Mini 1742: game over

[JohnnyFarrar]

I win

I suppose you could argue he only clammed up after Bells bussed? But he was straight absent from most discussion on this thread

[JohnnyFarrar]

I mean as much as you could call anything he's doing a 'push' those are similar I guess. Content wise there's way more 'WHY ISN'T ANYONE LISTENING TO ME' this game which strikes me as something someone who hides as scum would avoid doing

[JohnnyFarrar]

Aww what a sweetheart

[JohnnyFarrar]

Stubborn is scum?

[JohnnyFarrar]

I

Am

Home

And in a bad mood.


You know what that means? I want to grill some people. Who's around?

[JohnnyFarrar]

How is Ice anti-town?

How strong is your Bells read?

What do you think about Talah?

[JohnnyFarrar]

My Talah read is 'this is a person who's found a way to barely exist in an extremely active game' - not town or scum but I don't see where the townreads are coming from

Yes, I feel like we're all pretty open minded on the surface but we each have different hangups and it's getting annoying

Setting meta aside Taly looks like a fairly new player in what might be the most active game he's ever been in with a bunch of good players. The idea that he'd be confused and frustrated makes me pretty forgiving of the circles he's talking in. He's not playing

well

, but I don't necessarily see the scum motivation in there.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Battling my laziness already by reading Ice ISO hold up. How you feeling about his Bells push?

Are you on Al's side of the "Bells should be next in the hider pool instead of Talah" statement?

Something that gives me the cold sweats about you is your scumreading of anyone who scumreads Al, coincidence?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Butcher my name why don't you

Who you popcorning?

Why am I town to you people btw? The universal townread is making me nervous

[JohnnyFarrar]

Reading is hard. Also popcorn order doesn't matter now that I think about it.

---

Won't lynch:

Wickan

[3] {Titus, talah, Johnny}

Jonnhy

[2] {Titus, talah}

ABR

[1] {Titus}

talah

[1] {Titus}

Titus

[2] {talah, Johnny}

Taly

[2] {talah, Johnny}

Preference for lynch - nominate ONE only:

Ice

[1] {Titus}

ASP

[2] {talah, Johnny}
---

People just fill this in as you see it

[JohnnyFarrar]

I mean probably. It'd be funny to see Bells put everyone except you on the 'would not lynch' list though

[JohnnyFarrar]

here all week

why am I town, Talah?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Not gonna fight it though I'd say Hip Hop was far from my normal scum game. People who have played with me a bunch tell me I'm way better at being scum. I just burn out sometimes.

BELLS if you're still around and certain Titus is scum who's her partner?

[JohnnyFarrar]

I mean presumably Titus knows, but do you have anything pointing to those 4?

[JohnnyFarrar]

so no associatives for you? You find people who are scummy individually?

[JohnnyFarrar]

I like brash. Let's do a off-the-cuff game from now on it'll be fun

[JohnnyFarrar]

Also Bells next time you're around lemme know why Ice and myself aren't in your 'maybe scum with Titus' bucket

[JohnnyFarrar]

What have we done to the formatting

[JohnnyFarrar]

Go on Al

[JohnnyFarrar]

Pref: Talah
Wont lynch: rc, titus, wickan

>not on the list

[JohnnyFarrar]

ASP is a lazy vote.

I'm a lazy guy. Why's Talah a better vote?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Didn't realize Talah was this close.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Why?

Why isn't she town? She's had clear articulated responses and I see where she was during most of the time. Scum want her dead too.

So what do you think of Taly's last post then?

[JohnnyFarrar]

[...snip...]
Pre-edit:
Seriously - never self-

vote

hammer. I TRULY understand how frustrating it can be. I've done it before (well not hammered but voted).
Even if you have to lurk because you're frustrated it helps to shape the game and gives town info.
I really enjoyed your accesisibility as I mentioned and you were very reasonable - I just didnt' understand your change off Taly dismissing your own arguments and wanted to know why that changed onto ChriVi, and I think we could have discussed that better - as much my fault as anything.

So this was the same quote (which you quoted) where I told Netherspite to never self-vote (we didn't get along well in that game at all).
Thing is the guy self-hammered. Also he was tilting and didn't take time to blow off some steam elsewhere or just call himself a v/la or lurk or something.

@Taly did you read this part of that post you quoted?

This is a really bad argument and the reason is a PM I sent you back before joining the queue for this game regarding what I intended to do to allow myself to play more games.
Also:

We are not lynching outside of Talah/Taly after this remark.

Why?

taly is a hard tryer

Taly you should sig this

4) Can you walk me through - in more compacted and concise words - how RC and ABR are 'linked' together, and they're scum?

I'll admit I'm skimming but where did this question come from?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Your replacement will when they see the page count

[JohnnyFarrar]

Talah's fine. That wagon built up real gross. I tend to go deaf when people overuse 'OMGUS' and 'misrep' in a case, so the only vote I really liked was Taly's, until the meta quote he pulled turned out to be way less incriminating than it looked. Not really on board with any of it. We should lynch Aspy still.

[JohnnyFarrar]

I mean there's a lot of content, it's just really hard to get your bearings right now because we don't have any flips yet. I like that we have people unwilling to budge in certain reads, makes reading them interesting.

I'll warn you right now Bells and Al are gonna make you mad if you like little things like people stating their reason for voting

P-edit: I mean we're not all gonna like the lynch, I think we've established that. But Asp is not a bad lynch by any stretch and if like to cash in my 'world's towniest townie' credit for the lynch I'm most comfortable with

Double P: but why though Al?

[JohnnyFarrar]

and

I'd

like to cash in my 'world's towniest townie' credit for the lynch I'm most comfortable with

Ebwop #phonepost

[JohnnyFarrar]

@Frozen If you didn't want to lynch the people on that list you should have put them on your "won't lynch" list. He's looking for lynch possibilities, which is maybe a little scummy but also he's far from the only one trying to end this day

[JohnnyFarrar]

@Frozen If you didn't want to lynch the people on that list you should have put them on your "won't lynch" list. He's looking for lynch possibilities, which is maybe a little scummy but also he's far from the only one trying to end this day

its the inverse of "won't lynch them today's list" not "I'm willing to lynch today list"

you get what I mean? he is really trying to show herself not a suitable vote

Maybe we're getting caught up on semantics here. I'm either unwilling to lynch someone or I'm willing. Binary. When I filled out the "Won't lynch" list I (at least in my head) was saying "Everyone else is fair game"

[JohnnyFarrar]

I'm willing to lynch anyone I don't have a townread on. Different strokes, I guess.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Talah's more of a "This wagon is garbage so if he flips town I'll learn nothing" abstention

[JohnnyFarrar]

I mean in my head you're more active than he is. Also we haven't built your wagon yet, so I wouldn't know what that looks like

[JohnnyFarrar]

Nah you're good. You flipping on Wick makes me smile though

[JohnnyFarrar]

Also that hiding joke he pulled from 30 pages ago is super unlikely to come from someone who didn't have a hider pm. He quoted

someone else

too, so he'd have been planning that fake claim for a whiiiiiiiile as scum or just an astoundingly good memory, but him just being a hider (which is a bad role for scum to fake claim) is way more likely

[JohnnyFarrar]

Man

[JohnnyFarrar]

Let's do ASP instead. Also need to actually read that Taly post brb

[JohnnyFarrar]

Seriously though, we should lock the hider down to one target so the information is useful.

If he gets killed with the person being targeted, well, we lost two potential mislynches.

I see what you're saying, but him potentially confirming multiple people is worth the risk. To me.

[JohnnyFarrar]

It's a big day one, good luck

[JohnnyFarrar]

That was quick. Jeanie, did you realize what you agreed to?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Proud of you. Gimme updates on your catching up progress

[JohnnyFarrar]

Johnny, did you read my posting on the other page? meh ._. I'm not seeing a lot coming from you these past few pages.

I keep not doing that. Not for lack of trying though.

[JohnnyFarrar]

read all of Taly's posts in the last few pages. Meh.

Who's around?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Fell asleep

What's your take on Frozen / RC / Ice (Jeanne)? By the way.

Frozen has her own logic that I can't really follow. Her continued attitude toward the Wickan situation after acknowledging his probable towniness is making me want her in the lynch pool a little bit

Bells is being himself, I've never played with town Bells so I don't really know what the difference here is if any.

I'm giving Jeanie the benefit of the doubt for now as Ice's some motivation for the last 10 or so pages seemed to be ending the day SOON

[JohnnyFarrar]

^ that's what I was trying to say ...

In regards to a smaller pool

[JohnnyFarrar]

@Frozen He's town. Locking down his target will kill him. The pool gives him room to maybe live and confirm more than one person.

@Jeanie Convince me on Bells

[JohnnyFarrar]

I'm sure. Also as Titus said, he won't live to lylo regardless.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Then the no debate is just us not listening to you

[JohnnyFarrar]

Johny the main reason Titus said he won't live till lylo was because someone would counter claim him. but his role is not normal and its not guaranteed that is there a no normal role in setup or not.

I mistaking the reason?

No we're saying we lynch him before lylo

[JohnnyFarrar]

Beats me

[JohnnyFarrar]

So bad play is scummy Jean?

[JohnnyFarrar]

I'm saying it's just bad. What about any of those posts is more likely to come from scum?

[JohnnyFarrar]

I mean he treats his reads with a confidence that may be baffling, I'll give you that. I'll let someone else tell you he does that regardless of alignment

[JohnnyFarrar]

I don't think he's town particularly, but if your best scumreads are a tossup is the vote really convincing? No

[JohnnyFarrar]

Flak you should get. Not so much votes. As you just said, town can and often do play badly.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Hmmm... Let's go with this.

VOTE: Jeanne

The whole bad play vs scummy play thing is pretty terrible. Tunneling is literally all RC does, and that's the basis of the case.

You realize you're doing the same thing you're voting her for

[JohnnyFarrar]

dunno what scum pushing is, but I agree Titus is not to be trusted. Doesn't mean everything she says is wrong, though.

p-edit: Hang out with better internet people

[JohnnyFarrar]

Do you think that lynch'll happen? Is there any other lynch you'd be okay with?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Prod dodge

You posted 5 hours ago?

[JohnnyFarrar]

I can actually agree to this ^

[JohnnyFarrar]

I keep asking for explanation on the SP lynch though... Titus and Johnny haven't said anything about that. The fact of a possible agenda there makes me curious. But I'm currently townreading both of them. Titus in a volatile read, and Johnny is a more null - but still.

I keep starting a reply to this only to get distracted or give up.

Aspy is absent (Jean has more posts than him already) and every time he shows up he's here to hop on an easy target. Worth lynching.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Thoughts on a Jean lynch Titus?

[JohnnyFarrar]

But. Why. Though.

[JohnnyFarrar]

I really and truly don't subscribe to this whole "let's end the day by any means necessary" attitude that is washing over this game. If y'all want to lynch someone for no damn reason you can do it without me, but I'd like to lynch scum. If you think you're voting scum, you should tell me

why

My standards may be dropping as the day goes on but not 'fuck it lynch anybody' low

[JohnnyFarrar]

Why is Talah scum?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Because I

have

looked and don't see it. Why don't you actually try to convince me instead of wasting posts complaining about how long the game is

[JohnnyFarrar]

You've been a big help

[JohnnyFarrar]

I am no longer sure what's happening.

[JohnnyFarrar]

VOTE: Jeanne

Wooooooo

[JohnnyFarrar]

This is a pretty good argument. I can't see scum replacing out of this; they have no problems with lack of movement.

Unless they actually want to play the game. I could see frustration coming from either alignment here

[JohnnyFarrar]

I am fine with an ASP lynch. Prefer you.

Johnny and Wickan, help me here?

You and Johnny have been floating ASP for the whole game and I'm not down for that. This Jeanne lynch is another bullshit low hanging fruit "compromise lynch" that you're both pushing for again. No.

You're on town, that shit is worse

[JohnnyFarrar]

VOTE: Bells

Less enthused

[JohnnyFarrar]

who's the 5th? It's Jean Me Titus Al

Did somebody park their vote there?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Hi

[JohnnyFarrar]

Pfffft Bells if you're scum after this I can't play with you anymore, you're underhanded.

UNVOTE:

Kind of on board for anything at this point

[JohnnyFarrar]

Uh huh. So who now. Bells are you still on TalahvTaly?

[JohnnyFarrar]

VOTE: Talah

This is the answer. That Titus self vote I agree with but can't follow. Talah already claimed so fuck it.

[JohnnyFarrar]

It was quick

[JohnnyFarrar]

Neither have posted once in this madness

[JohnnyFarrar]

(wasn't gonna say anything)

[JohnnyFarrar]

If you were just gonna votepark all day I wasn't gonna keep this day going to defend you. You're not gonna guilt me into lynching Titus, she's doing too well today.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Go on

[JohnnyFarrar]

Is that implying a Bells Talah team? Vote Talah to find out~

Dunno what that last sentence means.

[JohnnyFarrar]

6

[JohnnyFarrar]

*she asked the person she was voting for "being loopy"

WHAT

[JohnnyFarrar]

I'm gonna go cry in a corner for a minute. When I get back you should go ahead and explain why you're asking for a vote to sheep instead of using your own noggin.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Now I get why Al was asking if you actually read

I was on the Bells wagon

He's pretty clearly town for that self vote

[JohnnyFarrar]

It's unclear, which is why I asked her about it. Titus isn't going to lynch Bells today either

[JohnnyFarrar]

Because he's the most scummy among our quickly shrinking lynchpool. Why is he town?

[JohnnyFarrar]

I just keep forgetting that you're unavailable til then because you keep posting...............

[JohnnyFarrar]

We could discuss pools right now

[JohnnyFarrar]

Ok pool real quick then, what was our last pool? Ice Asp who?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Was Al the last one?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Titus Jean ASP?

Townread, Scumread, neutral? That look ok?

[JohnnyFarrar]

My other townreads are Taly and Bells, would either of those be better?

p-edit: be at peace if you're town, Talah.

[JohnnyFarrar]

This game was cool once

VOTE: Jeanne

[JohnnyFarrar]

What's there to do? Bells is town. Jeanne is getting lynched today. Those are the only things I'm really sure of. Full disclosure, I'd probably be voting Titus right now if Jeanne weren't obviously the lynch.

Who else was saying I wasn't doing anything? Was it Al?

p-edit: I can't tell if Jeanne is just scum claiming or she's just fucking 12 years old.

[JohnnyFarrar]

I thought I remembered someone saying that. I don't hear that often so it stuck out in my head. w/e not invested enough to look. Unless Taly flips scum at some point.

[JohnnyFarrar]

In reality though good job killing the mood with that quick hammer Jeanne, made the whole hider thing fucking pointless and put us all at each others' throats. Solid scum play.

Let's see what Frozen thinks and then be done with this day

[JohnnyFarrar]

Surprised Jeanne didn't self hammer now I think about it.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Sigh

[JohnnyFarrar]

Scum chat

[JohnnyFarrar]

SAME from like day 1 fuck you guys

[JohnnyFarrar]

seriously though scum chat pls