Mini 1730: Suikoden U-Pick GAME OVER

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Yukari he's conf-town you silly billy.

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Elibern, welcome to indonesia.

Town Bloc

Me-RR
Jeanne
Elibern
Suzune

With towniest on top and least but likely town towards bottom. Stick to this and we've won this game, scum are going to do everything they can to make it look suspicious as it will require two night kills to kill off me and RR which they don't exactly want to do with the prospect of a possible other investigative and/or protective PR at large. If we die, lynch those that try to doubt this plan as honestly it's scum's only hope now at winning.

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Lynch Order:

Blackest Magic
Pistachion
Brantz
FireKari
Suzune
Ranger
Jeanne
Me/RR

We need 5 people to agree to this to work as a bloc and then stick to it ignoring all others trying to break the plan as that's what scum needs.
Quote and say aye if you're up for it, I'm one so that leaves 4 more. I'll hammer once this is settled.

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FireKari if you can conf-town now that would be nice.

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Ah forgot you, you're between suzune and Ranger in my reads.
But sure

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Honestly if it gets that far I'll do some revaluation as I should be dead by then and then some things off

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VOTE: Blackest Magicka
Lolhammer 2

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Yeah, hadn't thought of that.
They have barely posted though so I justify myself with that.

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Yes yes that's already been stated

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Why?
His play makes no sense and he's steering us away from the current plan which is what I'd expect scum to do.

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Why?
His play makes no sense and he's steering us away from the current plan which is what I'd expect scum to do.

Anyway, it's really between Klingoncelt and Pistachi0n.

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Phantom quote

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Lol
Game over

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I shall lolhammer the 3rd scum as I seem to have jinxed it into only hitting scum

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Nah
We all know RR will probably die as they have the capability of sounding convincing and logic where as I lack the former.

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If there's a cop/tracker kindly target pistachi0n

Also imI'definitely not making scum wifom which mason to kill with a potential doc protector abound.

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The scum won't kill us I imagine as they are trying to break the bloc.
If you lynch one of us then the other will get night killed, however if they kill one of us the other is confirmed town. We should be making the pick today between pistachi0n and Klingoncelt really, I'll do some more rereading with these two flips added to my associatives as it helped me find BM last time.
RR was my expected NK so Jeanne dying is odd, especially after I joined her in a good making us triple masons effectively

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I got ninjad by FK

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mine

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I think we should mass claim now, my lynch pool is {Klingon, Pistachion, Brantz} as all out of that group are hard town reads of mine. Though I need to reread again to see if I can spot any more associatives.
Claiming with such a large town bloc should help us increase the size or make it flipping hard on scum to keep their powers hidden.
We should do this via popcorning.
I'm Mokumoku or something like that and I like curry and i'm a squirrel part of the squirrel army with RR who is also a squirrel. in Steven universe mafia Varsoon said he'd laugh if any of us chose that squirrel, so naturally we both did exactly that. We are plain masons, nothing else.

Popcorn Claim: Pistachion

Somone care to list all claimed roles so we can setup-spec and plan out our night actions?

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I think we should mass claim now, my lynch pool is {Klingon, Pistachion, Brantz} as all outside of that group are hard town reads of mine. Though I need to reread again to see if I can spot any more associatives.
Claiming with such a large town bloc should help us increase the size or make it flipping hard on scum to keep their powers hidden.
We should do this via popcorning.
I'm Mokumoku or something like that and I like curry and i'm a squirrel, part of the squirrel army, with RR who is also a squirrel. in Steven universe mafia Varsoon said he'd laugh if any of us chose that squirrel, so naturally we both did exactly that. We are plain masons, nothing else.

Popcorn Claim: Pistachion

Somone care to list all claimed roles so we can setup-spec and plan out our night actions?

EBWOP

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That is fair Elbirn, I thought about doing it in my response to ranger, but didn't want to out anything else if people didn't want that.

Claim: I am Georg Prime.

I am a VT until lylo, at which time, I turn into a survivor.

Was this a bastard game?

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Alignment switches are considered bastard what so ever so I'll ask this:

Do you consider anticipated alignment changes as bastard varsoonio?

Klingon, you should vig Brantz. It saves us a lynch if he speaks the truth and if he's scum we win.

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VOTE: Pistachi0n

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Nah, let Klingoncelt vig him.
That saves us a lynch whatever he is.
Also if Klingoncelt doesn't shoot him we will just lynch him tommorow

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Fudge it:
Lynch BRantz
Klingoncelt kills pistachi0n
If game still not over then lynch Klingoncelt
If still not over something is off and someone's playing a strong game

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VOTE: Brantz
Elibern what is your role?

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VOTE: Brantz
Elibern what is your role?

I claimed it in the hood browdawg. Didn't you read it? ;_;

Varsoon kicked me out when Jeanne died ;_;

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FK I wanted to private claim to Jeanne but RR thought we may as well go global so we did. My hood thing with Jeanne firmed my town read on her and Elibern.

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Guys, Ascetic on its own especially a activated two night ability isn't town. Suzune does your role block kills as well?
You role is designed that one night you can Ascetic yourself and the next you can redirect someone to you thus blocking them, that's pretty scummy suzune. Elibern, do you mind accounting suzune tonight to see if she is really 1-shot of each?

Anyway, lynch BRantz let Klingoncelt night kill pistachi0n and then we'll look at suzune/Klingoncelt.
BRantz has botched a claim as a it lowers his chances of winning if how he is playing is correct and so is his role, so his play wouldn't make sense with his claimed role.
B it conflict with the game not being bastard as this isn't even allowed by mod standards.
C I call BS that anyone here is a VT when all others have abilities.

Mod is this game bastard?

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Then BRantz is lying confirmed

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Your alignment changes from town to self aligned during the game, if Varsoon twists his words I have a bone to pick with him.
Pistachi0n, vig Klingoncelt as I have an idea...

Mod, if a town vig where to target a mafia member who was taking the night kill aimed at the vig then which gets priority?

Klingoncelt shoot pistachi0n
Pistachi0n shoot Klingoncelt

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Suzune, you claimed both abilities are 1-shot so I want Elibern to confirm that.
A self-redirector could be a scum role especially as we have no cops

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No, don't Ascetic tonight. Let Elibern check to see if you really do have 2 1-shot abilities, if you speak the truth then this will confirm it.
Anyway, BRantz you're confusing me, please explain your role again.

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Yeah, and honestly if you get killed it will do the town good as you're one of the town reads I have a nagging feeling is wrong. You're not such a powerful role, a bodyguard at best. Scum will probably either kill me or RR as they can't let us both live to a potential lylo and I'm pretty sure that rangers role block is a lot more powerful than your ability so he's the next I would expect.
Klingoncelt, just vig BRantz as he's requested and if he ends up alive tommorow know that you're next on the chopping bloc.
UNVOTE:

Fire kari what is your role?

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Yeah, and honestly if you get killed it will do the town good

You know what is funny. I cannot get over the audacity of this comment. It irks me so much. I'm trying not to roll my feelings into a "you must be scum" mindset. However, it if we are unsuccessful today, I might push the lynch on him biasly. If I do, someone flag me that is what I am doing.

There's a cop innocent on us

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The scum utility of your role suzune is that it is a way of roleblocking others and seems to have no other pro town usage besides a possible bodyguard, it basically allows you to give Elibern false results and potentially frame a target with pistachi0n and then you can block them later if they target you.
See the scum utility?

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Yeah, and I think you're town!
I just want Elibern to check you tonight to confirm your role. If you're not lying there's not a single problem with this.
The other thing that unnerves me is that there are two roleblocker it seems: You and Ranger.

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Someone vote Brantz so I can lolhammer as it's given us good luck so far.

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VOTE: Brantz
Amen

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I know Varsoon is online so maybe steeling his page top will speed this up.

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Q

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A

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K
And the one below!

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Gah, got trolled trolling the mod.
Someone hammer already

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Jeanne's role would make a lot of sense with a town pistachi0n

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Well she could restore a shot of multi shot abilities

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I did what

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Pistachi0n is likely town.
Don't hammer him or vig him.
No, vote BRantz.

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VOTE: Klingoncelt
This should win us the game.
Anyway, I'm going to reread everything.

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What the fudge was up with the hasty lynch?
Me and RR had formed the conclusion pistachi0n wasn't scum. And the BRantz thing is dubious but is a matter for post game discussion.
Where's the other scum kill?
If Klingoncelt vigged we should have two kills, and Ranger roleblocked pistachi0n.

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Elibern should of actually targeted Klingoncelt dammit.
She claimed 1-shot vig and commuter, and if she was lying about the vig shot we would know.

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I'm rereading the entire game, suggest you lot do so as well

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Did some VCA
Klingoncelts voting pattern is awful, then by a long gap FireKari.
Elibern and Suzune both are equally better than FireKari and Ranger is really good.

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Over halfway with my reread and it's really helping my reads,
I'm happy with a Klingoncelt lynch and I'd honestly be surprised to see her flip town. Will post my findings and thoughts when fully done.

It's basically going to be let's lynch Klingoncelt and Ranger is hard town, Elibern and Suzune hard but not as hard town and FireKari weakest town.

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Yes, if you are scum by some miracle I won't be disappointed to loose. You'd deserve this win if that's the case.

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I dont think your scum, I really think that Klingoncelt is the final scum.

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Give me another day, I'll be done by then

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Drixx, we have two mislynches so messing up a lynch on Klingoncelt is no problem. Sometimes when everything points to someone being scum they are scum, and if she isn't we have two more lynches to sort that out.

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I've been stupidly busy the last few days so I haven't been able to explain my thoughts I detail. They are known however.

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My week has been hell but as its weekend Im finishin my final pages right now

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Page 40, 47 more to go.

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You know what, screw it.
I'll give the reasons I have so far and my findings.

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Most of the the stuff I've been gathering is associative tells and the likes, stuff like "they're scum-hunting and seem to be active" just don't cut it later game. Comparing their actions towards others and other's towards them give hard information, as well as analysing vote patterns. Here goes:

FireKari -

Town

FireKari's first behaviour towards LQ is slightly chainsaw-defending him by attacking Ranger in their post 134, yes it is weak but I'm noting everything I've seen down. They however then naked vote in post 186, which to be honest I wouldn't expect from a scum-partner. Them testing LQ on what "AUA" stands for is also pretty good, I really don't think that scum would just come up with this out of the blue. Especially not then asking their partner. Further on we have post 580 which is a reaction to titus' claim. It doesn't seem to be from scum, as the scum would be slightly shitting themselves with Titus' role we now know was town. FireKaari on the otherhand is like "heck yeah, sweet" which seems to be more from a town-motivated mindset.
They also were on the LQ wagon not knowing titus actual role (as her claim was fake) which also earns them some townie points.
They also don't drop their rather unreasoned push on LQ when his situation is most dire, instead they simply hop back onto his wagon in post 938. They also had a scum read on BM out of the blue so that's also a thing.
Lots of small little things point to this slot being town, at least all the way up to page 40. I may read the rest later but I'm honestly a little distracted by RL right now.

Klingoncelt -

99.9% Scum

Well, klingon's early game play is lacking and contentless. Then we get an awful reads-list as the first petty bit of content we get from her in post 452. All three of her scum reads have been town and, oh, all the scum have been wishy-washy crap. Not to mention titus being the scum read suddenely after she becomes the main counter-wagon to LQ. Coincidence? You decide. (It's barely a reads list, there are only really 3 reads in it. Also notice how she drops these reads later on in the game.)
Then we have her randomly moving to Ranger during the blackout, not even one of her scum reads and she tries to justify it in post 819. Bleh, that post is utter bullcrap and what the heck is the "oops" for? What mistake did she make?
Finally there's an associative between LQ and Kling in LQ's post 832 where she's all of a sudden town for her crap readslist she mad over 400 posts ago.

I've already pointed out how her voting pattern is awful so this all combined with the fact everyone elses voting pattern is so much better and everyone else having good town evidence (associatives blah blah) lead me to believe that if we lynch this piece of crumpets we will win.
Period.

Ranger -

Hard You-Better-Fudge-Believe-It Town

His ballsy way of pushing LQ early game is good, check posts 126 and 138 to check this for yourselves. I also doubt he would be bussing both his scum-partners and guess what he does? Push both BM and LQ. Example: post 443. He keeps these reads and doesn't deviate from them all the way to post 752 and from then on until their lynches. He's either the hardest busser this site has or he's town.
He also stayed on LQ when the blackout happened instead of opportunisticly changing hos vote.

He also has one of the towniest voting patterns I've seen in a long time so there's also that.

Elibern -

Hard Town

He's pushing BM as early on as post 104 and LQ kind of passively scum reading Elibern in 131 is also a small town tell. Him also assuming Bright is some post-restricted player and the way he continues to handle this also point to him not being aware of Bright being LQ, yeah this could be faked by it seems natural. His post 352 also seriously shows and explains for me that the way LQ handles him is weird and point to him being town now we know LQ is scum.
LQ also voting him with the anon-Bright is post 795 is yet another town tell.
He also seriously pushes both LQ and BM and I doubt he would bus like this as scum. Especially on both partners.

Suzune -

Hard Town

LQ also votes Suzune with his anonymous vote and from what we've seen and know of LQ I doubt he bussed many scum with it. Weak town tell there. She pushes LQ in a good manner and the way LQ tries to make me doubt my read on her in post 847 now feels icky and seems to point to Suzune being town. General good vibe from this slot (notice how my mind is wandering the further I cam in this post).

Now the VCA all fits the associative tells and other crumpets so why aren't we lynching Klingon yet. If everything seems to point to her maybe it is her?
I dunno, that seems logical

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On it

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Klingoncelt you cannot call it a reads list. There were three reads and the rest was "they are being nervous" etc. Which is not a read.
Honestly I'm going to eat a flipping hat if you flip town and you can have your crumpets.

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It may even be two reads as off my head I may have mixed in that you scum read pistachi0n.

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It's also not like you were going to push them all anyway, not being around for a hammer doesn't mean you don't have the chance to push them. All your scum reads are town, all the flipped scum are in the wishy washy reads. That looks suspicious, especially considering how everyone else has pushed both.
I'm more inclined to go for the obvious answer saying your scum instead of being paranoid someone is playing a godlike scum game.

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Actually they're trying to convince me we shouldn't lynch Klingoncelt now but later as the core of their plan. But yeah, give us more time.

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Yeah, that will become clear day 5. Honestly the scum should go and surrender tommorow, I'm getting bored as we have basically won. We (the masonry) have a 1-shot commute that makes us all immune to every action for a night. The downside being that we then loose our private topic the next day + night.
I'm urging RR to just lynch Klingoncelt as we're both guaranteed to be alive tommorow, or we may choose to save our shot and use it later. Ooh wifom against scum.
We didn't reveal this before as honestly there was no reason to do so, the game however is stalling and towns victory is basically secured.
What we're likely going to see tonight is that the scum nk won't go through. (Also it is my ability to activate this not a factional thing, Varsoon seems to have thing with passive/normal abilities and a few random x-shots)

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Shall I claim it's flavour to back it up?

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Ah, I see

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Yeah I think Klingoncelt is certainly scum

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Or scum just botched a claim, like Davsto did in a game of mine.

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He claimed vig as scum

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Finish him.

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RR, scum claim vig a lot. It is common.

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It is one of those claims that falls in some type of gambit.
Kind of "makes no sense for scum to claim it so the can't be scum."
It's a known gambit, will find the wiki page. It's also often pulled by scum, yes, even when they can't produce and extra kill.

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Really you shouldn't setup spec a Varsoon game either

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FireKari, hammer away.
We will be seeing you all tommorow.

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RR, we will be here tomorrow and quite a few people disagree this is suboptimal.

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We have the time and room to do this

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This is easily room, in a micro game this would be considered the most optimal situation in fact.
We have two mislynches, that is a lot. Plus we have a final lynch as well. There is no reason to be paranoid.

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I'm not lynching one of my other reads as they are town. Go ahead and convince me they are worse than Klingoncelt, or why she is town.
I don't lynch town reads, that's not how I play.

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Well yeah, I already stated it isn't the strongest scum read I've ever had but it is a scum read and all my other reads are town so *shrug*

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No, he means he suspects more people than we have mislynches.

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My town game was great this game. Am I improving?
Good game, this was great and was enjoyable.
When's your next game Varsoon?

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This game goes to show I'm awful at day one play. The town did really well though, and my mason partner was great. Though they need to not over think things at times. Will right a proper when not using ymy phone