The Arrogance of Newbs

[St Constantine the Hermit]

People who come to mafia have a very high opinion of themselves. They are not very humble, and not only do they do things that look extremely stupid to experienced players with years of experience, but they immediately put themselves on the same level as these players too.

MS definitely has the highest number of newbs compared to any site which hosts mafia. I have noticed a lot of mislynches in different games which were dominated by players of less experience, and completely devoid of experienced players.

So there is the problem, now here is the solution. We have not been hazing newbs enough! Seriously, we need to demean newbs the moment they enter the game. Don't address them by their real names, just call them newbs and stick by it. Otherwise they are going to bring down the win rates of all the experienced players. Come on guys, you have been way to nice to newbs. While we are at it, we might as well limit their rights on the site too.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

You didn't act like a newb when I played with you.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

@Taly

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Joined : October 22, 2014

I have played mafia for three years. This is my second account on this site, but I have played mafia a lot more on various other community forums.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

@Taly - He is parodying me actually. That whole thing is a direct quote. He must think the OP contradicts those statements somehow

[St Constantine the Hermit]

I have played mafia for three years. This is my second account on this site, but I have played mafia a lot more on various other community forums.

Joined : 2012

Actually since you bring it up, I probably started closer to late 2011.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

we need to demean newbs the moment they enter the game. Don't address them by their real names, just call them newbs and stick by it. Otherwise they are going to bring down the win rates of all the experienced players. Come on guys, you have been way to nice to newbs. While we are at it, we might as well limit their rights on the site too.

3. Be nice to each other, and more importantly, give people second chances. We have a tendency to create a first impression of people, and when that first impression is negative, it becomes difficult to change our outlook. This makes it incredibly difficult for players who have been perceived negatively at first to adapt, because others already have a pre-conceived notion that everything they do or say sucks.

Practice what you preach.

There is a difference between hazing and being mean. Hazing is more along the lines of a rite to initiation. I am not asking people to go out and call newbs retards and other names, which was what prompted me to make that last thread.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

If thats your only mafia experience you are still a super newbie.

That is coming from someone who has joined 10 years ago though, so you really are a veteran if anything.

There isn't one activity where you are no longer a greenback after at least two years. Of course, I had an advantage since I am verifiably smarter than all of you.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

If thats your only mafia experience you are still a super newbie.

So actually I think she just reached the threshold of no longer being a newbie.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Okay, so how do we differentiate being a newbie from just sucking? For example, I suck hard as mafia. I only win as mafia 1 fifth of the time. On the other hand, I rarely ever lose as town. Last time I checked I had something close to a 92% win rate as town.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

I still wouldn't call you a super newbie. I would say you are borderline non-newbie.

Different people are going to set different criteria though.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

I've never really felt a sense of elitism on this site. At least not a culture; you get a few people who are arrogant as shit about themselves and think they're always right and everyone else is wrong, but it's definitely a few individuals with elitism about themselves, rather than a general site attitude.

I think the last 10 games I have played in, at least half of them, some person mentioned their join date as some kind of proof to their argument being right.

I don't mind talking about your experience playing the game. I do mind players acting like it makes them know all or that they are inherently know better. I myself was horrible with this actually in Netherspites blitz game. I continued to shout that lynching Neutrals was a waste of our lynches. Turns out it was the right call. I still hold my stance had merit, but I definitely was acting like a bit of a elitist snob trying to affirm my own stance on it.

I agree that this would also be a problem, but the direct opposite is also a problem. When you have newbies which are not humble about their amount of experience, you are not doing town any favors.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

I've never really felt a sense of elitism on this site. At least not a culture; you get a few people who are arrogant as shit about themselves and think they're always right and everyone else is wrong, but it's definitely a few individuals with elitism about themselves, rather than a general site attitude.

I think the last 10 games I have played in, at least half of them, some person mentioned their join date as some kind of proof to their argument being right.

I don't mind talking about your experience playing the game. I do mind players acting like it makes them know all or that they are inherently know better. I myself was horrible with this actually in Netherspites blitz game. I continued to shout that lynching Neutrals was a waste of our lynches. Turns out it was the right call. I still hold my stance had merit, but I definitely was acting like a bit of a elitist snob trying to affirm my own stance on it.

I agree that this would also be a problem, but the direct opposite is also a problem. When you have newbies which are not humble about their amount of experience, you are not doing town any favors.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

^Isn't there supposed to be a filter in place to stop this?