Blitz 7: Hardcore Mafia III (Game Over)

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@CN Yakko is town I think.

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Oh I almost forgot.

Hi. I enter bringing fire. A fire that burns away fluff.

VOTE: Firebringer

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Who else besides me thinks that a flipless game is troll?

I don't like this post.

I like his questions. His vote.

I don't like his fluff.

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UNVOTE:
Still don't like that post.

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So I have to admit, I'm not too familiar with optimal play in this game.

As far as I can tell, the best strategy seems to be lynching the scummiest player each day and hoping that they're scum, while assuming the whole time that every lynch is on town.

Is that right? I was hoping someone here with more experience with the setup could tell.

What's wrong with the strategy you mentioned?

Who would have more experience, what would they say?

I don't get this post.

Lynch blocks on Page Four are terrible and Ranger knows this.
Zzzzzzzzzz(X)

Why don't you post real things?

If fb isn't scum, and blood wasn't scum (which maybe we should assume if ranger is right) Poe says mm and ep are scum to me.

106 seems uncomfortably opportunistic to me

hi.

Wut? Pls explain.

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Eagle what do you think about Errant and Mario? Give details if you could.

Mario adds almost literally nothing to the game. I don't like it. "Fluff is bad and not town" *after posting fluff fluff fluffy unicorn*

His vote on ika was something that I was considering though. Ika seems town though, because I don't think ika thinks they will really get lynched because no one has a reason to vote. Too careless to be scum kinda I think.

Also Mario s wagon seemed to hit a wall. I don't like that either.

And I don't like parabola s reads list.

He does some strange things too. Like question the wagon on Mario. Since I have scum read on Mario this is suspcious.

Also he started wagon on blood which was too easy lynch. I understand day end but I don't like it just the same. If day end lynch he should have voted blood I think

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Who are you an alt of

Extrapolated Eagle replaces TheLhix.

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Who are you an alt of

Oh unless you knew I replaced thelhix and think I'm an alt of someone else?

I'm not an alt.

Who are you an alt of?

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Oh boy I word things weird sometimes

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I feel like I should add that Mr parabola is not as strong a read for me.

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Not that your main. I don't see you being some new player who comes in like thsi

This is my only mafia scum account. I had another one a while back, but I only played one newbie game, iirc, and I forgot what the name and password is or what email address I used to sign up with.

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The specific text speak he's using is common in epic mafia. Even so he could just be new to the site.

Ive played mafia before on another site, and a very little bit of epicmafia and town of Salem. But the majority of my mafia playing comes from before both of those.

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Do you not like voting, ika?

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What's wrong with the strategy you mentioned?

As far as I know...nothing?

I mean, I've been playing

using

that strategy, at the very least. (I think Blood was scum, but I'm still treating today as if Blood wasn't.)

Who would have more experience, what would they say?

I don't know, some player who maybe has played the setup before? I don't know people's gaming experience, which is why I made the question general rather than specific in the first place.

If fb isn't scum, and blood wasn't scum (which maybe we should assume if ranger is right) Poe says mm and ep are scum to me.

Okay....you have your vote on none of these people tho.
I like your entrance so far Extrapolated Eagle.

Don't I?


Oh crap I don't.

VOTE: Mario

Also I want to say that the difference between my read on ika and my read on ep is slim.

I am REaLLy curious as to why ika doesn't think it's important to vote on people at all. RVS doesn't usually last an entire day, you know.

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What's wrong with the strategy you mentioned?

As far as I know...nothing?

I mean, I've been playing

using

that strategy, at the very least. (I think Blood was scum, but I'm still treating today as if Blood wasn't.)

Who would have more experience, what would they say?

I don't know, some player who maybe has played the setup before? I don't know people's gaming experience, which is why I made the question general rather than specific in the first place.

Oops, meant to respond to this the first time I quoted it.

@Ranger: I first quoted this post when coming into the thread because I got weird tone reads off of it, not because it was scummy, but I kept reading and started seeing you as town. I was hoping that by asking questions about it I could get kind of what you were thinking when you posted this. If you know how to share what I want without me explaining it, that would be amazing, but I can't expect you to read my mind and I dont know how to explain it, so I'm gonna just drop this for now since other than this I like everything you've posted, and it might have just been my brain going weird since there isn't anything about the actual content of this post that I don't like.


Wow that was a lot of words. Sorry.

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VOTE: Eagle
I've given up on this game because apparently Ranger+friends have magically solved the game and are attempting to lynch town.
The most frustrating thing is that after I die Ranger is going to keep bragging "she caught skuhm!!11"

All due respect, sir, but when did you give this game a chance? I haven't seen you really try at all.

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UNVOTE:
Alright gimme some reads, Mario. How do you feel about EP?

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Errant might

actually

be town. Thinks for themself.

doea this mean you think a majority of players dont look town?

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Sigh.....

Wut.

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So as I understand it, scum don't have a night kill. And since indecision results in no lynch, so if we need more time we can always not lynch anyone.



Oh yeah. And if we're certain this is a bastard mod, we could out-bastard the mod and just never lynch anyone.

Just some thoughts I had.

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Marcos prob town after the extange

That's what I have gathered as well.

Well eagle didn't read setup so I'm gonna chalk that as town, good we are done

What did I miss?

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No lynching extends the deadline and iirc you can only do it once before rocks fall on everyone and we all die.

Would he really kill us all, though? Don't they have to have a champion?

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No lynching repeatedly in a game with no kills results in a tie. I'd prefer scum dead but maybe that's just me.

But if he kills us all because we refuse to vote..

Oh well never mind. Sorry.

I'll get back to playing the game, I just thought the rules were funny.

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Rather the opposite, I've liked everything Thelhix has done.

"I've liked everything Thelhix has done"

I quoted that twice in two different ways because that's how shocked I am

I've bumblefucked around not know what to do trying to find a way to assimilate myself into something substantial. What could be liked about my shit

I do not think this is a very town post.

ok so this needs more explanation.

This sounds legitimate.
My vote is still on Ranger.

No counter to my arguments?
Why is ranger scum?

I do not have any counter.
Your arguments are too legitimate.

This seems pretty town. Since there is some pressure on Mario at this point it's possible that a scummario would be hesitant to say something that outright admits to doing bad work in the past
I'm glad we dodged a mario lynch d1.

... Sarcasm = town? Wut.

Unless you're being sarcastic here. That would make more sense.

In this game, it might as well be.

I don't know about this logic, ranger.

... Explain again pls.

At the top of page 7 and I don't think I want to lynch Lhix.

This is a scum post. You have permission to die after FB.

I don't like this.

I don't like that I have to rely so heavily on gut this game, but it might be a good test to see how good it is.

How? No flip. Also... Explain. Again. Sorry.

VOTE: Errantparabola
This person isn't scumhunting at all.

I've seen Errant not scumhunt.

I'm pretty sure this is Errant scumhunting.

Honestly I agree with firebringer. I don't think anyone is seriously scumhunting as of this post though.

I don't like the things you say. Do you not make sense on purpose?

205 by eagle does not resonate well with me.
Also I think I did explain why. It was bad logic on a person that was already under pressure.

So... Mario is now a town read for me because of his reaction to my 205 and other things. He was useless/unreadable before. Explain pls, how this is bad. Also you say you don't trust your gut but you don't give reason for anything.

Also "doesn't resonate well with me" is gut.

Like question the wagon on Mario. Since I have scum read on Mario this is suspcious.

You've gotta be joking, mate. "You don't agree with my reads so you are suspicious?" That doesn't looks like good scumhunting to me

u got stronger reads from somewhere, m8? U see people scumhunting places giving you strong reads mate? Nothin happen. I have to base reads off something. And since theres no reason behind reads, I have to go by reads themselves.

If fb isn't scum, and blood wasn't scum (which maybe we should assume if ranger is right) Poe says mm and ep are scum to me.

Okay....you have your vote on none of these people tho.
I like your entrance so far Extrapolated Eagle.

I don't (and by Eagles logic that makes you suspicious as a result.)

Wut m8.

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Alright. Two more problems.

a quick rundown
A substantial amount of it is gut but I'm making do with what I have.

Didn't you say you don't like to go on gut? And then get on other people for going on flimsy things?

But it's ok because there's nothing happening so you can last resort to gut. But no one else can.


Wut

might be able to lynch this

Also.... Why do you care if you're able to lynch this? Shouldn't it be "is this scum or not?"

I'm extremely hesitant to call someone town for wanting to push activity into the game because I've seen scum do that before.
I'm also hesitant to call a lurker scum even in these circumstances.

You can always "scum can force activity" or "town can be lurker"

Yah they can. They can do anything. You can talk yourself out of voting anyone you keep talking like that. Anyone can do anything for any reason. So I don't like this post. It's an excuse is what it is.

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Hey eagle. Thanks for interacting with me.

no. Thanks for responding.

Lhix's 72 did not seem like a town post to me because it was 1) completely useless and 2) something that scum could easily say to try and snag some town points. "I don't see how ranger could townread me" is something that town has no reason to say. Not a strong read by any means.

I don't know. I think yeah generally not a town post. But back on my other site I had games where I would look back at my play and be like: I don't think I'm doing anything very alignment indicative. And then someone comes along and strong town reads me. That always sends up red alerts because in my shoes if I've just been fluffing up the thread and someone strong town reads me the only thought that comes to mind at first is "only scum and me fully know my alignment"

Mario's 90 I didn't read as sarcasm because he unvoted me later on.

ok, but I have to say "too legitimate" sounds sarcastic

Ranger's 116 i didn't agree with because of this right here:

I'm extremely hesitant to call someone town for wanting to push activity into the game because I've seen scum do that before.
I'm also hesitant to call a lurker scum even in these circumstances.

yes, but if the game is so bad with no activity that you have to go by gut, it can be less than optimal scum play to risk things by making activity, especially because, from my experience, that makes you look like a target

Same thing goes for lurking when the rest of the town is active. I think it all depends on the game

CN's 182 I disliked slightly because of the whole "disagreeing with my reads being alignment indicative" thing.
At least that's how I interpreted that post. CN is free to correct me if I'm wrong.

hmm. Yeah, but if you're using rangers strategy and assume town once dead, wishing town dead is scummy. I don't know. Cns reaction did seem a bit extreme, though, but he strikes me as more extreme person.

u got stronger reads from somewhere, m8? U see people scumhunting places giving you strong reads mate? Nothin happen. I have to base reads off something. And since theres no reason behind reads, I have to go by reads themselves.

Are you aware of what you saying right now?
You said "that person disagrees with my reads and that makes that person suspicious"
I said "that's faulty logic"
You said "well, do you have any better reads?"

So
1) worst deflection ever
and
2) yes, I believe my reads are better. gut is better than faulty logic.

Sorry. I meantto say that it's weak logic, but I don't think it's faulty logic

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1. faulty logic does not equal gut
2. able to lynch this means that I can make someone eat rope and still sleep like a baby. So yeah, I'm saying that I think that the slot is scum.
3. "scum can do anything" is a bad argument. If scum can do something just as easily as town, then the action is not alignment indicative. Lurking is just as easy for town as it is for scum. Complaining about activity is just as easy for scum as it is for town.

1. Weak logic. And weak logic is useable as well as gut, I think.

2. Ok. Makes more sense thanks.

3. True. And I thought you were taking about creating activity and pushing reads.

What is alignment indicative to you, then?

Hey eagle. Thanks for interacting with me.

no. Thanks for responding.

Meant to say no problem. Oh well I guess it sounds ok either way.

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If we want to extend the day we'd have to all not vote or vote no lynch.

you realzie that is going to be nehi impposible, much more so that i would throw a vote out last miniute cus im nto dealing with that

You?

Vote?

PrepOsterous!

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a quick rundown
A substantial amount of it is gut but I'm making do with what I have.

1) ranger - strongest townread
2) Chaotic Neutrality - null-scum but not lynchworthy
3) Errantparabola
4) hi I'm yakko - town
5) eagle - i might be able to lynch this
6) BL0ODK1NG - Dead, assume the worst and say town
7) mariomaniac4 - weak town read
8) ika - might be able to lynch this
9) firebringer - might be able to lynch this

ISOing the lynchworthy people now. I see firebringer's wagon with some support so I might be able to get on that

Okay. This is literally a really really scum post.

Notice the wording here?
"might be able to lynch this"

It screems so much opportunistic scum, that I am questioning if scum would be dumb enough to post it.

might be able to lynch this

Also.... Why do you care if you're able to lynch this? Shouldn't it be "is this scum or not?"

2. able to lynch this means that I can make someone eat rope and still sleep like a baby. So yeah, I'm saying that I think that the slot is scum.

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Yah its strange and sketchy, but also already brought up.

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You think scum would be dumb enough to post something so bad?

Logic dictates that I say yes, based on the belief that no one can be too townie, it also goes to say that one cannot be too scummy to be scum, neh? But I don't know. He could mean what he says, I guess. I haven't played mafia in a long time, and I never really learned how to handle things like this, so I put him on the back burner for a while so I can come back to him if I can't find something scummier

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Too_Townie

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In my experience too scummy to be scum actually works 80% of the time.
If a person seems too god damn scummy to be true, its probably because he is. At least in LYLO situations, if they made it that far.

When you get to LYLO, and theres one guy thats null kind of looks town, and someone really scummy. Its probably the null guy.

Scum want to eliminate players that are obv town to everyone.

You think this makes it likely that ep is town?

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We lynch him regardless. He's scum

This certainly makes me more nervous about lynching him.

You think this makes it likely that ep is town?

I am unsure tbh.
EP scum I don't think is this bad.

It is making me second guess myself.
Though I still think EP isn't scumhunting at all, but that doesn't = Scum.

UNVOTE: EP

How long have you known parabola?

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VOTE: errantparabola

I wish I'd played more attention to day end. Not just voting you because you're being really weird and I don't want to go back to all your games so I can meta you. I'm also scumreading you because that last minute change was scummy. As is most of the stuff you've said, imo. Too me it looks like you're saying weird stuff to contradict people's reads and then going back on what you said for really weird reasoning that basically just says you're the only person who's allowed to read people.

And Mario, I swear I thought you were probably town and you would behave if you got people off your back. But is that an OMGUS vote? C'mon, man. Your reason for voting ranger is "you voted me because I was useless to town" and "you voted someone else who is not helping much either, but I think he's probably town because of the way he looks at me" and "you don't look at me like that anymore."

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How about you play the game, look for scum, stop complaining about lack of content, stop calling other people's logic crap, and realize that at this very moment by responding to me you create content. Now go. Push your reads. Create more content from other people. Find scum. Target them. Prove through your actions, not your complaining skills, that you're town.

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That last minute change was scummy? Are you serious? What about it was scummy? Please, do tell.

You're right. I was don't remember what I was thinking when I said this. It might have been that you unvoted after deadline, but that might not have been intentional, in fact, it probably wasn't, so sorry.

PEdit: not arguing with you over what logic is craps and what isn't

Also my point wasnt as much that you weren't doing the latter, it was that you were doing too much of the former, and it was a request(perhaps not in the kindest of terms, apologies) to focus on the latter.

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Hi I'm alive.

Catch up soon.

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My mind tells me vote ranger because opening vote is opening and excited about a game that's gone dry for most of the frustrated townies who cannot see any flips. My gut says vote Mario because seriously what is he adding to the game?

Eh.

VOTE: ranger

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Ok, fine. That works for me, then. I guess there isn't really a point in trying to take a closer look at your town reads actions throughout the game since there aren't any flips.

Sorry ranger. I don't have anywhere near the time to properly read enough to meta you.

VOTE: Mario

And cn we have like the same list of town reads, so that should make this pretty easy

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Mario vote yourself please let's get this over with.

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VOTE: ika

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VOTE: ika

Uhm...

Eagle...

You

do

realize that, worst case scenario, we have two scum alive with five players alive? Meaning, worst case scenario, lylo?

I mean, we can

hope

we got a scum, but...you're throwing a vote out here awfully recklessly.

Good. You were really the big one I was worried about maybe townreading incorrectly. I feel much better about ika now, thanks.

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I should have paid more attention to day ending times.
My bad on that guys.

Me too. My suspicions were right. Shouldn't have ignored them.

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Yeah.
Lynch Ranger for me.

So Eagle.

What? You did not do well this game. There isn't any putting this off on other people. You contributed barely anything and tbh I regret not lynching you earlier so I could focus on what mattered.

Now I could have done better by sticking with my gut yesterday but your play was so lacking in contribution and thought that you were actually scummier.

Your read on her, as far as I understand, was completely OMGUS and that's not a justifiable reason for wanting to lynch someone because your play begged for you to be lynched anyways. You offered barely any reasoning and the reason I thought you were likely town was because you whined like noon town when pressured

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[quote="In post 352, MarioManiac4"](I was joking )[/quoteoh. Then now I feel like a dick for being a dick. Karma there folks

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@ranger to be one hundred percent completely honest I signed up for more than I have time for. This game wasn't moving as fast as another that I signed up for, I started that one from scratch, and there was just so little to go off of with no slips. If I had been in this game really I wouldnt have lynched Mario, yesterday, I would have gotten into an argument with you over whether or not you were scum. I put my vote on you, realized that was going to take time and effort I didn't have to make sure you were scum so I could lynch you and on top of that convince everyone to lynch you and I decided to just take the easy way out.

I'm really sorry to everyone for this. I knew there was a chance ranger was still town, but had I not something else that was taking a large amount of my energy the game probably would have gone a lot differently.

That said, thanks for modding, @guy inthefreezer, it was fun until people stopped posting and then I ruined it.


Good game everyone, though