'm town and they are scum'.

Netherspite · Tue Aug 25, 2015 3:40 am

So he calls them lead by the scum and accuses us as scum because we led it?
If you don't see A=>B=>A here I don't know what to say.

Netherspite · Tue Aug 25, 2015 4:50 am

Ank ain't town.

Netherspite · Tue Aug 25, 2015 5:20 am

I tend to townread

Thesp

like you do and I know my alignment so all of this does not make any sense if

Ankamius

is town.
I wouldn't rule out

All Alone

being scum together with

pistachi0n

though.
Also I still don't believe

Ankamius

would genuinely using logical fallacies and turning things upside down like he did.
+

RadiantCowbells

&

All Alone

defense of

Ankamius

looked really weird. I would call them a scumteam if I believed scum could be that obvious.

Netherspite · Tue Aug 25, 2015 5:41 am

What's a scum-driven wagon? How do you distinguish one from normal wagon?
For me it's when you see scummy persons leading the wagon.
Thus it's stupid to base conclusion that someone is scum on the observation that the wagon is scum-driven. You're already considering them scummy for other reasons if you call the wagon scum-driven.
That's where I see A=>B=>A logical fallacy.

Netherspite · Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:13 am

Well okay may be you're right.
However, I wouldn't call the wagons in question not making sense or being on an easy target.

Netherspite · Tue Aug 25, 2015 7:36 am

In post 1320, Alchemist21 wrote:That depends on your POV though. Ank may see it differently.

You made me unsure in my vote on him now.
I'm confused. Him being town however does not fit with any other theory except either

RadiantCowbells

being scum or

All Alone

+

pistachi0n

being scum together.

Netherspite · Wed Aug 26, 2015 4:36 am

UNVOTE: Ankamius
I don't like my vote here anymore.

Netherspite · Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:56 am

In post 1338, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Look at how he instantly jumps off of Ank in 1332 once public sentiment turned against it. He doesn't have his own reads, he's just following derptown onto bad wagons. Lynch it.

Like, look at his reads in 1315 and 1321. Everything he's saying is about weird associative tells that aren't explained and are clearly just thrown out in a hat to justify his opportunistic vote switches.

I jumped off

Ankamius

because I'm not sure in him being scum anymore.
His latest posts look genuine +

Alchemist21

convinced me.

#1315 and #1321 should be read in conjunction with

Alchemist21

posts. It was my discussion with him and I was discussing his assumptions and associative tells analysis.

You seem to be not really reading the game...

Netherspite · Wed Aug 26, 2015 12:14 pm

In post 1345, RadiantCowbells wrote:
That's why she and Nether are scum together.

Just lol.
You seem to be not making sense literally 90% of the game.
If it is your scum tactic it works fine.

Netherspite · Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:04 pm

@RadiantCowbells

You didn't start to make any sense since my unvote on

Ankamius

so the point stays.
This is not neccessarily scummy, may be it's just dumb town.

@Ankamius

SCUM
davesaz
All Alone
RadiantCowbells
pistachi0n
Ankamius
Thesp
Alchemist21
St Constantine
TOWN

Netherspite · Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:44 pm

In post 1360, RadiantCowbells wrote:Davesaz, why not Netherspite?

Note that as soon as crowd mentality went in favour of a lynch on you, you became his #1 scumread.

Crowd mentality also has

Thesp

and

Alchemist21

as scummy. Why didn't I put them as scum?

Also, all top 3 of my scumlist are equally scummy for me but not scummy enough to place my vote yet.
I still have to decide who of them to vote.

Netherspite · Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:24 pm

It's actually you who is misrepping here.
Crowd has not even slightly stronger suspicion towards

davesaz

than to

Thesp

yet you're accusing me for choosing him to put on the top of my scumlist.
Also, I am voting those who I am suspecting and I don't care whether they're being suspected by the crowd or not. When I voted

Ankamius

he was not even close to being a leading wagon. Same applies to

eventi

.

Anyway, I got it. Whatever I say you will turn it up as scummy. So yes, why even fucking try explaining something to you if you already made a decision that you want to mislynch me today.

Netherspite · Fri Aug 28, 2015 2:59 am

In post 1367, Alchemist21 wrote:Well we have to do something. We only have 1 day left. I still prefer Dave but could switch to pistachion if necessary.

@Netherspite, you didn't answer my question.

I did.
It was in my answer to

RadiantCowbells

.
I equally consider top 3 in my list scummy.
I still didn't decide who to vote of them.

Netherspite · Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:05 pm

@Ankamius

There were enough lurkers. I'd rather expect one scum to be on each wagon and one to be off wagons. Or two scum to be off wagons.
I'll check who was on which wagons.

Netherspite · Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:11 pm

Actually only two non confirmed town off both of our wagons are alchemist and thesp.
I town read both of them. But I really really doubt all of the scum were on two competing town wagons.
So I need to decide which of those two town reads is wrong. That's a tough decision.

Netherspite · Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:12 pm

Or I was wrong about ankamius and he's scum.
Need to think.

Netherspite · Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:28 pm

In post 1382, Alchemist21 wrote:
You didn't say why you actually suspect Dave.

I listed the reasons I suspect him at the beginning of the Day 3...

Netherspite · Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:44 pm

I came to the conclusion that regardless of the

Ankamius

' alignment, at least one scum was off both wagons.
I don't honestly believe that

Thesp

is scum. Can't imagine the world where he is scum.
So basically I'm forced to believe that

Alchemist21

is scum.
I was townreading him the whole game but... From those games I played I learned that I'm may be bad at finding scum but I'm unexpectedly good at predicting where was scum (at what wagons) at key votecounts.
Here is your best bet for today: vote

Alchemist21

.
VOTE: Alchemist21

Since I'm becoming a consensus lynch for today and I'm going to turn

Alchemist21

against me now, I'll write more thoughts about the scumteam now for you to use tomorrow in few minutes.

Netherspite · Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:07 pm

I've analyzed other votecounts.

I am calling out the scumteam. Bolding this to link that post in "I told you!" post after the game.
Alchemist21, RadiantCowbells, (All Alone / pistachi0n)

Netherspite · Sat Aug 29, 2015 5:04 am

@Town

Please just trust me, lynch

Alchemist21

tomorrow. And after you'll see that I'm right proceed with others.

Btw, since I'm at L-1, the claim. I'm VT.

Netherspite · Sat Aug 29, 2015 6:53 am

I'm still VT.
Lynch

Alchemist21

tomorrow, then

All Alone

, then

RadiantCowbells

/

pistachi0n

.
We still can win this game.
Town, please do not reduce my 84% winrate ><

Netherspite · Sat Aug 29, 2015 8:33 am

So silent in twilight.
Town doesn't seem to be interested in solving this game...

Netherspite · Tue Sep 08, 2015 9:42 pm

So the scumteam was? RC+AA+pistachi0n?
AA was so obvious lynch how could we let him live that long?

Once again I'm ignoring the obvious lynch options and being wrong because of that.
Good bye my 86% winrate ><

Netherspite · Wed Sep 09, 2015 3:48 am

In post 1583, davesaz wrote:Turns out my gut reads were right, but I kept ignoring that

Totally agree.
I had gut scumreads on AA & RC for a long time but ignored them because that would be too obvious.

Netherspite · Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:34 am

In post 1590, Thesp wrote:I did forget to mention - thanks so much, BBMolla, for taking over the game and running it to completion. It's much appreciated!

^ This.