WiFom City: Don't Trust Titus - GAME OVER

[mastin2]

VOTE: Mastina for mislynching me in WDPT

Technically, that was Voided with the backing of Bulbazak?

VOTE: Quoth the Pidgeon.
Because they're town and I'm destroying my credibility in reading them right because why not, the mod already destroyed my hopes.

[mastin2]

I think it's pretty clear that mastin is scum.

Literally no way to emphasize how much I wish it were true since right now, I frankly feel like playing like scum this game even though I'm not.

I'd love to say that I'd live to lategame to break it. (I specialized in this type of gamebreaking on EpicMafia, after all.)
I'd love to say that scum nightkill me some time this game, like, say, N3 or so.
But frankly, I find it far more likely that I'm getting lynched some time. Player respect for me will keep it from being on D1, naturally (except if it doesn't), where the mindset, "But she COULD be town, and if so, we're making a huge mistake wasting her" will save me, but bluntly, I really don't see myself ending up in this game as anything other than a mislynch.

I can maybe be of some help, but honestly I'm also getting a feeling that no matter how much effort I put in, my reads will never be good; spending 8 hours a day on the game feels like it'd net me no more scum than if I was just hipgun gutposting minimal content.

[mastin2]

Also,

Mod: can you link to the setup in the OP somewhere?

It'd be helpful for research purposes. (Frankly I did look at it once but didn't really look at the combinations in any true level of detail, just skimming it as an, "Okay" sort of thing. But I know it'll be needed eventually.)

[mastin2]

But frankly, I find it far more likely that I'm getting lynched some time. Player respect for me will keep it from being on D1, naturally (except if it doesn't), where the mindset, "But she COULD be town, and if so, we're making a huge mistake wasting her" will save me, but bluntly, I really don't see myself ending up in this game as anything other than a mislynch.

(Psst...for those who end up scumreading me and think this is a post straight out of the mafia presumably-PT, that means I'd be playing a game where I intend my death to serve my team, a-la L4D. Thus, don't give towncred to those voting me and don't discard my reads just because they're coming from me. It'll save you a world of pain. Of course by saying this there's wifom involved, but, well, you'll thank me later if you take my advice.)

[mastin2]

Dang, Mastin, you seem unusually depressed.

You would be too if it happened to you. (Badabada, ba! )

I had high hopes for the game, but I hold good situational awareness. Given my role, and given the players, and given my feelings from what I've generally picked up the vibe for, I know it holds a fairly high probability of being true. Effectively, while it's possible I'm wrong and I turn out to be a scumhunting goddess--especially if that EM experience proves to serve me well--I just have this general ~vibe~ of bad things happening this game.

Yeah, could be a self-fulfilling prophecy, I'll admit that, but I don't think so. I'm probably getting lynched, and I'm probably not going to have made much of a meaningful impact on the game. I

will

say, though, that I'm not giving up--even at my weakest, I typically nail at least ONE scumbag a game, so that's pretty much my goal this game.

[mastin2]

Yeah, I concluded it was pretty likely you were town after reading your post.

I could be wrong, of course, but I'm not going to bother with the effort of visiting it and just assume I'm right.
UNVOTE: Quoth the Pidgeon.

So who's the scum, then?

[mastin2]

Hipgunning,

VOTE: Mastina for mislynching me in WDPT

Town.

Vote: Banana Frog

Townish.

VOTE: Atum

Scummish.

VOTE: Mastin
Let's do this

Scum.

With nothing on the others either way except APhydra (my capital q key is broken and it's a pain to type capital qs, so I'm calling you APhydra until I bother to see posts from the other head ) townread.

[mastin2]

Imma just gonna say: What AP said in post 26.

Sometimes I live for when we've shared those moments. Gears of War had us so on point and scarilyso, that we got taken out N1 by both teams. I know you haven't forgotten! And you certainly are capable of that and more!

Eh,

yeah

, I'm

capable

of it, but the last time I did was in the--what was it called--game run by The Critic hydra I believe, the one where Marquis was the backup-SK, PV was scum, vonflare was scum, ika was scum, Shaft was scum, and suchforth, where I was a one-way lover to Psyche. Did it that game pretty well, but haven't been able to keep doing it consistently. The main thing I've done in my games is catch one scum, defend one town, and be right on both, and basically nothing else. (Okay, generally more than just the one town. Two, three, maybe four town. But you get the idea.) If you're extra-generous, you can say I was on my way to catching half the scumteam of SMITE (two by play/role, one by role), but only if you're extra-generous.

In essence, I think I can work well with you, because I think you're town, and I think if we both see a lot of the same things we can get that synchronization and ~energy~ going, but I'm also saying that I'm probably not going to be the primary pusher. It'll probably be you doing the driving and me the supporting unless I get riled up. (I CAN get riled up, and in fact, it's more common for me to get games where I do rather than I don't, but I can't control when it happens, it just does. Or doesn't, but generally, does.) In which case you'll see the mastina flare you remember.

tl;dr, it's possible you'll see the good ol' same mastin2 you know, but don't count on it.

And <3 AP for 28. Just <3

Now without further ado...let's get the show on the road.

You literally never read me right Mastin.

Hey, it

was

a hipgun.

Lol @ VTs essentially becoming innocent children in this setup.

I missed the memo.

How, exactly, are VT's essentially ICs?

[mastin2]

VOTE: TriforceP
Not a random vote

I think I get this, too.

It feels like the same Triforce from that one multiscum game. (Street Racers? The multiball games generally come in waves, so kinda blend together in my head.)

I know, this game's not multiball, butstill.

Also, Blue Blur might be scum.

[mastin2]

(Then again, I could see ZX as scum. )

[mastin2]

Hi! I'm Atum, and I can already tell we're gonna be great friends. Tell me:

1) Who's got your favorite ava?

2) How's your day been?
Everyone can answer the colorful boldy-looking question.

Unless there's some reference I'm not getting, this looks like scum, too.

[mastin2]

Vote: Atum

I find the question thing the most suspicious thing so far.

I'm liking this for being a potential indicator of town-PV, too, but it's too early to tell for sure.

Maxwell

may

be town, though it's incredibly hard for me to tell.

[mastin2]

Sorry, TTH, but AP was basically invented by me.

[mastin2]

While my ability to read him's never been good, Oversoul's been a fair friend of mine a lot of the time.
So probably wouldn't work there, either.

[mastin2]

<3 TTH.

[mastin2]

@Mastin
Since there are guaranteed to only be 5 VTs.

That doesn't seem ICish at all.

I mean, maybe by play one or two will be, but by role, I don't see how five VTs = all ICs.

Invisible Inc is the best recent example of mastin obvtowning in the first few pages of a game and me having no doubts about my read on it.

Preeeeeeeetty sure we need to play more often since I don't even remember that game, it's so old. (AP's point is right, he just lacks recent examples.)

[mastin2]

Ironically enough I'm not a fan of ^that post by Persivul.

[mastin2]

I wish one day Matsin would dwell into her insane mind and tell everyone what shes thinking.

I do! Literally every game, I dive deep into the depths of my mind, and pull out my thoughts and explain in meticulous detail to the point of annoyance exactly what I'm thinking!

...It just so happens that people don't seem to actually read it! Like, they might read it, but they don't actually

read

it, yaknow?

mastin and Pidgeon make IMO bizarre entrances and there's very little discussion. Why?

^The ironic bit.

I don't know how useful early D1 readslists can be.

They're extremely useful! Normally I'd have one by now. I might be able to compile something, but it'd probably be absolutely worthless.

[mastin2]

Quoth The Pidgeon
Banana Frog
MaxwellPuckett
Grib
Oversoul
The Blue Blur
PeregrineV
Riku
Muffin
Prolapsed Brain
LittleGumball
Gratuitous
Bulbazoor
Klingoncelt
elusive
TriforceP
Drizzx
The Goat
Persivul
Atum

Yeah, this readslist absolutely sucks. Feel free to rip it to shreds.

[mastin2]

Mastin, is that town to scum?

As close as my pathetically-null mind can generate, yes. With huge variance.

Basically, from AngryHeart to Maxwell I have actual townreads. Below that is just winging it; I don't really have scumreads and Atum could easily hop up many spots on the list. (You'll note I'm not voting Atum.)

[mastin2]

Do you have anything to say about Elusives performance? Bulba's poor buddying?

Nope and nope. Their posting basically isn't registering.

I'm reading what they're saying, it's just that an alignment isn't getting generated one way or another.

[mastin2]

@mastin: Can you walk me through the Plotinus read? They dont look explicitly scummy, but I'm wary of Plot so far.

Well basically, if Plotinus is scum, I'm just going to accept the loss right here and now.

Kinda like if AP is.

It's one of those things where, sure, I could be wrong, but I just really don't want to deal with the headache of.

Know how on my flowchart I tell people who have a headache of a time reading me to just townread me?
Yeah, well, guess what I do to people who can give me one?

[mastin2]

I have seen her have Oracle powers in that same game (DOA) and it was cool.

Right! Drawn on Arrival. That's the name of the game where I last nailed all the scum, which I've referenced a few times recently yet mostly have been too lazy to look up the name of. Where I was the self-watcher unless I tracked, and a one-way lover to Psyche, claimed I was a walking deadwoman, and such.

Yeah, uh, as much as I'd

love

for that to be the norm for me, see my name on the Paragon of Mafia Hunters scummy nom list?
...No?
...Yeeeeeeeeaah...there's a reason for that. I'm not going to say it's a random fluke, one of a kind, that never happens. It does happen from time to time. I get games like that every once and a while, but the VAST majority of my games? Not so great. I mean, generally I'm not absolutely horrible. My scumhunting rate averages at above the normal level, because even at my worst, I'll catch at least one scumbag, and sometimes, I can catch more even if I don't catch even close to the whole team. (For instance, SMITE. If you're being generous, you can say I was one day short of catching half the scumteam.) Which is why I say that I'm a mediocre-high player overall. (Though sometimes I say mediocre-low if I'm going through a hellish phase.)

I wish I could be that consistently good, but simply put, I don't know how the magic works. If I did, it wouldn't be magic. I had it in Drawn on Arrival; I feel like the magical blessing has turned into a terrible curse this game, a sort of antithesis to DOA. I just don't feel like my reads are worth anything--few as they are--and getting reads is, right now, insanely difficult.

Thus, the goal to catch a single scumbag. That'd make me happy.

also talk about drizzx and elusive because i have them both as town for now for being annoying/abrasive and maybe that’s not the best approach.

Yeah, drizzx needs to be higher on that list.

(Speaking of them, though, you two really need to get in touch with me for a three-headed hydra some time.)

[mastin2]

I've said over and over on site that it's not the scummiest player that tends to get lynched D1; it's the least charismatic.

(For the record, the origin of that quote is MastinMD material. Fun mastina fact, but true.)

I think that was Mastin saying she was upset she drew town, not scum.

Sort-of.

Yes, I'm upset I'm not scum, but I'm also upset that nothing seems to be jiving for me. And literally nothing I can think of doing is helping me get any closer to being out of that rut. If I'm wrong I'd be thrilled, that I could do good. But it's terribly disappointing if I'm right, especially since I really don't feel any power to stop it.

Persivul's quotes are mostly wrong, though. Not really worth bothering to explain why.

2) mastin: as town, she's very involved and highly verbose. As scum, she's very verbose and highly involved.

Pardon? When have we played together? I don't remember any games with you. (Then again, I am

notorious

for the Fog Of Ages. Play in as many games as I do, and the facts begin to slip. Bulbazoor, Gratiutus, Atum, Grib, Persivul, LittleGumball, Riku, and you are all unfamiliar names to me playing wise--I of course know of some like Persivul from around the site--yet my memory is horrendously awful.)

[mastin2]

Pretty sure Prolapsed Brain's town, though.

[mastin2]

I really don't get why people think I'm bringing life into the game anyway.

I mean, I ramble all the time about my life.
I might bring life into the game if life is actually relevant to the game. (E.g. going to a funeral, business, v/la.)

But I'm not actually doing anything with it intentionally. It's just there as me talking because I like talking.

[mastin2]

'K, Klingon can die now.

Vote: Klingoncelt

.

[mastin2]

Maybe you'll think of a reason by then.

>Implying I didn't have one rather than

that message was typed at 1:45 am

. (I went to bed.)

I also instantly regret replacing into another multiball.

Eh?

I'm pretty sure this game's not multiscum?

[mastin2]

Yes, I'm upset I'm not scum, but I'm also upset that nothing seems to be jiving for me. And literally nothing I can think of doing is helping me get any closer to being out of that rut. If I'm wrong I'd be thrilled, that I could do good. But it's terribly disappointing if I'm right, especially since I really don't feel any power to stop it.

Was that jiving more systemic, or specifically this game?

Well, sort-of sitewide problem, but not really. It's mostly a this-game problem. Basically, however much not-jiving I may have in other games--past and present--this game has been a hundred times worse.

Other games I got out. This game, I think I could get out, but too early to say.

Mastin will have on the spot reads by at least day three if she makes it that far.

Stop putting me on a pedestal! I don't deserve it. (I wish I did. But I don't.)

VOTE: Oversoul
That wagon seems to have a good composition.

Well, you're not

wrong

, you're just...wrong.

(The wagon's names are fine so composition's okay--at least until Gumball that is--, the wagon itself sucks because Oversoul's town for that, not scum.)

Oversoul is town. Everyone go back to wagoning KC please.

^Have I mentioned AngryHeart is town?

[mastin2]

Mastin-sheeping, which I think is normal for games she's in.

FFS, I built into the flowchart for me a message saying, "When she says to trust her, trust her; when she tells you not to, take her reads with a grain of salt" and this is most distinctly the latter.

...Granted, I'd actually be okay with sheeping onto Klingon, but only a little bit: a lot would make me nervous because this isn't some slam-dunk 100% Cephrir-is-scum/DV-is-scum/Marquis-is-scum(well, SK) read I've got, it's a, "Well, this is probably accurate but not certainly so" read.

Mastin threw down a naked vote and as yet

still

hasn't explained it. We wait for her.

Basically, my thoughts on you weren't registering one way or another town or scum...until right then and there, where it instantly clicked as being, "

Warning! Hilariously Unbalanced 2 posting!

" to me. Which it sort-of still is with your current posting. It just feels more like your scumplay than your townplay right now.

[mastin2]

Mastin, you haven't the slightest idea what Town me is.

Actually, I have been able to identify with accuracy your townplay before. Details will not be revealed, but I've seen your scumplay intimately thanks to modding it and been exposed to your townplay.

That being said

, your statement isn't invalidated; you're actually right: I don't. I don't know your play for a fact. I could be wrong. But it doesn't FEEL wrong. So I'm sorry, I'm pursuing it for the time being.

[mastin2]

Been totally demotivated to play here. We had a number of pages shoot up overnight, I didn't feel like reading them, and yeah, got worse from there. Basically remember next to nothing.

Mastin, what do you think of Peregrine?

I obviously have none now, but I don't think I had one before, either. If I did, it certainly wasn't much of an opinion.

[mastin2]

I'm not actually feeling as great about Plot as I could be. Going to move them closer to null.

Honestly, I can see this.

Very Town: Mastin2, elusive, Oversoul, Drizzt
Town: Maxwell, Muffin, Banana?

I haven't really bothered to read any of elusive's posts or Muffin's for that matter (well maybe I read Muffin's, but I didn't process anything), so can't speak for them, but otherwise, I agree.

Very Town: Mastin2, elusive, Oversoul, Drizzt
Town: Triforcep, Maxwell, Muffin, PV
Weaker Town: Banana, Atum

LG, Grib, Bulb, Singer, Gratuitous are pretty solid votes atm.

You're not going to see me fight any of these reads, either, except maybe the Atum read. I personally thought that Grib looked decently town, though. Also, you left KC out of the pool yet didn't explain why, so I'd place Klingon back in.

[mastin2]

why don’t you like gumball?

It's not that I don't like gumball. It's that I have no opinion on gumball one way or another. The others who were on the Klingon wagon, however, I did have an opinion on.

Also, fair warning, while I technically have no time limit on this (I could pull an all-nighter if I so desired), (1) I shouldn't throw off my sleep schedule

that

badly, (2) even if I wanted to I'm not sure how conscious I could stay, (3) and even if I could, I'm not sure how much willpower I could muster for this game. (Not a problem of any of the players or with Titus. It's all me.)

I'll stay as long as I can manage, but this IS a fairly taxing process. A little bit physically (you'd be surprised how much work my body goes through: elevated temperatures, dehydration, lightheadedness, the list goes on and on, but I get them all from playing too much), quite a bit mentally (my mind begins to degrade after, oh, five or so pages of catch-up), and a ton emotionally.

/29.

[mastin2]

The bulletproof 3rd party lyncher joke is an inside joke: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5805779
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p5394738

*grumble, grumble, stillbitteryougottotalrevenge, gripe, gripe*

(Look at Anything Goes, AP's readslist there, his role, and what happened to him.
Look at Tales of you, my readslists overall, my role, and what happened to me.)

Mastin2 has RL clouding her functionality, so I can't get a read on her.

Well, I'll admit that real life has not been so great, and the problem I'm having is a problem I'm having everywhere, but honestly, nowhere's got it worse than here.

This is also the first time I’ve ever seen her say her reads might not be good which I’m not sure how to take as either alignment.

Bluntly if you think I'm arrogant, you don't know me at all.

Also, singer, I'm sorry, I'm probably going all Signs on you, but.

Your catchup really doesn't look town and Persivul was also not very town.

[mastin2]

/34.

I feel like doing this for the moment.

vote singer

.

Note the tag, lack of colon, and whatnot.

It's past 3 am, so I should probably be getting to bed.

Sorry.

[mastin2]

I'm pretty sure Plot would describe me as having an inertia problem this game, so I need to fix that.
Normal tactics aren't working, so I'm going to do something drastic and inflict on myself a HARD deadline:
If I don't get caught up by Friday (or very, very close to, at the very least), I'll ask for replacement.

That should be enough of an incentive to get me going.

[mastin2]

People want you out of the game because you are caustic and unpleasant, and you spend more time talking about other games that you've been modkilled in than you spend talking about this one.

For the record, I generally don't seem to have a problem with elusive, but I admit that's because I cheat: hard to have a problem with someone you're not really reading. (I'll skim elusive's posts, but I skim elusive's posts more than I skim everyone else's more or less. Reading them just isn't of interest to me, unless there's something groundbreaking, thus why I do at least skim.)

That said, do get the impression overall that elusive's more likely to be town than not, so there's that.

Also, for the record, Muffin, I consider you in games pretty much on the same level as I do elusive. You don't personally bother me, but for someone who is so harsh about elusive, I'd strongly consider looking in the mirror at your own play. Justsayin'.

Btw, still not liking singer, but I'm not sure I can ever really fix that.
VOTE: Klingoncelt.

/39.

[mastin2]

I am now caught up for the day. Greetings, Firebringer. Thanks for replacing in.
VOTE: Firebringer

Also, something about Plotinus's tone is seeming...off. Like...aggressive rather than laid back? That's the best word I have to describe it. The catch-ups themselves felt not the best but I can't describe why, and this is rather bothering me now. The town Plot I know is fairly objective and analytical; the Plot I'm seeing this game is undeniably feeling aggressive and to my understanding, that's how Plot operates as scum.

/41.

[mastin2]

MaxwellPuckett <--Still my top townread.
Drizzx <--Softclaim gets them up here.
Quoth The Pidgeon <--Eh, paranoia's starting to get me. Won't go down any further than this, though.
elusive/Firebringer <--Firebringer might not be major town, but elusive did look fairly town and the pressure on her sucked.
Oversoul <--Very much town.

Grib
The Blue Blur
PeregrineV
Riku
Muffin
Prolapsed Brain
LittleGumball
Gratuitous
Bulbazoor
TriforceP
The Goat

Atum
Banana Frog
Persivul/singersigner
Klingoncelt

See that middle section? Basically entirely flexible to change. It's probably not fully accurate; I left it pretty much unedited. But it's there all the same.

Admittedly I don't really feel strongly about any of these reads, so if you expect me to go all "singer is confscum!", not this time, sorry. (Even though she occupies the same slot as second-most suspicious. )

I could be convinced to change pretty much any of these reads given my overall lack of strength and memory, but they are what they are right now.

[mastin2]

255 by Mastin...what’s the point in giving a reads list if you think it sucks?

Well aside from letting others know where you are (even if on shaky grounds), it's a handy tool to let

yourself

know where you are. (See also, my Academy thread where I explain that concept.)

Feels town. Must vote!

Yeah, if you think there's any universe in which Firebringer's scum, I'm calling BS.

@Mastin: Hi! I don't know you or anything, but can you answer the same questions Grib did?

Town: part of my list, albeit incomplete. Scum: my list, albeit on shaky grounds. I want to see more

for myself

, not from anyone, because I've definitely not been well.

Hi Atum. <3 You, Firebringer, Drizzx, Pidgeon, Bulbazoor, and Oversoul are town. Klingon is scum. I kind of want to see more from mastin, actually, because I have no experience with her and she feels really hesitant, if I were to put it in one word. At any rate, I don't think she's scum with Klingon for 658, so that's a possible something.

^Seriously tempted to just bump him up to the town section.

On a similar vein, Prolapsed Brain is more likely town than not, and overall I'd say I'm vaguely liking Flubber(Riku) for town too, albeit not as much.
Interestingly, Bulbazoor is also climbing the town ranks for me. While not really reading him as town, I'm not reading him as scum and the push on him as being such just feels bad.

But I'd still lynch KC.

Well, it has my vote! (Literally.)

Why is singer still voting for elusive. I just. Ugh. We aren't lynching that.

This is the obligatory part where I say, "Because she's scum, duh".

[mastin2]

I find scum hard to fake an emotional wall post like that. I doubt that scum would even come up with that.

While true, I could never fake it as scum and even if I could I never would (because faking that sort of thing is hella unethical), that's no reason to townread me. Mental state is mental state. I happen to be town this game, but it is entirely possible for me to get into a mental funk as scum, too.

i love how in this game everyone is going
"x is town" or "x is scum"
and leaving it at that
it really helps scumhunting in general and i really find it a convincing case

I dunno why, but I kinda like this post, too. Something about it just doesn't feel like it's something scum would say, dunno what, just something.

littlegumball is also town

not sure if real opinion or ironic sarcasm

This, too.

Not sure how I really feel about the Gratuitous wagon--on the one hand, it came up kinda fast and I don't particularly have a scumread there, but on the other hand, none of the names on it really stick out as being "bad" for the most part (Blue Blur is the worst name there) and I don't have a townread (nor the inclination to push him more towards town that I have for Bulbazoor).

/47.

[mastin2]

I want to revise my list.

MaxwellPuckett
Drizzx
Quoth The Pidgeon
elusive/Firebringer
Oversoul

Grib
Riku/Flubbernugget
LittleGumball
Prolapsed Brain

Bulbazoor
The Blue Blur
PeregrineV
Muffin
TriforceP
The Goat
Gratuitous

Atum
Banana Frog
Persivul/singersigner
Klingoncelt

Something closer to this is more accurate.

[mastin2]

Well that's a personal record. I've now forgotten that I'm playing this game twice. Mod, please replace me if I'm not dead. Sincerest apologies, all.

Preeeeeeeeeeeeeeetty sure this is town.

Pretty solid scumreads are still Mastin[...].
Non-negotiable townreads are Quoth[...].

Does not compute. (You literally cannot take this stance if you have ANY familiarity with us.)

1234/1235 look really, really bad from singer, too.

Also, share the sentiment that PV's more likely town than not, but not nearly as strong as 98%. (Probably closer to...70% or so. That might be a bit high. 65%? Somewhere around there. 60 seems too low.)

/51.

[mastin2]

1287 is pretty terrible from Klingon, too.

(Blue Blur hits on a lot of the major points in 1289.)

I'm getting a lot of my reads more solidified around here, though. I'll see about a probably-close-to-final readslist in a sec.

/54.

[mastin2]

MaxwellPuckett
Drizzx
Quoth The Pidgeon
elusive/Firebringer
Oversoul

Riku/Flubbernugget
Grib
LittleGumball
Prolapsed Brain
The Goat/pisskop

Bulbazoor
The Blue Blur
PeregrineV

Muffin

TriforceP
Gratuitous

Atum

Banana Frog
Persivul/singersigner
Klingoncelt

Here we go. Rough tier of reads.

[mastin2]

Gratuitous might belong closer to Atum, butyeah, the above holds, more or less. Prolapsed Brain should be higher, too.

[mastin2]

Matsin makes a reads post and people do something about it but when we post something and ask for feedback to get the game rolling, everyone shrugs us off and calls us scum. Life is so unfair
~Sally

What makes it extra-sad is I explicitly say that my reads don't have much confidence behind them and yet people are interested in following them (seriously, Klingon gained three votes with more people interested after I began posting and I didn't even tell anyone to switch!), yet every time I push a read WITH confidence I end up ignored.

At this stage, I haven't the slightest clue what the composition of the Klingon/Gratuitous wagons is. Both town, both scum, one town and one scum, the other town and the other scum, it's difficult to lock anything down. To be honest, I think it'd be beneficial to get them both lynched, just to establish which it is, so that we have a more solid baseline for the game. That being, if both are scum then we can be sure that scum had some interest elsewhere but ultimately were divided between the wagons; if both are town, scum are evenly distributed because they didn't care which we lynched, and if one was town and the other scum, scum are less inclined to vote the scum one and more inclined to vote the town one but there may be some bussing involved.

[mastin2]

Gratuitous

(8): Quoth The Pidgeon, Flubbernugget, Prolapsed Brain, Firebringer, The Blue Blur, Muffin, Bulbazoor, TriforceP

Klingoncelt

(8): Atum, PeregrineV, Grib, pisskop, MaxwellPuckett, mastin2, Banana Frog, DRizzx

The Blue Blur

(2): singersigner, LittleGumball

PeregrineV

(1): Oversoul

Bulbazoor

(1): Gratuitous

Grib

(1): Klingoncelt

Theres atleast 1 scum off the dueling wagons, give me Grat for sure and probably Gumball.

Personally, I'm looking more at singer than Gumball. Grat/Kling staying off of each other, though, is certainly interesting. It does

vaguely

support the idea of it being dueling scum-scum wagons.

[mastin2]

Gumball's reaction is probably town, regardless of Kling/Gratuitous's alignments.

[mastin2]

You watching a Disney movie too right now, Klingon? I am watching little mermaid.

Well, not exactly Disney, but I watched The Last Unicorn last night! And have been heavily watching Disney films as of late--Treasure Planet, Atlantis: The Lost Empire, Tarzan...list goes on. No. shame. (Bit of an insult backfire, Kling.)

Gumball's reaction is probably town, regardless of Kling/Gratuitous's alignments.

Doesn't stop it from being irritating. (Even though you're probably wrong.)

It's BECAUSE it's irritating that I'm probably right. I could explain why if you'd like, but it's not really that relevant.

Also, will not join a Grib wagon.
Regardless of Kling's alignment and Gratuitous's alignment, dismantling their wagons is going to be an anti-town action.

The names on the wagon certainly aren't encouraging, either.

[mastin2]

lol that really took off

And that doesn't alarm you...why?

The Kling wagon and the Gratuitous wagon have both been gradually building over the day, the Kling wagon much moreso overall than the Grat wagon.

And then, suddenly, the Grib wagon literally shoots up overnight?

[mastin2]

Klingoncelt

(8): Atum, PeregrineV, Grib, MaxwellPuckett, mastin2, Banana Frog, Drizzx, singersigner

Grib

(5): Firebringer, The Blue Blur, Klingoncelt, LittleGumball, Muffin

Gratuitous

(5): Quoth The Pidgeon, Flubbernugget, Prolapsed Brain, Bulbazoor, TriforceP

Like, I'm pretty sure that I'd be willing to join the Gratuitous wagon JUST because, solely, 100%, just because, it fell apart for a flashwagon on Grib.

[mastin2]

The duelling Gratuitous and Klingon wagons will still be valuable for VCA when we have some flips.

^That.

Admittedly, the Grib wagon adds to that...but mainly it goes to demonstrate why Grib is so hilariously town and the wagons on both Kling and Gratuitous are far more likely to be on scum.

Like...they were both near lynch. L-2 and L-3. Neither one of them were forced to claim.

Suddenly...BAM. With no claim. Nothing but AtE. The wagon on Grib forms, and continues to grow, literally overnight. (Seriously, I was here Saturday. There wasn't a Grib wagon. It's Sunday. Now there is.)

You fail scumhunting 101 if you don't realize the implications of that.

[mastin2]

Disney's very misogynistic and way behind the times/out of touch.

Yeah, can safely ignore Klingon now.

I think this grib wagon guarantees grat is scum

Good GOD I'm agreeing with Flubbernugget on something.

I'M. AGREEING. WITH. FLUBBER.

For shame, people.

For.

Shame.

(Looking at you, AP.)

What this tells me is most likely scum are moving from one wagon to the other, so Grat and Grib are likely town. The Kling wagon means Kling is probably scum because scum don't want to join that wagon.

Not necessarily scum moving from one to another. Why switch from one mislynch with momentum, to another mislynch that may not have the same momentum? Far more likely is that scum would switch from a scum name to a town name.

Thus, Grib a mislynch, Grat not one.

[mastin2]

Dead serious here, btw.

I'm heavily considering knocking

every

member of the Grib wagon down a notch in my readslist purely from their presence on it.

[mastin2]

VOTE: Grib

VOTE: grib

(^This one's exempt from the knockdown because hydra dissonance; Sala had the right idea.)

UNVOTE: Gratuitous because I'm not so sure that he's Scum
VOTE: Grib because I'm certain that he's Scum.
ISO him, people.

vote: grib

This is a wagon I'm willing to get behind. Just ISO'd him and gratuitous and I've seen far less content from grib than the two big wagons and i'm willing to give kling and grat a shot at surviving.

lol that really took off
VOTE: Grib

VOTE: Grib
I didn't think this would happen, but there you go.
Is it not possible that scum were already on the dueling wagons, Blue Blur? There were like.. 16 peeps on the wagons total. I'll reevaluate (iso grib again) in the morning but I'm happy going to bed tonight with this.

Six votes in three hours and 39 posts.

VOTE: Grib
Would be willing to lynch any of the six from my scumlist.

Ya Grib is scum.
VOTE: Grib

^With both of these added within two hours of each other, for a total of 60 posts separating them and less than 24 hours--about 15 or so hours total to get that high.

Very much not a town wagon.

[mastin2]

I'd like to know why you think Gumball is town. Convince me.

AP, you're seriously starting to concern me.

And I do mean seriously.

Because of all the people in this game.

You most of all should understand the reason why I read that as being town from Gumball. There's scum desperation then there's town crazy. That was town crazy.

They are both good wagons.

Then why not be on the Gratuitous wagon which you had my support for?

Implications be damned, these are the 2 scummiest people in the game and wagons on them are neither surprising nor scum-motivated.

I never really got why people are calling Grib scum. Nothing about him seems scum and there are plenty of flashes which look quite town. Gratuitous I can more understand because there aren't really any flashes one way or another, butstill, there's a reason I've been voteparking Kling the majority of the game--Gratuitous is probably scum just from the atmosphere of the game, sure, yeah, Grib is town, but Kling has done and said legit scum things.

Hello, I've been saying Gratuitous is pretty freaking scum all game.

Yes...and you abandoned the wagon there which had momentum going for it (I was ready to switch!), in favor of a wagon that I am vehemently against.

I was thinking about this too, but then I remembered my BEES game where all the flashwagons went from one town to another town.

Mastin, the more I read ^these^ posts the more I want to use my vigilante role on this tonight.

[/quote] Hey, no objections here. They're still a scumread of mine.

[mastin2]

Mastin hey girl hey
You like town more than scum right?

(Just in case you're actually serious, the above should tell you:

no

.)

Btw, I hereby officially declare Salamence to be an inverse Titus: whereas Titus is always scum in her hydras with her partner town, Sala is always town in his hydras with his partner scum.

[mastin2]

Matsin, tell oversoul hes wrong so we can Get Grat.

We'd get better results if I told him he was right.

Please explain how dismantling 2 Town wagons is anti-Town.

Well to put it bluntly, because we don't know they're on town. Every time there's dueling town wagons that grow this large and at least one of them falls for a flashwagon elsewhere, it is an exception to the general rule that one of the wagons at minimum was on scum. Badly worded, not sure how to get the concept across, but basically, even discarding reads (which point to Grib town anyway), the wagons themselves can suggest alignment.

Mastin, could you please, pretty please point out some towny things Grib posted?

It'd be a lie to say everything, but...everything that's really anything?

St Constantine the Hermit replaces Grib

You know, my passion for fighting the Grib wagon just suddenly died down.

Wonder why?

[mastin2]

WOTC HERMIT

Honestly, if my last post didn't make it obvious, I can...kinda get behind supporting this.

[mastin2]

Why are you voting Kling still?

Honestly, because I saw a couple of Kling votes, and was waiting for a good VC to make a judgment.

Then the next time I was around, the thread was already locked, so it was too late to back out, soyeah. Very easily could have, and did consider it, but ultimately made a deliberate choice not to move.

You're not really going to see me apologize, though.

Also,

St Constantine the Hermit

(6): LittleGumball, Muffin, MaxwellPuckett, Bulbazoor, Klingoncelt

Gratuitous

(1): TriforceP

While the Constantine wagon looks pretty dang good (and Constantine's request to be investigated only makes him all the more scum), the complete disintegration of the Gratuitous wagon pretty much means Grat's slot is scum, soyeah.

VOTE: Honey Bee.

[mastin2]

Fuck it.
VOTE: Atum

I'm also scum reading Banana Frog and singer.

Dammit, TTH, you're scum, aren't you?


...When has the town you ever been

so agreeable

with me?

[mastin2]

I don't know about singersinger. What I do know is that I didn't die last night, and Drizzx

DID

try to solicit information out of me half a dozen times. He also went back and forth on what he originally stated about his ability.

I want both Constantine and singer dead.

I happen to also want the Gratuitous slot dead, but I want Constantine and singer dead, too.

[mastin2]

(Yes, I know, probably have too many scum given the scumreads on Atum and Plot's hydra, but I don't remember the number of scum this game and am too lazy to look. Plus it's more like, not so much having too many as it is, too far conflicting to actually be accurate. Oh, and that I'm alive when I'd be dead if they were right. But I have them all the same.)

[mastin2]

(Okay, admittedly, there's paranoia about the extreme lack of resistance to the Grat/Honey Bee wagon, but I still want to be on it in spite of that little niggle of concern in my mind.)

[mastin2]

RE
FUCKING
SIS
TANCE.

I admit it, I loled. (Do like Sala's play here, btw, if that wasn't already obvious enough.)

Very, very strongly thinking Banana Frog is scum all of a sudden, though.

Honey Bee (11) - The Blue Blur, PeregrineV, St Constantine the Hermit, mastin2, TriforceP, Firebringer, Atum, Banana Frog, Flubbernugget, LittleGumball, pisskop

Drizzx (1) - singersigner
St. Constantine the Hermit (1) - Drizzx
Atum (1) - Quoth The Pidgeon
Not Voting (6) - Prolapsed Brain, Muffin, Honeybee, Oversoul, MaxwellPuckett, Bulbazoor

Not exactly too terribly fond of the wagon's composition all the same, though. It's got townreads in there like Blue Blur, PV (very weak one), Firebringer, Flubber, and pisskop, plus my Gumball read, but it's also got some of my better scumreads: Constantine, Atum, and Banana Frog.

Not to mention, the only name not looking town in Not Voting is the wagonee themselves, which isn't a promising sign. :/

I suppose the flip will do the talking, though.

[mastin2]

Bees!

*shudder*

...Don't mention bees around me

ever again

, please.
















(Injoke.)

[mastin2]

(I mean, I was a god of them! Now look at me, a mere mortal woman. Losing all that power in such a manner...very traumatic. )

[mastin2]

Plotfrog and Singer: DO NOT STALL THIS WAGON.

Well to be fair, plotfrog is probably scum with Honeybee

^.

Vote: Honeybee.

[mastin2]

Also, I hate this game.

[mastin2]

I just have zero interest in posting in this game.

That's how much disinterested I am right now.

The lack of kills, that the judge

pardoned our freakin lynch

, all the pointless arguments going on right now...

If I were in top-shape, I'd be able to tell people, flatly, to shut up, stop the town fighting, focus on the scum lurking, maybe with one or two scum involved in the talking and identified, and whatnot.

It's just that I really, really am hating this game right now. So I'm nowhere near top-shape.

[mastin2]

I have this radical idea.

How about we stop being so overly focused on the roles and focus on pure, simple scumhunting?

With the possible exception of singer, my reads basically haven't changed since the last time I posted a readslist...and that was ages ago.
Know why it hasn't changed?

Because all this talk of roles and whatnot has been absolutely worthless.

[mastin2]

VOTE: Firebringer

The Firebringer wagon did, does, and shall forever continue to, suck. It is a blatant counterwagon to Honey Bee.

[mastin2]

VOTE: ronit (Bulba's replacement)

Bulba was a counterwagon to Honey Bee.
Firebringer was the other.

Both are town.

[mastin2]

Oh.

Knew I was forgetting something.

My bad.

VOTE: Saint Constantine the Hermit.

[mastin2]

VOTE: ronit (Bulba's replacement)

Bulba was a counterwagon to Honey Bee.
Firebringer was the other.Both are town.

You were in Dead on Arrival so I know you know this method is crap.

There the wagons on scum made sense, a-la Attack on Titan.

Here they don't, so.

Also, totally unmotivated to really do much. When I say nothing's changed.
I kinda mean it. Nothing's changed, there's no real alteration in my reads.

[mastin2]

Like.

Constantine is still my preferred lynch.
Plotfrog behind them is probably my second.
I'm not sure from there, maybe Atumslot.

I could probably easily look at who is who in the game and say town or scum, but the above three should be enough.

[mastin2]

and my role is realyl fun

ika confirmed for scum, justsayin'.

[mastin2]

If Matsin is town, Im pissed that shes not playing now that the distraction is removed from play

The distractions are still in play.

People are still debating roles.
People are still running in circles about players.
My reads still haven't changed that notably.

I can restate my reads easily.
But I'm in no mood to fight the wagons. Even though I'm pretty sure Oversoul/ronit/Firebringer are all town.

In this town, either people listen or they don't. Vote or don't. I could probably figure out a way to get them going my way if I really wanted to, but I don't have the willpower in me. It's just...too much noise. I've got enough of a burden on me already; this game would add too much if I made it as much of a burden as my other burden.

[mastin2]

Yea Fire's still town.

And so was the Bulb slot and so is Oversoul.

Just like singer was scum (no surprise there), and Triforce was town (also no surprise).

I still think this is the right move, though.

VOTE: Saint Constantine the Hermit.
Could also vote Atumslot (ika?) or Plotfrog. (I don't think I'm forgetting anyone, would have to double-check.)

Yeah may not be all scum, but pretty much guaranteed to be the majority of the scum.

[mastin2]

Anyone wanna remove constantine from the game?

If I thought he was town, I'd WOTC him.
But I happen to think he's scum, soooooooooooooooooooo...yeah. Lynch away!

[mastin2]

Masti/singer?

...

No.

For me to be scum requires a double-bus.

I read somewhere that mastin seems more town and forewithcoming as scum

And I haven't been town nor pretty forewithcoming soooooooooo...

[mastin2]

^^im worried thats scum

Prolapsed

was

a townread, but is momentarily down to null, pending me actually efforting the game. There are a couple of VERY key moments in the game which PB is involved in, and depending on what I see (I can't remember the details, only that they were vital and alignment-revealing), you very well may be right. He's a figure of interest, just not one I'm focusing on. (Well, not like I'm really focusing on anyone, butstill, point remains, I think I can figure his alignment out, I just haven't set aside the time to do so.)

[mastin2]

The Blue Blur
elusive/Firebringer
The Goat/pisskop

MaxwellPuckett
Quoth The Pidgeon
Riku/Flubbernugget
Oversoul

LittleGumball/farside22

PeregrineV
Prolapsed Brain

Banana Frog
Atum/ika
Grib/Constantine

Actually bothered to do a readslist. Approximately this should be up-to-date. The top/middle's the most inaccurate, the bottom's the most accurate.

[mastin2]

Mastin, can I ask why I'm a townread? My play and attention to this game have been abysmal recently. I realize that read might be left over from earlier or something.

You pretty much answered your own question, there, m'friend.

Pretty much every name up there (except Blue Blur, Firebringer, pisskop, and maybe Oversoul) is a remnant of an earlier time in the thread.

It's the down reads (the scumreads) that have remained fresh.
Atum was always a scumread, and ika's hilariously within his scum meta. I still hold a feeling PlotFrog is scum. And I'm voting Grib/Constantine.

With Prolapsed Brain there at null, pending research, and PV at null because PV's, well. Null.

[mastin2]

Mastina, your read on me is based on ONE scum game that I played back in June, and the only person I was being aggressive towards in that game was my buddy.

Actually, no. Past games play no part in the read at all. It's purely from this game.

I just have thought that most of your pushes have been scum-driven.

Doesn't mean they were, and you're not my first choice for voting (you're my third) because I'd be the first to admit I could be wrong, but I stand by my gut feelings, here. I simply don't think your play here has been motivated towards town, but this isn't exactly a rock-solid thing. It's a weak thing. (How do I explain it? Especially when tired? Not sure.) I'm not voting you because I know I could be wrong, and there's definitely things that make me want you to be town and make me want to work with you, it's just that I put less stock into them overall.

So basically, evidence and desire is there for you to be town, but feelings off of pushes (for instance, on Oversoul and excusing the ronit one in just the quoted post) are stronger for you to be scum, albeit not by much.

[mastin2]

I wonder if your even reading the game

Reading, yes.

Processing, why the hell would I?

Noisenoisenoise, no thank you, I'd rather tune it out.

Content I pay attention to.
Guess what we've had very little of.

[mastin2]

The person who saved honeybee day one was Atum.

ika's slot? Makes sense.

[mastin2]

matsin is 69% scum, for not voting Grat D1 despite showing reason (bus),

Dude, I was waiting for a VC to switch.

One didn't happen before momentum on Klingon built.

I very much supported the Grat lynch, AND pushed singer/Persivul.

[mastin2]

Also, if Constantine really is town, I'm gonna WOTC him so fast after this.

Way ahead of ya.

[mastin2]

A judge has 48 hours to approve to reject the lynch.[/b]

Hey guess who WON'T be getting lynched today because the judge will be pardoning them thanks to lolscumjudge?

[mastin2]

Matsin, can You lynch constantine plz

Dude, my vote's been on Constantine the whole day.

And damn right that if I were the scum judge, Constantine's alignment regardless, I'd let the lynch go through.

[mastin2]

VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

So while I fully think Prolapsed is a probable candidate for being scum, what I want to do is be a rebel.

VOTE: ika.

I mean, you don't really need my support for lynching Prolapsed, so I can afford to vote who I want.

If for some ungodly reason I'm wrong and you

do

need my support to lynch Prolapsed, well, then, yeah, I'll switch, but until then, just hanging around here on otherscum.

[mastin2]

(Because, really. Atum looked bad, and ika's just scumposting. Period.)

[mastin2]

Hey, the scum judge let Constantine be lynched, give them credit there.

...Admittedly a scumteam with Constantine on it would have to be pretty stupid and masochistic in order to

not

off him, butstill.

[mastin2]

(Also, yeah. I popped in here because day began meaning I could lay down a vote, but I DO have greater commitments elsewhere that need to be handled more desperately than right here does.)

[mastin2]

can we go back to lynching scum again?

Sure thing.

VOTE: ika.

This dude's confscum, btw.

[mastin2]

Also, this is probably a bad thing to say given that they are literally just voting along-side me and supporting me, but I've got this theory about plotfrog.

It basically goes that they're either one of the last two scum (I think we have two scum left? Would need to double-check the setup) who happens to have been bus-happy this game, oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooorr...they're actually the SK. Particularly the latter. Why?

Well...to put things simply...because Plotinus doesn't exactly have much confidence in themself right now, as shown here.

I'm being wrong a lot lately and it's irritating and frustrating and all of my recently completed town games have been so godawful that I've been embarrassed, especially coupled with burden of profficiency from players who haven't seen me since June/July when I still knew what I was doing. So when I fall on my arse yet again like I did with ronit it is frustrating and tiring...but I feel like I've turned a corner where I don't even have it in me to self-flagellate about it because it's not

new

it's just whelp Plotinus was wrong again, so it goes.

Also, I'm starting to get some enthusiasm for playing mafia back because I'm modding my first game and it is so exciting and fun and I'm happy for the first time since July and I'm having fun writing flavour and mafia's just starting to feel like something fun instead of a chore or a constant reminder of how stupid I am. And the changes to the newbie queue make me want to start ICing again and I'm just...feeling better. Finally. And I've had 4-5 days to get over feeling dumb about ronit and those 4-5 days have been filled with happiness and light. And the singer scumflip makes me happy because at least I was right about that, even though that was more frogger's read than mine. And I was correctly townreading the others too.

So I can either sit in a lump about how I'm too dumb to play mafia because reading people is

hard

and interacting with people is

hard

and understanding what people mean is

hard

and not taking everything literally is

hard

, or I can realise that other people are wrong about things all the time, if they weren't then large themes would be 10 pages long instead of 300 pages wrong because we'd just all be right about everything by page 5. I'm getting my confidence back so I'm saying fuck it and posting frog pictures at people because frogs are cute and because I said in the signup thread that I would.

...But in spite of that, Plotfrog has actually done decently.

...This is a horrible, GODAWFUL explanation.
Gah.
I wish I had the proper words for it.
Basically they feel like they're scum of some sort in spite of having helped get rid of scum, their attitude just seems like it, but I can't properly verbalize this.

...Still want ika dead first, though. Cross the Plotfrog bridge when we get to it.

[mastin2]

do I actually need to read this game or is it pretty much autowin

Well your slot's under a fair amount of suspicion, so reading would probably be in your best interest, but the game's PROBABLY in autowin mode.

Just lynch ika.

[mastin2]

there isn't a guilty on him or anything but he's on our radar, too.

Ah, but there is a guilty...from a certain point of view.

i ant new ablitied i already got cop clear on amstin (still bad town though)

2 Town Investigative Roles (Klingon and Triforce)
2 Town Protecting (Drizzzx, Farside)
1 Town Killing
1 Town Messaging
1 Town Miscellaneous PR (Prolasped)
3 Town Anything Roles
5 Vanilla Townies (Ronit, Muffin)

1 Scum Manipulator (Grat)
1 Scum Chaos Creator (Singer)
1 Scum Investigative (St. constantine)
2 Scum Anything
1 Third-Party Killer (Arson)

Unconfirmed Roles:

The Blue Blur: Doctor
Pisskop: Neighborizer
Quoth the Pidgeon: Roleblocker

Btw: if there's any PR claim at all, ika becomes confscum. Look at this list carefully. Doctor with two flipped protectives = one anything role. If you believe Quoth to be town (I do), that's another of the two. Pisskop takes the messaging role. The Drixx/ZX hydra was our killing role (Neighborizing Psychotic Jailkeeper), which leaves ika claiming cop with only one anything slot left.

So if there's any PR claim at all, they don't even have to claim what their PR is, just have to claim to be one, we can speedlynch ika as confscum.

[mastin2]

...Make that ika claiming pretender, but same deal holds.

The miscellaneous slot is already filled.

Thus, any PR claim means that ika's scum.

[mastin2]

...And while I'd like to make the scum think I'm more of a threat than I actually am, sadly, by the above, I've already accidentally shown my hand and given away that I am a VT. Which should've been obvious from my very early posting

anyway

.

[mastin2]

Also,

Dude I could have toldyou matsin is shitty town

Cut the crap, Sala.

My accuracy this game, bluntly, has been higher than yours.

While I was on the Klingon mislynch, I was willing to switch to the wagon on scum, I was just waiting for a VC to see how practical that'd be.
Every other time, I've been ON the lynch of scum, and OFF the lynch of town.

You can't say the same.

[mastin2]

mastin shut you your already teribble enough we dont need more of you VI positng on how worn gyou are i jsut want to be lynch so i can shove it post game and hold it forevr to you

Yeah, just for clarity.

Let's say you're town.

That no player claims a role, therefore clearing you as town.

Won't work on me in a future game.

We've been over this. Referencing my failures is a good way to get me to scumread you. Which, no matter your alignment, is contrary to your goal.

[mastin2]

(I also called singer/Persivul as scum, btw, so there's no holding that read against me, either. In short...my reads this game haven't been perfect, sure, but they've been top-notch.)

[mastin2]

NO.

Facts don't lie.

I voted for scum every day except D1. (Well I voted singer so technically I VOTED scum D1, I just didn't stay there.) And you can argue yesterday depending on ika. I was on Grat D2. I was on Grat/Honey Bee D3. Both times, among the first to join the wagon, and, critically, never leaving it. (I don't think even you hold that.)

I was on Constantine after that. Both on D4 and D5. You know, the scum YOU DEFENDED which I was calling scum. Then on D6, I wasn't on the PB wagon. I also wasn't on the Bulb/whatshisname wagon that happened D4 against my desires.

So let's recap.
On D1, I called singer scum. I missed the mark otherwise.
On D2, I correctly called not only Grib/Constantine scum, but also was one of the first voters on Grat/Honey Bee.
On D3, I immediately voted Honey Bee and never left the wagon.
On D4, I went to Grib/Constantine and resisted the mislynch wagon because I knew it was a mislynch.
On D5, I was still on Grib/Constantine early and often, not on policy but because I thought he was scum and was right. (Yes. Iso me. I was calling Constantine scum. NOT a policy-vote. SCUM. I happened to think that if he were town I wouldn't miss him, sure, but I still thought he was scum all the same and was right.)
On D6, I thought the role evidence against PB was enough that a wagon there was justified, given PB was a null read, but I didn't actually join the wagon because I didn't feel like it.

What about that record is crap?
D1, sure.
But if anything, you have reason to call my record

too damn good

, as in, suspiciously

accurate

.
Sure as hell isn't crap.

Whereas with you...

Honeybee

(10): mastin2, Quoth The Pidgeon, Banana Frog, Flubbernugget, pisskop, MaxwellPuckett, The Blue Blur, farside22, Prolapsed Brain, Firebringer

I'm literally the first name on the lynch. You are near the rear. Which meant you unvoted and came back much later wagon-wise.

ronit (10): TriforceP, farside22, The Blue Blur, ika, singersigner, Banana Frog, MaxwellPuckett, Prolapsed Brain, St Constantine the Hermit, Flubbernugget
St Constantine the Hermit (1): mastin2

Look at me, I'm voting scum Constantine, whereas you're voting town ronit.

St Constantine the Hermit - mastin2, pisskop, Banana Frog, Quoth the Pidgeon, The Blue Blur, Prolapsed Brain, PeregrineV, ika

And here I am as the first voter on Constantine again.

That was not me policy-lynching.

Seriously, control-F me on Constantine.

I don't know about singersinger. What I do know is that I didn't die last night, and Drizzx

DID

try to solicit information out of me half a dozen times. He also went back and forth on what he originally stated about his ability.

I want both Constantine and singer dead.
I happen to also want the Gratuitous slot dead, but I want Constantine and singer dead, too.

Oh, look at me, NAMING THREE DEAD SCUM AS MY PREFERRED LYNCHES.

Anyone wanna remove constantine from the game?

If I thought he was town, I'd WOTC him.
But I happen to think he's scum, soooooooooooooooooooo...yeah. Lynch away!

This is me explicitly stating I'd WOTC him if I thought his play was town, but that I don't, that I think he's scum.

The Blue Blur
elusive/Firebringer
The Goat/pisskop

MaxwellPuckett
Quoth The Pidgeon
Riku/Flubbernugget
Oversoul

LittleGumball/farside22

PeregrineV
Prolapsed Brain

Banana Frog
Atum/ika
Grib/Constantine

Actually bothered to do a readslist. Approximately this should be up-to-date. The bottom's the most accurate.

Oh, look, Constantine is at the bottom of my readslist, meaning he's my NUMBER ONE SCUMSPECT.

My reads have not been perfect.

But to call them crap is downright insulting.
Objectively, they have been better than yours since D2.

Yes they weren't good D1, yes they were bad D1, but every day since then I have, consistently, been on scum. (Aside from the unconfirmed ika who is scum if there's so much as a single PR claim.)

[mastin2]

You didnt do shit other than lurk until today.

Because I never have felt the need to.

People were lynching Honey Bee without me telling them that it needed to be done. But had they not, then yes I would have.
People were lynching Constantine without me telling them that it needed to be done. Had they not, I would have.
People were mislynching ronit, and I do hold fault for not stopping that, but honestly I just wasn't in the mood to fight at the time. Ronit was the weakest of the Oversoul/Firebringer/ronit townreads, so I figured no harm in letting it go through; we could afford to take the hit and it'd get people's heads out of their asses to lynch Constantine.
People were suspecting singer without me telling them she was scum. I won't lie and say I'd have pushed her if not, though, because admittedly I can't really read singer that well and I was mainly scumreading her off of Persivul. But she was there as a scumread.

Simply put, though, there's never been a need for me to step up my game and push someone hard. This is similar to Steven Universe mafia in that regard: I didn't feel the need to step up when it was just noisenoisenoise, until I was convinced the town was heading down the wrong path. Then, BAM, I nailed Frogger and Maxwell right off the bat and was suspicious of Titus. And after they died, I took the back seat again because I held no strong beliefs anymore that needed to be said, which allowed for the Sonic lynch. (Because I no longer felt he was town.)

I hold no disrespect for your abilities.
In fact I hold extreme respect for them.
I think you're a good scumhunter. Your skills are on par with mine.
But mine are not inferior to the point where you can call them crappy.

[mastin2]

Like.

The idea of calling one of

the objectively most accurate scumhunters in the game

a VI is...pretty laughable.

It's not like I waffled on those names.
Or unvoted them.
Or ever stopped suspecting them. (Okay I did kinda let off on singer once she became singer, but I still thought her posting was bad and still thought Persivul's posting was scum, so.)

I didn't push them as hard as I could, sure.
That is by no means a reason to call me a VI.
It's a reason to call me lazy, sure.
It's a reason to maybe suspect I'm scum, sure. (Well it'd require me being scum with immunity butstill.)
But VI?

Village idiot means being an idiot.
Being right in reads is the polar opposite of being a village idiot.

I've been content to be here humble about it. Prior to today, I've not bragged about having right reads (in contrast to you, Sala, who have tried rubbing your reads in our faces every day), I've not called into question the competency of a player (in contrast to you, Sala, who...has done plenty), I've been sitting content in my corner, knowing that I've done good but not perfectly, and never bringing it up because contrary to my reputation, I am not an arrogant asshole.

But there's only so much shitting on my posting I can take before I call you out on your bullshit.
I'm not perfect, sure. But I'm sure as hell no village idiot.

[mastin2]

Also, temporarily,
VOTE: BBMolla.

Until there's a PR counterclaim, ika shouldn't be voted because without a PR counterclaim, all town roles would be accounted for.

[mastin2]

(Which, again, is why I stress a PR, not-PR claim.
I'm not asking for a massclaim.
One isn't necessary.
Just a PR, not-PR claim.
If nobody fancies coming out and claiming to be a PR, then by necessity all our claimed PRs are town.)

[mastin2]

(Technically speaking, of course, it's

theoretically

possible for ika to be scum if nobody else claims, thanks to the town anything potentially being a VT, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut, as much fun as it would be to lynch ika, I cannot, because that is acting in a violation of occam's razor and also in violation of optimal town play, which is to assume he's telling the truth and to use his role.
Again, though. If there's a PR claim, ika's confscum. If no PR claims, ika

could

be scum but should NOT be lynched because that possibility is remote.)

[mastin2]

did anyone read any of masints post? cus i sure didnt

Though I still think ika's scum anyway.

Read Inorganic Chemistry.

This is how he treats me when he's scum.

Read any game where he's town with me.
That's how he treats me when I'm town.
Very sharp contrast.

Then there's his buddying of Sala, which is his scum meta.

Sadly, though. Again. Unless there's a PR claim, leaving him alive is the optimal play.

[mastin2]

Fitting for a slot that's been lazy-ass the whole game.

[mastin2]

Fitting for a slot that's been lazy-ass the whole game.

Are you scum?

No, but you've been hanging around as a top candidate of mine since before you were even in the game.

I've yet to see anything that'd convince me otherwise.

[mastin2]

Quoth the Pidgeon (Heartless Escorts tell no tales) - Shotgunned repeatedly Night 6

I had not seen a night action. This was the result of that action. Nothing else is changed.

Just for clarity's sake: this is a scum action, yes?

[mastin2]

Can you fullclaim or Im calling you a scum neighborizer.

Okay mr. calling-me-a-VI, take a good look at the setup and tell me with our claimed PRs how pisskop can be scum when he NEEDS to be town with our current claims.

ika? Ika can theoretically be scum.
pisskop cannot. Not unless we get a Messaging claim, because Neighborizer is a messaging role.

[mastin2]

Well now that my role has been confirmed can we move on?

There was never doubt about your role.

Your alignment is what's in question.

[mastin2]

Also,

Youre town, and Im town. This is an arguement over who has the bigger balls, and guess what? I dont give a shit.

If that were the case, then you should NOT have gone around calling me a VI.

If you call me a VI, I'm going to defend myself unless the accusation happens to be true.

This game, it most certainly has not been, soyeah.

Stop calling my competency into question, and I'll drop the argument on my end. Because it was YOU who started it.

[mastin2]

Actually, ika can be town.

2 Town Investigative Roles (Klingon and Triforce)
2 Town Protecting (

The Blue Blur

, Farside) (+Quoth)
1 Town Killing (Drizzzx)
1 Town Messaging (

pisskop

)
1 Town Miscellaneous PR (Prolasped)
3 Town Anything Roles (Quoth, ?, ?)
5 Vanilla Townies (Ronit, Muffin,

me

, ?, ?)

1 Scum Manipulator (Grat)
1 Scum Chaos Creator (Singer)
1 Scum Investigative (St. constantine)
2 Scum Anything
1 Third-Party Killer (Arson)

ika: Pretender

Drizzzx is the only claimed killing role we have, therefore cannot be our Messanging role or a protective role or an Anything role. (It's classified as being all three, but drawing it once doesn't mean it counts for being all three; there's a reason there could theoretically be up to six of them albeit incredibly improbable.)

With this, we can pretty much safely establish that there's two Anythings unaccounted for (Quoth/Blur/Klingon meaning one is an extra protective and therefore Anything, but all others are accounted for). So unless both were VTs and we have no PRs left in the game, well, ika's pretty much town.

[mastin2]

Just to confirm, though:

Titus: is it theoretically possible for the setup to contain six Neighborizing Psychotic Jailkeepers?

One from protecting, one from killing, one from messaging, and three from Anything?

[mastin2]

I DIDNT CALL YOU A VI.

Might as well have by calling me such things as bad-town and crap-town.

Anyone find it odd that mastin is still alive?

You'd have a point if not for the fact that this game is literally filled to the brim with ways to hinder nightkills and which has caused, on multiple nights, no death.

You literally look like you're just looking for a mislynxh

This is kind what I am seeing.

Much as investigating me was a complete waste, though, you have to contend with the ika inno on me.

[mastin2]

Is mas beetlujicing

Well I don't have anything better to do in this game, so yes. I am.

I'm coming when mentioned and making talk and then leaving after that since I have nothing better to do.

[mastin2]

She hasn't really lead any scum lynches this game, or anything. And while you could say mastin is a strong town player, she's said repeatedly that this isn't one of her best games, so...

Well, BEST game is a hard milestone to reach given some of my past feats, soyeah, not a 'best' game, but actually, this has been a pretty good game. I may not have

pushed

a scum lynch, but I've had a pretty accurate scumdar overall so while I haven't pulled my weight around, I still think I've done a good job.

I mean, my readslist may not be perfect, but I do want to more or less go through it lynch by lynch, and Molla's pretty much at the bottom right now, thus, my vote.

[mastin2]

Sorry Plot. <3

And I'll need to think about that claim a bit.

[mastin2]

[quote="In post 3795, mastin2"]2 Town Investigative Roles (Klingon and Triforce)
2 Town Protecting (

The Blue Blur

, Farside) (+Quoth,

Plotfrog

)
1 Town Killing (Drizzzx)
1 Town Messaging (

pisskop

)
1 Town Miscellaneous PR (Prolasped) (+

ika

)
3 Town Anything Roles (Quoth,

Plotfrog

,

ika

)
5 Vanilla Townies (Ronit, Muffin,

me

,

Molla

,

Oversoul

) (+

Firebringer

)

1 Scum Manipulator (Grat)
1 Scum Chaos Creator (Singer)
1 Scum Investigative (St. constantine)
2 Scum Anything
1 Third-Party Killer (Arson)

ika: Pretender
Plotfrog: Bulletproof


Maxwell/Flubber unclaimed.

But at this stage, might be best to lynch in the VTs.
I firmly believe that Blue Blur is town.
If Plotfrog is a serial killer, then the scum will want them gone a lot more than we do.
If ika is scum, then it will become obvious with time--plus, the arsonist will want him gone a lot more than we do. And if ika is town, scum want him gone sooner rather than later.
In other words, unless we get a PR claim, I think lynching a VT is the best bet.

And of them, I still think elusive was massively town no matter how meh-inducing Firebringer's play has been, and I still think Oversoul's play has been town. 'Course, that would carry the implication that I'm wrong on one or both of Maxwell/Flubber, but honestly at this stage I wouldn't mind that.

Still, though. Cross that bridge when we come to it. I want a Molla lynch today because I still think Molla holds the highest chance of flipping scum. The slot's basically the one with the least going for it the entire game.

[mastin2]

For the record, I think Oversoul's initial stance may have been his way of saying he was expecting to be conftown.

That's possible bravado from scum, but I don't think so.

I need to take another look at Flubber to see if Flubber's town or not, butyeah, still thinking molla's best bet for scum.

[mastin2]

Perhaps, If it'd had only been suggested once, I'd be inclined to agree with you, but having suggested it multiple times, it's enough that I feel the need to continue to keep a heavy eye on Oversoul.
Outside of that I'm looking at: Peregrine, who's beginning I was not a fan of at all, and hasn't done much to rectify that.
Prolapsed: Who hasn't posted much at all in the way of content
Bulbazoor: Who's recent play makes me content not to move my previously RVS vote off of him

How much do you wanna bet this isn't an all-town list? Especially the latter three?

My primary town reads are Banana Frog, Muffin, and Maxwell whose thought processes seem the most logical to me from a town perspective.

Figured I'd bring this up. Could be all town, could also mean Maxwell could be scum, but worth bringing up for further investigation.

For the rest of he people voting me. I'm still reading Banana Frog and Muffin hard town, and to me Flubbernugget's thought process has been pretty transparent, so I'm going lean town.

Interestingly, Maxwell leaves and Flubber enters.

Riku, Grib, Klingon

- nothing substantive.

Gratuitous

- only 3 posts but 2 of them are good. Denies being an alt.

This would be a little bit unusual if Flubber were scum, though. (Basically, most of the scumbuddies in one spot.)

Don't really wanna iso singer/Constantine right now at 2 AM, so this is probably it for now.

[mastin2]

I'll trust you on this one.

Ack!
No, don't vote because of that!

I'm not pushing Molla, I'm not asking for trust!

I happen to think he's the best bet for being scum, but I don't have any true level of confidence in it.
Sure, if you think he's got a good chance of being scum for your own reasons, be my guest, but don't do it because you trust me.

I don't trust me right now.

[mastin2]

So I basically read all of Flubber's iso.
And when Flubber's voting scum slots it looks like bussing.
When he's not voting scum slots, it looks like distancing.
He did plenty of stuff like switching off of the Constantine wagon, doubting the Gratuitous wagon, and whatnot.

Plus, if PV (Molla) is scum, his distancing-not-bussing applies there, too. (I know, preflip associative, so, etc.)

That...kinda looks really, really bad for him.
Like, mega-bad.

[mastin2]

^this is probably town btw

There's a chance of SK, butyeah, pretty much town, yes.

[mastin2]

I'm an amnesiac

[mastin2]

Lets speedlynch flubber and Molla tomorrow.

Maxwell should claim first, but I can do that.
VOTE: Flubbernugget.

[mastin2]

So.

Guaranteed.

One of Plotfrog and ika are scum.

As in, 100% by the rules of the setup.
One of them is guaranteed to be scum.

And ika votes Molla.

Yeah.

VOTE: ika.

[mastin2]

Mastin is cop cleared?

Yes.

Which I've said multiple times.

I don't believe you're actually this ignorant of the fact. (Or, well, 'fact'. I fully believe ika to be scum.)

Which, yes, means I'm calling ika's Molla vote a bus.
If ika has any semblance of smartness, he knows that he's going to get lynched today no matter what, so he might as well die trying to make his scumbuddies look better.

[mastin2]

2 Town Investigative Roles (Klingon and Triforce)
2 Town Protecting (

The Blue Blur

, Farside) (+Quoth,

Plotfrog

)
1 Town Killing (Drizzzx)
1 Town Messaging (pisskop)
1 Town Miscellaneous PR (Prolasped) (+flubber,

ika

)
3 Town Anything Roles (Quoth, flubber, ?)
5 Vanilla Townies (Ronit, Muffin, me, ?, ?)

1 Scum Manipulator (Grat)
1 Scum Chaos Creator (Singer)
1 Scum Investigative (St. constantine)
2 Scum Anything
1 Third-Party Killer (Arson)

ika: Pretender
Plotfrog: Bulletproof

This is the setup.
We've got four town protectives claimed or flipped. (Two flipped plus Blue Blur who is town and Plotfrog.)
We've got two miscellaneous roles flipped when we're only supposed to have one, meaning that we have one of our three anything roles right there.
ika is a claimed third miscellaneous role.
Plotfrog is the claimed fourth protective role.
Between the two, and our flips, there's only one slot for an anything role.

Ergo, one of them is GUARANTEED to be scum, no matter what.

I choose ika.

[mastin2]

Whoops. Fill in the VTs above (that was an old one) as being (Ronit, Muffin, MaxwellPuckett,

Me

,

Firebringer

) (+

Oversoul

,

Molla

)

While there's also guaranteed to be one scum in here, the pool is four players rather than two. (Or if for some ungodly reason you suspect Blue Blur, three.)
Thus, no matter how much I think Molla's scum, he's not the optimal lynch for today.

Ika is.

[mastin2]

when you make your reads on me or any setup spec i will just keep linking this game and telling you your terrabad just like how you were in inorganic

Uh-huh. Best scumgame of mine ever of all time being me terrible.

Also, me doing setup spec on a

semi-open setup

.

Yeah, sure.

Face the facts.
There are three PRs claimed.
All three of them are in excess of the stated category for their claimed roles.
There's only two slots open, at best.
Thus, at least one if not two are scum, lying.

Blue Blur has helped lynched basically every scum--if they're scum, they've played a bus-happy game. I don't see it. Sala's looked ridiculously town in his ranting, even if Sonic's not been as great.
Plotfrog has similarly helped lynch basically every scum--if they're scum, same thing applies, and while I can

see

it, I don't believe it, not after their heart-to-heart.
While either COULD be the serial killer (who for the purposes of claims, I'm considering scum), they're not mafia.

Process of elimination leaves you.

[mastin2]

Plotfrog not voting ika is very given that from their perspective, Ika's confscum.
Molla still leaving his vote on me, too.

[mastin2]

pedit: you're being kind of a dick to mastin.

Welcome to "secret reason I don't give a damn #1" when it comes to players insulting me.

When people are dicks to me, I hold no incentive to show them any empathy.

For instance, I recognize the possibility of ika being town. It requires either you or Blue Blur to be scum, neither of which I see, but it's possible. While I don't believe it, I recognize the potential for it to exist. I'm not bothering to unvote, though, because frankly, ika's been an ass to me in so many games that he's approaching Guyett levels.

If he treats me with respect, I'd treat the scenario of him being town with respect.
But horrible human being as it makes me, I just don't want to deal with so much as the possibility of ika being town when he's like this.

See also: Constantine lynch.
I thought Constantine was scum.
I also hated Constantine's attitude and still do.
Thus, I would not have been upset to see him go and have him flip town.

Ika, in spite of him hating Constantine, doesn't realize how much he ironically resembles him. I think ika is scum. I hate his attitude. But even if he's town, I won't be sad to see him go.

[mastin2]

(Short version short: ika's being the type of hostile human being right now that, regardless of his alignment, yes, I'm policy-lynching him. Terrible as that is to say. I happen to think he is scum. I happen to think that Plotfrog and Sonic are both town, since they have both overwhelmingly been on the lynches of scum and while arson is possible*, I just find the ika-is-scum scenario to be far more likely.)

*In fact, there may be an arsonist slip in existence, but it's so weak a tell that I'm basically discounting it as being something that's far more likely to just be a common mistake.

[mastin2]

Another thing to consider: ika from subtext you can pick up on having rolled vig last night and vigging MaxwellPuckett, one of the townier VT claims left alive. The type of target you can make as either alignment and not get flak for it, but which scum benefit from more.

The scum kill is missing. Stopped either by Blue Blur, or by Plotfrog's BPness. This increases the chance that they're not lying about their roles.
While it's possible scum wasted a bullet shooting Plotfrog last night, from the attitude of Molla and ika, I'd think that

even if Plotfrog is the arsonist

, that ika and Molla are

still

our last two scum.

Why?

Simple. The way they're interacting with each other, the way they've got an interest in lynching Plotfrog, it's as if they know (or, "know") Plotfrog is the arsonist and want them lynched.

[mastin2]

Also, doing the math: 8 alive now.
Assuming the ABSOLUTE WORST CASE of arsonist having 3 town players primed right now (N5, N6, and N7) and lighting them up, that's four dead. Add in the scum nightkill, and that's five dead.

The arsonist has to be afraid of (1) getting lynched, and yet also (2) getting endgamed if we don't lynch scum. (2 scum vs. 1 arsonist = scum win. Don't know Titus's rule for arsonist vs. 1scum, though.) So while there's the slight risk that the arsonist will light three players up and lose to the scum, this possibility is remote. (Okay, so this also applies with two lit, and the arsonist potentially getting a situation where it's 2v1v1, still a scum win.) There's also a slight risk if we don't lynch the arsonist of the game going into kingmaker/prisoner's dilemma (depending on Titus rulings) if we lynch one scum and arsonist kills and it becomes 1v1v1, but that's remote.

So basically, math says: we can, MOST LIKELY, playing the statistical odds, afford to mislynch today, so long as the arsonist dies tomorrow. Not quite sure what's better to do tomorrow with a scum lynch, whether to hunt the arsonist or the last scum, but I DO think that, for today, it's better to hunt for the groupscum. Groupscum can endgame us if we don't lynch them and the arsonist is a combination of unlucky and stupid. Arsonist cannot.

[mastin2]

Plus there's the whole matter of POE.
pisskop is confirmed town.
I'm cop-confirmed town, though obviously that's thrown into doubt with an ika lynch if he flips scum. (Still am, of course, and my record shows that.)
The PR claims of {Metal Sonic, ika, Plotfrog} contain a minimum of one scum, but can potentially have a second scum if the third town anything was a VT.
The VT claims of {BBMolla, Oversoul, Firebringer} contain a minimum of one scum, and potentially has a second if the third town anything was a role.

When it comes to Molla, you've got a sketchy slot that's been sketchy the whole game.
When it comes to Oversoul, you've got a slot that has

amazing

areas of townness, including some smugness that looked really good and apathy that was very much real where he let himself die, except not. There may be two scum left in the game, Plotinus, plus the arsonist, but you said it yourself: he's a dead slot. Siteflaked. Unable to submit night actions. So if he's the arsonist, nobody's been primed (I find this incredibly unlikely--would Titus let a deadslot with a night action flake from it for so long?), and if he's scum, his scumbuddy's been flying solo: something I very much doubt.

The wildcard here is Firebringer.
The way I see it, between {Plotfrog, Molla, ika, Firebringer} we have the arsonist and the groupscum.
The key is to figure out which of the arsonist candidates is the actual arsonist, and also to figure out the scum out of the above.

[mastin2]

(Basically, Molla's pretty much scum, and Oversoul's pretty much town. It's finding the two scum in the three names Plotfrog/ika/Firebringer that needs to be done. Firebringer's a tough read, because elusive looked insanely town, but Firebringer...well, hasn't.)

[mastin2]

who did blue blur protect

Good question.

[mastin2]

So while I'm pretty sure that Plotfrog is the arsonist.
And I'm pretty sure by the math that we need to lynch the arsonist today, for a 5p lylo likely tomorrow.
It's not absolute.

We know between {Sonic, Plotfrog} we have one guaranteed scum. We also know that both have heavily attacked scum, and thus, are unlikely to be groupscum.
But there's some stuff from Sonic that makes me not instantly be voting Plotfrog, here. (Because, duh, if Plotfrog

is

town, then mafia quickhammering them = town loss.)

[mastin2]

Dammit.

Why is it that you both look like scum right now?

(Admittedly, Plotfrog's attitude here looks more forced and contrived, whereas Sonic's just...well, Sonic. But still bad for him.)

[mastin2]

(For the record, this is me, again, not voting. I probably will be voting Plotfrog, but I don't want to, yet. I admit, we're looking for a serial killer, here, not a mafiate, but...I think there may be evidence to help clear things up. In particular, night actions of dead town players like Quoth. I may be able to find evidence that solidifies things.)

[mastin2]

So...
-We had two people burn N4. Yet three nights of priming.

-We have missing nightkills from: N1, N2, N3, N5, N7, and N8.
In short: the only nights kills went through were N4 and N6.

-Metal Sonic's a claimed doctor. Actions:
-Plotfrog's claimed bulletproof. (This is true regardless of Plotfrog's alignment.)
-Drizzx was a Psychotic Jailkeeper, who jailed Constantine N1.
-singer was a (mafia) Psychotic Kidnapper. Actions:
-Farside was a jailkeeper. Actions:

-ika was a Pretender. Roles and actions:

-TriforceP was a Drunk Agent. Results:

-Constantine was a Drunk Rolecop. Results:


These are the relevant things. I need to fill in the blanks. This...may take a while for me to track down, since the player I'd normally trust to do this work for me is the prime suspect and has an interest in these facts not seeing the light of day.

[mastin2]

-We had two people burn N4. Yet three nights of priming.

-We have missing nightkills from: N1, N2, N3, N5, N7, and N8.
In short: the only nights kills went through were N4 and N6.

-Metal Sonic's a claimed doctor. Actions: Protecting Plotinus N5. All other protections unclaimed.

-Plotfrog's claimed bulletproof. (This is true regardless of Plotfrog's alignment.)



-Drizzx was a Psychotic Jailkeeper, who jailed Constantine N1.


-singer was a (mafia) Psychotic Kidnapper. Actions: Jailed Quoth N1, N2? Unknown otherwise.

-Farside was a jailkeeper. Actions: Jailed Grib (Constantine) N1, singer N2. Jailed PB N3. Then, N5, she jailed The Blue Blur. I think, anyway? Didn't verify, someone else probably should.

-ika was a Pretender. Roles and actions:

-TriforceP was a Drunk Agent. Results, and to who: Not sure, but Triforce said N1 "connie" (need to check who that is), N2 same, and N3 TBB.

-Constantine was a Drunk Rolecop. Results, and to who: He claimed to investigate singer once, but not sure about the accuracy there.


...I'm gonna have to reread the whole game from scratch in order to actually find these things, aren't I?
I have no search skills.

[mastin2]

night one i got jker who jailed hermit
night 2 atum was doc but never sublited an action
night 3 atum escorted fire
n4: watcher on blue bur (got rbed)
n5: cop shot and used on mastin
n6: got a veteran shot

^ika's actions here. (And the vigging Maxwell.)

[mastin2]

Sonic, can you claim all the non-living players you protected, and what nights it was on?
They're dead now, so outing the info can only strengthen your position.

[mastin2]

Mastina
A note
Plotfrog may claim BP as arsonist to avoid being shot by mafia

Sonic, let's be honest.

Look at how many stopped kills there are.

That aint you alone. Maybe one, not all.

Plotfrog got shot at. Pretty much guaranteed at least once, maybe many times. They're bulletproof. It's just a matter of BP-arson or just-BP. I lean the former rather strongly, but I want to get all the actions compiled as neatly and cleanly as I can to confirm.

[mastin2]

This is me, abusing my conftown status.

VOTE: Banana Frog.

[mastin2]

I am sorry about the hammer, Plotfrog, but Sonic's either town derping or scum manipulating, and in either case, it was beneficial to make sure he wasn't allowed to talk a town player into unvoting you. (His unvote was bad enough.)

If he was arguing that we still had plenty of time left in the day, sure, yeah, I wouldn't have just hammered you, because I agree: I would have loved to discuss things more thoroughly. But he wasn't. He was actually talking about using you, and that deeply, deeply worried me, so all we have left is the twilight talk.

[mastin2]

(After all. Sonic had voted. Molla had voted. Firebringer had voted. I'm still thinking right now, though I'll of course reconsider later, that between the three we have two scum, likely the latter two. Shiro had intent to hammer, but was holding back. I was holding back. So we could have talked, but with Sonic backing out, and actually encouraging us to try and lynch elsewhere, well...optimal play today is an arsonist lynch, so I couldn't let that happen. I'm so sorry for the hammer. I would normally let an arsonist live, but at this stage getting rid of you leaves us with a standard 5p lylo, rather than forcing a kingmaker/prisoner dilemma.)

[mastin2]

I mean, when it comes to Shiro's posting, I still don't see it as scum. The post Shiro voted you in, I can maybe see as being scum-motivated, but otherwise, Shiro's been nulltown, with quite a bit of sincerity showing. Oversoul had a bunch of moments where he seemed sincere, and I don't think on what I remember (this is purely from memory, I'll admit) that his interactions seemed like scum to the rest of the scumteam.

Then again...when it comes to Firebringer, I

really

didn't see elusive as scum, even though Firebringer's posting started as null, degraded to nullscum, and has seemed like scum to me ever since POE began to pick in.

On the third hand. While Blue Blur has been obvtown (and lynched scum after scum, and been attacked by scum rather nastily), Metal Sonic...hasn't. And he's lived longer than he should have, given that the scum didn't hit the BP again since N3 and they've been wide open for days with no claims at risk of being contradicted, thus, no reason why Sonic should be alive.

So it is something I need to look at, but pretty sure I'm lynching Molla regardless.

[mastin2]

Exactly, MS.

[mastin2]

im conftown
based off the setup spec

No, not really. Mod said town anything could be a VT. Third town anything being a VT = you're scum.
I happen to think that's unlikely. Of the three candidates for second-scum, you're who I think is the least-probable. But you're not conftown. So I'm not going to blindly call you such.

[mastin2]

And, thank you for your help, Plotinus. (And Frogger, too.) I will be using it assuming I live. I also think we owe you a huge thanks for scumhunting, contributing to all the scum lynches you did and frying singer who for some reason was hard to lynch.

[mastin2]

VOTE: BBMolla.

Yeah regardless of Sonic's alignment.
I don't see this as anything but Molla being scum.

[mastin2]

No argument here, Drixx.