Mini 1727: Legends of the Hidden Temple II - Game Over!

[VysePresident]

NOt here.

Not now.

[VysePresident]

I've tried so freaking hard.

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I know this is AtE.

I'm just...ugh/amdg ;qjbgwq'

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PLease don't make everything for nothing.

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I know this is AtE.

I'm sorry.

I tired ot be on and make this work the fair way

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But now that Elb's talking you agree with him.

[VysePresident]

It's a freaking pinball machine.

Just hink please Fire.

[VysePresident]

Ugh, sorry.

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One last summary, at least?

[VysePresident]

Oh what the frick is ti now?

[VysePresident]

Can I make one last summary?

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PLease don't make everything for nothing.

This?

[VysePresident]

That was not the summary.

[VysePresident]

Elbirn's points boil down to a premade soup that doesn't fit with the game.

-I'm supposedly scum because I flipped on him suddenly after Townread him all game. He's blatantly ignoring the fact that I have literally had it confirmed for me that's he scum. Of course I flipped on him

-I'm scummy 'for not providing content'. This is the oldest, stupidest way to push a mislynch. You saw me in Midnight Sun. Do you really think I'm going to back off as scum, at the most critical moment? I will give you every scum game I ever played.

-The fake challenge was not a fake challenge. I goofed here, but that's very much a "My word, his word" thing now. Just do what you want.

-He completely ignores my place on the wagons prior - it could not have been better timed to cost me all the Town credit I would have gotten, at the time when it was clear that the Town was going to lynch them and the only scum game I've ever lost was the one I buddied a friend too hard. (Technically, I lost another where the entire scumteam hard bussed me right away. I don't know that I can say I got to play that one. Either way, point stands.)

-Funny how Elb's suspecting you yesterday, then I call you scum, and he's suddenly buddy, buddy with you.

This is the first half of the summary. The second is on me and my play.

I can argue how Elbirn basically did nothing this game, but that would take a third part, and you're obviously a hair away from voting me. :/

[VysePresident]

I was Town

[VysePresident]

We almost had this Fire

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Shut up.

[VysePresident]

Sorry, no, you eanred it

[VysePresident]

Just salty about the trolling.

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This is the first time I've ever been mislynched.

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YOu just can't wait can you?

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I asked you.

I don't ever post fast Fire.

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Okay, this is for Policy reasons.
I am going to stop playing with the one of you who is fucking with my head right now.

Just admit you are scum, the game is over.

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I was scum.

This is my revenge for giving Elbirn a 'fair chance', and not doing the same for me. I'm legitimately salty about that dude, because I put a lot of effort into this, you know I take a long time, and I've done this before as Town too, but I'm just teasing you in the friendliest possible way.

I think I earned it, but so did you guys, so I'm not really upset or anything. I just wish you'd given me a fair shake, because there was a lot of stuff Elb did that wasn't actually accurate to my play.

I briefly overestimated our team when I voted Vedith. My unvote on Kaito was mostly because I knew TownMe would do it for sure, and I figured I could let MS gain a little traction, then hard press Kaito for a lot more Towncred than where I was initially situated.

I don't defend apathetic partners anymore, after what happened in my Newbie game, just going to say. I lost the game only because of that defense.

Actually, this was almost identical to another Town game I played, so I hope you guys don't prented this is my scum meta. The only reason I was on so many bad points of the game was Real Life Crap throwing my play off

hard.

I legitimately never do this as scum if I can help it, for all the reasons mentioned. I can control a game very well & interact promptly & well timed, when I have the time & mental focus to play. (As in, I nearly convinced the people of my Newbie game not to mislynch me with a hard defense on my flipped scumbuddy, and a JK guilty on me The SE was ProHawk, lest you think I'm just messing around with Newbies, and he fell the hardest. I just couldn't help it this time. Too much going on. )

I AtE'd more than usual because everyone else was AtEing more than usual, and it was becoming something akin to a Trust Tell that I wanted to kill before it became a problem. I'm trying to remove from my gameplay, honestly, but given the serious BS Molla put me through, I think I earned the right to abuse that.

(Incidentally, I'm not really so mad about that, but it was legitimately infuriating at the time. I'm honestly a little irked that Elbirn thinks I did that strategically. I did it as a random "Maybe this will amount to something, and if not, nothing lost" play.)

[VysePresident]

Actually flailing is borderline to a very strong Town Tell on me at this point.

I get apathetic at times, but I never stay that way.

I never let myself go down without a fight.

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I think it would have been better if I did final challenge.

This game, ugh.
I would have known right there and then if I was right about scum.

Although I probably would have challenged Elbirn.....

Honestly, I would have defended you hard if Molla tried to call you out for messing that up. As I said, it's actually incredibly unlikely for me to play a scum game this slowly, and there were things mixed in their that simply don't happen as scum for me most of the time.

Not that I didn't scumtell in spots, or screw up hard, but the cases on me were actually not completely accurate. I got caught less for pure stupidity, and more for trying to be too clever.

Kaito was supposed to make me look very, very good, instead of meh.

[VysePresident]

You played extremely well Vyse. All your interactions last few days with posts seemed really genuine.

It helps that I literally just came out of a game exactly like this, where I was Town.

Also, a lot of the emotion I showed was genuine. I just manipulated it to serve me.

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I actually thought I'd selfvoted at first, by the way.

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It was intended to be a fake, I thought I'd legitimately screwed up for a bit, figured I'd hope Elbirn showed up first & I could unvote.

I even PM'd the mod to kinda remind what happened last time.

[VysePresident]

You played extremely well Vyse. All your interactions last few days with posts seemed really genuine.

It helps that I literally just came out of a game exactly like this, where I was Town.

Also, a lot of the emotion I showed was genuine. I just manipulated it to serve me.

Incidentally, while I have forever killed my ability to be trusted, I do actually highly value my perfect rate of avoiding mislynches, so please don't quicklynch me next game.

(And no, no scumslips in the posting spree. I checked a bunch.)

[VysePresident]

I don't know, just for ego purposes, I'd love to win a game, or at least have a loss that wasn't based on "We got bored"

Because that's what's always ends up happening when I lose as scum. I have so many reasons, but somebody always shouts me down. This is why I say I don't let myself go low activity as scum. It's just asking for people to override me.

I'm starting to do it as Town too, just to avoid that sort of thing. If I hadn't been so tired of fighting in Midnight Sun, I'd have pushed an Elbirn lynch much harder. I might even have strongarmed him & LQ. (which would not have turned out well. :/ )

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I guess the point of all this self-analysis is that I use the same techniques as Town, entirely because they work. I hope you don't quicklynch me next game, because honestly, I'm at something like 7 to 2 for doing this as Town versus scum.

I had to deal with a constant tunnel after winning my last scum game, so pardon me some paraoina.

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In your defense my brain was telling me to vote Elbirn, my gut said you.

My gut won that fight.

Well, grats man.

I''m just going to find somewhere to relax, because I"m tense as heck. I literally get to believe what I'm saying, to some degree. It's kinda scary, but I legitimately feel like you just mislynched me.

And gosh darn it, you owed me that time

You're like controlling a freaking pinball dude.

[VysePresident]

I won't quick lynch lol.

The worst was me challenging Day 1 lol.

2 scum were in that lynch pool. Hurray!

I remember laughing at you so hard after you did that, because if we'd played just a little better, you would have been lynched, and two scum would have come out of that with massive Town credit. It almost worked, but it's kinda like how I got lynched - Vedith just didn't talk enough. Skill factored into it too, as did massive AtE, but talking is scary in what it can do sometimes. Just being present is powerful.

It sort of worked, in terms of saving me for the longest time. (I get a little 'offended' when people accuse me of missing a trend, because I'd like to think I have passibly strong read on how trends develop, and what lynches look like. It's not really serious or anything, because I mean, I make mistakes, but it does frustrate me when I get a scum case on me for things that were kind of obviously )

I mean, I voted Molla partly to set up Fire. (I had my hopes up briefly, but yeah, that didn't last long.) I sort of succeeded anyway, but I lost the ability to claim the TownCred I'd fought for with Ved. I'm honestly kinda disappointed about that one, because I really misplayed there, and was just sort of apathetic about the game because of the rage in the thread & stuff. It kinda kills the fun for me, regardless of alignment.

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I really thought I gave everyone ample enough time for responses.
Typically I wouldn't have taken as long as I did to come to decision, but I was really torn on this one.

Really close, it was gg.

I'm really slow, Fire.

Like, it takes me at least 15 minutes per average post, and often a couple hours.

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This is probably the one aspect of my play that I'm kinda screwed in terms of changing.

Even as scum, I want some thought in how I express myself.

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Eh, Plotinus took all the Scummies this year anyway, so it's not that big a deal.

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Jokes aside, GG guys, and thanks for your time, mod. This was a blast, as freaking hard as this game was, and I'd love to be scum with any of you guys again sometime.

Also, I seriously want you guys in Midnight Sun #2, so get in there please!

[VysePresident]

@Mod - Can you please delete Post #171 from the Scum QT before releasing the thread?

(It doesn't express anything about my RL difficulties that's new, or necessary. It was just a bitter, ranting post I made that I'd rather doesn't see the light of day.)

[VysePresident]

Aren't we all? "{

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^ true dat, playa. I will keep that in mind.

I think it might really help if I could start actually taking notes too. I wind up being wildly inconsistent half because I forget things that have happened and I just go with the flow. "Yaaay we killed suzune, oh wait I was townreading her and forgot"

Part of that note taking should be noting dead players reads and dying thoughts, because if I forgot what *I* think how the hell am I gonna remember what other people thought o.o

I was about to jump on you hard for that.

Fire just didn't give me enough time.

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In retrospect, I probably would have done better to drop trying to make a case & just push Fire on gut. (though I was a little amused that you think I couldn't have brought all your scummy crimes to bear on you, you scummy Elbirn scum you; )

The funny thing is, I nearly posted to kinda tease Fire about how easily he shifts, and hoping he wouldn't forget about me once Elbirn started talking. I left it alone because I felt I'd be giving you fuel to lynch me, and I didn't have time to work out a more effective angle before I left for work.

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just so we're clear, we're chill Vyse, it's just a game

gg

Alright, it's fine man.

Just keep in mind that stuff legitimately messes with my head hard.

[VysePresident]

I love all the rage & grief in the deadthread.

For what it's worth, I meant I was trying to temper the AtE, and avoid being outright cruel. I did want that win really badly though.

As a matter of fact Dav, you were in fact my push entirely because of how afraid I was of letting you live. I'm not sure we'll always agree stylistically, but your accuracy this game was phenomenal & terrifying.

I did cringe when I reread some of the stuff I wrote. I really was hammy, wasn't I?

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As a matter of fact Dav, you were in fact my push entirely because of how afraid I was of letting you live. I'm not sure we'll always agree stylistically, but your accuracy this game was phenomenal & terrifying.

hehe

tbf your superquick push on me was pretty good, probably the most likely scenario to get me lynched. You got away with it with barely a second glance, because for some reason town just shrugged it off.

To be fair though, my reads this game were 25% fluke (Vedith) 25% sheep (Kaito) and only 50% genuine (Titus/you) and even then I refused to push Titus when I too couldn't be lynched because I can be quite proud. I wasn't going to get annoyed at Titus for making a 1v1 when she couldn't be lynched and then pull that crap myself.

Yeah, that much was obvious, and that's why I used that angle to discredit your pushes. You were 'too good' without being serious about some of those pushes. (And yeah, I recognized that you really, really wanted that 1v1 with Titus, but it was weird enough that I could spin it.)

That said, you were still scary - I don't know that I'll sheep you forever quite yet, but you've got some respect pal.

I was amused at how well it worked, honestly. It did make it difficult to set up another lynch though, which was what I wanted to plant during the course of a battle.

Lynching Molla like I did was a shock. I was sure it was going to be my last stand, with the slimmest hope of delaying a lynch until the next phase. The quicklynch had me laughing so hard until stuff happened.

In retrospect, I know how I should have handled Fire, and I'm pretty sure I'm ready for the next time, pal.

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Sad I missed sign-ups for your Pun Mafia, but it's probably for the best, given that I tend to be trying for a one to two game limit anymore. Still, maybe keep me listed if you need replacements, okay? If I can get life to a manageable spot...well, I'm not called the Punisher for nothing, and I will take Punitive measures on anyone who dares to challenge me.

[VysePresident]

I think that the final three did amazing there are the end. Good job to everyone~

Thanks Suz!

For what it's worth, you were another person I wanted gone in LyLo, because I don't believe I can manipulate you effectively as any alignment.

We're so very similar, and so very different at the same time, y'know? It's kinda weird.

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(though I was a little amused that you think I couldn't have brought all your scummy crimes to bear on you, you scummy Elbirn scum you; ).

Oh yeah no doubt I played like an absolute scumshit this game. I made a lot of bad moves. That part was just bluster and talking shit xD

Me too, pal, me too. XD

I should have been faster. I tried to dismantle your case on me in detail, when I should have just been calling BS, and I think that's what cost me the game.

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Yeah, and I should have hammered when I asked if you were at L-1

Oh well, next time

When was that?

Just curious?

[VysePresident]

Oh, it was here:

Is that L-1 Firebringer?

It actually wasn't, for what that's worth. It was L-2, according to the vote post three posts below.

But yeah, I know the feeling. We've all been there.

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I mean obvtown is {Vyse's} scum meta kind of.

Heh.

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Honestly?

This game was

hard

. Four Town mislynches, plus one for everyone scummate that dies is hard odds to beat.

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That's not to complain. I just don't think this setup was particularly scumsided.

Actually, I had a heck of a blast, and I'd like to echo Shiro & pre-in in the event of another game.

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Haha, thanks MS!

Honestly, I think I screwed up hard a couple dozen times, mostly by letting things go. If I'd pressured Fire just a little more, instead of trying to reason with him when he was already on my side....So darn close.

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I'm laughing as I look back at some of my posts over the course of the last day. Some of them are really cringeworthy, in retrospect.

What's scary is that I actually felt like I was about to be mislynched. It always makes me wonder when I find myself believing the lies I'm telling so much.