Micro 558 | Slavic Music Mafia II | Pie/RC/Vyse/wgeurts Room

[VysePresident]

Heya!

So, Pie I would appreciate asking what the heck?

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....I'm tired, my grammar sucks.

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And I'm an idiot.

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Yeah, you're basically all but confirmed Town as far as I'm concerned. Given that I'm the apparent suspect here, I should probably BG you. All I can say about that is, look at any of my scum games versus recent Town games, and I'd like to think it's pretty freaking obvious I never get lost in a thread as scum unless I'm deliberately attempting to look lost. Give me a little credit.

Useful stuff is that Pie is basically all but confirmed Town as far as I am concerned, which makes this room a bit less useful for me, but eh. Given that I'm the suspect, I'd be fine BodyGuarding him.

BNL irks the crap out of me playstyle-wise, but I don't see them as anything but Town right now, if only because Titus wanted them lynched so badly. They can be Town. One of you two can Bodyguard him if you want.

RC hard buses easy, and all that, but...I've been in agreement with him most of the game, and there's really nothing that legitimately bugs me. He can be Town.

I'm giving Postie a second look through, but I've been okay with them for most of the game. Like the exchange in #100s. Favoring

Espeon's vote was good, not fishing for cred, and easy to nail the last vote on BNL. Gets Townpoints for that. He's basically done nothing otherwise though, which is bothering me. #Hypocrisy

It's LQ. Postie, RC, and Espeon are non-confident reads, but realistically....yeah.

[VysePresident]

But then we have LQ & Titus arguing over rooms, and I'm not sure what to make of Eagle's spat with LQ.

Lovely. I don't why, but I can't really seem to 'connect' with this game like I normally do.

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If you guys don't mind, I'd rather see RC Bodygard BNL, I BodyGuard Pie (Vice-versa is fine.), and Pie bodyguards nobody. Your slot is basically the most valuable of the three of us, in my opinion. Is this fair and well?

And if it is LQ, grats RC.

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168 - Eagle moving towards Titus's POV on LQ. Feeling a bit better about this again.

214 from Postie is pretty darn good, and they can move to the Town pile for me.

In retrospect, with one of us Bodyguarding Pie, I'd rather like for him to Bodyguard Postie. If Pie dies, she's confirmed Town. I don't think protecting in the scummy pile is worth it, but that's an option as well.

Fixed the post links to go to the main thread. If you just type [

post]168[

/post] the it goes to the 168th post in this thread (which doesn't exist so it goes to the 0th post instead). If you copy the URL from the 168 link in the main thread and get http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p7477794, that "7477794" at the end is what you need and typing [

post=#7477794]168[

/post] will link you to the correct post in the main thread. --P

[VysePresident]

What the heck in reference to lynching scum or to procrastinating content in thread

'What the heck' would be me getting ready to give you a hard time when you woke up, when Titus flipped Town, and for not lynching BNL. I was very aggravated that it was basically coming down to a Titus lynch to avoid a no-lynch.

Obviously, I am stupid, and you did very well.

I'm having fun with 20/20 hindsight now.

[VysePresident]

Anyway, my pool basically comes down to:

Strong Town (Would not lynch): Inflatable Pie, Postie, BNL, and obviously myself.

Leans Town (Unlikely to lynch): RC, Espeon (Dependent on further contributions from Espeon. Scum do vote stupid occasionally.)

Willing to lynch right off the bat: LQ, Bella.

I'd rather like to see where Bella lines up before I post tomorrow, but what with everything, I don't know if I'll have that luxury.

I'm also curious to see how LQ engages now that Titus is gone.

Part of me is wondering if Pie shouldn't BG RC for the possible confirmation, but I'm not sure it's worth it. :/

[VysePresident]

Also, sending my action now to make sure I don't forget. I'll be Bodyguarding Pie. If you guys want me to change it, let me know. I'm willing to defer at this point.

[VysePresident]

Fixed the post links to go to the main thread. If you just type [

post]168[

/post] the it goes to the 168th post in this thread (which doesn't exist so it goes to the 0th post instead). If you copy the URL from the 168 link in the main thread and get http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p7477794, that "7477794" at the end is what you need and typing [

post=#7477794]168[

/post] will link you to the correct post in the main thread. --P

Thanks, Plot. I was about to repost with fixed links, but this works so much better.

[VysePresident]

Also, if I fade out again, I will respect any requests to replace out.

Otherwise, I'm sticking with the game. I'd rather not have people accusing me of replacing out when in danger of a lynch again.

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Except, apparently, there's a Roleblock in play.

@MOD - If we're allowed to know, are scum limited to one factional ability use per player? Or could a single member theoretically Roleblock & NK on the same night?

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....I'll stop now, while the thread only looks a little bit like my ISO. Sorry about this, didn't know how much time I would have to do stuff before leaving for work.

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aww man that was the first thing I asked the mod and I was gonna reaction test you with that question

darn

I mean, it's probably too cheap to get me real Town cred, but if you want to consider it a Townslip, go ahead.

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Catch you later, I have to go to work.

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RC as scum is kinda like Jake from State Farm, but a bit more clever about it. It's extremely annoying for me.

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I'm between Vyse (that's you) and LQ for my current scumreads.

Thoughts?

Not that I'm sad that you're more into LQ right now, but why did you forget about me again?

[VysePresident]

I thought we had something special, RC.

At least, once that LQ guy was gone.

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Probably won't be on much, but if someone has something they want to talk with me about, hit me up and I'll try.

RC absolutely should be Bodyguarding someone. I'll even make a deal to push LQ on the off chance you croak tonight, but darned if I want to lose this game to you not defending Obv-Town.

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M'kay, we're going to have fun this game.

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Then you're an idiot.

But I'll take that bet.

[VysePresident]

You should have also figured out that activity is a null tell at best for me after last game.

I was even worse there. You & Jake kinda killed what fun I was having with that game, TBH, but IRL has the same effect.

[VysePresident]

Eh, sorry, not really great of me to lose my cool.

Point does stand that I don't view you as highly as you seem to.

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I'm expressing frustration more than anything. I'm sorry, but your style does get on my nerves. (Mutual feeling and all that, I'm sure. This is an explanation, deal with it, etc.)

I do think you're rather being blind in some regards, but eh. We'll burn that bridge when it comes to it.

To say I'm not scumhunting is ridiculous. To say I'm doing it poorly & haltingly isn't. I'm not particularly inclined to argue the difference right now. If it comes up, I'll deal with it in the game thread, where I'll only have to have one long & tedious fight with everybody at the same time.

I brought up that game to point that I do occasionally tune out of a game when stuff happens. To date, I've never had trouble with a scum game. It's self-meta, and likely not to be taken seriously, but there it is. It almost bordered on a trust tell at one point, until I brought my Town game back into line.

By taking that bet, I mean I kinda think it's LQ too. I'll put up with you later if it's not. I'm looking at Bella & Espeon to some degree, out of respect for Pie, but I don't expect to lynch anyone but LQ.

[VysePresident]

Thank you. I'll read that when I'm both sober and not super tired.

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That might take a few days.

I know your pain.

[VysePresident]

Because I have a stronger Townread on BNL than you. That's basically what it boils down to. This game is easy if I just have one less non-strong Townread to deal with.

It's largely why I'm bodyguarding Pie, despite having a decent amount of faith in my own judgment, BNL v. Titus notwithstanding. (Granted, it earned Pie some respect as well, while I'll grant you're probably a better scum hunter than BNL.)

I gather you're worried about missing an LQ lynch. I offered to push it hard for you if you died, since I'm already leaning that direction, given that I've never seen him react to pressure quite this way before.

You said to go to heck, and I'm basically saying the heck with it.

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One thing though, RC?

Town LQ is very brash. I'm scumreading him for not being brash enough when pressured, not for making calls too early.

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BNL is probably more dead set on me than you are, at this point.

To be honest, I'm probably screwed if we don't get it right this phase.

But eh. At least that makes more sense.

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I don't get why you're suspecting Pie, though?

Or at least not Townreading him, if I misunderstood how you were saying that?

Likewise, your read on Postie please?

[VysePresident]

I want to at least be in agreement on the basics if I get wacked.

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I mean, (2 at least fails hard in terms of scumreading me, doesn't it, given 3)? #2 would be me aiming to get you out of the game as Town, or me faking a Town-styled desire to get you out. It's not like 3) is necessarily wrong, or would come back to bite Scum me if I never said a word. Basically, you're getting a little too paranoid about my motivations here.

But yeah, I'm getting sidetracked.

I'm glad you're with me on Postie.

I would have agreed with you on Pie earlier, but I would have to be very, very wrong in my read on him as a person and a player for his timing to make any sense. I'm not going to say I can't be wrong, but I don't believe I am rather strongly. His conclusions and logic appeal to me, anyway, and that's coupled with a very well timed push on Titus. If the other players so no signs of being scum, then I'll start reconsidering my fundamental reads.

If you want, I'll dive into it. Probably will take me a while.

[VysePresident]

Well, it's just about to close, so good luck all.

As a heads up, I'm going to be with family all day tomorrow, and am putting Mafia on the backburner. After that, I'm ready and raring to go.

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Frick my life.

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We've got five people after tonight. That's two lynches. If I survive this night, (ha!) at least give me this last shot. :/

[VysePresident]

Ehhhh.

I hope Espe or BNL or you die.

+1

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I basically talked myself out of BNL in my other room.

Espeon is way too low key, but that's really all I have against him

Pie is probably Town

RC is probably Town

Postie is pretty darn Town.

I'm legitimately stumped.

Flajdf;jads;ljfkjd; lkj I can't freaking stay up all night anymore. It's literally killing me.

[VysePresident]

What does that even mean?

[VysePresident]

What's he like in your room?

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Dunno, this was the other game I was ISOing him in earlier. I think I only posted this in my other room with Postie.

My conclusion was that he was more wordy & engaged in that game, but the tone was somewhat similar.

The biggest oddity for me is that I just don't know if Titus would bus for this group. I know she's aware of her meta, and will manipulate it, but I'm not sure if this group is one she'd pull out all the stops for. I saw her defending me, as scumbuddies in our last game, when I dropped off the face of the earth completely at a critical point. (I lost my internet connection for half a week, and it was horrible. >_<) She even had to awkwardly walk back all the noises she was making in my direction before.) I also saw her willingly vote for a screwed teammate, while still offering an out, just in case Town got cold feet on the lynch.

Dunno if you're the type for meta, but I'll link you to any games of mine if you want. There are a couple in particular I'd prefer to highlight.

Incidentally, my protection is most likely going to be meaningless unless scum make as bad a call as the one that got LQ killed. I'll still BG one of Pie/Postie, but it's worth keeping in mind that whichever one I target is less likely to be guarded.

TBH, that's my one remaining point of iffiness on you, just because I don't know who could have made such a dumb mistake legitimately. :/

I'm favoring you blocking Postie, I block Pie, same as last night. I'll listen to feedback though.

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Kinda why I'm leaning Town on you.

I was thinking less in terms of stupidity, and more a gambit of a sort, but it's too clumsy.

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And I will beat your scum game someday. I was getting close for a while in the NY, but I lost every train of thought when that newbie turned out to be scum after all.

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Believe, RC.

Believe. :,(

[VysePresident]

He's talking about scum failing to RB LQ, allowing him to die, when he was the obvious mislynch.

[VysePresident]

Work it out with me here first, please.

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Like, I get that I'm wrong somewhere, but do me a favor and help me figure out where you're at.

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Eh fuck it, worst you can say is no.

RC, do you have any concrete, rational reasoning for thinking anything I've done this game is scum motivated, and just give me even one example?

This seems to have come out of nowhere and is not helping my paranoia of you (further compounded by you insisting LQ died BGing and not killed by Hawkeyes' buddy). Which sounds bad in response to your post, but it hasn't been a secret that I've been only paranoid of you as far as my townreads go so meh.

But do you really think it's more likely that I bussed Hawkeye D1, almost causing a no lynch, when I could have parked on a town LQ wagon? And even HAD there been a NL, LQ would probably have been the lynch for D2, if not me because Vyse was gunning for me at the end of D1 before the flip. So I'd be alive in 5p with scum-Titus, a town LQ flip, having caused the NL D1... how do I possible argue myself out of getting lynched at that point? ESPECIALLY considering both of you have said before, Titus has NO problems hard-bussing, so I'd most likely get bussed in lylo if it came down to it.

The sheer stupidity of this actually has me a little PO'd so this is more of a vent than me expecting anything substantial from you in response.

I was ready to give you a hard time, but I wasn't actually scumreading you, you know.

Other thoughts to follow.

Like, I'm not going to pretend I'm not paranoid of everyone, but I'm not seeing it in ISO yet.

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Believe me, I'm already intending to talk with Postie about it, once I finish the whole 100th ISO view milestone I'm apparently aiming for this game. >_<