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In post 18, Soren wrote:VOTE: Hinduragi for building a counter wagon
Also that doesn't make sense if you want a flash wagon, why not vote lucky which already has a mini wagon on it?
at least 5 people must be town for the game to be valid, correct?
hm. i suppose i'd be fine lynching from {chaotic, gummy, aphix, soren, suzune}. let's narrow this down a bit. vedith, lucky, hindu - what are your thoughts on those people?
i asked aphix and lucky because i know them and felt i might be able to get a read based on how they reacted to being asked that. i'm usually not around too much on the weekend. i had some trouble following the reads on vedith but had otherwise not really gotten out of RVS myself.
i agree with you about suzune but it's not strong enough yet to add them to my list.
hm. i suppose i'd be fine lynching from {chaotic, gummy, aphix, soren, suzune}. let's narrow this down a bit. vedith, lucky, hindu - what are your thoughts on those people?
According to the special notes, it is at least two town players.
Has marquis changed it? Wiki says no valid game unless at least half the list is town.
In post 118, Soren wrote:Lucky discarded a mafia card and claims to have gotten a werewolf and compulsive childkiller card. Looking at how anti town the compulsive childkiller is, I can see how Lucky would choose that for his alignment instead. But that would only be the case if his other card is town. But since he got a werewolf card I can easily see him taking the werewolf alignment and taking the compulsive childkiller card so that he gets a free kill if there is an innocent child.
from my POV i don't see the second situation as a choice lucky would likely make because it's not useful compared to his discard, if he really wanted to be an anti-town faction. he could have taken mafia and used the ww card as the ability. compulsive child killer is a risky card to claim, and his claiming it makes him more likely to be telling the truth.
In post 125, Hinduragi wrote:Really REALLY don't think that now was a good time to claim that. At all. We're like 2 fuckin days into this game. Too soon. Hell, one of these guys even has 2 posts. TWO. I can't make a decision based off of that.
Normally I would have, but I don't really take these Great/Greater/Greatest idea games too seriously. Might as well make it interesting. I don't mind waiting a few days.
In post 138, Suzune wrote:According to the card list there are two day vig townies in the deck and one day vig mafia so sure it is possible for them to be scum.
yes but card alignment doesn't matter when it's used as the role. it was a mafia dayvig card.
in my opinion, my alignment doesn't even matter in this game. I did choose town, but like I said, I don't expect to make it very far. I had two town cards and one mafia card. town investigator (cult or not cult) which I thought was lame, town weak jailer which I didn't like due to the high probability of large numbers of non town players, and I wanted to be a dayvig. it was the strongest role available in the cards I got.
In post 150, Suzune wrote:While that is true. There is more power in knowing it is out there EspeciallyTheLies. That is all I am saying.
Correct. For others.
My thinking was this - outing it would allow people to not only get a read on my slot, based on what they thought of me and how I handle the situation, but it also offers information on other slots who are giving their opinions on the matter. Furthermore, using it D1 gives us tons more information than any other time, when it's likely that a lot of the town power is reduced due to antitown PRs snuffing them out or blocking them. It allows us TWO flips so that if the first one - the vig shot - is wrong, you still have time to take a look at who was pushing for who and why.
In this instance, the benefit to town far outweighs any benefit to non-town.
Meaning, it benefits multiple people who are likely to be town on the whole, versus benefiting a single person who may or may not be town, from your POV.
for two reasons - 1) once i shoot, it's likely that a large portion of the game will be townreading me. that by itself is a threat and not something that sticks around very long. and 2) there are enough people in this game that know me that the chances of one of them being scum and wanting to kill me are high enough to have confidence in that statement.
and lastly, it would be easy to push a lynch on me if anyone actually wanted to, so whether I get NK'd or lynched, one or another, I'm probably not making it to LYLO.
actually suzune might actually be scum. she asked me why I claimed. I answered. she then says she has no idea why I claimed. she's not reading answers to her own questions. she doesn't care about the answers.
There are several people currently pushing for shooting suzune, and at least a couple who seem to be against the idea. Suzune's flip reveals possible motivations for those people. Reactions to the flip will as well. I also feel that Suzune has a good chance of being scum.
I'm a little concerned that I need to explain this to you - you've been playing for over a year now and should be comfortable with basic mafia theory.
In post 198, aphix wrote:He's just scummy. All the time. He provides no benefit to the game. And is anti town. He's continued that play here.
I disagree with you. I think you are viewing his play through contempt-colored glasses due to previous encounters with him. Ignore him. Talk about someone else please.
In post 198, aphix wrote:He's just scummy. All the time. He provides no benefit to the game. And is anti town. He's continued that play here.
I disagree with you. I think you are viewing his play through contempt-colored glasses due to previous encounters with him. Ignore him. Talk about someone else please.
Great. You disagree. Show me evidence of me being wrong.
The burden of proof is on you, aphix, as you are the one making the claim. My perception hasn't been the same as yours and I feel that your opinion of him has been stated, several times, without an actual case, so at this point you are just wasting time you could be spending sorting and giving your input on other players. By continuing to state the same things about Vedith over and over and over again, you are avoiding doing anything else.
In post 204, aphix wrote:So you can't show me where he's being helpful?
You are speaking about his play on the whole... the games I've played with him are still on-going. The games of his that are finished that I've read do not give me the impression you are trying to perpetuate here. You made a claim that "he always looks scummy and he's always unhelpful." I said I disagreed based on what I've seen of him on-site thus far. If you're asking me to go dig up his old games, you can fuck off because that's not happening. Do your own homework. If you want to back up your claim with evidence, go right ahead.
And, to top it off, you're ignoring the very real concern I've brought to the table, which is that you are avoiding discussion about any other player by focusing only on Vedith. You suspect he is scum. Fine. That's great. You've said that already. Duly noted. What about other people?
There's also the fact that I don't give enough of a shit about Vedith to go do your work for you just to prove something ridiculous to you. The onus of discovery is on you to determine if you are being logical or not. It's clear to me that your impression of his play is highly biased and essentially worthless to the discussion unless you have actual, verifiable evidence to support what you are saying.
Aphix, all I did was state my disagreement, which I'm allowed to do, and it is perfectly valid given the whiney, bitchy nature of your posts about him - you are the one continuing to press a non-existent issue.
Also, you're very bad at this game. Offering a second lynch to town for discussion is pretty damn pro-town. How you managed to convince yourself otherwise is kind of hilarious.
I personally feel very good about the fact that you will look like an idiot when I flip. I recognize that you don't have a lot of experience playing with me, so you don't really know how I play or what I'm capable of. That's still no excuse to go full retard.
In post 210, aphix wrote:If you don't think the vedith talk is worthwhile why bring it to light because that just continues the same discussion. Maybe go ahead and do what you tell me to do and start other discussion.
This shows an extreme lack of comprehension on your part. I never said anything about discussion regarding Vedith being worthless. I said YOUR discussion about Vedith is worthless because it is biased and unfounded. Trying to turn the case around on someone who is asking you to support your claims by saying "no YOU" is not only childish, but silly and illogical, and all it does is serve to stop someone questioning you. You are clearly getting upset by it, and retaliate by voting the person making the inquiry. That tells me your vote isn't based on actual scum hunting or suspicion, but pure vindictiveness and OMGUS. I'm pointing these things out
because I like you
and I'm trying to work with you by asking you about your thoughts on other players, and in response you give me bullshit and angry words.
In post 222, aphix wrote:I am still honestly curious though if you are in such disagreement with me that vedith is a wasted slot as to what makes you think that?
In post 225, aphix wrote:You actually stated based on other games you've played with him. I'm asking for evidence in this game
But I'm not talking about this game.... and neither were you.... so... this is why I'm like wtf are you even saying. You said he is "always scummy" and "always unhelpful" and he's "continuing that" here. That has nothing to do with this game, but his behavior as a player in general, to which I responded that I disagreed with your assessment of his playstyle. Period. Stop trying to confuse this.
I said I would wait a few days. I'd like to interact with people more and figure out how I feel about where people are coming from. I don't know why people are acting like they can't scumhunt at all until I shoot someone. That's a really huge copout.
Again, that's not what I said. I asked if it was common for your emotions to affect your actions. You said it wasn't. I replied then that if it wasn't common for your emotions to affect your actions, then it isn't something you would normally do in a game, so I have to wonder why. The way it happened and the way you excused it does not look to me to be a simple "I was angry and wanted to shoot something." You didn't seem emotional yesterday. In fact, you were pretty level-headed and then just went "oops". I don't really buy it.
I mean, I can understand getting emotional in a game. I do all the time. My emotions often affect the things I do. That is common for me and something that people would be able to expect from me as any alignment. The problem here is that people are town 75%+ of the games they participate in. If your actions were commonly affected by your emotions, this would reflect in many of your games. You just said it doesn't. The conclusion here is that you're using it to excuse your hasty shot.
The other issue I have is the fact that if you were town, the numbers involved with this game would have been something on your mind. You know that there is a very good chance that town do not make up a large majority of the players, in which case, as town, we are at a disadvantage, and shooting incorrectly would be a huge mistake. These were all things on my mind when I made the decision to claim and offer other players the option of giving their input.
It just doesn't look like any of that was a concern to you, especially given your reaction.
In post 148, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:in my opinion, my alignment doesn't even matter in this game. I did choose town, but like I said, I don't expect to make it very far. I had two town cards and one mafia card. town investigator (cult or not cult) which I thought was lame, town weak jailer which I didn't like due to the high probability of large numbers of non town players, and I wanted to be a dayvig. it was the strongest role available in the cards I got.
Art is cool.
I answered this for you already.Art is cool.
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I hear this a lot IRL.