Tarot uPick II - GAME OVER

[Perpetual Nonsense]

If the day last much longer without Nacho changing his mind, I worry that I won't have nice things to say post-game, and I don't like saying not-nice things

Nacho was scumreading ns but was rethinking that read. He never finished (cos notscience didn't show up) and now is probably busy for holidays, so waiting a few days is ok

[Kamigami]

You're underweighting the point that NS vanished.

He employed a strategy of being impossibly pro-town. His readslists are all perfect. He was certain that wis was scum, voting idiocy only when prompted by OT to switch wagons due to their equivalence. Despite this, he had kuroko as scum on D3.

He gave his toys to town only, though I suspect he was forced to, which likely prompted the strategy in the first place.

He vanished when it was no longer tenable to have supernatural reading powers, and despite having a scumread on KN D3, he's hesitant to vote plot because of mystery reasons.

[Kamigami]

I think Gaiden will also confirm that there's exactly 0 chance I'd have no-killed, especially given the possibility of a happily-ever-after.

[notscience]

WE want your case on fluff-scum. None of this "if I were scum I wouldn't have blah blah." Leave that to notscience who is already doing that in every post.
-Luigi

So from your post, so far fluff is scum because "notscience and bins are hiding" and "they had a strategy of posting perfectly accurate townreads which doesn't work at this point since they need to mislynch their townreads"

WE would like a fluff-scum case because WE aren't convinced It's not you
Fluff is obviously hiding in a scummy way but your sweet-talking ibstead of full fluff-scum argument makes things even murkier

Asking US to just "please vote NS, talk later" is just *shrug* considering both of US are *not* townreading you or notscience.

Yes I am very clearly hiding amidst my low overall site access you got me!



I mean, they can talk about how they are sure we're scum who vanished because we hate being scum until they're blue in the face. I can easily get into scumgame but I fizzle as either alignment. I don't like being around long in games.

But I can keep pointing out all of the ways I am town!

Look in the air hood bert! Look who MS deliberately appealed to and tried to sway his vote. Why would he need to do that as scum?

Look at how, if pie was scum with me, we could have just lolwk'd the fuck out of each other!

Or you can look at the sudden readflip from kamigod!

Or, you can ask why the fuck would scum hve my role

I mean if the best case you have is that I'm scum and fizzled as the game went on because I hate drawing scum, I'd love to hear why it can't be I'm town and sick of playing a game that should have ended a long time ago, or, could even be busy!

You know

Like someone with things to do!

BUT PLEASE TELL ME MORE ABOUT HOW IM SCUM WHO GOT APATHETIC AND WHY I CANT BE APATHETIC TOWN/BUSY WITH LIFE



If I was scum I would have no reason to sit around not voting at this juncture and could have just auto-crossed the vote and pushed it to hell, I had no reason to question why he targetted bert over me, none of it.

But don't tell me for a single fucking second that, Kamigami, with the team he had, who was getting majorly singled out (I think pre-plot replace in/pie wall that slot was likely going down) would claim a guilty on AJ instead of buddying him to bring him around and keep him alive. Kamigami would have needed all of the friends he could have had at that point.

Don't tell me for a second that AJ magically getting a result on you in the 12th hour after there was a no kill with a player who hadnt even fucking checked in yet was kosher.

Because all of that shit is fucked up.


OR WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE FLIPPED ROLES

Lets find out what we have flipped and find the theme!

We have

a courier
a governor
a loverizer
a vig/doc
an inventor with treestump/rolecop/flavorcop
an IC
a weak neighborizer

You know what the common thread I notice is

the ability to confirm their action/what they did

You know what I don't notice


We have two people alive.

Technically, AJ could be confirmed based off of kamigami's investigate. (Which, btw, as scum they don't have to claim the guilty to keep him alive and buddy him for an endgame situation such as this!) But we have a rolecop from me which was probably put in the game to validate his claim similar to the plan for swag wars. We have someone claiming a ton of investigative power (I understand it's all 1shot and blahblahblah) but somehow they were left alive.

OR WE CAN TALK ABOUT http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=2725 where, post-brantz claim, they are suspecting him for flavor reasons and using it to weakly push him. I immediately voted brantz after his claim because I extremely heavily doubted the co-existence of a joat in a game with an inventor at that junction. (I kinda forgot about that come massclaim time but). It seems really weird to not be bothered by someone claiming to be a joat when you are a joat. Instead it's this roundabout "hurrdurr it doesnt fit the flavor" which feels like bs trying to avoid setting up a dichotomy that one of them must be scum because once he flipped, kamigami wouldnt havek nown he was the traitor and if he had been telling the truth it was their head on the block next

But no

Lets keep doing what we're doing

[notscience]

You're underweighting the point that NS vanished.

He employed a strategy of being impossibly pro-town. His readslists are all perfect. He was certain that wis was scum, voting idiocy only when prompted by OT to switch wagons due to their equivalence. Despite this, he had kuroko as scum on D3.

He gave his toys to town only, though I suspect he was forced to, which likely prompted the strategy in the first place.

He vanished when it was no longer tenable to have supernatural reading powers, and despite having a scumread on KN D3, he's hesitant to vote plot because of mystery reasons.

Btw

I literally would have 0 fucking reason to do this

noone in this goddamn game expects me to be good at it so I could literally have assbackward reads and noone would give a shit

That would also mean I tried to employ the same goddamn strategy I employed in a game that had just finished and I'm not that daft

So please

Tell me more about how I've tried to embrace a facade of being pro-town

please explain to me why me getting cold feet about voting a pie-slot makes me scum

Please do

I am eager to hear why this game above all else makes me scum for not wanting to vote a pie-slot

Or why actually being fucking good at this game makes me scum

You're actually trying to push me for playing pro-town and having good reads early on

Are you fucking kidding me

Thats the most ass backwards thing I've ever fucking heard

"Hey little johnny you ran the best time at the combine but you aren't getting drafted"

BUT NO, I TOTALLY VANISHED BECAUSE YOU RUINED MY MASTER PLAN

[notscience]

Btw bert in case you're watching this is kamigami hoping to get you to vote me because I'm the type of guy who can pretty easily obvtown myself is town isn't being fucking daft (not mentioning any names or cube shaped avatars) because if you're trying to lynch me that's probably the best thing you can do is hope to get me out before nacho firms up a townread on me because you'll listen as he whispers sweet nothings in your ear about the virtues of how town I am and I think they realize how fucked they are if that happens which is why they're trying to push it like they are

Like I mean can you honestly say you've never seen town-me go awol

[notscience]

Leave that to notscience who is already doing that in every post.

Its what I do best

Especially when the people I expect to read me right can just say "stop being bad and sheep them" didn't fucking show up this game/didn't firm up a read on me

But lets be real here

They just said they aren't voting aj because it can't happen

Like

what

Why can't it happen

We have 3 people who haven't voted and the only person who has voted is AJ

So uh

Sure AJ can't happen?

they seem so positive I'm scum but I feel like the whole "oh they disappeared" thing is all they really can come up with other than calling me scum for being protown?

lol?

[Perpetual Nonsense]

Vanishing isn't a scum tell since you vanished mid-game in all of our hydra games
Lol

Are you going to be here when nacho comes back in a few days?

Are you caught up??? AJ and Kagami are voting you right now. Right now.

[Perpetual Nonsense]

And those aforementioned hydra games are like two years old lol

[notscience]

Like

I mean sure you two have both just been incessantly paranoid of me all game for some reason but you have got to be kidding me if you think that me plying pro-town then fizzling as the game went on is why I'm scum

Like I mean come the fuck on.

You see them trying to seduce the vote out of you.

You see AJ's stubbornness which is probably why he was brought to this juncture by them

And I've been a nonentity and I'm not a huge threat if the people I link up with aren't engaged/townreading me

pedit-

SEE I TOLD YOU

I vanish all the fucking time

I will try to be here, but I might be with relatives and screaming kids but I'll do my best to be around

[notscience]

Bert you know vanishing isnt a scumtell for me

So that essentially makes their case

"I played my role as protown as possible"

I want you to sit there

take that in for a minute

and then tell me why that's a reason to vote someone.

[Perpetual Nonsense]

But yeah I am extremely suspicious that they tried to rush Gaiden with those early posts today.
And then the "I thought you'd trust me and vote with me on fluff." As if!

[Perpetual Nonsense]

Nacho thinks it's you so there's that
Haha
So Kagami is your final scumread?

[notscience]

yes.

I'm pretty sure nacho said he thought I was scum but someone's posting was making it change

(hint it was kamigami)

[notscience]

VOTE: kamigami

[Perpetual Nonsense]

Please explain why you avoided voting Plot? I found Echo's pleas insincere in the neighborhood

[notscience]

I did too and it was bothering me and I really think it was pie's replace out post that just kinda got to me and I wanted to give plot the chance to catch up and then I was like "why the fuck would scum have such a weak role compared to all the town power we've seen" and I just overall kinda couldn't ever get it up to lynch that slot

[notscience]

Like I wish I had something better but that's pretty much it

I just can't ever seem to lynch pie as scum.

Idk.

Plot was saying words and I wasl ike "those are long words" and the role thing made no sense for them to be scum and overall I just really fucked up there but there's nothing i can really do about it but yeah!

[Perpetual Nonsense]

I was ready to guilt trip you regardless of alignment to see if you'd show up

"Notscience you're being selfish by not being here and trying *quotes earlier effort posts*. That's selfish."

Plot had that "hi did you receive my music *grin*" thing going on. Overly friendly. Guess it was putting on a front

WE are both torn and don't want this responsibility with the NL option and Nacho around

[Perpetual Nonsense]

Kagami if scum really doesn't have to push the envelope unless they think AJ would actually be influenced by Nacho Potentially reading Kaga is scum. I think AJ is thinking independently

Just really am wary of that type of appeal. If scum, It seems like they thought Gaiden would fall for it and instantly hammer vote impulsively. Scum tried that exact kind of AtE appeal with me in past games a lot. They know Gaiden likes to hammer.

Argh.

[Perpetual Nonsense]

Anyways later I'll go look at the neighborhoods.
Nacho and you need to sync up for real though, dunno if it'll happen in six days though which is a shame

[Perpetual Nonsense]

But I also, as nacho said, manage to play a good enough game to be caught only by PoE?

Dunno why you being only caught by PoE would be shocking?

[notscience]

But I also, as nacho said, manage to play a good enough game to be caught only by PoE?

Dunno why you being only caught by PoE would be shocking?

Because this is a playerlist who should be able to catch me out by more than just poe.

js.

[Aj The Epic]

Why when you're going to call Kami scum do you take a side route to throw shade at the series of events that took place from my slot, Notscience? It's not fluid with the rest of your train of thought.

[Perpetual Nonsense]

But I also, as nacho said, manage to play a good enough game to be caught only by PoE?

Dunno why you being only caught by PoE would be shocking?

Because this is a playerlist who should be able to catch me out by more than just poe.

js.

not when you vanish and any and all townreads on you become stale eventually after, like, one month and a half of prod dodges and barely posting?

Why when you're going to call Kami scum do you take a side route to throw shade at the series of events that took place from my slot, Notscience? It's not fluid with the rest of your train of thought.

notty plz answer this tia <3333333333