Mini 1727: Legends of the Hidden Temple II - Game Over!

[Firebringer]

The Orange Iguanas will win this.

You dirty snakes got nothing on us.

[Firebringer]

Can we have a banner Shiro?

PLS!!!

[Firebringer]

Vedith and Firebringer, the Orange Iguanas!!!!

[Firebringer]

First

second dammit fire

THIRD GDI SHIRO

dammit I give up with this.

Now I must sleep but first

VOTE: Salamence pre-emptively, knowing that he will use Gambler's Fallacy at some point in this game.

I love the gamblers fallacy! It always fails

[Firebringer]

I must now go work on the Banner for the Orange Iguanas

[Firebringer]

The Ultimate Team:


My level of photoshop skills lol.

[Firebringer]

Fire, honest question.

Do you trust vedith?

DONT TRY TO BREAK UP THE DREAM TEAM!

We will do that later, when we scum read each other lol

[Firebringer]

God I already hate Suzie.

P-edit: Fire I have an Issue

Go on...

[Firebringer]

Hey, now no hard feelings. One day enemies, the next day allies?

Or yesterday enemies is todays enemies as well!

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Salamance

You misspelled that chief.

Hey, Elbirn. We continuing the tradition of always being on opposite teams?

[Firebringer]

Firebringer are you town?

Maybe?

[Firebringer]

Firebringer will obviously be the first to challenge a team.

[Firebringer]

Challenge: Red Jaguars

Firebringer goes with the strategy of YOLO.
It is a flawless strategy.

[Firebringer]

Red is always mafia, I learned this from playing sc2mafia.

[Firebringer]

Why the hell was I talking in third person, lol thats odd.

[Firebringer]

I am a Nati. FOREVER!

[Firebringer]

I always assume my partner is scum.

However, I have not seen enough of them yet to make a fair reading. Scum or not, I need to trust them long enough to figure out everyone else. You cross your partner last.

Jeez, why would anyone ever team with you?
Such a buzzkill.
No camaraderie.

[Firebringer]

Fire, who are you voting for?

Vedith, Molla, or VP.

I want to see VP contribute, I think I might be able to read him better.
He is prolly where I am going to start my vote.

I don't think I am going to vote Vedith at all today, so don't ask me too.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: VysePresident

[Firebringer]

We will be the first through the Hidden Temple!

[Firebringer]

So I know Titus is going to speedlynch Fire so Im not having any part of it.

Im not going to stop her either

Thats fair.

[Firebringer]

Why vote Vyse. They have not even posted yet?

This is the RVS stage, we just started the real game!

[Firebringer]

I am starting to think Suzune is being cautious like our last scum game.
I can kinda see where Sala is getting this read.

[Firebringer]

my Notty senses are pinging me o. shiro

?????


Vedith you are doing some hardcore buddying there with FB huh?

Me and Vedith are buddies, no one can break us apart!

[Firebringer]

Fire if youre town you vote Vedith now.

Otherwise you are dead

I am fine with being dead as long as Vedith carries the Orange Iguanas to victory.

[Firebringer]

I read my role pm about that Sala. I am not double crossing my ally on hysteria that has no reason to exist yet.
I will look through Vedith later if I have nothing better.

Right now, he is Town and thats fricking final.

[Firebringer]

lol, he would try to vote Elbirn for this

[Firebringer]

Not sure why issueing a challenge early means they should be town read, reverse psychology man its everywhere.

You really think that wasn't a town YOLO and it was some reverse psychology ,aster plan to make us think that scum wouldnt issue a challenge like that and thus townreading him ?

I mean, I probably would do it as scum for the lolz too. Just saying.

[Firebringer]

I will tell you this right now, if me and vedith both survive this.

I am challenging a team again right after.
I am leaning on challenging the Green Monkeys right now.

[Firebringer]

Imma get drunk. Lets see how this goes.

Hell yeah, get in the spirit.

[Firebringer]

I will consider how well this lynch goes, then process it.
I am open to changing my mind, though I have plans.

Gotta be somewhat adaptable.

[Firebringer]

What reads do you have?

Right now I have small scum lean on Suzune, I don't like how calm she is right now. Other game she was scum and was more cautious attitude, (some will say that should mean I should be town leaning) except she even laid back in scumhunting more after my challenge started.
Elbirn-Unsure, the dude and me have yet to be on the same team in games, not going to say that makes him scum but his vote on me is terribad.

Town-Vedith, nobody question that.
Salamence, cause he is aggressive sala as usual for sala. Last game I played with sala where he was scum he was much more calm in the first few days didn't become more aggressive till people were pushing him.

Yeah, thats about it for now.

[Firebringer]

And yet. You set to lynch two people that arent here.

Of course. I wanted to reaction test how everyone would react to that challenge.

Not only that, but focus on players who weren't here.
Which is hardly ever done because players love to focus on the active players.

[Firebringer]

This game is too fast atm and I'm at work so Ima do that.

I expect more votes on fire by the time I come back because holy fuck

Always a ball playing with you Elbirn.

[Firebringer]

Going into lurker mode so that players can catch up.

[Firebringer]

Now that shes gone.

Fire lets go drinking

I am on my fourth, so make that fifth round.

First one on me.

I dont think its time yet for titus. Maybe in an hour or two she can join is

Too bad for her.

Yo Fire.

You should have let us policy lynch Prolasped.

I don't like PL, you can always challenge him tomorrow if I am not around and you get to it before I do.

[Firebringer]

Are we already freaking challenged?

The mod hadn't sent me the bloody link.

That is definitely one way to react to being in the lynch pool.

How you doing Vyse?

[Firebringer]

You love me Vyse!
<3

[Firebringer]

So I wake up and there's already been a challenge

and

a use of Gambler's Fallacy.

Disappointed.

Now, I'll make sure to give PB kicks up the arse in Blue Barracudas thread so he doesn't lurk.

However, the big question is this: is Firebringer reckless town, or scum hiding in Refuge in Audacity?

Say he's scum, and he knows who else is scum. Who's to say he didn't make that challenge so that he's the only scum in the four? That gives him pretty good odds for scum not being lynched, as well as being town read for recklessness.

Needless to say, I'm really wary.

Its me being reckless and using Refuge In Audacity (BTW Thats one of my fav tv tropes)

Would it help if I say, I am town?
Cause, I am not going to say that lol. I am so silly.

[Firebringer]

I am impulsive. What can I say Elbirn?

I am more conservative as scum, remember my games as scum?

[Firebringer]

Works for me either way lol.

[Firebringer]

I will not lie, that is a good point.

[Firebringer]

Are there any other good points to be aware of?

Well Davsto made all the best ones, Elbirn is just basically repeating them.

You see any that I don't?

I think he is blatantly false about "Zero sense to do it as town"
I mean, why wouldn't a town want control of who is challenged and not?
If scum picked wouldn't they be likely to pick a group that doesn't have a lot of scum?

I took that out of the equation. Scum didn't chose this Challenge, town did.

[Firebringer]

@FB, And we know that how?

If we did challenges after wagons formed organically, most likely everyone would think there was at least some town motivation.

Right now, you've appointed yourself a dictator that nobody wants.

You can always lynch me so that proves that this was a town chosen challenge.

I have appointed myself dictator, don't like it? Lynch me.

[Firebringer]

Read my wagon, read how players reacted to being safe.
Read into everyones reads.

I am not promoting apathy, I am trying to figure this game out.

[Firebringer]

Lets look at some math because everyone enjoys math (looking at you davsto)

For this lets make 2 assumptions:
1) I am town
2) Vedith is also town.

Okay so that leaves 10 players left of unknown alignments. We know 4 scum out of that so theres 4/10. 40% chance of picking a scum player randomly. However you pick a pair not just one pair.

Lets see:
What are chances that a pair is completely town? 33% (6/10 * 5/9)
One is town other is scum? 53% (6/10*4/9 + 4/10*6/9)
Both are scum? 13% (4/10*3/9)

So roughly 67% chance I got us scum in this group.

[Firebringer]

I await the shitstorm to come.

[Firebringer]

That is absolutely terrible maths, and I feel you should be lynched just for that.

lol Policy Lynch based on math.

[Firebringer]

I am not trying to ruin peoples games, I just wanted to kick this game into gear.
I saw no reason to wait for pages upon pages of nothing happening, and then allow someone who I wasn't sure was town start a challenge.

[Firebringer]

Davsto, I was pretty sure i twas a joke.
I have hard time taking you serious with that avatar anyways.

[Firebringer]

I am off to bed. Later.

Gnight Titus.

[Firebringer]

FB You are being inconsistent with your thoughts and I don't like that

First you say that you did it on impulse

Then you say you did it to kickstart the game

Then you say that you actually did it so you can make certain that the challenge is issued by town even if that meant instilling your will on who is scum

and then you say that it was actually on impulse again.

how is me saying I did it on impulse and that I had a plan not consistent?

You realize you can plan and act at same time right? Its thinking on your feet Shiro!
It is my specialty.

All those reasons are true: Kickstart the game, make sure town decided the challenge, and impulse.

[Firebringer]

my partner is a decent player so I'm willing to look at what he says

FB is honestly terrible so I'd like him gone asap, don't know alignment and won't know because he's just doing things "for the lulz xd"

I don't do things just for the lolz.
I said I would do it for the lulz as scum.

Believe it or not, their is reason for my chaotic nature.

[Firebringer]

I impulsively acted without consulting anyone.

[Firebringer]

Rude.

[Firebringer]

Stop asking the same question and expecting a different response. FB is scum. End of Analysis.

FB has a meta of not doing jackshit I had to review for Open 608. It was enough where if he put forth a consistent plausible reason, I would have been fine with him. He didn't.

I woke up and read this post.

I am filled with so much anger right now, I can't see straight.

"FB has a meta of not doing jackshit"
That has made me so FUCKING MAD!!!!!!!

SCREW YOU TITUS.

*punches a wall*

*Punches another wall*

I am done for now, I am going to go do 'jackshit'.

Too angry to play.

[Firebringer]

well the mafia is More inclined to tell the truth. It makes it easier to keep your case clean. So for me personally, this is more of a scummy comment.

I so want to troll this commment.

But I will refrain

Internal Monologue to My troll Comment:
Me: I can't tell a lie, I am scum lolz.
Everyone Else: You god damn troll *inserts vote on firebringer*

[Firebringer]

@FB, I meant scum meta there. Calm down.

That was my first scum game here.
Also I had no idea on my allies, I don't know what kind of play you wanted from me on there.

Go see some of my other scum games, they are vastly different from that game.

[Firebringer]

Im trying to save your ass but that requires turning on Vedith.

It would be more scummy to turn on my teammate to save my own ass, so no.

Besides, how many times have you called me a moron in this game?
Why ruin your perception of me, by doing something you consider smart?

[Firebringer]

Enjoy your rope then

What is for desert?

[Firebringer]

You know nothing Suzune. NOTHING!

[Firebringer]

Wait, how did I take the easy openning play?

LOL I think you have to re describe easy to consider my openning to be "easy".
You might say I did a gambit to get town read and I can understand that, but to say it was simple and easy. LOL

like me being scum doesn't fit within that narrative.

[Firebringer]

Firebringer is at L minus 2

Awesome sauce.

[Firebringer]

If you guys think my lynch would give the most information.
I say go for it.

[Firebringer]

Vyse I know you are upset that I challenged you at beginning.
I expected though more contribution than this.

I don't want to turn this lynch into a PL. Please participate and give me something to go on.

Last game we played you were a very strong town read near the end.

[Firebringer]

Vedith we should chat more in the PT, it gets lonely talking in there all by myself ;(

[Firebringer]

Well I am feeling unsure of Vyse. On one hand I like the read wall he gave, the exceptions are just how weak all his reads are....I guess its early, but he has too many he is completely unsure of.

>.>
Don't know what to make of that, I know when I post alot of "unsures" I tend to be scum trying to play it safe.

[Firebringer]

Ask Molla. I can death tunnel very credibly as scum & enjoy baiting people into 1v1s, since, y'know, nobody ever listens to me.

LETS DO THIS.

Turn this 2v2 into a 1v1 tunneling match.

*A announcer comes forward*

Announcer: IN THIS CORNER WE HAVE THE PLAYER TO BEAT THE BRINGER OF FIRE, THE HOT TOMALIE THAT NO ONE CAN PUT OUT, FIREBRINGER!!!!

*Audience cheers*

Announcer: IN THIS OTHER CORNER WE GOT THE PLAYER WITH THE BRAINS AND EXPERIENCE, HE IS A TOP COMPETITOR WITH MANY WINS ON HIS RECORD AND KNOWN FOR SHOWING US THAT BRAINS BEAT BRAWN: VYSEPRESIDENT!!!!

*Audience Cheers lourder*

Announcer: ROUND 1! FIGHT!!!!

[Firebringer]

I'm trying to figure out what Fire was asking me to do. I'm having trouble figuring out why he's challenging me to a 1v1, and whether or not it's serious.

I want you to make hard stances on people.
You seem too neutral for my liking.

[Firebringer]

Well you can't be bullied by me..

+5 Town Points.
-1 Firebringer Approval Point [These points are really worthless]

BBMolla might have higher chances of being scum pair if one of Red Jaguars are scum.

I am going to be extremely mad if the total lynch pool is Town. >.>

[Firebringer]

I should mention that I hope Salamence gets better!

[Firebringer]

I am going to be extremely mad if the total lynch pool is Town. >.>

You do realise you made said lynch pool?

And I can't be mad at myself?

You're the one who's going to be mad?

There's a reason we're not thrilled with you dude. Again, not angry, but I hope you learn from this.

Of course, I can be mad at self.

[Firebringer]

I can't wait till the post game where the yelling at me is only going to intensify.

[Firebringer]

I have been giving reads mostly to Vedith in our PT.

Shiro = Scum
Elbirn = Scum
Titus = Scum.

I am hoping one of you (BBMolla and VysePresident) flips scum.
Right now a little unsure.

I got some decent reactions to everything to give me good feelings of those three being scum though.

[Firebringer]

So you know with 100% positive mind that if I did not challenge. I would come to the exactly same reads and be able to challenge one of those teams?

Cause I don't.

Scum who are no in the lynch pool were able to get relaxed by the thought they were safe, it makes them easier to read (IMO) where as scum inside pool would try to appear more town.

Those are my thoughts on that.

[Firebringer]

Look, you can keep being mad at me. Its not really helping me read you at all cause it could be all fake bs (or you are mad as scum) or we can scumhunt right now in the situation we are currently in.

[Firebringer]

Then Shiro votes for mislynch bait.

Come on, Shiro is completely scum.

[Firebringer]

Every player will claim they are town.
Its a redundant claim.

>.>

It actually annoys me when people say "I am town"

[Firebringer]

I hate it when I think Shiro is scum and Shiro acts cute.
Must not look at Shiro's avatar!!!

[Firebringer]

Elbirn, you is a funny dude.
I will give you a callback to something you said earlier:
"Maybe one game we will be on the same team together [Name Retraced]"

[Firebringer]

You guys are all evil.

[Firebringer]

@Davsto I never learned to proofread my posts. Will you teach me?

[Firebringer]

Okay Titus if you think BBMolla is scum. It makes no sense why you would think I am still scum.

You make 0 sense right now.

[Firebringer]

He doesn't want to bus. Makes no sense? Please.

It makes absolutely no sense for me as scum to put my teammate in a lynch pool with a ally.
Especially since their was 0 interactions between me and Molla before I did the challenge.

Explain it.

Go ahead and explain how a bus in that situation makes sense.

[Firebringer]

Now you are just talking crazy.

[Firebringer]

I think Titus should never trust her read on me.

[Firebringer]

Holy shit, how many times do I got to say, do not lynch Vedith.

Ugh.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: BBMolla

BBMolla seems the only one who has a chance at flipping scum in the lynch pool tbh.

[Firebringer]

@FB, I don't think Vedith is scum, but I just disagree on interpreting the behavior that's present and I am pretty sure you're scum.

How are you so confident Vedith is town?

The dude hasn't been trying to manipulate me all game. He hasn't expressed any resistance to my plans such as this challenge I did. Or that I told him "We are doing this again if we both survive". Which right now, I am not going to do.

There were multiple places for him to turn on me and the general wave of discontent would give him ample opportunity. He is also expressed his own reads in our PT and I agree with a few of them, before I even shared my own reads.

He has expressed what I think are legit reasons for town reading me.

The only thing that worries me about Vedith is that he sheeped my vote when he expressed he wanted to vote BBMolla before.

[Firebringer]

I know Vedith, if scum, probably not aligned with you Titus or MS.

[Firebringer]

Love you to BBMolla. Love you too.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Vedith

Definitely scum.

Did you just hammer Vedith?

[Firebringer]

The amount of rage I feel is just......

[Firebringer]

You better pray Vedith flips scum PB. Cause if not. YOU WILL PAY.

[Firebringer]

No. Just No.

[Firebringer]

You better pray Vedith flips scum PB. Cause if not. YOU WILL PAY.

It's on your hands dude.

Learn to not fucking gladiate before getting reads you fuckwit.

Then your vote should be on me fuckwit.
Vedith didn't do this challenge, I did.

[Firebringer]

Yeah fires town

VOTE: bbmolla

You realize you are in my scum list, right?

[Firebringer]

So what if all 4 are town Elbirn?
Or do you believe that Molla is actually scum?

I don't know if this is actually 4 town or not.
Part of me wants too.

But with everyone commenting that they are assured that it is, I think either:

A) Scum are trying to protect their allies in this lynch pool.
B) Scum knows their is no scum in this lynch pool so they are basically confirming it.
C) I don't know. I like their being a third option.

[Firebringer]

@Elbirn I don't see what you are townreading, and I don't know if you are intentionally trying to weaken my scumread on you or you don't care or I am lost. I feel like this is buddying. [Confirmation Bias is strong in me]


@Vyse love the reads buddy! It would be better if you gave us X is Scum and Y is Scum. Instead of town reads. >.>

[Firebringer]

You think Shiro might not be town? :O

Shiro, would you tell me if you were scum?
Cause I will be not pleased if we are enemies!!!

[Firebringer]

Firebringer I sure as fuck hope you learn to stop being bad. Like when I flip town read all my yelling at you. It's all real.

Like, I'm a fuckwit, I don't make the smartest moves, but I don't fuck over the entire town in one swift post like you did this day.

Firebringer is a town fuckwit, Vyse is town as fuck, that leaves Vedith as the only possible scum in our group.

Is there an echo I feel like I said that before

I can never stop learning to be bad, cause I am bad and I went to bad academy for the gifted bad.

You can't outbad me, no matter what game we play, I will always be bad.

Your attacks are not nearly as bad as the attacks I dish out on players!

[Firebringer]

Hey Molla, I eat dicks for breakfast!

[Firebringer]

FIREBRINGER YOU FUCKED UP

FIREBRINGER YOU FUCKED UP

firebringer you fucked up

This all sounds legit.

Legit as hell!

[Firebringer]

You should copyright that song, pretty good. I enjoyed it.

[Firebringer]

we could just lynch firebringer so maybe it actually thinks that he shouldn't do stupid shit

like when my ex cheated and I told everyone in existence, I'm fairly confident the pain of losing all her friends will at least make her think twice next time before doing it.

What?

You realize this is a game, right?

You could policy lynch me every game, every day one, it won't curb my attitude nor style.

If you know anything about deterrence, it only works when the perceived punishment is actually feared by person that would be punished.

You also can't curb attitudes like situations you describe with your ex that way, cause your ex might not interpret it to be her own fault for losing her friends she might think "well they are shitty friends".

[Firebringer]

Also your ex might not even value her relationship with her friends, so there's that.

Some people just don't care.

[Firebringer]

I am a asshole, now it is relevant

[Firebringer]

Btw, I'm not against lynching me. As I said, I think that us 4 are town. So it's a case who will do more for town at this stage I guess. Just make sure that my

Really vedith? Really?

Why you gotta look scummy bro.

[Firebringer]

I know you are buddy, I know you are
This is why you are mislynch bait.

[Firebringer]

You just see me as a dead maggot!

I will have to re look through probably but has Shiro/Dav given their read on Titus?

I don't see you as dead, but I get feeling you honestly want to get lynched.

Especially with your request and saying "might as well lynch me"

[Firebringer]

Vedith you are like my reasonable half, don't get lynched.
Nobody will keep me in check.

People will just yell at me more and I will ignore them.

[Firebringer]

i figured it out, Shiro is scum because Shiro isn't using purple text.

Nor have we seen any adorable pictures in awhile.

Nailed it.

[Firebringer]

Honestly can we just end this day

I'd either like to be dead or starting lunching scum

And firebringer if you honestly think gladiating that early for "finding reads" wasn't a bad move I never want to play with you again.

Way to take it to a unnecessary level.

I don't really want to play with a person who takes the game so serious that they start acting like this. So go ahead and avoid games I am in.

All you have done for last six pages is get pissed off and angry at me and yelled at everyone here. You haven't scumhunted, you said you wanted to lynch Vedith to punish me which shows that you don't care at all about who gets lynched.

Honestly you haven't convinced me you are town at all. Its easy to say "Everyone in this lynch group is town, firebringer you are fucking idiot" then proceed to just rant and rant on me.

At this point, I have pretty good scumread on you that I honestly would think you have a good chance of flipping scum.

[Firebringer]

I am also not convinced by Vyse being town either.

[Firebringer]

dude best play as scum here is to shut the fuck up

Not if you are lynch pool it isn't.

[Firebringer]

srsly though lynch the fuck out of Kaito

Are you seriously not worried about your other Red Jaguar?

[Firebringer]

Honestly I don't have a problem with you getting mad and throwing a fit, I am mad at levels where you take it.

I had a game where scum literally used AtE through attacks on me to manipulate me, and it pissed me of so fricking much.

They attacked me at one place you don't attack me.
They called me a gamethrower for voting them.

That was one thing you don't do for me because I abhor players who throw games.

[Firebringer]

THAT IS WHAT IM ATTEMPTING TO TELL YOU FIREBRINGER

BY GLADIATING EARLY YOURE BASICALLY THROWING THE FUCKING GAME

Did you not just read my post?

Jesus Christ man.
What did I say not to do?

[Firebringer]

Lol got prodded


Molla is town I think

Everyone seems agreement that everyone is town in this lynch pool and I am unwilling to believe it.

[Firebringer]

This might be confirmation bias but if this was a all town lynch pool. You would think it would be easier for scum to hop on these and we would get a lynch.

Instead its been dragging on and on and on.

[Firebringer]

It probably is confirmation bias.
I think BBMolla anger is real, but it could be scum anger.
I have trouble distinguishing the two sometimes.

[Firebringer]

Cause I said he wasn't scumhunting.

[Firebringer]

I mean it's a possibility, you act like its impossible or something.

Here is my theory on mass group thinking in games like this:
The Scum play huge part in what the group thinks as a whole. One person reads gets sheeped by anothers and so on and so forth.

The more people in agreement, the more I know something is fishy going on.

If town is in agreement, I know something is off. Just like how I feel with everyone saying Titus is scum, I feel same way but I am questioning it more and more the people say it.

[Firebringer]

I am not saying everyone ships reads, but one persons reads will affect another person reads just as soon as they become public knowledge.

You might look on it and say "hey that sounds interest maybe they are onto something" then go investigate and come to same conclusion they did.

Could you both be right? Possibly, but as numbers grow its likely that Scum are bandwagoning on there with false reads too.

[Firebringer]

FB=Scum unless his yolo challenge works out in getting a scum lynched.

BBmolla=Scum for being way to aggresive and getting super defensive if your town their is no reason to freak out.

Prolasped Brain= (lurking scum maybe*) i mean this dude has done nothing.

Titus=Scum he just screams scum with the way he's been acting, I would be ok with his team being challenged on day 2.

This is just....
Don't know what to say to it.

[Firebringer]

I am saying if this was truly a all town lynch pool.
Scum could have easily pushed a lynch on either of Vedith or BBMolla.

I think one of them has to be scum.
Otherwise I don't see why a lynch hasn't gone through.

[Firebringer]

I feel liek the most paranoid person in this game right now, I think I am becoming a Titus clone.

[Firebringer]

Should I be flattered? Insulted?

You are definitely not the most paranoid. I have like zero 100% townreads and I like calling scumteams by day 1.

Well it wasn't meant as a insult or complement, so....

Why not be both?

[Firebringer]

I think I pointed out that I think your anger is legit.
You think Scum don't get angry too?

[Firebringer]

So scum are never angry or frustrated when they are about to get lynched.

Really?

[Firebringer]

Alright I've heard enough

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Vedith

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Ugh.

[Firebringer]

I almost want to lynch Vedith just because he isn't talking to me enough in my PT.

>.>
Come on Vedith, step up your game.

[Firebringer]

And I want to end this day.
I just don't see him as scum though.

Lazy, scummy looking town.

[Firebringer]

Thats actually reasonable from Vedith.

[Firebringer]

Okay, so yeah.

Vedith, nothing personal bro.
We need to get out of this rut we are in though. That I massively hate.
VOTE: Vedith

Everyone feel free to yell at me.
I will be extremely shocked if Vedith flips guard.

Again, UGH.

I just want this day over. And go sulk in a corner for causing a mislynch.

i really really didn't want to lynch Vedith.

[Firebringer]

VEDITH I LOVE YOU MAN (NO HOMO)

I am sorry, but you even said it was fine to lynch you.

[Firebringer]

Me at the moment:

[Firebringer]

I feel like I just shot my beloved friend.
I don't like what I just did at all.

[Firebringer]

If Molla turns out to be scum by end of game. I am going to go batshit crazy.

[Firebringer]

I think I should issue the next challenge.

I want town in charge of that shit.
I will of course wait for a consensus though.

[Firebringer]

I promise I wont go all leeroy again!!!

[Firebringer]

I am alright, I am devastated that I killed my friend Vedith.

I might not recover in this game.

[Firebringer]

I guess I am not "alright". I hope he does flip scum so that lynch was worht something. Otherwise it was meaningless and I feel like shit.

[Firebringer]

WTF

[Firebringer]

VEDITH!!!!

[Firebringer]

You have to be completely shitting me on that flip Vedith!

[Firebringer]

I am still in complete shock on that flip.

I am speechless.

[Firebringer]

I also think it was clever to have Firebringer issue the challenge. All the focus would fall on Fire and therefore Vedith would fall out of the limelight.

Ummm Vedith never told me to do it or convinced me...
That was all me.

[Firebringer]

I will give you the reads list that Vedith gave me.
I guess I have to paraphrase it, because direct quoting will result in a modkill.

[Firebringer]

He said:
Dave feels off because he is not scum hunting and going with flow.

Titus is scum because hisn't as abrupt as normal for her.

Elbirn would make sense as scum and he doesn't care who goes. I think he just doesn't want to be on any of the wagons for lynching a townie

PB is a easy push target for scum and I don't agree for voting someone for lurking alone----[THIS IS HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS]

MS is quiet.

Suzune I get a weird feeling from.

Vyse and you (Firebringer) are both town.

I don't remember who said it but the thought of Molla and you (Firebringer) being scum is ridiculous.

I didn't like Molla self vote comment. You play with Molla? Does he normally make threats like this?

Thats a lose paraphrase of what he said.

[Firebringer]

I thought we were going to fight it out before we challenged again.

none of these are challenges suzune lol.

[Firebringer]

So far this is what I got:
Titus is obv town, Molla hardcore town, Elbirn town.

And that Suzune is prolly town.

Everything else is up in the air.

[Firebringer]

I think the Green Monkies should challenge Silver Snakes.
Suzune is strongest town in that pool.

MS is in question, Shiro is up in air, and Kaito might be scum too.

[Firebringer]

I think the challenge today should be MS's team versus Kaito's team.

If you know what the team names are and who are in them. You would know this is my suggestion lol.

[Firebringer]

So you are saying.

I as scum.
With my partner who is also scum.

Decided the best decision out of the day was to both:
Call for a challenge on players not present at the time and before any discussion could be had for it.
Then called Vedith town for the whole day up until I hammered him.

Just....why?

I mean, I will say. I am reckless as both alignments, but god damn. I don't even think I have the balls to do that.

[Firebringer]

Titus is effectively saying "Firebringer is at my level and I expect him to be as good as me"

Thank you for complement Titus

[Firebringer]

HEY SHIRO!
LOOK AT VOTE COUNTS PLS!!!!

You just put Kaito at L-1 with 0 warning >.>

[Firebringer]

6 votes to lynch.

Current Votes:
Metal Sonic (1): Titus
Kaito (5): BBMolla, Metal Sonic, VysePresident, Davsto, Shiro

Not Voting: Firebringer, Suzune, Prolapsed Brain, Elbirn, Kaito

[Firebringer]

He honestly just wasn't good of a salesman of his reads.

Just a bit too aggro

[Firebringer]

He was probably wrong about Titus, I don't think I can picture Titus as scum right now.
Vedith was hard pushing Titus as scum. And was saying SvS on Titus and Sala. So I think MS probably is town as well.

Shiro I am iffy on right now.

Suzune I think has good chance of being town as well.

His town reads are 100% accurate I think

[Firebringer]

Kaito weren't you just calling me scum like two pages ago?
Or possible scum?

Something like that...

Shiro, I feel uncomfortable with you this game....I am getting scum vibes from you.

[Firebringer]

Reason I'm leaning Titus!scum is because she said of the possibility of Firebringer "not being town just because there's scum in the pool". At the time, Vedith was a popular lynch target - there's a chance enough that she knew that Vedith would be lynched and flip town, and was preparing to set up Firebringer for a lynch if Vedith flipped scum. It's silly, I know, but I remember it being a bit odd at the time. Now I can see a potential scum motivation for it.

Davsto this doesn't make sense.....

If Titus was scum she would know Vedith was going to flip scum...wait. Your just not making sense, in next sentence you say she knew he was flipping Scum.

Are you saying because I wouldn't push Vedith the first time he got to L-1 she would pressure me on that?

[Firebringer]

Do I have to remake my banner now that my teammate is dead?
And scum?

The Orange Iguanas are sad ;(

[Firebringer]

I love that picture of titus being a crazy serial killer with a knife.
It seems fitting in a strange way (no offense titus)

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Kaito

Thats L-1.

[Firebringer]

if I am wrong I need to take a big step back and re-evaluate my life

I think if he flips town, what you should do is admit I am better at this game than you.

[Firebringer]

You love my posts Titus.

[Firebringer]

So....Kaito.
You town or scum?
Might as well tell us.

[Firebringer]

One day when I get hammered as town, I will start saying I am scum at twiight and veryone will be like

"Yea nice job town we got them hahaha....*flips town* ....fuck you shiro"

@Dav......is this.....what I think it is ?

You are a troll Shiro!

[Firebringer]

Paaaarty

I would party with you anyday Shiro!!

[Firebringer]

Dammit Shiro don't say that, that's what you said last time you were scum!

Always as in as scum and town ^_^

Shiro, say something only town shiro would say.

Like....what is my favorite color?

[Firebringer]

What is your quest?

[Firebringer]

What... is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

[Firebringer]

2 for 2, we are killing this game.

[Firebringer]

Here is the Kaito Wagon:
Kaito (6)-BBMolla, Metal Sonic, Davsto ,Firebringer, Titus--LYNCH

Vyse unvoted Kaito don't know if I should make that suspicious or not but he did the EXACT same thing with Vedith and voted BBMolla.

Vedith Wagon:
Vedith (7)- Metal Sonic, Davsto, BBmolla, Suzune, Shiro, Elbirn, Firebringer

[Firebringer]

Metal Sonic and BBMolla are conf town for me. No way they bussed their allies by joining both wagons as early as they did.

[Firebringer]

I am pretty sure I was on the Kaito wagon wasn't I ?

Didn't you unvote?
Maybe I had hammered? lol

[Firebringer]

Yeah I just didn't include you...sorry shiro!!

Correct VC on Kaito:
BBMolla, Metal Sonic, Davsto, Shiro, Firebringer, Titus

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Prolapsed Brain
Vedith was defending him pretty well, and Kaito gave him a null.
I think that is good enough to say the slot is scum.

[Firebringer]

LOLOLOL EGG HIM ON FOR GAMBLERS FALLACY!

[Firebringer]

Taken.

[Firebringer]

Shit it's 11PM I need slep vroom

Also Firebringer, how about you pre-in to Pun Mafia with that shiny new alt of yours? Wouldn't want it to go to waste

PEdit - looks, town right now are at 8:2 Town:Mafia in a nightless setup. What makes you think that at that point we'll never consider Sonic?

I will consider it, perhaps me and Shiro will make that our Hydra debut? O_o

[Firebringer]

Okay thats 5 votes on PB. At L-1

PB:(5) Davsto, Firebringer, Shiro, BBMolla, Metal Sonic.

[Firebringer]

lol it would be hilarious if it was Titus.

[Firebringer]

Those reads by Kaito were terribad.
I could honestly believe he legit bussed his reads on his teammates though, at least with PB

[Firebringer]

Well part of me wants to be hesitant, the other part is like "ehhh we get like 5 free mislynches right now.

[Firebringer]

Suzune, you can hammer at the ready.

[Firebringer]

I would.

But I am very very reckless.
So.....w/e.

[Firebringer]

Metal Sonic is already voting PB if I remember right.

[Firebringer]

Yeah, he put him at L-1.

[Firebringer]

I like how everyone is pretending their is a challenge going on in this game.

Pretty funny.

[Firebringer]

If we are so intent on lynching Sonic, should I just challenge?

[Firebringer]

So...hammer or not hammer.
THAT IS THE QUESTION!

[Firebringer]

I need Vedith to give me advice, but I killed him.
>.>

[Firebringer]

Hey Shiro, I hydra signed for Ikas game.
I hope you approve

[Firebringer]

Nevermind there was only one...

I think the train is building to fast for metal sonic to be scum. I don't understand why people never defend themselves.

Theres 2 scum left, I would agree it would seem super fast if there was 4....but almost everyone in this game is town at this point.

Why is fast wagon bad when their is few scum left?

[Firebringer]

Yeah....Vyse is fishy for sure.

[Firebringer]

I will not be mad if he flips scum.
I will not be mad if he flips town.

I will not be mad.
If I say it enough it will be true.

[Firebringer]

I will allow you to speak Vyse.
We will not give you the PB treatment.

[Firebringer]

Yeah....I kinda thought MS was town.

Guys, we really gotta be more careful of mislynches.