Mini 1739a: Netherspite's SORM II [Game Over]

[shos]

AAAH THIS STARTED

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WHY DID I NOT GET A GaMESTART PM AAARGH

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Soz
I'm here

Are we claiming groups like previous game? now that I'm actually town I'm not sure if that's a good strategyt or not

[shos]

Soz
I'm here

Are we claiming groups like previous game? now that I'm actually town I'm not sure if that's a good strategyt or not

[shos]

I am protective.

[shos]

So should I read up like I normally do or can we skip to the interesting part.?

also is there a list of claims like previous game?

[shos]

Well, I am sticking with this vote. After all, there's nothing to appease you from wanting my blood, so I guess I'll just disregard you and play to win. >.>

You town players already decided that getting rid of me is top priority instead of actually hunting scum. Well, go right ahead, I won't stop you.

You literally have 1 vote on you. Stop it with the drama!

Also, what do you mean by "you town players"?
Who are you referring to?

like holy shit dramaqueen

wasn't even thorugh page 1 and already complaints on wagons on yourself???

[shos]

Town Lookout (Investigative)

Due to clear inference they're scum, I popcorn Firebringer.

[shos]

Oh you want to know what category to claim so you can blend in?

Just claim now lol

I already did.

I am protective.

[shos]

(btw I totally felt like going "I am an agent" )

[shos]

Already 3 pages? I'll read them soon.

VOTE: shos

You know, Shos, a "Role Madness" game and it rings a bell... I bet now you're the mod in disguise and the whole game is a mischief, so, the game is solved in my very first post. Salalalalalalala!

fact is that I joined the game(Replaced into the previous one) only because it was role madness. I love role madness, and it was D1 with 10 pages or something, so...yeah.

Not the mod this time

[shos]

Guys, Jeanne is lynch bait. As I was scum last game, I was happy to push this through, but generally I also know this from meta. Jeanne gets fire a LOT for no good reason. I think those pushing her are scummy. Namely, Aneninen, whose posting don't fit his own meta, either, seems like a scum that rides on that wave

[shos]

gonna take a shower and continue from page 5

[shos]

woah man
3 government
that's craycray
and that's in addition to 4 investigatives

there's gotta be like 3-4 scums in that pile

do radiant and random being the only ones in their category makes them conftowns?

[shos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk-F-8EFIBM

I couldn't resist and watched this instead of playing
I'll continue tomorrow

Meanwhile the Jeanne wagon is to be disassembled

[shos]

No, Adenine, I don't think this is Titus just playing scum, I think this it Titus trying to WIFOM Jester.

Reveal as mayor

God, the one time I try to get wagoned as town.

THIS IS HILARIOUS

<3 TITUS <3

[shos]

I am totally not following. What's up with the mason/masonleader/ika thing?

[shos]

It seems I missed something
Vedith claimed mason leader
anyone counterclaimed this without me seeing??

[shos]

VOTE: ika
ok I looked it up and found the thing I was looking for. I'll also add that ika plays strangely this game. he might be a mass murderer, if he wanted the

lookout

on titus.

[shos]

Guys can I understand why Ika is not being voted right now?

[shos]

Guys can I understand why Ika is not being voted right now?

Why should he be getting voted exactly?

are you reading the thread?

[shos]

SIGH

This game is impossible to read and play. Everyone's just setupspeccing all over a billion information that I can't hold together.

I tried rereading in search of stuff that can be actually called accountable on the subejct of ACTUAL MAFIA and not setup and roles.

This is the first find:

And how does Vedith know 100 % that I am scum? My posts could give that impression, but it doesn't make it undeniable truth. There should be some sort of reasonable doubt.

this post is really bad even for Jeanne. It's like saying "but you can't prove it" "instead of "no I'm not" when called scum.

Can we get this slot vigged, please?


pedit:
ANEN READ THE FIRST POSTS not the PMs.

[shos]

I mean it was quoted like a thousand times already

[shos]

Your claim of Government seems like a bad scum claim tbh, and I think scum are hiding in the town government claims.

and while this may or may not be true, statistically speaking, this is our best guess at a lynch. In all the other categories we don'thave anything confirmed yet. Here we have Titus confirmed, meaning he is the government role, and the rest claimers are supposed to be random for *sure*, if town.

[shos]

You want me to die just so I can confirm investigative without doing any real work for town.....?

you would also confrim random as veteran?

like how oblivious do you need to be? relying on you pr alone is reall shitty to begin with. like you already have sevral epople suspecting you so wouldny you agree dying and remving your lynchability be more +town to us?

How can a lookout confirm a veteran?

[shos]

So your suggesting to kill our claimed mason leader?

I'm honestly not following almost at all who claimed what. And I remember someone said something abotu TWO people claiming leader. I've no idea what's going on, I'm rereading..

[shos]

.........

the only non-confrmable gov role is citzen so at this point i expect a claim (and yes mason/mason leader is confirmable)

How is it confirmable?
I'm Mason leader

oh I now know who claimed taht lol
Where did I say to lynch vedith? O_o

What is best claim for cult?
Mason Leader.

Let that sink in for you all.

That is just stupid, as mason leader will simply kill(recruit) him immediately, knowing that it's a lie

[shos]

@ika The problem? The problem is that you believe them over me, otherwise you wouldn't want me to do that. Last time someone trusted scum as conftown, [http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p7300455]this[/url] happened.

Jeanne is officially scum.

Lookouts are IMMUNE to veteran.
If Jeanne was a Lookout this would've been known to her.

I'm done for the day's lynch.

Should we plan night actions? Protection up for sale here~
VOTE: Jeanne

[shos]

I'd like RC and shos to elaborate more on Spiffeh.

under my radar. completely.

[shos]

Do you think Jeanne is truly that oblivious to her own role PM?

I can live with FA dying, but the Investigator claim is unique, so I'm inclined to let it live

[shos]

Doesn't seem to be a consensus, at this rate we won't get a lynch.

Dude we got 9 days.

VOTE: spiffeh

VOTE: Random

Titus say words to me

Words

lolz

UNVOTE:

Sorry, my head is everywhere this week and I didn't even remember this had started. Then I was at a funeral. I'm reading now, can anyone give me the tl:Dr?

Your predecessor claimed to be an investigative role - is that true?

i like how shos says he wont lynch jeanne first and then goes back to lynchign her

I like that too

UNVOTE: Spiffeh

Jeanne cool off.

VOTE: Ari

titus

[shos]

Cool, I'm neutral benign, a survivor. Why are we lynching Ari?

I don't get it. Is it a thing? claiming as a survivor? do people no tunderstand that this is policy death? or am I missing something specifically in this setup that makes survivor protown?

No. Vedith targets the other town government claim that's not me.

Vig shoots survivor claim.

Bodyguard blocks me. Doc on BG.

I agree with everything in this post

Lookout on Vedith.

but for the love of god I don't understand - WHAT DOES A LOOKOUT BEING ON A VETERAN ACCOMPLISH?!?!?!

[shos]

ohhhh wait he's not the vet, he's the ML. got it.

[shos]

the lookout should be on the veteran if we are going to test his claim.

the doc can be on ml

so it is relevant - WHY THE FCK WOULD YOU DO THIS

and a vig on survivor is kinda moot if they vest

[shos]

ebwop - vest nullifies it once, but it has to happen eventually, so we'll do it until survivor dies or is lynched, imo.

[shos]

I think Lookout should be on the mayor in case the protective gets blocked, which is likely. cover all bases to keep titus alive. Other investigatives can go on the rest of the people for more information, without disclosing who goes where.

[shos]

also,

And yeah I'd cry no salty tears over and Aristo lynch but

VOTE: Shos

This is scum, 100%.

And yeah I'd cry no salty tears over and Aristo lynch but

VOTE: Shos

This is scum, 100%.

That's the same tell I caught you and Taly with... :/

ari/shos team confirmed

VOTE: shos

ari/shos team confirmed

VOTE: shos

Why?

Spoiler: Sorry for the delay, it took me time to fine a suitable meme

[shos]

I think Lookout should be on the mayor in case the protective gets blocked, which is likely. cover all bases to keep titus alive. Other investigatives can go on the rest of the people for more information, without disclosing who goes where.

Wrong. If Vedith is town, he's much more important than I am.

um.
Why?
I consider groupscum more dangerous than cult; you make it far harder for both scums to get along in the game; scum have no reason to try and kill Mason Leader; I see no reason for him to be more important

[shos]

mainly, my point is that groupscum have no reason to try and kill ML, and cult cannot do that, so he's in no danger. Groupscum even *want* him alive, to kill any cultists.

[shos]

Making order for a second.
CULTIST can recruit:

Town Investigative
Town Protective
Town Killing or Power
Town Random
Neutral Evil or Benign
Town Government - titus (but it will be autolynched)

cannot recruit:

Neutral Killing
Town Random - mason
Town Random - more mason
Godfather
Mafia Support
Mafia Deception

So basically cult are weaklings. we should only worry for groupscum imo. cult will resolve itself in time.

Quetsions to everyone:

Does the fact that we have masons make it so that we're *sure* that most of the investigatives are lies?
is it possible that there's only a mason leader without a mason?

either way, it looks as if lynching out of the investigatives is crazy likely to hit scum.

[shos]

Can anyone make a new list of claims.

[shos]

Yep. This setup can probably be solved eventually.

[shos]

I mean I don't really support IIOA as a tell but that's all Shos is doing.

But also, this helps plan night actions. and I really think lookout should be on Titus rather than Vedith.

[shos]

Scum can't do anything to Titus unless they're able to roleblock me.

By having the lookout on me as opposed to Titus, we prevent scum from killing either the mayor or her BG without having a consort, and we force one scum to scumclaim in order to take one of us out.

It's the correct play.

That is true, and, from last game:

Well. It appears that scum can have a roleblocking ability in TWO roles out of SIX. that means that the chances they do not have a roleblocker are 4/6*3/5*2/4 = 20%.

This is pretty much guaranteed to happen, lol. You outright claimed BG, it's like a 90% bet that you get roleblocked.

[shos]

Scum can't do anything to Titus unless they're able to roleblock me.

By having the lookout on me as opposed to Titus, we prevent scum from killing either the mayor or her BG without having a consort, and we force one scum to scumclaim in order to take one of us out.

It's the correct play.

That is true, and, from last game:

Well. It appears that scum can have a roleblocking ability in TWO roles out of SIX. that means that the chances they do not have a roleblocker are 4/6*3/5*2/4 = 20%.

This is pretty much guaranteed to happen, lol. You outright claimed BG, it's like a 90% bet that you get roleblocked.

ok well actually let's go for 70% since there's only 80% that they have a blocker.....

[shos]

And I'm protective too, but not claiming which role right now.

[shos]

inB4 I claim agent

xDDD

[shos]

I'm laughing loudly XD Jesus, that last game was my worst scum game ever in the history of time..

[shos]

inB4 I claim agent

xDDD

This is so fucking absurdly fake.

Shos is feeling the pressure and cracking. lynch it.

What pressure lol im at L-5 that was hilarious

[shos]

I'd like to say that sometimes you have to be forceful or others won't give you a complete answer.

No shit, Sherlock

Mobilepost.
So, we're getting PMs about everything happening with us at Night and about are Night Actions. Am I right now?
If so, it may be worth organizing our Night Actions.

No shit, Watson

[shos]

Uh........?
I'm Jesus?

[shos]

Jeanne by now it is REALLY hard to grasp your play
it is mainly bullshit
in its entirity
I doubt anyone is scumreading you only because you're forceful.

FA:
Maybe I'll have time to make an indepth list soon, but not currently.

[shos]

Sorry for not being as active as I want to, I have to hand in a paper every Wednesday and I'm working on the last question right now. 2 am :/

What's the thing about me and Ari again? why am I connected to him?

[shos]

Didnt notice that.

Anyway, seems that this game indeed needs a lynch.
Titus, if you want me to, I can claim.

[shos]

I am a regular doc.

[shos]

Geez guys whats wrong with you
A regular doc as in the common role that protects people
Unlike a "protective" Busdriver or a protective/killing Bpdyguard

A regular doc

[shos]

I don't know why you think I'm Cult. Unless you're suspecting me because I still don't understand why are we that sure there's a Cult. You're right, RC, I'd

definitely

post that if I were Cult. Typically Aneninen-ish move and you know me well.

But yeah, any kind of Investigative can target me. I'm not afraid of them.

But first, there's something else and sorry if that has been decided by now.
Which one of us should visit the Veteran? Angel or me? Now I can understand the point of that: we could confirm the Veteran, right? I wouldn't mind being sacrificed. As a matter of fact, at least I would do something useful for the town. (Especially after wasting our time and effort because I'd been unable to understand the Setup.)

Also, I saw there are four Protective claims. Shos's "Regular Doctor" claim was off and I remember having problems with his posts before. In addition, Titus is the player we all should trust.

VOTE: Shos

Firstly, there are only 3 protective claims, and one of them is a BG whoch can be also killing

And you really underestimate me if you think that after messing up LAST GAME and reading a zillion times everything after that, in THIS game I eould fuck up again.

This time my wagon may actually be scum lead; clinging to semantics is like scum ABC

[shos]

Anen this game is a reroll of the same setup where I was scum and comlletely fucked up claims like three times

[shos]

Before posting I still have one-and-a-half question.

(1) How is it sure there's a Cult? I think I've read everything by now but I still don't get it.
(1.5) The Mason Leader starts alone unless someone else rolled Town Mason – am I right about this?

1. Vedith claimed ML. As per the rules, if masonry exists, then cult too, and vise versa.
2. I think you are

[shos]

It means that if you were mafia you would know whether or not he targeted you.

It's one of the reasons one of the most hilarious claims to make is to say that you can't be cult because the ML visited you.

(as jester)

That is some smart slipping
I approve

[shos]

More smart jester play is tp claim survivor
Thats why bella should be vigged

If jester wins, day ends? Game ends?

[shos]

I didnt mean you slipped, I mean it is smart play "scumalipping" like that of abyone is a jester.

Tldr - your idea was cool.

Can we make a list pf all the claims again
I think almost everyone claimed by now?

[shos]

Titus is Mayor (gov) - cobfirmed
Vedith claimed Masln Leader (gov)
Jeanne claimed Lookout (inv)
Randomidget claimed veteran
Shos claimed doc (prot)
RC claumed Bodyguard (kill/prot)
Bella claimed aurvivor (benign neutral)
Frozen Angel clajmed investigator

Fb claimrd prot
Spiff claimed prot
Aristo claimed inv
Anen claimed inv
Ika claumed power

Is this correct?

~~~
Random, you said you could prove your role, how so?

[shos]

RC is there a reason you are tunneling me all games long?

You said you are pretty sure I am some aort of scum,but never said why, and out of the blue you have at least two supporters. Just saying

Now you knowingly send what seems to be the only doc town has to suicide in orser to cinfirm a veteran.....when it accomplishes nothing, because if he was a scum, he would just kill me.

[shos]

I dont think doc prevents veteran kills.

[shos]

All the players who will visit you this night will be killed by you (including the players who are normally immune to nightkills).


...from veteran role pm

[shos]

Every time I've been in a game with a Vet, a Doc heals who targeted the vet.

Sooo if veteran is town and scum kill the one checks the vet. The soc isnt enough to heal two kills, so you autolynch the doc because auppoaedly he dodnt protect, ens up with at least 4 dead townies and no info apart from veteran, which is uselesa because scum would never target him anyway.

This plan sucka so much ass it'slike an enema

[shos]

Honestly if we ever want to make sure of the veteran it has to be by lynch. We cant count on suiciding because we will never know if THAT was the cause of the kill. Theres possibly eaxh night loads of kills afaik.

[shos]

Honestly if we ever want to make sure of the veteran it has to be by lynch. We cant count on suiciding because we will never know if THAT was the cause of the kill. Theres possibly eaxh night loads of kills afaik.

again, this

if you have more the one killing source it would be known by the night death desciptions

pedit: your not a bad player dont eben thin/start that

No, kills reaolve in order, only the successful kill would show.

[shos]

Sorry for not trusting you ika but

@MOD: hypothetically, if three kill the same person and two protwct him, the flip shows all three kill flavors?

Thats pretty stupid imo,cuz order of night actions is explicit

So by the end of N1 we know the amount of killing roles in the game?
Lets make order od the actions in one post

[shos]

Lets lynch bella
....

Seriously now, it seems that this game is too complex to try to solve d1. Everything is going to be wifom. Considering that scum 80% have at least one roleblock, they can mess up everything.

I think if everyone does whatever they want without letting the others know, we may be able to plan the order of night actions claims d2 to be abe to actually get confirmeds.

Can anyone link me to any previous play of this setup? How was it done before? Ika seems to be all cocky-im-a-pro about this, is this based on real events?

[shos]

Gere are some reads while I take a dump lol

1. RC
I have no idea why RC is tunneling me frim before I even posted, qnd he doesnt seem too keen on explaining either. He seems to only care about who we "sacrifice". And I dont get it. You guys work your asses off killing townies and all in attempt to ...confirm a veteran? So what? Scum can sac a mafioso on a vet anytime. Also there is about a billion ways to interrupt that, and what if he geta culted later? It is completely useless, and all you do is force a town suicide.
There is no genuine attempt to solve the game, no explabatiom for supposed reads, etc. Id lynch this in a heartbeat.

2. Ika
Why on earth ika treats this game as if he is a god I do not know, but it is ija, can be anything. Him trying to run the show without including humself strikes me scummy as fuxk. I can ive with this ynch.

3. Jeanne
Probaby just a VI, but really shoud be either vigged or lynched. This is a too big wifom diatraction for me

4. Random
Im gonna go ahead and say is probaby not groupscum. There seem to be loads of people wondering how this aint dead yet. I dunno why. So town or third party.

4. FA
Probtown. Thw vokunteer may be a really geeat gamvit, but i dont tgink so.

[shos]

4. FA
Probtown. Thw vokunteer may be a really geeat gamvit, but i dont tgink so.

What part of FA play is a gambit? Like mostly what FA has done is keep tabs on players posts for easier access. Like, she is being helpful, but like its not actually scumhunting.

If I recall correctly, she volunteered to 'check' the veteran(assuming it will kill her if not protected).

While this can be a gambit, expecting townies to protect her or fellow scum to block/something her or just being partnes with the veteran, this puts a lot of stress on her, and lots of role related stuff can confirm almost every lie she can make, so I doubt that's a third party which isn't jester or a groupscum.

Probaby just a VI, but really shoud be either vigged or lynched. This is a too big wifom diatraction for me

I hate players saying who should be vigged >.>

why? O_o this is done to use our lynch elsewhere. and Jeanne *does* need to eat rope.

Why on earth ika treats this game as if he is a god I do not know, but it is ija, can be anything. Him trying to run the show without including humself strikes me scummy as fuxk. I can ive with this ynch.

Probably because he has played this setup literally thousands of times.
I wish more players would defer to those who are experts a little more here.

You all treat this like its a regular game, and its not.
Reads in this are not as important as claims and night actions.

We can have easier time with POE than actually doing reads.

@MOD: hypothetically, if three kill the same person and two protwct him, the flip shows all three kill flavors?

There will be flavor text describing sounds for every non-blocked (by roleblocking mechanics) killing attempt at the end of the night.
The death description flavor for the flip will contain information about the killing blow only.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA
yeah, now I 150% trust ika
...not.
Also it seems this game is the second run of this setup only, so. a thousand times....nay.

Shos.
Why have you mentioned that five players? Why not the others?
Also, your RC read makes no sense. Why over the pooping pigeon's wings would a scum claim Bodyguard? Why did you call Angel probtown when you didn't mention other townreads?

...because those are my main reads? should I explain why I think titus is town?
And why wouldn't they claim Bg? O_o; see this -

Bodyguard is literally the safest claim a scum can make in this type of setup.
If covers two areas Town Killing and Town Protective
Depending on everyone elses claim, you can easily fit in to the setup.

yup.
BG and Veteran are probably the best fakeclaims, I guess.

[shos]

you do realize that...alignments in one game do not work for other games, yes?
also I said I think you're probably town, remember? just bad distraction that needs to go

[shos]

Yeah, I can also live with that. Ari doesnt do shit.

VOTE: Aristo

[shos]

Talking you like you are town? What?
Am I not allowed to talk to scumreads.?

[shos]

why would you even want to talk to scum reads

Firstly because they are not 100% and as such I want to get as much info as I can to make a better decision
Secondly ny talking you can make them slip, or add pressure and help the others inderstand and share your scumread

Ika you are not a newbie
Why are you playing like shit.

[shos]

Titus what do you think about ika?

[shos]

Yu mean cult..?

[shos]

Despite the mechanics, I think we should still try and get as much info for analysis like a normal game, so titus hammering later on may be profitable more than now.

I actually don't care much dying, as I've suddenly taken waaay too many games lol

[shos]

Jeanne and RC need policy vigging lol

[shos]

Ohai it is my scumday

[shos]

I guess that's the difference between 4 years on site and 5 months.....

[shos]

[shos]

What am I doing this for? To convince Vedith to stop scum-reading me.

If I'm scum then why would you want me to stop scum reading you?
Anyone who thinks you are town are either trolling the game who fucking clueless.

If you're town then why would you scum-read someone who claimed town. From my perspective, you scum-reading me is the same as you scum-reading Queen of Moon Logic, a confirmed town.

actually this fits here ....

oh my gawd

stahp

plez

stahp

[shos]

Jeanne.
I am shutting this discussion right now.

You need to understand that whatever you say can also be said by scum.
Therefore, nothing of what you said is correct. Ever.
Saying "I'm town I'm town" doesn't help you, it only annoyes, because everyone would say that.
Saying "How can town lookout be scum" doesn't help you, because every scum can claim town lookout.

So what you're saying is completely null. The fact you keep doing this only distracts town, and therefore is scummy.

SO STOP.


Can anyone please hammer aristo.

[shos]

Jeanne, by now I think everyone wants you dead, but everyone also thinks you're town, lol

[shos]

Sup guys
I docced RC lastnight as titus post said, didn't receive any message from the mod so I guess it didnt prevent a kill

[shos]

Veteran. And he lied. I visited him.

if there are any other townies who want to speak up about a lir now is the time lo

FA is confirmed town though, so thats nice.
Aristo was a Consig, knew scum were in Invests.

That leaves Shos as last invest not confirmed?

I am protective not inv.

Show is night immune I am the vig

This has to be a lie, if I got protected i should get a PM from the mod.

[shos]

Show is night immune I am the vig

Well that settles today for me.

VOTE: Shos

that was a titbit quick to decide

I bet ika/fb is it

Either this is a mistake or......

You realize that nobody is immune from a Mass Murderer attack right?
Even with doc healing them.

NVM I just realized Jeanne died from the MM.
#Stupid

Lookout is immune to MM.

Also yeah, this does look like a modkillabke offense.

[shos]

Firebringer. I was told to check the Vet so I did so. Especially after the flip. I was away from the scum lynch.
Again, it's virtually impossible that Random was the Mason Leader (because Vedith had claimed that), so the ONLY Role which fits my results is CULT.

Also, Shos's claim must be fake if Ika's telling the truth. (Unless someone protected Shos but why the rusty anvil would anyone had done so?) There's NO PR in that category which would survive a Nightkill.

This cant be, id get a pm from the mod
A rolebock on ika does explain stuff though

[shos]

Shos is obvscum after the Ari flip and ika's claim.
Titus should be the one to hammer so we can confirm she hasn't been culted (why do we think Random was cult?).

I also think we should all claim our roles/results but I'm fine with Titus deciding that course of action.

I am also 100% positive a MM is itg

Annnnd another one comes running

Why is it "obvious" that I am scum over ika.? I mean he basically refused to claim until d2 and caimed a role that is so easily fakeclaimed by scum (and definitely not "confirmable", lol).

I guess its because he speaks so surely of himself maybe?
We have an army idiom in hebrew that translates literally to something like "everything is true, lie boldly"...that fits

[shos]

Oops
Lookout is immune to veteran not MM. Memory mistake

[shos]

Ok so
I think ika scumclaimed
In his posts he counted all BP roles as other people than me. Dunno bout you but if I had a guilty it would be quite high in my memory

[shos]

I targeted annen last night

my last night result :

You have been reported for tax evasion. You are Town Citizen now.

we have an Auditor here.

well the rule says I shouldn't directly quote it from any private locations. and I didn't. its just a simple copy/paste inside a quote box.

and as its not proven or confirmed or against any roles then I shouldn't be mod killed.

[shos]

can someone make me the ,ist of claims right now?

im gettine rreaedy for work but i will jsut say mines is confirmable

Claim, then I will make list.

i did

Not confirmable shit.

Actual category.

No not that. I'm something though. I'm just gonna be very vauge

ika please claim your categoy more directly

werent you int he blitz game?

i already claimed enough of my role that further claimg is anti-town

Ika explain to me these as a vig

[shos]

@anen: yep. But I dont think he got blocked, I thi k he is lying, why would any townie avoid claiming (even category!!) until d2 like that? How is a vig confirmabe? Why did he intentionally not participate in any of the plans for the night actions?

It only makes sense for a third party to want to be isolated from anytbing and be able to claim.anything.

Basicaly he could claim anything right now and nobody woud counter him, correct me if im wrong.

[shos]

No, my plan is that IKA IS PROBABLY FUCKING SCUM.

My plan is that we lynch Spiffeh, ML targets Ika, Ika if he is still vig targets whoever we most believe to have been culted, so either Fire or Adenine.

Yes.

It seems that everyone buys ika's narrative blindly but nobidy vonsidered that ika is probaby the MM/cult(prob cult).

Cult need only a mislynch, and their odds go up 1000%. There is no evidence at all that ika is a vig, yet everyone seems to beieve it is confirmed, when it is just wrong.

FFS, i docced my biggeat scumread due to titus and nobody even wonders

Nobody is actually scumhunting, everyone is just following ika orders. Lucky we have RV, after all.

[shos]

So, why are you assuming that Shos is MM though?

Prob cult, as i said

[shos]

Shos your not even voting me and saying 1v1 your scum go away

Lol i forgot

VOTE: ika

[shos]

IKA IS NOT A VIG FFS TITUS.

he has loads of knowledge of this setup and is manipuaating everyone.

My guess he is MM who targetted me, but I wasnt visiting myself (protected RC) so I didnt die

Tgat means jeanne targetted me

[shos]

Ive no idea what you are talkinf about

Fact is you say you tried to kikl me and failed
Tgat means either RB wgich doesnt fit with the info we have OR you are a MM, wgich fits perfectly

There is literally nothing that supports you over me, it is a 1v1, except I actually gave reasoning for my action, claimed in time, and...have everyone against me apparantly, which completely rules out godfather the way I see it

You just have a larger mouth to convince everyone

[shos]

oh my god Shos.

Can you PLEASE read my ISO, refer to my chart of outcomes from lynching you, and then use that as justification for why we shouldn't lynch you?

I didnt read almost anything. If you have even more justification that Im town, grand, link me please

How can I be mm when Jeanne died?

why not?

I mean you have to argue that Jeanne targeted you instead of the planned rc we had

do you realize that hammer happened quickly before night actions were settled? Everything went to shit, it seems im the only one who followed totus

[shos]

Nobody is listening to me at all

May as well just vote spiff.
If anyone decides to not blindly trust ika tell me.

VOTE: spiff/v]

[shos]

Lolfail
VOTE: spiff

[shos]

Lolfail
VOTE: spiff

So why are you not voting Ika if you think that he is out right lying?

I have been voting him so far, bjt everyone seems to 100% ignore me and beieve him so that vote is in vain

[shos]

FA, about 15: what logic brings that? There shuld be a fault there.

[shos]

Also id like to add the part where we trust me, which constantly gets overlooked,

5 - If we trust Ika , shos is Godfather / MM

5.5 - If we trust shos, ika is lying

6 - If we trust Anen randomiget was cult

[shos]

3 - we know Randomiget was cum

:lol:o

[shos]

@vedith - trust me that if ika wagon becomes viabke I wont be out of it.
@FA
- last I checked ika claimed to have shot me. I did not get a pm from the mod about that, so what I am saying is that he is lying. It is really not that hard.


Pedit- guys let me readim on phine it takes me long

[shos]

@vedith - there is really nothing I can say to further that lynch. Setup wise, we are practically identical, and both uncknfirmable so far. So unless you want me just screaming OMG VOAT IKA relentlessly, i cannot do shit, especially phoneposting

@FA - firstly, in english it is night immunity.
Second, the rules say that if a kill attempt was made on you and you are protected, you get a message. I am alive, so if a kill attempt was made, then A) a protective shoukld have been on me and B) i would get a pm.

But nobidy claimed protection and I didnt get any message.

Thr busdriver did not change the kills course
And it seems no rolebockers are possible

So he has to be lying.

[shos]

You receive notifications if:

• you were attacked and healed at night.
• you were attacked but were immune this night for some reason. Exact immunity reason will be specified (without a name of a player who made you immune if applicable).

no such PM received.

Hell even if I was GF or MM I should have received one

[shos]

His plan was "dont ynch me so I can get another doc".

[shos]

[shos]

I haven't read everything yet, but it seems that AGaIN ika ignored the plan, and still is trying to mislynch me.

ALSO IKA HAS BEEN SAYING EVERY FUCKING TIME THAT SHOS IS MM, NOT GF.

This may as weel be a Godfather scumclaim, btw.

[shos]

also I'm pretty sure we need to lynch groupscum today. if we lynch MM, then tomorrow there's still a chance that we have 3 scum alive, which is game over. If we lynch scum, then MM can kill other scum, which will also allow us to lynch MM next and actually get this over with. we HAVE to use cross kills.

VOTE: ika

[shos]

Well, I am a town citizen now
From the amount of kills I guess my doc succeeded?

[shos]

Nah, i woud have gotten a pm saying this expicitly if that happened

So are we rid of cult 100% now? Still 2 scum at large?

[shos]

That means that of I was actuallu a scumbag, I would have won with mafia right now.

[shos]

Nobody vote,make a list of roles and all

[shos]

Bella, you are an auditor, you win if town loses and you sirvive.

I am now a scumbag, with exactly the same wincon.

We have at least 1 more mafia alive. Game is over.

Mafia should claim and we lynch the last townie standing

[shos]

Btw I was MM lol

[shos]

Lol

Best town play right now is to claim mafia and to claim that the janitor kill was mafia too

[shos]

Dont ruah guys, unvote

[shos]

Mafia wincon:

Win condition:
You win when all members of the town and everyone else who would oppose you have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Scumbag wincon:
Survive and town loses.

Auditor wincon:
Survive and town loses.



We have a living scumbag(me), a living Auditor (bella) and at least one living mafia.
FB, what are you?

[shos]

FA* what are you? It is safe to claimscum now

[shos]

Town Government => Titus [confirmed mayor] - culted
Town Investigative=> Frozen angel (town investigator)(town citizen)
Town Protective => RC
Town Killing or Power => Ika -culted
Town Random (lookout) => Jeanne
Town Random => Vedith (mason leader)
Town Random => Annen
Godfather => FB
Mafia Support (Consigliere)=> Ari
Mafia Deception (janitor) => Randomidget
Neutral Killing (MM) => shos
Neutral Evil or Benign (Cultist) => Spiffeh
Neutral Evil or Benign (Auditor) => Bella

You are town citizen?

[shos]

why should a mafia guy trust you?

Because I am an uncountered mass murderer turned scumbag by auditor? These are two neutrak evil roles who win AGAINST town

[shos]

No. Mafia+auditor+scumbag can win together. Game over, no lynch happens

[shos]

BELLAS WINCON INCKUDES TOWN LOSING

[shos]

Scum shoulod claim, and then we will lynch the bus driver if exists to make sire no interference happens, and it is game over with you dead. If your vest protects you, we will lynch you the day after.

[shos]

Bella has no reason to do that, game is over with mafia+scumbag+auditor.

Understand please.

[shos]

Arsonist
Serial Killer
Mass Murderer
Town Citizen
Mafia
Cult
Witch / Auditor / Judge (they also can with with all the above factions together besides Town Citizen

[shos]

Neutral survivors dont oppose anyone

[shos]

Wait lol

This doesnt matter.

There are two mafia alive



And opposed is mass murderer etc

[shos]

We lynch YOU, and then it is

Mafia/mafia/scumbag/auditor shared win

[shos]

Aristophanes (

Mafia Consigliere

) lynched

Day 1

Jeanne11 (

Town Lookout

) killed by

Mass Murderer

Night 1

randomidget (?) killed by

Mafia

Night 1

Spiffeh (

Cultist

) lynched

Day 2

Aneninen (

Town Investigator

) killed by

Mass Murderer

Night 2

Vedith (

Town Mason Leader

) killed by

Mafia

Night 2

ika (

Cultist

) lynched

Day 3

Titus (

Cultist

) killed by

Mafia

Night 3

SETUP

The setup for this game consists of the following slots:

• Town Government
• Town Investigative
• Town Protective
• Town Killing or Power
• Town Random
• Town Random
• Town Random
• Godfather
• Mafia Support
• Mafia Deception
• Neutral Killing
• Neutral Evil or Benign
• Neutral Evil or Benign

[shos]

Bella, FA is misleading you~ dont let big walls scare you
VOTE: frozenangel is the right move

[shos]

Btw, re: your french fun
It is indeed against site rukes to speak other langs inside a game

[shos]

BD is actually scum, FA, sorry to break it to you

[shos]

Janitored guy wouldd hekp you understand

[shos]

Randomidget was janitor himself. mafia killed and janitted spiffeh and got busdrived. I asked about it from mod last day go back and look that its possible

lol im sure bella will realize you're lying

[shos]

Thats a nice conspiracy hun but you cant convince me, I know im right

[shos]

janitored kill is protective

BD is janitor

et voila

[shos]

Titus <3 almost made it!

For the record, I tried to kill you too last night

Bell, vote FA, there's nothing to think abuot.

[shos]

Holy shit

[shos]

I am in true awe

I thought FA was correct
I can't believe what I said was right

[shos]

how did this happen?!?!


so we have a shared auditor/scumbag/mafia victory?!?!

[shos]

Yes, luckily for me. But honestly, I thought RC was truly the town busdriver, I was trying to capitalize on bella's newbieness and FA's frustration in not understanding what I don't understand(FA was 100% correct in my opinion, I just had to act liek she was SO obviously wrong...).

Jesus, can't believe I won this batshit

[shos]

This game is hardly mafia though.

[shos]

Nay. I definitely dont deserve this win
Ika does

[shos]

Post 42 in the scum pt is brilliant!!

[shos]

I think that there should be modification about the PMs received from the mod. it makes it REALLY hard to lie.