In post 150, Suzune wrote:While that is true. There is more power in knowing it is out there EspeciallyTheLies. That is all I am saying.
Correct. For others.
My thinking was this - outing it would allow people to not only get a read on my slot, based on what they thought of me and how I handle the situation, but it also offers information on other slots who are giving their opinions on the matter. Furthermore, using it D1 gives us tons more information than any other time, when it's likely that a lot of the town power is reduced due to antitown PRs snuffing them out or blocking them. It allows us TWO flips so that if the first one - the vig shot - is wrong, you still have time to take a look at who was pushing for who and why.
In this instance, the benefit to town far outweighs any benefit to non-town.
Meaning, it benefits multiple people who are likely to be town on the whole, versus benefiting a single person who may or may not be town, from your POV.
In post 136, Soren wrote:What logical process did you take to assume that there is a chance he is scum? Since everyone in this game has a chance of being scum.
well your question comes with the qualifing statement that everyone has a chance of being scum and you are asking what "logical" process I used. I used no logic whatsoever. It's Day 1, there is no flip, there is no night action results, there is ZERO logic to be had at the moment. Based on logic alone, the chances of each of you being scum are exactly the same. I chose him based on his tone and current attitude. In other words, gut.
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I did choose town, but like I said, I don't expect to make it very far.
I had two town cards and one mafia card. town investigator (cult or not cult) which I thought was lame, town weak jailer which I didn't like due to the high probability of large numbers of non town players, and I wanted to be a dayvig. it was the strongest role available in the cards I got.
This statement feels off to me. If you are town, why do you think scum would bother with you after you've blown your shot? You will likely still be alive tomorrow because as Town you are useless Day 2 and beyond and as scum you aren't going to shoot yourself. A second scum faction wouldn't bother killing you for same reason as if youre town. A vig is really the only reason you would die tonight.
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for two reasons - 1) once i shoot, it's likely that a large portion of the game will be townreading me. that by itself is a threat and not something that sticks around very long. and 2) there are enough people in this game that know me that the chances of one of them being scum and wanting to kill me are high enough to have confidence in that statement.
and lastly, it would be easy to push a lynch on me if anyone actually wanted to, so whether I get NK'd or lynched, one or another, I'm probably not making it to LYLO.
In post 141, Hinduragi wrote:Goddammit guys, you were supposed to see who he vigs before letting the cat out of the bag that it's possible he might not be town.
since it's out of the bag. do you think ETL is likely doing this as scum? Wouldn't it have been better for her to hold the shot and use it as a game closer or even wait until it's likely she'll get lynched as a pre-emptive strike so to speak? I've been thinking about the way she is doing this and it doesn't strike me as the scum way to do day vig. I am NOT conf towning her but I read it as town.
Nah, ETL is town as shit but letting the shot go through while assuming he's town and letting everyone else assume that is a great, great tool for judging reactions, especially his own. Never go in 100% if you can help it.
And nope. I think in this gametype anything flies. I'm essentially a VT with how bullshit my role is and how many night actions will fly around at Night.
we are just letting him know we are on to his game.
That's exactly the problem. Let him and everyone else assumes he's the town dayvig until the shot goes through. If it was a scum gambit to make a quick kill, see who he picks and then we get to see who he kills (possibly even a scum buddy) and see what everyone else said based on the knowledge that everyone thinks he's town. Letting everyone know about it being a role-only thing is dumb as fuck because it only fills in the clueless.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
There isn't much to say. Although at this point I like how at least one person is sidestepping actually laying out his thoughts instead of taking a stance on it.
It's mostly a lot of circle jerking going on. I say vig Vedith so that I'll play the game.
In post 154, Lucky2u wrote:Based on logic alone, the chances of each of you being scum are exactly the same. I chose him based on his tone and current attitude. In other words, gut.
I believe that the argument going on so far is that there is some kind of mathematical logic that can be applied based on the number of cards in the deck and the likelyhood that someone draws x number of cards. However, between that and Murphy's Law, I think it comes out about even. So I tend to agree with you.
In post 156, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:for two reasons - 1) once i shoot, it's likely that a large portion of the game will be townreading me. that by itself is a threat and not something that sticks around very long. and 2) there are enough people in this game that know me that the chances of one of them being scum and wanting to kill me are high enough to have confidence in that statement
I tend to disagree with you. Perhaps I am a more suspicious person. However, you are seeing this different then I. After you make your shot you are basically a non-aligned innocent child. Everyone knows what you did but unless you pose a threat to either side no one is really going to move on you until it becomes critical. Start pressuring the mafia or another faction and you die. Be a threat to the town they lynch you. Because of this balance, I cannot understand why you bothered to claim.
actually suzune might actually be scum. she asked me why I claimed. I answered. she then says she has no idea why I claimed. she's not reading answers to her own questions. she doesn't care about the answers.
In post 170, aphix wrote:Or just shoot Suzunne so we can lynch Vedith.
i see how it is, I must be scum since I disagree.
No, but that right there makes me think that you could be scum ... Care to show where you and myself are disagreeing? Because I don't see evidence of that .... But I do like people that make things up.
