False Positives - Bastard or not?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #2 (isolation #0) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:06 pm

About false positives in general (insane cop, etc). In open setups, they are not bastard. In closed setups, they are.

To make scum look for something that is not really there (can only work in closed setups) does seem semi-bastard at least.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #9 (isolation #1) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:08 am

In post 8, BROseidon wrote:Miller with a cop is also bad design, so...

Why? If it is an open setup, then it makes the Cop just a little less reliable. Assuming that the Miller flips as Miller.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #11 (isolation #2) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:15 am

In post 10, Dwlee99 wrote:I hate open setups. Soooo much. So easy to break the game.

Not necessarily. These games can still be balanced. A breaking strategy implies that one team has an advantage over the other team by employing the breaking strategy. But it has already been proven that even with optimal strategies (such as Follow The Cop and others) the game can still be balanced.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #13 (isolation #3) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:33 am

In post 12, Dwlee99 wrote:My first open setup there were a certain amount of each type of role. Mass claim led to systematic lynches. It was stupid because there was no way to stay safe from PoE because of the claims.

Well, if you had many PRs, then it is not the fault of open setups in general.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #24 (isolation #4) » Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:15 am

I would suggest calling it something different than Godfather (if you want to use this role), to avoid any confusion. It is best not to diverge from how the Godfather role is conventionally understood. When I see a Godfather role, I immediately associate it with "when investigated by a cop, returns town". The role name then acts as a abbreviation for the description, so that it is easily understood by others without requiring the effort to explain it. Breaking this means that people end up being confused.

This is why I don't like roles that do not have a single definition, like the Vanilla Cop.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #26 (isolation #5) » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:20 am

In post 25, Zachrulez wrote:Well for the purposes of normal games the Vanilla Cop only does have a single definition, as does the godfather. Variants are actually being named to prevent confusion.

Oh. Never mind then. I missed that part.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #28 (isolation #6) » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:34 am

The Wiki didn't seem very clear on whether it is common to name variants. The Normal guidelines were also at the bottom of the article (which made me overlook them). Would it not make more sense to make the Normal definition the primary definition on the Wiki and move the variations to a subsection at the bottom instead?