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[Vedith]

Evening all!

VOTE: Lucky
Scum confirmed!

[Vedith]

VOTE: aphix since you think I must hate you

ETL is trying to derail the productive Lucky train!

[Vedith]

You'll be wrong, again.

[Vedith]

ETL not reading the game, or what?

[Vedith]

You get given 3 roles and there are multi scum chances.
Otherwise, if you want to go by that you gave up a high potential doc role.

[Vedith]

How did you get 2 sets? I was only given the one. o.0

[Vedith]

Math is math.

You didn't actually apply math, you just implied it.

Last time I played this, the scum chucked away another scum role (only 2 cards each).
There were Mafia and also got Werewolf.

[Vedith]

Hind just wants attention bless him, ignore him and vote with me, Suzune.
Lucky has posted nothing town as of yet!

[Vedith]

That's because he's posted nothing at all. What is the point of this wagon on someone who's not even checked in?

You need to get out.

[Vedith]

Policy lynch him for what?

Because I called him scum in a game.

[Vedith]

Moron 1 and moron 2 we have here.
1 wants to lynch me because I called him scum in our last game
the other wants me lynch me because I'm playing the game.

[Vedith]

You have me all wrong...
I'm a dick to everyone regardless if they vote me. You can ask Lucky

[Vedith]

I'm hardly ever scum, but I think I've only ever been scum lynched once.
Thanks Suzune.

[Vedith]

First person to dayvig vedith gets my unlynchable gift tonight. I promise.

Go cry else where, no one cares what you think.

[Vedith]

we have played in many game and you are always the suspect.

Yeah

[Vedith]

Not crying, lel. You seem mad.

This kid is obviously new

[Vedith]

Joined : June 30, 2010

I know, I was making a point.

[Vedith]

This game brings the best out of us, eh?

[Vedith]

Well you get to enjoy it for another few hours before I head on out.
So now we has astablished that, lets actually get scum. Lucky are you scum? No response means yes.

[Vedith]

How long have you been here exactly to respond as soon as you're called on?

He's been there the whole time lurking.
Then he punches with an opportunist vote. That's scum Lucky alright.

[Vedith]

Lucky are you scum? No response means yes.

Next game post

Hmmm... reading the math of lucky choices discussion... one moment please.

How is that not when you were called upon?

[Vedith]

I actually started talking about you since my first comment, you're a hot topic right now!
Talking about you and calling you out are 2 different things.

[Vedith]

For future reference though - Ash Ketchum. My avatar is Red.

I quite like that name for you.

[Vedith]

you see I can't reference something BEFORE I've read about it. You mistake me for a clairvoyant.

Okay, so you said that you received a WW card, a town card and a Mafia card.
Mind me asking what the town card was? Since it only has relevance to your align and not your role.

[Vedith]

Compulsive Childkiller.

That's not a town role, right?
So you chose the align of what the Compulsive Childkiller is?

[Vedith]

Okay I checked, it does seem to be a town role? Lol

[Vedith]

Nah, I think he has a good chance of turning up scum.

Have you played with him before, or just taking a guess that he is scum from lurking?

[Vedith]

@Mod - V/LA until Wednesday (evening)

[Vedith]

Out of all the votes on me, Chaotic's one is the one that pings me the most. Care to explain your thought process a bit more?
VOTE: Chaotic Neutrality

Given that there only requires a minimum of 2 town players. And based on my other greatest idea mafia games, I had a gut feeling that more people would choose scum over town. Which meant, when looking at it mathematically, shooting randomly would yield a higher chance to hit scum. (Not that I shot randomly though)

These don't match up. 1 Moment you are explain who you think is scum, the next you are saying that most people are scum.
If you're scum then I can easily see Chaotic as your partner. You vote him after you look like a near to certain lynch.

[Vedith]

Also Soren, what were the 2 other cards you received?
Same for ETL please.

[Vedith]

I already claimed them. So did Soren.

I'll look for them now then.

[Vedith]

What's tourist town do?

[Vedith]

Requires the person to target a player each night, but otherwise does nothing if the player has no other abilities.

Okay, so that's more anti town anyway?
Why do you think Suzune? you might have said something somewhere but I've been V/LA.

[Vedith]

The thing that makes me doubt Suzune as scum is her comments which could be classed to buddying me.
I could see her using it as a tactic with only 1 set of scum. However, with the chance of several it serves no purpose to her as scum as I don't influence people (which she knows) I'm easily lynched (which she knows) and my death, although I am town, if flipped scum would give her no town credit what so ever (which she knows).

[Vedith]

This was actually one of the bigger points against her for me.

Was this stated in the game or just something you thought to yourself?

[Vedith]

I just reread and Suzune didn't defend you at all. Soren did.

I didn't say defend.

we have played in many game and you are always the suspect.

Well he seems more social then usual too, however that is his usual cheekyness.

i see how it is, I must be scum since I disagree.

• Vedith-
- Is apparently everyone’s favourite day one lynch
- Also has almost nothing to read. I get the feeling he is probably town though, but it would be gut alone

[Vedith]

The thing that makes me doubt Suzune as scum is her comments which could be classed to buddying me.
I could see her using it as a tactic with only 1 set of scum. However, with the chance of several it serves no purpose to her as scum as I don't influence people (which she knows) I'm easily lynched (which she knows) and my death, although I am town, if flipped scum would give her no town credit what so ever (which she knows).

Did you consider there's probably 3rd party scum if anyone got the role for it -- I would buddy the shit out of someone early on if I was lonely scum. With the way the game's set up, it's possible for even just one person to be scum which I've thought a lot about but I haven't mentioned because we just need to look for scum now and worry about the variables to it later.

Btw, since we're nearing the amount of alignment claims where scum can start to get free fakeclaims in, I'm going to go ahead and let the cat out of the bag that I'm basically confirmed town once I do claim my alignment card. I want to breadcrumb this now so it's apparent it's not a fakeclaim. I've had this in store since I chose my cards and I chose them in a very specific way because I saw the power I could have by choosing the set of cards that I did. I thought about revealing it at game start but deemed it best to wait until D2. Unfortunately, we had a derp vig and now we're basically at D2.

The only conformable role is IC imo.
But I doubt you would need to breadcrumb that so we don't see it as a fake claim.

[Vedith]

That's not necessarily true, but as it stands I'm not interested in lynching Hindu today anyway. He's a pretty solid townread for me right now.

I mean confirmable in it being town rather than the role.

[Vedith]

Yeah Soren is going to be scum here.

VOTE: Soren

[Vedith]

Why what? I didn't vote Suzune...

[Vedith]

oh you voted Soren not suzune. i thought you hammered suzune.

ok. vedith go look at what i said about the cards he claimed.

I saw what you said, I don't buy it.
His read list is so fake and doesn't make sense.

[Vedith]

I mean, read his ISO and tell me if it matches up.
That reads list was forced to justify him voting Suzune.

[Vedith]

BOOM. Ok, so obvkill on me probably. Don't even care. Gj whoever blocked w/e. I'm not claiming but I am here to say, and confidently I might add since we got the psychotrooper, that Chaotic Neutrality is Not Guilty.

Why would the obvious kill be on you?

[Vedith]

I'm pretty much a universal townread, vedith. That's why.

Well, that's arguable. I mean, this is a multi set up.
But to just assume that you were attacked is my concern here.
As if you were roleblocked and wanted to take focus away from yourself...

[Vedith]

Well, I think that there is either only 1 team/solo killer left after the no kill last night.

Lucky is only going at you because of what you said about him. I agree that it's wasting the day.

You are still in my town list. This is also down to the fact of your card claim (I believe you said town dayvig) and then Soren stated scum dayvig.
In your situation, I think it would have been a worth while gambit to have claimed scum dayvig with expecting no one else to get it, showing that you received a scum card increasing the chances of 2.

Ash's comment today has really struck me as odd and I'm surprised that no one else has picked up on it. It was rushed and forced as a comment. He's also voting onto CN just to draw easy focus.

[Vedith]

1 - I'm at work I haven't read properly
2 - It can be false
3 - It was more of a dig at what an odd comment it was.

[Vedith]

Go home Soren, you're drunk!

[Vedith]

What happened to Soren scum bro?

Show me where I said town Soren? o.0

[Vedith]

Sorry Ash, I forgot that many people on the internet aren't too bright.
I admit, that's more my fault than yours from having higher expectations.

[Vedith]

That's the spirit!

[Vedith]

Your treatment of Soren is just super weird

Explain.
I've not said that I like him for anything but scum. I have stated my dislike to Ash today and I have stated that I think there is only 1 team (or person) imo. I can see Ash and Soren in this.
Or do you suggest I ignore bad comments and just tunnel?

[Vedith]

Vedith continues to do nothing to progress the game state.

That's pretty much everyone.
You are just saying scum without anything to back it. I'm surprised that no one is even questioning this, and the more focus that pushes towards me, the more certain I am that you are a scum team rather than a scum solo.
I'm actually putting my opinion forward on the game itself, although Ash looks suspicious to me, he's the only other person really doing this.

[Vedith]

You are just saying scum without anything to back it.

Scum!Vedith continues to ignore and not acknowledge my reasons for him being scum as stated in my 317

I'm at work!
I don't read when here!

[Vedith]

if he was scumreading you, why isn't he voting you? or talking about you at all really? and then the attitude today. i dont like it.

I'm not voting anyone yet.
I don't see what the rush is when I still want to discuss with Ash more when I get the chance.

Or do you want to rush into the night phase?

[Vedith]

then don't post if you don't have time to have conversations.

Comments like this are fucking stupid. They really are.

There's a difference from back reading and using information from the game to discuss and discussing on the spot.

[Vedith]

Lynch it guys.

The fact that you get comments like this instead of even asking for a reveal or information.
And I guarantee that no one will question it.

[Vedith]

it's... a forum game..... all you're doing is posting bullshit excuses.

Oh, stop it you!

[Vedith]

Honestly would appreciate if you'd stop flaming me. I considered replacing out because of your D1 stuff and don't like this either.

I didn't realise that you were sensitive...
Was it the that offended you here?

[Vedith]

I'm not discussing anything with you further if you want to flame me over it.

I'm not looking to flame people. And questioning people for comments I disagree with (pointing out their flaws) isn't really flaming, it's me being honest.
Honesty is the best policy.

So lets shake hands, and carry on like the friends we should be!

[Vedith]

I've finished work now. Feel free to wait until we can discuss this properly before rushing the day... Or don't.

[Vedith]

So, lets start with some basic out comes here.
From the nights results, it doesn't shout out that there is a vig for us.
There are 6 players, and as stated imo a solo or a team.
If there is a team of 2 that means a mis lynch today is scum win... Think about that for a second.
For those confused I'll explain.

6 People
Mislynch means 5 people.
Night kill means 4 people.

4 divided by 2 = 2.
If there is a team which I highly suspect from the bad pushing, that's a loss.

Unless Lucky has a RB, heal or vig (seems unlikely) then town are stopping anything (even more so with my being lynched).

1 thing I always find stupid is speed voting in these situations. It shows that you don't care what result will come out of it.

[Vedith]

If vedith actually was town here and thought I was scum,

Ash's comment today has really struck me as odd and I'm surprised that no one else has picked up on it. It was rushed and forced as a comment. He's also voting onto CN just to draw easy focus.

I have stated my dislike to Ash today and I have stated that I think there is only 1 team (or person) imo.

although Ash looks suspicious to me, he's the only other person really doing this.

I don't see what the rush is when I still want to discuss with Ash more when I get the chance.

I mean 10/10 for twisting what I said, Ash. xD
Trust me on this, I'm not calling you a moron from alignment purposes or reads on you.
I'm calling you it because that's the case.

[Vedith]

Why would you attack the players presenting an argument over the argument itself when defending yourself if you cared about the result of this game?

Because what you lot is doing is fucking stupid. xD
The fact that what I am saying is very accurate, and yet you are trying for a fast lynch itself.

[Vedith]

If there is a team of 2, that means it's in Soren/ETL, my top two town reads. Do you really think they're a team? And don't say you think it's me. I want to know if you think it's them.

I'm damn obvious town if I do say so myself

and if you think I'd make a post at daystart talking about the past night as some sort of shenanigans as scum, you're wrong. Scum-me knows that shit doesn't fly. Town-me doesn't care because I play strongly as town. Throw down: Soren/ETL scumteam? Yes or no.

I don't understand here why there can't be a team mixed of me Lucky or CN?
And the bold... I mean really?

[Vedith]

Why are you totally ignoring Lukcy?

I'm not?
I'm just trying to get to one post at a time? o.0

[Vedith]

Oh.

[Vedith]

I started to read Ash's ISO... But I had to stop...
To prevent upsetting Ash, I'm just going to say read day 1...

[Vedith]

Read the whole thing and call it dumb.

Oo oo can I?

You should understand.

Of course I understand from my side, but I'm talking from your point of view... You said that a team can only be ETL and I forgot the second name, but if I'm scum for you why isn't Lucky or CN my partner?!

You either think I'm scum or you don't. If I'm a moron for thinking you're scum, you think I'm town. It's very simple.

You are one of these kids, I get it... "Oh boy, if you don't think I'm town you are calling me scum" *Spins hat* "Lets battle"

[Vedith]

Actually Ash, I didn't ask the question about it, I made a statement. You then decided that only ETL and who ever can be scum.
Even without my in the equation, why can't CN and Lucky be scum together? Or Soren CN, or Soren Lucky or ETL CN... You get the picture.

It's a case that I'm not certain enough on you, I think you are suspicious as fuck and what I saw of your ISO was fucking stupid. You have defended Lucky from quite early, you said to kill off Gummy while is was V/LA because it would be funny... But I still think that you are more likely playing bad rather than scum.
The fact that you got your own role wrong is both concerning, and assuring. However, I think it favours you more as town, because yeah, town are more likely to make such a derpy mistake. (Keep in mind that says more likely, and is by my opinion)

[Vedith]

Wow, Ash... You mis read my comment completely...
I'm surprised that you are concerned about my comments towards you this game, I really am.

We don't know if it worked out... If your target was Alien or WW then we don't know... It tells us that they are not Mafia only, right?
So my point stands on you being derpy with that.

[Vedith]

Oh, then I mis read what you were saying.
No, I do not think ETL and Soren are scum together.
They would not have shot the way they did on day 1 if they were. They would have kept both shots and pushed for enough mis lynches to make it an easy win.

Anyone to argue that they are scum together is completely wrong.

The only 3 I am confident is scum are between you/Soren/Lucky

I have reasons to believe CN is town.

Before you fly off the handle, I'm not saying you are scum here I am saying that I can't see it being CN or ETL.

[Vedith]

That's literally all I wanted. Them not being scum together is exactly why I'm comfortable hopping on your wagon. It wasn't a scum wagon at all nor was it "scumteam-motivated" because at least 2/3 were town.

Well actually imo only 1/3 is town for me. Plus when I say scum pushed, it can easily be by just 1.

I want to hear them.

It's not hard to work out...

I'm not about to start flaming you if you're worried about that. Why ETL > Soren?

Just because of the day 1 shot information. Soren just took it upon himself while ETL wanted input.

[Vedith]

I know you can't read me and I've come to accept that you won't ever be able to. That's why I'm trying to make it easy on you and let you know that it's 2/3. Even if I'm scum, at least I'm not lying to you here, right?

Spell it out for me in alphabet soup.

Even if you are scum? Well say you and Soren were scum, it's 1/3 not scum on the wagon, not 2/3. So I don't understand what your argument is here?

I think giving my reason would be silly right now.

[Vedith]

2/3 town on the wagon. Even if I'm scum, I'd say the same thing. Have you been this confused about all of my posts because you seem to be misunderstanding even the most basic of them.

Why's that?

Well it's actually more of an irrelevant comment from yourself. It's not a case of what you will say as scum, but more what the odds actually are for me and others for scum to be on the wagon (imo that's 1/3 ate town).
Keeping in mind, my argument was that scum pushed for me, not how many scum were on my wagon and how many town were, you decided to add that for, well who knows. o.0

[Vedith]

Four votes on four different people... This is a mess.

In fairness, this was Lucky's last comment.
I think he's had the same effect as CN (Although CN is staying town for me).

Urgh what is Lucky doing this game. I'm not seeing any town motivation and just getting upset when ETL pushed for his lynched earlier.

So what's your opinion on him again? Do you think Lucky is scum or no?

[Vedith]

Would scum!Vedith not care about the outcome?

i feel that he tends to be (even more) trolly and assholey and snappy and excuse-makey. here he's actually engaging.

That's mean...

[Vedith]

I'm only joking there, I don't take offence so easily.

[Vedith]

Deadline is in 10 days, 5 hours, 37 minutes (Sat Dec 12 @ 9:30:00 PM EST).

There's no rush, honestly.
I want to hear his input first.

As I said, if we lynch wrong today, we might lose.

[Vedith]

She is a lyncher target below. Just realized this, feeling stupid it took me this long.

To be quite fair, ETL, if you're lyncher, just claim it.

At least if you're a lyncher, you can just claim and get outta here.

Spoiler:

Ummm...

[Vedith]

ETL is a day vig, not a lyncher...
It's impossible for him to be a lyncher.

[Vedith]

No it isn't. Lyncher is an alignment, not a role power.

No, lyncher align is neutral, lyncher is the role...

[Vedith]

From the wiki, it's listed with the possible alignments. I may have been wrong about lyncher win con but I generally know my stuff with idea games.

Fair enough, you learn something new every day then.

[Vedith]

On later. Weather knocked out my internet last night...

[Vedith]

CN is town. - Doc night 1 (no kill)
Soren is town. - RB night 2 (1 kill)

So unless someone has any other reason why a kill would or wouldn't go through, it's an automatic win and scum are in Lucky and/or Hinduragi

[Vedith]

So let me explain my reasons first to what I did.

The Cop only tells you Mafia (It tells me if they are align with Mafia or not). I would have to first of all hit the right faction and go for a stronger scum read, when I had 2 strong town reads.

Both ETL and CN were town reads the difference with ETL is that there was enough forcus betwwen ETL and Lucky to not inherit the NK.
If Lucky is scum, Lucky won't kill ETL, if lucky isn't scum, scum will let ETL push Lucky...
No one else was in the town section at that point, and Ash really wasn't and isn't the most towny looking person.

However, Lucky is right! I am fucking stupid
I was so mind set on Soren making the kill or not I just went with the clearing him...

With the RB on Soren, that's pretty obvious... It was either him or Ash that was going to get it.

So there's 2 ways I can see with Soren;

1 - Not scum, as scum he would have made the kill as getting caught would be let of an issue since his power is used.
2 - Scum, not making the kill to avoid detection.

I don't really like option 2 as much because I was bread crumbing yesterday at healing CN, so he would have probably expected doc.

[Vedith]

Alignment - Town Watcher
Role - JOAT
Throw away - Cop Lover

Did you say yours yet, Ash?

[Vedith]

You want me to claim, yes?

Go for it.

[Vedith]

I'm the JOAT. I took no action last night because I NL'd specifically to see if you fucks would make a kill and confirm my theory on whether we had no killing 3rd party or killing mafia. I knew it all along.

This is the worst counter claim ever... You didn't use your powers...
And not even a vote on me.

Scum found, but this means there has to be 1 other otherwise the play would be stupid.

VOTE: Hinduragi

Pedit - Not a vote on me.
Still the shittest CC

[Vedith]

If you believe that a JOAT won't use his power...

[Vedith]

doesn't even know his cards...

[Vedith]

Either that or the dumbest scum slip ever lol.

[Vedith]

That's the most stupid thing anyone can say.

[Vedith]

I should be CONFIRMED SCUM cc'ing you. Your second thought is "oh shit thats not my right frame of mind, better show that I think it's a scumslip lol"

You realise what a scum slip is right?
It's not what I know your alignment is, it's how you fucked up.

[Vedith]

Judas is the one that starts as townie and gets turned into mafia if they get lynched, right Hindu?

Yup that's the one... Different to what he originally said...

[Vedith]

So Vedith, why did you decide to kill ETL?

The 1 person town reading me and sticking to it?
I'm guessing that you actually are Ash's partner then?

As I said, it has to be 2 scum left for Ash to CC xD

[Vedith]

It's how your mind works. And that was your first thought which you posted quite too soon without thinking about it, something you need to be very careful of and just messed up.

I was already voting you and called you out...
That's when you fucked up with the scum slip, learn the difference.

[Vedith]

What are you talking about? xD
If there was no NK from blocking Soren it would have confirmed that he is scum...

[Vedith]

I'm most likely going to vote Vedith. He's my scum read all game and I can understand Hindu's actions. But I'll sit on this for a day or so to process this information and make sure it's the right vote.

Thanks for confirming to be his partner.
As long as Lucky and CN vote right, we vote you tomorrow.

[Vedith]

Trust me Ash, that's not an insult. That's telling you to learn the difference on something...

[Vedith]

I think you mean when they lynch Hindu and he flips town and we lynch you tomorrow.

Okay, lets try it...
If he's town then obviously I would be lynched.
However, it's 100% going to be scum flip for him.

And when that happens, you are going to be getting lynched. :Cool:

[Vedith]

I confirmed with Marquis before NL yesterday that, if I block someone, would I be informed I successfully blocked? Guess what? The answer's no.

I think the no kill would explain the kill not happening.
You are fucking stupid.

[Vedith]

Actually, you know what. I think it's Lucky and Ash...
Let me post why...

[Vedith]

The entire point of the NL was to see if scum had a NK or not. If anyone's fucking stupid, it's you because you can't even see why, as town, I would want to NL in the first place despite Soren/ETL going at it yesterday.

Why do scum not have a night kill?
If anyone reads this post game, they are going to think you are so stupid...

[Vedith]

Spoiler:

Vote: Vedith

Flash wagon go.

Rushing day 1 (Ash's first post) Scum points for Lucky

Lucky wagon is bad and you should feel bad.

Comments like this protect Lucky - Lucky scum points
Lets look into this more.

Nope but he has the least chances of being scum based on what I know. I'm not starting the flash wagon on him lol.

Of his 3 cards, he chose the mafia one to discard. It's likely the other two are anti-mafia. My first set of cards was mafia, town, town. My next set was town, town, town. It's likely he didn't get more than two. He's more likely to be town however small those odds may be. I'm starting the wagon on someone else because of that knowledge.

Of his 3 cards, he chose the mafia one to discard. It's likely the other two are anti-mafia.

My first set of cards was mafia, town, town.

My next set was town, town, town. It's likely he didn't get more than two. He's more likely to be town however small those odds may be. I'm starting the wagon on someone else because of that knowledge.

Off the bat, he is defending him as not likely scum... (Lets also look at the bolded part... The only person to receive 2 sets of cards). - A lot of scum points for Lucky

Suzune, I'll forgive you for that because you just got in here and there's a ton of noise. We wagon Vedith now.

He was desperate to get the attention away from Lucky - More scum points

First person to dayvig vedith gets my unlynchable gift tonight. I promise.

However, knowledge of a dayvig straight here. Points for Soren as partner still. Scum points for Soren

LOOOL

Unvote; Vote: Lucky2u

GOT 'EM.

This is what confuses me, he does a complete 180 on Lucky... o.0

Soren I don't like of all the people here mostly because of her defense of vedith but it's likely she just doesn't understand statistics.

What kind of comment is this? It's fence sitting. Scum points for Soren

cky's town. That tree isn't even worth barking up anymore.

Scum points for Lucky

Jesus Christ, Lucky, if I didn't think you were town, I would vote the shit out of you. You pop up at the exact scummiest moments possible.

I mean, look at this shit. XD

P.S. Dayvig gummybears. I want to see the flip.

Asking for the dayvig on someone who won't argue with him or make him look bad, the most inactive.

Actually I just ISO'd aphix and I'd say he's a great shot too given that he hasn't said shit during the entire game.

Actually I don't like the chances of that. Gummybears is the way to go.

Swaps, tehn swaps straight back, probably for the reason I just stated.

Hey, you're both town so try to keep the back and forth small here.

He knew they were town, because he's scum

Oh, fuck you. Fuck you so hard.

Unvote; Vote: Soren

Major scum points for Lucky, and town points for Soren.

What are the chances scum are a super minority in this game

I don't understand this comment? It would only suit him being a solo scum, but it makes no sense for town to say at all.

BOOM. Ok, so obvkill on me probably. Don't even care. Gj whoever blocked w/e. I'm not claiming but I am here to say, and confidently I might add since we got the psychotrooper, that Chaotic Neutrality is Not Guilty.

What makes me laugh here... He tries to cover his back for if there was a watcher/tracker! It's obvious that he attacked CN, and it's obvious that I protected CN at this stage.

If we're lynching liars, I'm more inclined to lynch you as half of your post was lying when you stated why you thought she was scum. Vigging against the consensus being entirely wrong.

Empty threat, no follow up - Scum points for Lucky

If you both weren't being stubborn, you'd see the other is probtown. This is dumb.

ETL/Soren/Lucky, leaving me CN/vedith. Not liking CN honestly. ISO him and you'll see. Calling for Soren lynch, no vote. Still going off it today. Why? Because vigshot. "if it helps im not guilty" yes, but I think you're likely third party without a kill and don't want to participate in this game anymore.

Vote: CN

Votes CN even though got a read on "Not Mafia"...

I'm pretty much a universal townread, vedith. That's why.

No idea where this come from... It's scum being too confident.

I really doubt Lucky is scum and you've pretty much ignored it while you two went at it and argued semantics over "false conftown card claims = lying mafia" and "argument is dumb so must be scum".

Defending Lucky... Again... Scum points Lucky.

Don't know about this. Only Lucky-scum truly trying to actively hunt other alignments would say this and that means he thought his hammer was genuinely helpful.

Lucky has had a ton of scummy things but his play as a whole feels very atypical of scum play.

I'm not sure if I need to go on, as I'm confident Lucky is the scum partner...

If there is a team of 2, that means it's in Soren/ETL, my top two town reads.

Agreed. But Lucky is scummy as shit in the way he pops in and responds so selectively with so little content at moments where a lot of dicussion is taking place. See above.

And you, vedith. You're just an asshole sometimes. Yet you still chose town. At least be MAN ENOUGH to pick scum and THEN call me an idiot. But NO, you wanted to be on my side.

Starts to act nice to me when he's scared of being lycnhed

If I'm going to be lynched, just do it. JUST END IT. For Christ's sake. I just want a NL at this point.

If this is how it ends, so be it. My people know that I tried in this game.

Only scum say "lych me"...

Don't think vedith or lucky are happening today because I don't want to vote either at this stage of the game.

Lets fast forward to today...
I say my roles (It's 100% obvious I am JOAT) and this is the response.

here and don't want to say anything more until CN posts. Details to follow.

FTR, still waiting on CN. We aren't voting until then. Don't let scum convince you to do otherwise. This is almost certainly LyLo for us.

So a few things here.
No question on me straight away. As a "JOAT" himself, wouldn't that strike instantly?
Looks to me to be debating to throw Lucky under the bus or not.. Since my post says that I think it's either Ash or Lucky (or both).
He says most likely LyLo, basically saying that he knows there is 2 left.

He has not formally claimed but has hinted at it. I want him to clarify it exactly as it is.

Apparently saying that I both roleblocked and healed is only hinting...

No I didn't, you fucker. Specifically because I WANTED to lull you into a bad fakeclaim that one of us already had the role for. I knew it. I'm the JOAT. I took no action last night because I NL'd specifically to see if you fucks would make a kill and confirm my theory on whether we had no killing 3rd party or killing mafia. I knew it all along. I fakecrumbed Cop of all trades both to draw a NK or force scum into making a NK out of fear of results. I also did so because there's no way in hell I'm giving you my real role as crumbs SPECIFICALLY so you'd do something like this, thinking JOAT isn't a role anyone's drawn. (see: Soren/CN thought I may've been JOAT yesterday so there's no way they had the role)

"Mentions trying to draw your NK"]

I'm fairly sure scum are screwed and they know as such.

Pretty much yeah. I feel really good about this game.

I haven't claimed but my role is more than meets the eye so I'm fairly sure we can get some info from it.

I would rather everyone go into a NL behaving without the knowledge of the rest of the town as to what may and may not give up information.

OH YOU SHOULD'VE SEEN THIS COMING

NO DONT CLAIM

This is after he has seen my JOAT claim... Still no vote.


And to end the day

Yeah, it's

SAULUS

. The ONLY card in that deck that's unique and ALWAYS starts off as town hence why it confirms me as town. I already claimed my result. I breadcrumbed Saulus far far before in D1 or such when I was telling you all I had a card that confirms me as town.

Oh fuck me. It's fucking Judas, not Saulus. Fuck me in the ass.

Overall, it's evident that Ash is scum, and Lucky is his partner.
I'm off to bed, I'll let Ash cry over this evidence.

[Vedith]

Well now... This is an interesting development...

CN... I hate to put this pressure on you but the game is in your hands because I am definitely following my boy Vedith. Mostly because Hindu has scum slipped several times in this CC. If he is town I'm OK lynching him knowing it's still his fault for being bad at CCing.

Lol what?
Trying to gain some town cred here?

[Vedith]

WHY THE FUCK WOULD I NOT JUST SUPPORT THEM AND LYNCH YOU FOR THE WIN?

You know me better than to think I would take word so easily!
You saying that you will vote Lucky instead of me and you actually doing it are 2 different things. The fact that you are waiting for Soren to vote me says it all to be fair lol.

[Vedith]

*Ash, not yourself. xD

[Vedith]

Vedith... Now that you know I'm not Hindu's partner. Give me a reason not to lynch you.

I already gave reasons to why Ash is scum.
Considering my actions match up and Ash is talking complete bullshit.
You can even see from the delay itself from me claiming what I did to him CC. If he was really that role, he would have CC instantly.
The fact that ETL was town reading me and died says a lot really.

Regardless, Ash already scum claimed.

[Vedith]

I do want to point out though that the scumteam has been specifically avoiding responding to both my points and Soren's points against them

That's the thing, you are trying to convince me that I'm scum where I'm convincing town that you're scum.

[Vedith]

GG town! Lucky! Why didn't you team with me as a WW! We could have been unstoppable!
Thanks for modding and cheers for the game all, I love this style of game. ^^

[Vedith]

I won as survivor yay.

Sneaky!
Would you have sided with me in the next day or no?

[Vedith]

You mean if hindu got lynched instead?

Yeah lol

[Vedith]

Vedith, you tried, man. You tried. I was rooting for you.

Thanks Bowser =D
When I realised that there were no other scum I thought I would just try to stir things up.

I actually thought that CN was survivor or anti town, so I would have killed Soren if I wasn't lynched and claimed a guilty on Lucky.

[Vedith]

What's funny is if Vedith had not killed me, he probably would have successfully helped me mislynch Lucky and won. lol..

You always worry me though!
That's why I killed you in Town of Helen as well (Which would have won it for us if I didn't) xD

[Vedith]

lol!! why on earth do I worry you??

Because you're either more active or have more savvy in general than others.
I always expect you to flip round on me